Seems like not enough bulk is being assigned to stuff like power, cooling, structure - all the ordinary tedious junk which (along with cost) imposes limits on our own engineering. But I suppose a dozen centuries of technological progress (and access to off-Earth unobtainium) could miniaturize stuff more than our engineers would ever believe possible.
The Eagle was my first ship ever bought, and ultimately was the biggest teacher I ever had. With more maneuverability and learning the restrictions of cargo space and jump range, I started to understand how to tinker with ships a bit more. Fiddling until hard points were properly set up was especially a big one, and learning the importance of core internal upgrades.
I was once told it would be impossible to do any ship interiors in elite dangerous as the volume of putting everything in exceeds the hull space available, and then you do this, you mad genius. Thank you.
Marvelous! Well, done, my good Sir! :D Especially since the Eagle is still my favorite ship (altough I am not using it very often; mostly for joy-riding). Never noticed how big those Crew Quarters are - I assume even bigger then in the Hauler, and I have a feeling the Hauler is half Crew Quarters, considering how little space is there for Cargo, despite being almost as big as a Viper or Adder (which outperform the Hauler optional internal-wise, even with having larger Core-Modules). I would like to see the Imperial Eagle in contrast, and how the bigger PowerPlant and Size 2 Weapon would fit in. Again, thanks for the Video - really enjoyed it! :D
I have both Hauler and Adder layouts ready - both were pretty interesting and challenging to figure out. Especially since Adder has asymmetric interior layout. Regarding imperial eagle - I don't have the layout yet, but from the looks of it - the M Hardpoint should fit quite easily, contrary to the bigger power plant.. which makes me a bit concerned it may 'break' the modular system.
Hmm, as far as I can tell the Eagle's internal design is already asymmetrically, the 2 x Class 1 Internals and the FSD are on opposite sides; as for the PowerPlant, I think on the Cobra it is on the far right (?) side, for instance, so it can become even more asymmetrical then in an Eagle. ;) About the iEagle's PowerPlant: hmm, maybe there is room for it when the Thermal Core is made smaller (or to be extended in the area where currently the luxuirous Crew-Quarters are? ;) Btw., I can not tell if you have taken into account that the Thrusters (Class 3) actually consist of the Acceleration-Thrusters, the Retro-Thrusters and the Maneuverering-Thrusters - so all of those should represent the same volume combined as a single Size 3 Compartment. Maybe you have, but it kinda looks like the two Acceleration-Thrusters use up the same amount of space twoa Size 2 Compartment would. Maybe it''s the angle... . (I wonder why Frontier desided that the Thrusters are all one Item, also they clearly are muliple ones - at least two Main-Thrusters, two Retro-Thrusteras and various Maneuvering-Thrusters - which would have made engineering them also more interesting.) Slightly off-topic, regarding both Eagles: I think the iEagle should not have been made so much less maneuverable then the original Eagle. Yes, it's faster, yes it has a larger PowerPlant and one S1 Hardpoint now is a Size 2. Then again the lack of maneuverability not only kind of negates the advantages of the largers PP and Weapons, but actually over-compensates, methinks. I'd rather have had a slightly less efficient Thermal Core on top of a minor maneuverability-loss, in contrast to the rather severe maneuverability-loss we are stuck with now. P.S.: Hauler and Adder... YES ! Don't actually fly them anymore, but I still have fond memories of them! :D
Regarding iEagle - I like your idea - the FSD and power plant could sit on each side of the cargo hatch, but slightly more to the front, so that Optional O1s can sit behind them, one per side, so that they still have access to the cargo bay. This could all probably fit like that. The only downside would be that there would be no direct access corridor between front and back of the ship, other then through the middle of O3... which would not work very well if the contents of O3 do not leave any space for people to go through. On the other hand - this being a strictly combat oriented design - probably would be acceptable. Regarding thrusters volume - are you able to point me to the source of this information? From what I seen so far, the ship hull designs do not seem follow this reasoning.
I've begun playing Elite not long Ago. I completed a few courier missions and then I bought the Eagle. Quite Happy so far with that thing. When I'm deeper in I might buy another ship, but so far I keep my trusty eagle. :D
Fantastic job. Only one thing, i would imagine that life support and sensors would be swapped out? I mean, surely it'd make more sense for sensors to be in the front, and life support in the back: Sensors in the front means they can see better, life support in the back because up there in the nose seems like an awfully exposed position for something you really don't want to get shot.
