Had a few comments complaining about the long intro and so I just want to remind you there are timestamps! I have them there for a reason, you can skip it with a simple click :D
This video is such crucial information! We came out as nonbinary transgender in our 50s and began HRT. But we had to work through so much transmedicalist chaff to accept our identity. 🌈💜🥚🏳️⚧️
Moe, you clearly put a lot of time into this project, you feel very strong about it, and you have some strong technical skills, as well. Furthermore, I have no desire - nor do I think I would be able - to stand in the way of you exploring your gender. Having said that, I'm sorry to have to add that I found this content to be - at best - "uninformed." I will give you the benefit of the doubt that this is as far as it goes (at least consciously). Only having the space of a YT comment, and having already arrived in the third paragraph, let me skip to the core of my disappointment: the "body of science" to which you refer is a single peer-reviewed study which does not make even one mention of trans* (anything), nor reference to the BSTc. Meanwhile, there are multiple studies in the most prestigious journals which support the idea that brains show dimorphism with regard to gender identity - it is a neuroanatomically-based phenomenon. While many things you say I would agree with, these camps you seem to want to put people into of "transmedicalist" and "people who agree with Moe's correct view of gender" are - ironically - something which seems to me to be its own binary. Yet here I am, and I think I would disagree with both. Again, TY for sharing your art. Your animations, music, editing, and presentation are highly skilled.
off topic, but you mentioned conversion therapy for like one second in this video and just wanted to say that Canada (where im from) just made conversion therapy illegal so thats very cool and fun.
Lol so you can't voluntarily seek it if you want it. 🤣 why would it matter? you can't be converted out of something thats inherent right? But if it's all on a spectrum and can be fluid then it's not really inherent right?
I love this take on gender. As a fellow non-binary person with dysphoria, I can confirm that the truscum position is superficially understandable until you reach the part where they start dismissing, hurting, and putting down people who don’t experience gender the same way they do. I get the need to pursue surgeries and treatments to make my body align with what I know it should be, but that doesn’t make me a better or more valid trans person than someone who only changes their name or pronouns or clothes or styling or whatever to get to a gender place that feels good/better/acceptable/livable to them whatever that is.
As far as I was concerned, all that transmedicalism was was the belief that one needs to have experienced gender dysphoria in order to be trans. None of this invalidating people shit, or saying that you NEED to transition fully. Like, I called myself transmedicalist because I believed that being trans was an obvious result of having gender dysphoria. People take everything too far, I swear.
@@Nakia11798 Except the medical community agrees, by and large, that gender dysphoria is not needed to be transgender. Moe talks about it at about the 48 minute mark. The belief that dysphoria is necessary is in itself invalidating, and is what leads to all the toxicity put out by transmeds. Watch the video you're commenting on before trying to whitewash the ideology you've bought into.
@@jubbine I'm asking this as a genuine question. Woudln't a lack of gender dysphoria mean that were someone to transition, they WOULD develop gender dysphoria?
@@fabplays6559 Not necessarily. It depends on the person, and what you mean by transition. Some people feel neutral about presenting as the gender they were assigned at birth, but feel happy presenting as whatever gender they actually are. There's also more to transitioning than medical procedures, so they could transition in other ways and find what feels right for them before they even consider hormones or surgery. Also, not every trans person needs to transition medically to be happy, even if they are dysphoric. That's obviously not true for everyone, and those who do want to medically transition should be able to, but seeking those things should not be a prerequisite for being seen as a "valid" trans person.
@@makeshift2105 I was willing to answer your questions politely until you added the last part. You are reading my comments in incredibly bad faith, and I think if you thought about it more you'd realize that what you said doesn't make one iota of sense. You deeply misunderstand conservative rhetoric if you think any of what I said reflects it. If you actually want to talk, try asking again without doing the mental gymnastics. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time. Have a nice day.
this video is really calling me out lol Im a trans guy, and i’ve been a sort of transmedicalist (like thinking you need dysphoria to be trans) and i need to accept that it’s way more complicated than i thought.
