Great review! Love my Hoyt Rx3 but its true we live in the golden age of bows. There is a great bow for everyone and its a great time to be a bow hunter!
I ended up going with a CT9 and have not been disappointed at all. I have a 31" draw so the CT5 was out for me. I think the main point of this video is that basically everything being made today is of extremely high quality and people should shoot a few and pick what they like.
I shot most of these bows and the SR6 was my number one by far. Could not believe the way this bow performed. Total beast of a bow. Shoots unbelievable groups at long range. First bow I’ve had that holds 8 or 9 inch groups at 100 yards.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo right not everyone has the $$$ for flagship bows year in and year out. I acquired a Bear Kuma 30 only because my local dealer sells them at a 100.00 discount. I would like to see many more sub 800.00 bows on this channel as well.
So...you've got me thinking. I just sent out some emails for bows in the $400-600 range. PSE is on board and I've got a Mission MXR ready to go. Waiting on two other brands to respond. I'm hoping to hear back from them soon, as I want to get this out ASAP.
And Bear Archery says they are on board now as well. That's three low/mid-range bows. That's enough for a shootout and I'll try to get one more as well.
Vision précise et méthodique. J'adore. Merci pour ce comparatif. Amicalement de France. (Precise and methodical vision. I just love it. Thank you for this comparison. Regards from France)
@@johnheitkamp4792 That's what I used the stability category for. But maybe I didn't make that clear enough in the video. I will try to hammer that point more in future videos.
For value you did not take into consideration that with Mathews Vertix you can easily change the draw weight but changing the mods. This can easily be performed in the field with just a screwdriver.
The Switchweight technology is interesting. I didn't think much about being able to change it in the field, as I figure most will find the weight they like best and stay there for a while. And you can adjust any bow's draw weight in the field...but you do have to back our the limbs.
I thought of this from the standpoint of being able to change draw weight depending on what one is doing or hunting. Can drop Dow for 3D. Or 50 pounds for turkey. 60 pounds for white tail and 75 pounds for elk. Do not need multiple bows at different weights.
@@Petro00D I don't disagree with you. Just not sure how many would do that, as it would be complicated to change your sight for each draw weight. Though on a sight like the Garmin Xero...
Great review! I’m curious about your stabilizer I see that you are using when shooting these bows. Any chance you can do a review on them and tell us more about them?
There’s a video up already on the Titanium Archery Products stabilizer and string stops. Not a review, exactly, as I’ve not really found a great way to review stabilizers.
I just bought a mathews vertix 3 months ago and I love it. My first high end flagship bow at 16. Looking to kill a big whitetail in 3 weeks. Love your videos.👍
Thanks for watching, Charlie. It's a nice change when you move up to the flagship bows. Hard to go back! Good luck with your hunt and let us know how it goes.
Not sure if you still have the sr6 I had oneand traded it for the realm SS because at 30 in it did not feel like it does at 29 in you should try it at 29 inch draw.
I haven't sent the SR6 back yet (Have a sight comparison I need to finish first). But I think I would have liked the SS more. The last inch of the draw is a real doozy.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo I just picked up the SR6 and the only thing I didn't care for when I tried it was letting the string back down. Nothing, nothing, nothing, why isn't it going, holy shit hold on tight. I tried the SS also and felt the same way just not as aggressive.
Great video Lucas, good choice on top bow as well. But I'm curious as to what you meant when talking about speed. You said something about Mathews draw-length penalty?
Weston is correct. All the info is in the speed video I did a little while back. Basically, the Vertix runs a half-in longer than the other bows, so it needs to get 4 to 6 fps penalty.
The used market is a good place to look. You can probably find a bow in that price range on Amazon from a Chinese company. I just haven’t shot one myself, so I can’t recommend one.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo It would be good if an Obsession rep would respond to this because of the extreme discrepancy. They need to be more accurate. Thank you for your reply, you do great work in this sport.
@@ddallgood1383 Obsession was sold to Martin Archery not too long ago. It's possible the new owners started advertising more realistic speeds. Though I seem to recall when the 2020 bows came out last fall that the numbers were a lot more tame than in 2019 and prior years. I also had an Obsession Fixation 6 that advertised 358 and it finished behind bows advertised in the 340-345 range. There's a video of that on the channel.
I always get an option to buy if I want, but they typically go back to make room for the next batch. I start getting side eyes from my wife when the number of bows gets too high.
I'm interested in knowing what Bear Archery's response was because they always claim they are hunting bows for hunters. I think you are very thorough and enjoy your review.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo I wonder why they won't allow their flagship Kuma, Kuma 30 or Kuma LD to be tested. There's a hundred bear cruzer g2 videos. Might be 5 about the divergent and 2 quality reviews of the Kuma. I guess I can do one with mine just strikes me as odd that no others exist.