This is a sensor module - computing, processing etc. Sensor module is not a radar. Any external antenna, or even the body of the ship are used as the radar unit. (I remember Eagle from the Elite Frontier which have a dish outside of ship, that was fun to see as well as wheeled landing gear) Meanwhile it's really important to have the life support near the pilot - it should protect against any hazardous environment like air loss, cosmic radiation or sudden projectile.
The Eagle is a fighter, what's with the large crew compartment and so many cargo space? Elite Dangerous too focus on space trading could be the reason. In reality, it would utilizes more space for fuel tank, engines, hydraulic actuators, directional thrusters with the power link to fuel rail. At most, it could have just 1 small cargo space. Not to mention the required large long range sensors, communication equipment & avionics.
It's a ship, at first. So it should provide some basic, at least, comfort to pilot - place to rest, eat and release unneeded matter from the body. Also, there're possible activities like collecting cargo or escape pods, so the cargo hatch is necessary.
@@AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin ask anyone with aerospace engineering background, they'll tell you the same thing as what I mentioned earlier, you don't get that much room in a real spacecraft, look at US space shuttle Columbia, imagine if it has to carry extra fuel and fitted with larger main engines, it would not have space for cargo.
@@jayjay53313 shuttles or rockets etc are used for transporting astronauts from one point to another. They're not designed for living. Meanwhile, Eagle can be used as expedition ship, pilot can be inside for months. Care for fuel? You have an option to fill all optionals with extra fuel tanks, what's the problem?
@@AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin check the US bombers B-52 (160ft), B-1B (136ft) & Russian bomber Tu-160 (177ft) long, how much space spent on structural frame, fuel tank, avionic, engines and weapons bay. If we had technology to build spacecraft with interplanetary & interstellar travel, the eagle will have bed bunks for crew, not luxurious bedroom & lounge coz there won't be much space left after fitting all the necessities. There might be android companion & minimal medical bay, bathroom, toilets for fighter the size of eagle, sidewinder, cobra, viper. Only larger transport & corvette class have additional space but still it won't be luxurious nor that big.
How come the 4t fuel tanks are so large in proportion to the ship? Wouldn't they be smaller and make room for larger living quarters? I am loving these videos though, this is honestly incredible!
Assuming the fuel is liquid hydrogen, this is one the least dense liquids with density of only 70.8kg/cubic meter. 4 tonnes therefore requires a lot of volume.
@@JohnUs300 Ah, I thought there was a good reason for it. I'm hoping Fdev puts as much attention to detail and are as thorough as you have been. If not, they should just hire you. :)
I do not want to belittle your amazing work, but are not the crew quarters bit too...big? I know ships in Elite are much bigger then they appear, but still, Eagle is a one seat fighter. I would expect a single bunk and toilet, not a generous apartment
Context helps here. It’s not a SLF. It has an FSD that can get you across the galaxy. These ships are already insanely cramped for things you’re supposed to be living out of. It’s clear that CMDRs in game/lore are meant to own one ship at a time, taking everything with them on their journey. It also has a cargo bay that massive in comparison to the ship as a whole, but we understand and accept why. It’s no different with the living space.
@@sterlingroberts6240 I was just about to ask the same question but you're certainly correct. I keep forgetting that these are more like living quarters than sleeper berths on tractor-trailers.
Believe me I tried to fit them in the nose, there just isn't enough room. Besides I like to think that sensors are the signal processing hardware, which is connected to the external antennas. Therefore it doesn't matter where this signal processing unit is located.
Let me answer it this way - if you haven't done that already - you have to watch the Stargate SG1 series. When you watch exactly 100 episodes, you will come across this gem that explains everything: ruclips.net/video/p6fgZP7jP4o/видео.htmlm3s
Those are thermal cores as well. They extend to expose more heat radiation surfaces as the ship heats up. But why do they spin? My theory is that they could possibly double as coolant pumps if the ship is liquid-cooled.
No, this is just a concept. However it is known that all the pilotable ships in Elite Dangerous are designed with interiors and module placement in mind to make features like spacewalk possible in the future updates.
My only problem with this is there are only 2 landing gear. What keeps the front from nosing down during a landing. All it would take would be 1 more landing gear toward the front on the centerline to correct this. Other than that, this looks to be about in line of FD's design vision. They want to build more than just a cockpit simulator. Otherwise there wouldn't be doors when you look around or get out of your seat and turn around when using VR.