Even when I was conflicted about whether having dysphoria was a prerequisite to being trans, I still respected people who said they didn't experience it. I never understood why people tried to gatekeep and claim their experiences as more valid than anyone else's. I also mostly just wasn't sure it was possible to know you're a different gender without knowing you feel better one way and therefore worse the other way, which to me would be considered dysphoria, I never really believed it had to be severe or always involve physical dysphoria so I don't think I would've met the requirements of most transmeds anyway
Yeah, as someone trying to be a writer including LGBTQA+ stuff, watching this made me realise how I was describing being trans within the language of the story kind of fell into transmedicalisum.
I always pause to read everything, so it always takes my ADHD ass around twice as long to watch videos. So I definitely appreciated, _“Mum, I’m pregnant and I’m keeping the baby.”_ Thanks for that.
i feel like the feeling of being trans is like the feeling of love, nobody can specify it, we only can describe certain parts of it, everybody's definition is different
Typing a comment because chat has a character limit. I think that people don't really try to understand that being trans has both good and bad aspects. It's hard to find people who actually recognize the beautiful parts and the terrible parts, and their coexistence. So many trans spaces seem to be one or the other. I see people get shit on for enjoying their transness from once camp, and from the other people get shit on for being dysphoric. It's hard to find a space where people recognize both.
Yeah, i think you have hit the nail on the head there is two extremes but not really a middle ground. But it does seem like more of that “blame” i guess for lack of a better term is placed on trans meds, but ive seen plenty of people insult transmeds for just wanting to be stealth or pushing the narrative that if you want this its because your ashamed ect. I think for the post part a lot of trans discourse simply comes down to the fact that aside from the fact we are trans we dont have anything else is common, its not like say i know this isnt the best example but christians like most christians are going to hold similar values, but trans people cant agree on weither asking pronouns or not is a good idea because we have such vastly different values. As much as the discourse surrounding transmeds vs tucutes or whatever is obviously heavily detrimental i dont think its actually that suprissing that we then split into sub groups that define our values/wants better.
I agree with this, there should be space and support for both. Every trans experience is different, which is important for people on both "sides" to understand.. Pre-transition, I was extremely dysphoric and negative about being trans all the time. I honestly though it was a curse and I would kill to be cis. I dealt with a lot of discrimination and hate at school, work, home, and the doctors office. After transition, now, I'm so much more happy with my life. I love being trans and I celebrate my transness. Now, I'm of the mindset that most of the negatives that come from being trans come from the outside - things like discrimination, transphobia, violence, etc. In a vacuum, one of the only "bad" things about being trans is dysphoria (if you have it). And that can be helped with transition, a strong support system, etc, if you want to. That was a huge realization for me, and when I started being able to love myself and my transness, when I realized my pain would not be forever, and that those outside factors that make trans being so hard is not on me. I don't have to hate myself because other people do, and I can start loving myself out of spite. Finding community with other trans people of all experiences was also important for me. I really think the keys to getting out of that negative headspace and into loving yourself is time, finding the right people and place, and getting the support/care you need, medical or otherwise. I think we should support those going through that, and both "sides" should be respectful and compassionate for the other, without invalidating each other. I put "sides" in quotes because it's not just two groups who disagree, it's a range of experiences. I both love myself and my transness, but am stealth outside of my friend group for safety reasons. Life is not so simple. Note: these are just my experiences. Of course people will experience and view things differently, and it is not that easy - this change in mindset took my around 5 years and lots of therapy.
@Kraus von Grat Because gender and sex are different things and trans people understand that even if our gender is valid, we’re still different from cis people of our gender in some ways
@@andreadamon2197 if gender and sex are different, why are transGENDER individuals in female sex segregated sports? I keep hearing that gender and sex are different but they are constantly conflated in language and in life on your side of the argument.
You're back! I don't know if you'll read this but you really helped me come to terms with feeling valid as a fellow nonbinary person who doesn't want to undergo certain elements of medical transition. Can't wait to see you debunk transmeds Moe, it's a mentality that held me back for a long time :^) ❤️
@@CopsHateMoe I’m not sure if anyone will see this but these are just my thoughts. I don’t think Moe is entirely correct on the subject despite the amount of effort put into the video. I am a male identifying trans person who does not seek medical transition…however I do have gender dysphoria and I think every trans person experiences gender dysphoria just on varying degrees…much like any other strong and valid emotions, depression/happiness and such… and no, I don’t think it’s “pathetic” to feel that social dysphoria is enough to be gender dysphoria…being called “she” might not hurt too much once but over time it can cause plenty of distress…(I’m sure you’d understand that) and compering your any sense of self to toast as a metaphor really isn’t the best way to describe things, it does make it sound like a trend. I don’t mean any harm by this, I guess everyone’s inner truth and experience is going to be different and no one has the right to dictate it. Like you said about transmeds. (Though the very same could easily be said right back at you) Just food for thought. I will agree that the pressure and must to fully transition and reach cis standards is toxic though.