I did not like the PSE evoke draw cycle. On the draw it just seemed stiff the whole draw. Yes, it was smooth but I have some PSE hybrid cammed bows that crap all over the Evokes draw cycle. I’ve also recently drew back the Drive 3B. Hated that one too. I’m going to be getting a prime CT series or a bowtech. I didn’t like the Mathews or the Hoyt. Lastly, the Mathews is just plain ugly. I can’t pet passed the look of the riser.
They’ve never loaned me one. I ask every time, but so far they’ve not wanted to participate. It’s a bummer, as I’ve enjoyed shooting them at the ATA Show.
Ugh couldn't disagree more on the vertix draw cycle. I wanted to love that bow because i love the switch weight technology and the new dovetail mount for the rest but that bow was miserable to draw, for me at least. I thought the helix was best, evoke behind that, and the realm on comfort setting was reminiscent of my reign 6.
I think the Triax draw was definitely easier, but the Vertix for me is dead smooth - if a little on the stiff side. But ultimately, it's all subjective. The Helix is crazy easy to pull back.
I agree about the triax being smoother. It seems like the guys with a bit longer draw length have enjoyed the draw cycle. Great review though as always.
Mathews or Hoyt they have proven themselves to be the top of the game year in and year out consistently but sooner or later Bowtech or Obsession maybe even Bear will rise up to the top. To me it will be Mathews only bc year in andd year out their grips have always felt the best in my hand. While others seem to fit but are putting pressure in the wrong places in my palm making it uncomfortable. Either way all major bow companies are making great bows it all depends on your personal preferences or opinions not anyone elses. For me grip is number one over everything else bc truthfully you can’t make a bow fast enough to beat a whitetail string jumping.
I'm willing to bet that most people who setup prime bows are not leveling the riser... I you level the string you are going to get vertical tears... Most of these problems are due to Primes bad documentation...
I see what you mean. I knew the cams were different sizes. I was thinking the other axis wasn't parallel. But that totally makes sense. Thanks for the heads up. I might end up with a CT series bow soon.
Getting 323fps out of my FX30 at 81lbs, 29" draw and 485gr arrow. I dont really look at chrono results because chronos have too many variables that go into place to get consistent numbers. Plus you are paying the same amount of money across the board other than hoyts carbon line. If I was paying extra for obsessions advertised speeds then that's one thing but you arnt paying any extra and even if they are off you are still getting speeds around bowtech and faster than the hoyt and mathews. Most importantly no matter what anyone says, the best thing to do is go out and shoot as many modles you can get you hand on and go with what fits YOU like a glove!
You could use some more hand movement when talking. I don't feel like you're emphasizing your words enough with them and it comes off as shallow and disingenuous.
The only reviews I trust. Great job again.
I really appreciate hearing that. Thank you for watching.
Great review! Love my Hoyt Rx3 but its true we live in the golden age of bows. There is a great bow for everyone and its a great time to be a bow hunter!
Lots of great choices out there. Just have to find the one that you like best.
I ended up going with a CT9 and have not been disappointed at all. I have a 31" draw so the CT5 was out for me. I think the main point of this video is that basically everything being made today is of extremely high quality and people should shoot a few and pick what they like.
Great job again Lucas. Always look forward to your reviews
Thank you.
I shot most of these bows and the SR6 was my number one by far. Could not believe the way this bow performed. Total beast of a bow. Shoots unbelievable groups at long range. First bow I’ve had that holds 8 or 9 inch groups at 100 yards.
I think the new Realm Series is outstanding. The Realm X was a better fit for me than the SR6. I'd really like to try the Realm SS.
Always awesome. Keep churning out the great content. One of the best on RUclips!
Thank you. Will I see you again at ATA in January?
You're pretty awesome too my man!
Agreed - Average Jack videos are always a good watch.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo I hope to be there!
@@verificacionnecessario9190 Thanks!!!
Great Review! Thank you for your honest opinion. Not an ounce of bias. Top notch work!
Love your reviews...wish you could do a midrange bow series again...
Really thought I was going to get that done, but couldn't get enough brands on board. I will try again.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo right not everyone has the $$$ for flagship bows year in and year out. I acquired a Bear Kuma 30 only because my local dealer sells them at a 100.00 discount. I would like to see many more sub 800.00 bows on this channel as well.
@@axxionman69 I don't disagree. One of our most popular videos ever was a budget-friendly shootout. I just need to get enough manufacturers on board.
So...you've got me thinking. I just sent out some emails for bows in the $400-600 range. PSE is on board and I've got a Mission MXR ready to go. Waiting on two other brands to respond. I'm hoping to hear back from them soon, as I want to get this out ASAP.