@@JohnUs300 The front landing gear of a lot of ships does double duty as the entry ramp. But they always have landing pads on them. Even the Eagle does, I believe. My question remains, if the landing gear is extended and the ramp is not, what keeps the ship from nosing down. I'm talking about on the Eagle. The entry ramp should have a landing pad and should automatically extend when the gear is lowered.
All the ships in ED are a lot bigger than they first appear
Seems like not enough bulk is being assigned to stuff like power, cooling, structure - all the ordinary tedious junk which (along with cost) imposes limits on our own engineering.
But I suppose a dozen centuries of technological progress (and access to off-Earth unobtainium) could miniaturize stuff more than our engineers would ever believe possible.
I just meant in relation to the pilot. The cockpits are deceptive
@@thefoxamongwolves9843 Until you try VR. :)
@@pwnmeisterageand I don’t know about you, but having a nice living space when you live in space can be quite nice
Now do the Imperial Eagle, only difference is the wireframe and the complimentary smell of debauchery.
imagine the crew quarters of the imperial omfg
Hey, douchey led lines make every 10% more powerful and 200% cooler
Hands down best uploads for ED. Always a pleasure to watch.
Is nobody going to mention how the music in this guy’s videos is ABSOLUTE FIRE! Hope you get hired by f dev to design ship interiors
The Eagle was my first ship ever bought, and ultimately was the biggest teacher I ever had. With more maneuverability and learning the restrictions of cargo space and jump range, I started to understand how to tinker with ships a bit more. Fiddling until hard points were properly set up was especially a big one, and learning the importance of core internal upgrades.
Us explorers would love to see an AspX! But regardless, this was an absolute joy!
Here's something for you - not my work: ruclips.net/video/xRtgQAqSbrw/видео.html
I'm gonna do my version of AspX soon too.
I love the aesthetic of the Eagle, I only wish it were more viable. Beautiful job! These are relaxing to watch :D
It still holds up in combat if you engineer the hell out of it! Mine has taken down Dangerous+ level Pythons, FDLs and Anacondas
I was once told it would be impossible to do any ship interiors in elite dangerous as the volume of putting everything in exceeds the hull space available, and then you do this, you mad genius. Thank you.
Another fantastic job, looking forward to the next one.
This is incredible. I really hope you plan to do more of these, ship internals are one of my biggest fascinations with Elite.
Nice job. These are brilliant o7
Brilliant job. Reminds me of looking through those fantastic cutaway books in my youth. This is superb! :)
Absolutely fantastic. Love your work!
This is cool as hell. I can’t wait to see more!
This is my favorite ship so far.
Ngl, the music in these videos is a bop
Marvelous! Well, done, my good Sir! :D
Especially since the Eagle is still my favorite ship (altough I am not using it very often; mostly for joy-riding).
Never noticed how big those Crew Quarters are - I assume even bigger then in the Hauler, and I have a feeling the Hauler is half Crew Quarters, considering how little space is there for Cargo, despite being almost as big as a Viper or Adder (which outperform the Hauler optional internal-wise, even with having larger Core-Modules).
I would like to see the Imperial Eagle in contrast, and how the bigger PowerPlant and Size 2 Weapon would fit in.
Again, thanks for the Video - really enjoyed it! :D
I have both Hauler and Adder layouts ready - both were pretty interesting and challenging to figure out. Especially since Adder has asymmetric interior layout.
Regarding imperial eagle - I don't have the layout yet, but from the looks of it - the M Hardpoint should fit quite easily, contrary to the bigger power plant.. which makes me a bit concerned it may 'break' the modular system.
Hmm, as far as I can tell the Eagle's internal design is already asymmetrically, the 2 x Class 1 Internals and the FSD are on opposite sides; as for the PowerPlant, I think on the Cobra it is on the far right (?) side, for instance, so it can become even more asymmetrical then in an Eagle. ;)
About the iEagle's PowerPlant: hmm, maybe there is room for it when the Thermal Core is made smaller (or to be extended in the area where currently the luxuirous Crew-Quarters are? ;)
Btw., I can not tell if you have taken into account that the Thrusters (Class 3) actually consist of the Acceleration-Thrusters, the Retro-Thrusters and the Maneuverering-Thrusters - so all of those should represent the same volume combined as a single Size 3 Compartment.
Maybe you have, but it kinda looks like the two Acceleration-Thrusters use up the same amount of space twoa Size 2 Compartment would. Maybe it''s the angle... .