@@astrwolf5507 You individually don’t have to get it for it to make sense. I’m saying that gender dysphoria effects all trans people, regardless if they think so or not. Gender dysphoria ranges. You need that disconnect from your birth sex in order to question if you’re trans in the first place. That’s dysphoria.
moe! this couldn’t come at a better time as someone who fell down the transmed pipeline and is still unlearning transphobic things. learning that i am trans enough has been the hardest thing and roadblock to accepting myself and what my transition will look like for me. thank you for being a voice with empathy, humor, and resilience. your videos inspire me to be compassionate. i can’t thank you enough for the thought and work you do and have done. thank you!
If you identify as a gender you weren't assigned at birth, congratch fam, you're 100% verified trans enough. Gender is your experience of that aspect of yourself.
@@indonesianaspie5279 "Other people are suffering in a way that *I* (subjectively) think is worse, therefore your suffering is lesser and invalid" Take your transphobic ass-backwards logic somewhere else.
@@indonesianaspie5279 advocating for an oppressed minority group doesn't seem very self-centred I must say 🤔 plus, trans rights aren't an issue in only "western countries". As well as homelessness being very prevalent amongst trans people because of their lack of rights and acceptance towards them! So yeah I agree, homelessness is definitely an issue. Which is why fighting for trans rights, amongst other things, is important! ❤️
love this video. ive identified exclusively as a transgender man for coming on 5 years now, and i do experience a level of dysphoria, but ive always felt like i wasnt trans enough because i didn't really feel like hormone therapy was right for me. over the past few yrs i have really learned to accept that not all trans people are the same, and that i dont need to take hormones to be trans! gender is beautiful and being transgender is awesome no matter what route you take
if you say you are trans you are trans. nuff said. you don't need anyone else's permission or validation to be trans, nonbinary, or whatever else gender identity you feel at home with. i am still struggling with my path - i do not know what medical procedures i will undergo, if any.... so i know what you've felt. i'm still insecure. but i know i shouldn't be.....
@@transsexual_void_fairy I'm sure you know this, just looking at the comments here, but you're not alone. You're not alone in your uncertainty, your insecurity, nor in your self perception. Hoping this doesn't come off preachy or condescending, cuz these are words I say to myself pretty often too: You are your home. Your body and your mind are the ways you connect with the world. They belong to you and nobody else. Your labels should serve you, not the other way around. Sending good vibes
As a genderfluid asian person I actually exclaimed “Yeah!!” When the White supremacy and transmedicalism title card showed up. I take gender inspiration from asian sources such as anime (Zhongli is hella gender), which is seen as more fem in comparison to white culture. For example, many anime have pretty boys with long hair, long eyelashes and wear earrings. I find transmedicalists to be completely ignorant of non-white cultures.
i felt that so hard! im native (mohave, navajo, chemehuevi) and transmed rhetoric really does hinge on a suuuper white view of gender. looking back on my first few years being out i cringe at how heavily i was trying to fit into those white standards of "masculine". im finally growing my hair out like i shouldve always been doing, escaping transmedicalism is wicked liberating also fun fact, in hamakhav, the mohave language, our word for white people is hayikuy pronounced hai-kooie just wanted to share that :^D
Black transmasc here, I am still not entirely sure what masculinity truly means to me. I just know whatever it is, it is miles closer to my sense of identity and expression than femininity and female gender roles ever were, and from a dysphoric standpoint the aspects of my body that made doctors categorise me as "female" make absolutely no sense to me and I don't want them. Having felt unsafe around many cis men, however, I would like to become someone other people assigned female at birth as well as trans femmes and trans women feel safe around. That is the one thing I know for sure.
to get this out the way, I'm a white central european with an interest in history and specifically history of fashion,, people like so are on top of that also generally ignorant to "their own" eurocentric culture, by choosing not to take into account what nowadays they perceive as feminine used to be a masculine thing "before the women started stealing it for themselves", I hope I'm not coming across as speaking over you, but rather adding to your argument, underlining the bigotry of people like such. in short: they big succ.