And Bear Archery says they are on board now as well. That's three low/mid-range bows. That's enough for a shootout and I'll try to get one more as well.
What a great review of all of them thanks Lucas
Thank you for watching.
Vision précise et méthodique. J'adore. Merci pour ce comparatif. Amicalement de France. (Precise and methodical vision. I just love it. Thank you for this comparison. Regards from France)
Merci d'avoir regardé la vidéo.
Bravo! Very fair analysis and entertaining video. I agree all the bows reviewed are stellar hunting bows. It is a great time to be a bowhunter.
I’m shooting the Vertix at 78# and it feels smoother than ANY of the other flagships I shot this year at 70!
Always great thoughts and content!
Thank you for watching. I appreciate the kind words.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo i know it is very sunjective but do you think you could add a category in the future on how you feel the bows hold on target?
@@johnheitkamp4792 That's what I used the stability category for. But maybe I didn't make that clear enough in the video. I will try to hammer that point more in future videos.
Thank you very much for such a thorough review!
For value you did not take into consideration that with Mathews Vertix you can easily change the draw weight but changing the mods. This can easily be performed in the field with just a screwdriver.
The Switchweight technology is interesting. I didn't think much about being able to change it in the field, as I figure most will find the weight they like best and stay there for a while. And you can adjust any bow's draw weight in the field...but you do have to back our the limbs.
I thought of this from the standpoint of being able to change draw weight depending on what one is doing or hunting. Can drop Dow for 3D. Or 50 pounds for turkey. 60 pounds for white tail and 75 pounds for elk. Do not need multiple bows at different weights.
@@Petro00D I don't disagree with you. Just not sure how many would do that, as it would be complicated to change your sight for each draw weight. Though on a sight like the Garmin Xero...
David Petroski if you up the poundage it will effect your pins in your sight at long range so I wouldn’t change it in the woods at home yea
Ones again thank you for your great review.
Great review! I’m curious about your stabilizer I see that you are using when shooting these bows. Any chance you can do a review on them and tell us more about them?
There’s a video up already on the Titanium Archery Products stabilizer and string stops. Not a review, exactly, as I’ve not really found a great way to review stabilizers.
ArcheryTalk okay thank you!
Any chance of getting a review on Mathews TX-5
I just bought a mathews vertix 3 months ago and I love it. My first high end flagship bow at 16. Looking to kill a big whitetail in 3 weeks. Love your videos.👍
Thanks for watching, Charlie. It's a nice change when you move up to the flagship bows. Hard to go back! Good luck with your hunt and let us know how it goes.
Not sure if you still have the sr6 I had oneand traded it for the realm SS because at 30 in it did not feel like it does at 29 in you should try it at 29 inch draw.
I haven't sent the SR6 back yet (Have a sight comparison I need to finish first). But I think I would have liked the SS more. The last inch of the draw is a real doozy.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo I just picked up the SR6 and the only thing I didn't care for when I tried it was letting the string back down. Nothing, nothing, nothing, why isn't it going, holy shit hold on tight. I tried the SS also and felt the same way just not as aggressive.
@@maybeno17 The Realm X had a lot less valley, so you have to stay aggressive at full draw. I generally like that feeling, as it keeps my form strong.
Love the 4k content
Great video Lucas, good choice on top bow as well. But I'm curious as to what you meant when talking about speed. You said something about Mathews draw-length penalty?
Gary Gendreau Mathews mods run a little long so it wasn’t a true even draw length. It gains a little speed with the extra draw length
Weston is correct. All the info is in the speed video I did a little while back. Basically, the Vertix runs a half-in longer than the other bows, so it needs to get 4 to 6 fps penalty.
I’m trying to get in to bow hunting maybe for deer any recommendations for it I’m younger I’m only 13 years old
Get something with lots of draw length and draw weight adjustability. Diamond Edge SB-1 is a great choice for a growing archer.
Will there be any bows that could be used for hunting that will be under $150? If so any recommendations,
The used market is a good place to look. You can probably find a bow in that price range on Amazon from a Chinese company. I just haven’t shot one myself, so I can’t recommend one.
Per Obsession the Lawless ibo is "upto 356" Not 370 as you keep saying...
It may say that now...but when the Lawless came out, it most definitely said 370.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo It would be good if an Obsession rep would respond to this because of the extreme discrepancy. They need to be more accurate. Thank you for your reply, you do great work in this sport.
@@ddallgood1383 Obsession was sold to Martin Archery not too long ago. It's possible the new owners started advertising more realistic speeds. Though I seem to recall when the 2020 bows came out last fall that the numbers were a lot more tame than in 2019 and prior years. I also had an Obsession Fixation 6 that advertised 358 and it finished behind bows advertised in the 340-345 range. There's a video of that on the channel.