(I wonder why Frontier desided that the Thrusters are all one Item, also they clearly are muliple ones - at least two Main-Thrusters, two Retro-Thrusteras and various Maneuvering-Thrusters - which would have made engineering them also more interesting.)
Slightly off-topic, regarding both Eagles:
I think the iEagle should not have been made so much less maneuverable then the original Eagle.
Yes, it's faster, yes it has a larger PowerPlant and one S1 Hardpoint now is a Size 2.
Then again the lack of maneuverability not only kind of negates the advantages of the largers PP and Weapons, but actually over-compensates, methinks.
I'd rather have had a slightly less efficient Thermal Core on top of a minor maneuverability-loss, in contrast to the rather severe maneuverability-loss we are stuck with now.
P.S.: Hauler and Adder... YES ! Don't actually fly them anymore, but I still have fond memories of them! :D
Regarding iEagle - I like your idea - the FSD and power plant could sit on each side of the cargo hatch, but slightly more to the front, so that Optional O1s can sit behind them, one per side, so that they still have access to the cargo bay. This could all probably fit like that. The only downside would be that there would be no direct access corridor between front and back of the ship, other then through the middle of O3... which would not work very well if the contents of O3 do not leave any space for people to go through. On the other hand - this being a strictly combat oriented design - probably would be acceptable.
Regarding thrusters volume - are you able to point me to the source of this information? From what I seen so far, the ship hull designs do not seem follow this reasoning.
I've begun playing Elite not long Ago. I completed a few courier missions and then I bought the Eagle. Quite Happy so far with that thing.
When I'm deeper in I might buy another ship, but so far I keep my trusty eagle. :D
Fantastic job.
Only one thing, i would imagine that life support and sensors would be swapped out?
I mean, surely it'd make more sense for sensors to be in the front, and life support in the back: Sensors in the front means they can see better, life support in the back because up there in the nose seems like an awfully exposed position for something you really don't want to get shot.
This is a sensor module - computing, processing etc. Sensor module is not a radar. Any external antenna, or even the body of the ship are used as the radar unit. (I remember Eagle from the Elite Frontier which have a dish outside of ship, that was fun to see as well as wheeled landing gear)
Meanwhile it's really important to have the life support near the pilot - it should protect against any hazardous environment like air loss, cosmic radiation or sudden projectile.
Can someone please give this guy the ED IP rights and 10 million dollars + a crew so he can fix this bloody game?
Lol, thanks! Coincidentally I also happen to be a software developer :P
Excellent series! Keep making these man 👍
Excellent. More please.
Fantastic work. Thank you.
Приветствую Вас автор. Хорошая работа. Когда же походим внутри. Успехов вам и добра
:O we need a 3D finalised eagle like the Sidewinders :O was so epic and realisict :O we ewant moooore!
Woot, I'm the 188th up vote with NO down votes yet!
Usually there's at least one sourpuss that thinks everything is shit.
Amazing! Great job!
Good video, love the music :)
"Stripped down only" upgrades leave you like:
Great job can't wait for Anaconda
Brilliant, please do more.
Хорошая работа продолжай !
Wouldn't the cargo hatch be link with the quarters for multi exit access?
Nice job! Liked and subscribed. Please work on Anaconda
The Eagle is a fighter, what's with the large crew compartment and so many cargo space? Elite Dangerous too focus on space trading could be the reason. In reality, it would utilizes more space for fuel tank, engines, hydraulic actuators, directional thrusters with the power link to fuel rail. At most, it could have just 1 small cargo space. Not to mention the required large long range sensors, communication equipment & avionics.
It's a ship, at first. So it should provide some basic, at least, comfort to pilot - place to rest, eat and release unneeded matter from the body. Also, there're possible activities like collecting cargo or escape pods, so the cargo hatch is necessary.
@@AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin ask anyone with aerospace engineering background, they'll tell you the same thing as what I mentioned earlier, you don't get that much room in a real spacecraft, look at US space shuttle Columbia, imagine if it has to carry extra fuel and fitted with larger main engines, it would not have space for cargo.
@@jayjay53313 shuttles or rockets etc are used for transporting astronauts from one point to another. They're not designed for living. Meanwhile, Eagle can be used as expedition ship, pilot can be inside for months. Care for fuel? You have an option to fill all optionals with extra fuel tanks, what's the problem?