@@tomokunokuno6456 but it is? like how my culture says that long hair isnt masculine or feminine while eurocentric beauty standards say long hair is feminine, cultures have varying views of gender roles and what is acceptable presentation
I used to be transmed after watch a certain reaction creator. Watching him made me feel invalid for not wanting to medically transition via T due to me not wanting any negative effects on my singing voice. I actually became more depressed and experience more serious dysphoria. But over quarantine, i really reflected on myself and realized i became the very thing i swore to destroy, a bigot. Since then i am happily a Demiboy using he/they pronouns, and am striving to be more inclusive in my life. Transmedicalism can be unlearned, and it takes time and willpower. If you want to unlearn it, you can.
@@ArsGratiaArtis792 Which is ironic, because they were originally used to make everything easier. Yet, while Latin does not have pronouns, they gender everything else, which makes the matter even worse. I'm guessing languages that only use one pronoun for everything cause the least troubles, actually.
@@harveyhaslostit Right, language is the problem. Unfortunately, creating a new language is not going to fly by if you try now, especially when economies are struggling now since the pandemic is still going on. I myself am struggling economically, and someone's pronouns are the last thing I need to give importance to.
@@notfunny1410 I mean, white supremacy affects us all. Trans people have existed for a very very long time, and 3rd gender identities in indigenous cultures for decades. When white people colonized those regions, things like those genders and homosexuality where ruled out "in the name of God". English isn't also the only language, and some languages have multiple pronouns to refer to a person, or just a singular one to refer to person. It's not big news that pronoun debates have been very euro centric.
@@spicyboi8150 suuuure blame the white man for everything. It's all his fault Or do you think non cis straight white men can never be homophobic, transphobic, racist etc ?
19:55 something REALLY interesting here is that some studies have shown that certain autoimmunine disorders associated more with women specifically occur most frequently in WOMEN. Thats right. Not afab people, not people with typical female hormone levels, but SPECIFICALLY people who identify as women regardless of whether theyre on hrt or not.
@@Ari_C cant remember any specific disorders off the top of my head this applies to. SciShow did an episode on it tho and im pretty sure they linked a few studies! And i wonder too. I know fibromyalgia presents differently based on testosterone levels and studies on trans fibro patients showed that hrt had a significant impact on pain levels from it, and recent studies have shown it may be an autoimmune disorder. So it seems like it depends a lot on the specific condition too
I would have loved to have used puberty blockers. But I never knew that was a choice! I didn't know what it meant to be transgender and most importantly how that related with my gender identity. I only found myself recently after having gone through puberty that, oh shit, I hate my body and I need to take hormones. If only I had been educated as a child about LGBT identities, if I had had someone there for me, if I hadn't felt like an outcast my entire life, then maybe I would be happier now. And what upsets me is how straight people see "LGBT education for kids" damaging. Oh no, they're making the children gay! 😐 Richard, shut tf up please.
I'm only going on Testosterone in May at the age of 31 and I was denied puberty blockers (which I was supposed to get because all major trademarks of puberty set in at 9 for me) because "black 'girls' mature faster". I firmly believe that we can get those lost years back, though. I wouldn't have been able to safely transition in an environment that constantly gaslit me about my experiences and kept me small. So maybe, just maybe there was one good thing about me transitioning later in life. I also had ample time to unpack internalised misogyny and racism I struggled with as a result of toxic family. Yeah, I sometimes envy people who transition as teenagers and get on hormones sooner because the second puberty will likely have a stronger impact on their bodies. But my way is okay too. All that matters is happiness, no matter when.
I’m almost crying watching this. When I was younger, this would have helped me so much. I have been searching the internet for a smart and empathetic look at trans people, and the history of trans peeps. We need people to do these sort of videos/pools of info, as guides for younger (or older) folks, which give good and up to date information, based on compassion and not hate. Thank you moooe (no pressure for the rest of this series, I don’t mean to stress anyone out) ❤️ PS It’s also so great to see pretty much all of my fave youtubers just hangin out in the background of the video at the start.