When you're done testing, do you return the bows to the company?
Yes
I always get an option to buy if I want, but they typically go back to make room for the next batch. I start getting side eyes from my wife when the number of bows gets too high.
What let off was the Mathews?
85%. But the valley is pretty short, so not a lot of room to relax too much.
Don’t you think that Bear Perception deserved to be tested among these bows?
Galuh Richata they probably didn’t want to send him one
We were talking to Bear about a loaner, but we didn't end up receiving one. Hopefully next year.
Better luck next time.. keep up the good work..👍🏼👍🏼
thanks for the opinion! great video
I'm interested in knowing what Bear Archery's response was because they always claim they are hunting bows for hunters. I think you are very thorough and enjoy your review.
Bear has agreed to send us a bow for our upcoming budget bow comparison.
@@ArcheryTalkVideo I wonder why they won't allow their flagship Kuma, Kuma 30 or Kuma LD to be tested. There's a hundred bear cruzer g2 videos. Might be 5 about the divergent and 2 quality reviews of the Kuma. I guess I can do one with mine just strikes me as odd that no others exist.
I did not like the PSE evoke draw cycle. On the draw it just seemed stiff the whole draw. Yes, it was smooth but I have some PSE hybrid cammed bows that crap all over the Evokes draw cycle. I’ve also recently drew back the Drive 3B. Hated that one too.
I’m going to be getting a prime CT series or a bowtech. I didn’t like the Mathews or the Hoyt.
Lastly, the Mathews is just plain ugly. I can’t pet passed the look of the riser.
Why don’t you ever review elite bows my opinion is a awesome bow
They’ve never loaned me one. I ask every time, but so far they’ve not wanted to participate. It’s a bummer, as I’ve enjoyed shooting them at the ATA Show.
Ugh couldn't disagree more on the vertix draw cycle. I wanted to love that bow because i love the switch weight technology and the new dovetail mount for the rest but that bow was miserable to draw, for me at least. I thought the helix was best, evoke behind that, and the realm on comfort setting was reminiscent of my reign 6.
I think the Triax draw was definitely easier, but the Vertix for me is dead smooth - if a little on the stiff side. But ultimately, it's all subjective. The Helix is crazy easy to pull back.
I agree about the triax being smoother. It seems like the guys with a bit longer draw length have enjoyed the draw cycle. Great review though as always.
Mathews or Hoyt they have proven themselves to be the top of the game year in and year out consistently but sooner or later Bowtech or Obsession maybe even Bear will rise up to the top. To me it will be Mathews only bc year in andd year out their grips have always felt the best in my hand. While others seem to fit but are putting pressure in the wrong places in my palm making it uncomfortable. Either way all major bow companies are making great bows it all depends on your personal preferences or opinions not anyone elses. For me grip is number one over everything else bc truthfully you can’t make a bow fast enough to beat a whitetail string jumping.
The new Bowtech lineup is excellent. Realm X was my favorite last year
I'm willing to bet that most people who setup prime bows are not leveling the riser... I you level the string you are going to get vertical tears... Most of these problems are due to Primes bad documentation...
Have to see if my shop tried that. I tried everything and finally sent the bow back. Prime didn't tell me that either. Good advice
So you’re saying the string isn’t parallel with the riser?
@@someoneyouknow96 The top and bottom cams are different in size, so the string is indeed not parallel with the riser :)
I see what you mean. I knew the cams were different sizes. I was thinking the other axis wasn't parallel. But that totally makes sense. Thanks for the heads up. I might end up with a CT series bow soon.
Once obsession gets anywhere near their ibo I may buy one
Getting 323fps out of my FX30 at 81lbs, 29" draw and 485gr arrow. I dont really look at chrono results because chronos have too many variables that go into place to get consistent numbers. Plus you are paying the same amount of money across the board other than hoyts carbon line. If I was paying extra for obsessions advertised speeds then that's one thing but you arnt paying any extra and even if they are off you are still getting speeds around bowtech and faster than the hoyt and mathews. Most importantly no matter what anyone says, the best thing to do is go out and shoot as many modles you can get you hand on and go with what fits YOU like a glove!
Per Obsession the Lawless ibo is upto 356 not 370. Bad info..
“... as quiet as any bow I’ve ever used.”
What does that even mean?????
It means it doesn't make as much noise after the shot as other bows.
Thanks...but it's MARTIN for me
I had a Martin, but had to send it back due to a technical issue. Hopefully next year I’ll get to test one.
You could use some more hand movement when talking. I don't feel like you're emphasizing your words enough with them and it comes off as shallow and disingenuous.
viktor arzethauser I feel bad for you...hope things in your life take a turn for the better.