@@AnotherOne-Retro-Paladin check the US bombers B-52 (160ft), B-1B (136ft) & Russian bomber Tu-160 (177ft) long, how much space spent on structural frame, fuel tank, avionic, engines and weapons bay. If we had technology to build spacecraft with interplanetary & interstellar travel, the eagle will have bed bunks for crew, not luxurious bedroom & lounge coz there won't be much space left after fitting all the necessities. There might be android companion & minimal medical bay, bathroom, toilets for fighter the size of eagle, sidewinder, cobra, viper. Only larger transport & corvette class have additional space but still it won't be luxurious nor that big.
How come the 4t fuel tanks are so large in proportion to the ship? Wouldn't they be smaller and make room for larger living quarters? I am loving these videos though, this is honestly incredible!
Assuming the fuel is liquid hydrogen, this is one the least dense liquids with density of only 70.8kg/cubic meter. 4 tonnes therefore requires a lot of volume.
@@JohnUs300 Ah, I thought there was a good reason for it. I'm hoping Fdev puts as much attention to detail and are as thorough as you have been. If not, they should just hire you. :)
Great job !
wow.. just wow.
Would have put live support back in area where upper hard point is...... Otherwise great!
i only take one issue with this. the Eagle has a fold out heat sink behind the dorsal hard point and you seem to have filled it with power plant.
Maybe the powerplant has a direct heat vent to the outside - the cooling doesn't require much space.
Hey vsauce, michael here
I do not want to belittle your amazing work, but are not the crew quarters bit too...big? I know ships in Elite are much bigger then they appear, but still, Eagle is a one seat fighter. I would expect a single bunk and toilet, not a generous apartment
Context helps here. It’s not a SLF. It has an FSD that can get you across the galaxy. These ships are already insanely cramped for things you’re supposed to be living out of. It’s clear that CMDRs in game/lore are meant to own one ship at a time, taking everything with them on their journey. It also has a cargo bay that massive in comparison to the ship as a whole, but we understand and accept why. It’s no different with the living space.
@@sterlingroberts6240 I was just about to ask the same question but you're certainly correct. I keep forgetting that these are more like living quarters than sleeper berths on tractor-trailers.
Please do Krait next...
Is there any way I can get your model file? I needs it so I can make this as a model
I thought Eagle as size of a fighter jet aircraft.
Danm I was so wrong.
very nice, but i think sensors usually go in the nose of the craft. at least it does for modern aircraft.
Believe me I tried to fit them in the nose, there just isn't enough room. Besides I like to think that sensors are the signal processing hardware, which is connected to the external antennas. Therefore it doesn't matter where this signal processing unit is located.
But the real question; what the hell are the two spinning parts underneath?
Let me answer it this way - if you haven't done that already - you have to watch the Stargate SG1 series. When you watch exactly 100 episodes, you will come across this gem that explains everything:
ruclips.net/video/p6fgZP7jP4o/видео.htmlm3s
Those are thermal cores as well. They extend to expose more heat radiation surfaces as the ship heats up. But why do they spin? My theory is that they could possibly double as coolant pumps if the ship is liquid-cooled.
@@LordGrandKaiser or fans for atmospheric flight
You missed a few thermal cores, but otherwise great
A bit late I'm sure but are the modules in the same place as they are ingame when targeting specific modules?
No, this is just a concept.
However it is known that all the pilotable ships in Elite Dangerous are designed with interiors and module placement in mind to make features like spacewalk possible in the future updates.
BUT COBRA? also Conda
now we all know why these ships had to be so big(ish)
I thought Eagle was a size of a fighter jet aircraft.
Danm I was so wrong
Well, according to the Frontier, the cobra Mk. 3 is the size of an F-14...
My only problem with this is there are only 2 landing gear. What keeps the front from nosing down during a landing. All it would take would be 1 more landing gear toward the front on the centerline to correct this. Other than that, this looks to be about in line of FD's design vision. They want to build more than just a cockpit simulator. Otherwise there wouldn't be doors when you look around or get out of your seat and turn around when using VR.
have you ever seen the eagle in the game? or googled for a screenshot? The front ramp doubles up as front landing gear. how can you not know this?
@@JohnUs300 The front landing gear of a lot of ships does double duty as the entry ramp. But they always have landing pads on them. Even the Eagle does, I believe. My question remains, if the landing gear is extended and the ramp is not, what keeps the ship from nosing down. I'm talking about on the Eagle. The entry ramp should have a landing pad and should automatically extend when the gear is lowered.
This comment hasn't aged well
@obsidianant
Vsauce
Well done!