Yay Moe you are back! You probably won’t see this, but I just wanted t let you know that you have helped me be a little less afraid of questioning my gender and while I’m not out to any one in real life, I can now say to myself that I am gender non conforming (non binary?) and definitely have chest dysphoria. Thank you so much and looking forward to the new video! I hope you are doing well! ~ A they/them (Hugo?)
i LOVE long video essays like this. it always feels like they’re full-on documentaries and not just video essays. SO MUCH EFFORT went into this video and you CAN TELL. plus this is also SUCH an important video. i’ve always been on the outside edges of “online trans discourse” because interacting with people is terrifying, so realizing my gender identity at 14-16 was absolutely terrifying with how many transmeds were pushing their ideas online, especially when it comes to nonbinary people (especially afab ones) and the brain sex arguments. but watching the tide change over the past year has been amazing and such a confidence boost that makes me (and maybe other people idk) feel more confident in my identity as transgender & nonbinary. plus seeing more positive representation in creators like you have definitely really helped too (also learning you edited this on iMovie in the premiere chat?? that’s amazing. like editing and the whole process of piecing video together is one of my favorite things and learning that something that feels a lot of complex like this like the animations in the video? i’m awestruck. you’re too powerful.)
The euphoria can't exist without dysphoria argument can be easily debunked Like, I utterly love trains and get euphoric when I see them But I don't get dysphoric over the existance of other modes of transport Which I feel like is a similar argument as "you can't be happy with a gender if you haven't been utterly sad over you assigned gender at birth"
@@sincerelyzee521 Euphoria: an extremely strong feeling of happiness and excitement that usually lasts only a short time. -Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary A person can definitely get euphoric over trains, look at Sheldon Cooper.
Euphoria can't exist without dysphoria though. That's a pretty bad comparison. Realistically, you feel happy when you see trains, but you'd feel sad when your dog dies. They don't have to be related concepts. Example. I feel happy about my feminine hair and clothes. I feel bad about my feminine body. My stylistic choices are very unrelated to my body.
So proud of you, christ Seven months working on a video, and doing all of the animations and research and even the background music? And it's such an incredibly thorough video, too, with some really great takes on things that I think people tend to overlook, like the relationship between gender and cultural identity and how that's been sort of tossed out the window for some folks. It's a very good video
I will say i do think it would help if it came from someone already respected by transmeds, like the way transphobic cis people are way more likely to listen to a pro trans cis person than a trans person because they already have respect. And while a lot of the older trans med youtubers who perpetuated this stuff have changed and no longer support it, it probably would mean more to some people coming from them.
Discourse on highly debated and controversial topics should never really end considering there is so much to unpack about gender and, as this video mentions, there are so many ways one could understand gender. Because of this, I honestly encourage more discussion, but of course up-to-date, factual discussion. Certain transmedicalist views are factually incorrect, however some of the points they make are logical and fair, being transgender is still a mental condition or divergence of the majority, so it should be analysized and treated as such rather then allowing things like “chaosgender” to be legitimized. For me, transgenderism isn’t a community you can just join in on and enjoy, it is a condition you have no control over that psychologically effects your life, sometimes to the extent of needing surgeries and hormone intervention. that is serious stuff knowing it can make an individual infertile. Therefore it is a serious discussion that needs discourse from all perspectives.
I am so extremely glad I got out of the transmedicalist mindset I had in 2014-17 I was so toxic and hated myself and took it out in other trans people. Its awful. Since getting away from that mindset I am happy to say I now identify as trans masculine non-binary and am closer now to being who I am than ever before.
Your videos (among other things) helped me become more confident in myself and as a result, I was able to leave behind the "security" of transmedicalism. I had clung to the ideology because I was incredibly insecure with my gender identity. Watching transmed videos caused me to engage in, for lack of a better word, self-inflicted conversion therapy. I had come out as transmasc back in 2016 but after being met with some resistence in my personal life I threw myself head first into the closet and coped with transmedicalism convincing me that I was not trans. The videos that you and others posted debunking the harmful rhetoric of transmedicalism helped me begin to undo the harm that was inflicted on me by the community. I'm just now getting back into the process of re coming out to everyone in my personal life and for the first time in years, I'm truly optimistic about my future. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Based and science pilled, hella rad. As a fellow enby, I'm so relieved that you came back, I was worried you'd been chased off the platform. If more bird happen, in flocking glorious revolution, please add galah?
Thank you so much for this video! Transmedicalism was my gateway to immense self-hatred and all around negativity through my high school years. I went from identifying as genderfluid to throwing myself directly back into the closet because I was convinced my feelings were ‘wrong’, or that I must be faking it because rEaL trAnS pEoPLe did x, y, and z, while I only did x and y. I’m only starting to re-accept my identity after years of beating myself down through this negative ideology. Amazing amazing video Moe :D
I found out that I'm trans and nonbinary much later in life than most, and it was primarily due to internalized transmedicalism. It has caused me a lot of direct harm and prevented me from even questioning my gender identity for years, even though ironically I do fit the profile of severe gender dysphoria that has caused me significant impairment throughout my life. I was first introduced to transmed ideas years ago by a well-meaning friend who thought he was being an ally to a mutual friend of ours. I was led to believe that transness was a psychiatric condition that needed to be diagnosed from the outside, and that one needed to go through the proper medical channels to qualify as a legitimate case. Since I grew up at a time when LGBTQ topics were not taught in school, and I didn't have access to the information and tools necessary to describe what was going on, I came to define myself by my diagnosis of clinical depression, from early adolescence on. When it came to my social anxiety, body image issues, trouble fitting in, and my inability to figure out who I was supposed to be or what to do with my life, I thought it could be nothing but depression. Even years later when my friend corrected the record and admitted he'd been wrong, the ideas had taken root. When I started questioning if I could be nonbinary, I kept screaming at myself that I was just faking it for attention, that I was appropriating the experiences of legitimate trans people, and that I would be taking resources away from others. I had convinced myself that my mind was capable of fabricating a false identity as a desperate attempt to escape from depression (imposter syndrome). I never went so far as to accuse other trans people of this, but I thought I was the only faker in existence. It took a particularly bad episode of depression to force me to realize the only way to break out of the cycle was to accept my trans identity. Ironically, it wasn't until after I'd finally come out to myself that I was able to look back over my lived experiences and realize I do in fact have a lot of signs of gender dysphoria. The depression had been overshadowing them all along, and depression is one of the most common correlations / misdiagnoses thereof. I first noticed the social dysphoria, of feeling compelled to act out toxic masculine behaviors like rage and aggression, even though I hated myself for that. There were the body image issues, of course, which I had mistaken for dysmorphia because I couldn't tell the difference. Then there's the neurological disorder that has accompanied my depression for years, which I strongly suspect is related to the incongruence between my mind and body, like one was trying to reject the other. Transmedicalist gatekeeping benefits no one, and even hurts the people who espouse it. I can't comprehend how it helps the cause of trans rights for there to be far _fewer_ trans people who are comfortable exploring their identities and coming out. Anyone who wants to identify as trans should feel free to, if that's what brings them happiness and peace of mind.
25 mins in and really enjoying the vid so far. As embarrassed as I am to admit it, it took me wayyy too long to realise that transmedicalism is wrong. I can somewhat understand why people consider their dysphoria to be medical (it’s a hard thing to live with and causes a lot of mental pain, plus everyone wants doctors to take it seriously and help more people transition medically). I was pretty active in the r/truscum community for a while. It’s not too radical and is mainly teens and thankfully there’s a rule against naming-and-shaming. However, I started to feel like they were making problems out of nothing. There’s a LOT of posts of people complaining about their friends who came out as trans after them being “trenders” etc. It actually irritates me because these friends were likely very supportive when OP came out and OP can’t return that kindness to them and instead feels threatened enough to post about them on Reddit. r/transmedical is a lot smaller but are very radical and even claim r/truscum users are “tucutes” for supporting (dysphoric) NB people. While I have some pretty obvious signs of dysphoria, I often felt uncomfortable in those communities because I worried that I would not be considered trans enough… Edit: I laughed at the bisexual jean joke
One hour in the Truscum subreddtit made me feel like all hope is lost. I don't know how people can live with that much hate in their life. Made me feel sick to be honest. I don't have that kind of energy to spend on how other people do or do not transition. I just look at myself and my own journey and do my thing.
I can't ever seem to walk away from a CopsHateMoe video, without feeling just a little smarter. And that's always a good thing. I look forward to catching the other three(?) parts.
This is so good. I kind of lack the ability to express how happy and proud i am that this video exists and encompasses what many of us think and wonder about and are unable to completely understand. I wish everyone would watch this, it really checks every point it needs to, cant wait for the next ones!
Hey, um. I just wanted to say that I really love and support you. My parents are huge fans of Isaac Butterfield and I found you through one of his videos, but my parents don't know I am now a fan of yours. They currently think I watch your videos ironically, but I just wanted to thank you for making videos like this. it's basically the only way I can find out more about the lgbt community. Just, thank you. Genuinely.
54:09 I think I'm one of those cis people who would meet the criteria for gender dysphoria, both social (historically I always disliked being forced to wear dresses, ponytails and clothes considered traditionally feminine as well as being called 'pretty' or gendered words) and physical (I always wanted a more lean and androgynous body instead of a curvy one, I feel incredibly uncomfortable with the idea that I can get pregnant and a foetus can grow inside me). I also meet (to a certain degree) most of the points detailed at 55:03 (except for the one that's about being gendered/called/treated/seen as another gender than the one I was assigned at birth). I like what you say at 1:04:43 because I spent the past 5 years questioning my gender and I always come to the same conclusion: I am a woman, I feel like I am a woman, and I like being a woman. I wouldn't want to be any other gender, but I do feel uncomfortable with certain social and physical aspects of being a woman. I even considered I might be agender but that doesn't seem to fit either.
@@notfunny1410 plenty enough of them do. Some of us humans feel gender strongly, some of us don't feel particularly gendered, and there are even those who strongly don't feel of any gender and are truly happy with any looking body/gender treatment from the rest of society and so on.
I'm actually so happy to see you back on RUclips! It's been over a year of identifying as trans for me, and I don't think I would've reached this point without you and your vids.
The breakdown of the brain scan thing really helped me. I never liked being worried about that sorta thing, and that wasn't fun during my questioning phase. However, I play a lot of Minecraft, so I am still curious about it, and how it'd line up with other scans.
im doing my university dissertation on terf ideology and gender theory (philosophy undergrad!) and i'm extremely glad to see this video. definitely going to do more research on the studies and people referenced! this could not have come at a better time. very interesting watch :)
@@notfunny1410 you can write a dissertation on a lot of things, and if youre in philosophy this would be a pretty appropriate topic also why are you antagonizing people in the comment section
I'm in the middle with all of this, I have a standard for myself, and another for the rest of the world. I don't expect others to have the same experience, and I think this is how everyone should be. I experience gender dysphoria, I plan to medically transition, I feel like something is wrong with me. But that applies to me, and me alone. Other trans people have their own way of being themselves, their existence doesn't negate my experiences, and my experiences don't negate theirs. It's really not that hard to mind your own business, although it is a bit of a learning curve in the beginning.
I didn't really start having dysphoria until I turned 18 and actually started thinking about my gender. I mean, I was always "shy" and introverted, and a very depressed kid and it was only when I got on antidepressants that I realised I was trans, probably because I was too busy with the other stuff before. To be honest, I feel quite isolated in this experience in the trans community. It's as if my dysphoria came on all of a sudden, or at least I realised that's what it was a long while into it. And thats exactly the narrative terfs use against trans people, you know? I dont think I can really prove my validity as a trans person using transmedicalist standards, and I've sort of given up using any standards at all. I've gone back to wearing dresses, something I used to do a lot before I came out, because I feel like no-ones ever gonna see me as who I know I am anyway, why not just wear a dress? This may end up being a very one year out as trans experience. Not sure tbh, that's kind of the problem.
Many trans meds have moved past the “needing gender dysphoria” thing and refer to it as “needing gender incongruence and not necessarily dysphoria”. I think both sides agree on more than they think they do… it just comes down to semantics (I.e. gender vs. gender expression). Can we all just agree to respect each other? Great video!
Anxiety makes perfect sense, to others with anxiety. It’s when you say it out loud to others that it starts to sound silly. But it’s still real! Also you’re quite inspiring. Thanks to everyone here for being lovely and inspirational. Y’all keep this old woman’s hopes high for our future, which helps a lot as I’m quite often depressed.
I'm pretty much at the beginning of the video, and I don't know if you will mention it, but I always felt like that transmedicalism is also very sexist, because it says that woman=female=woman role. E. g. when people like Blaire White make fun of women's body hair, especially when it comes to non cis women. As if it would be neccesary to feel ashamed about everything that society doesn't consider feminine to be a real woman. Or when Kalvin Garrah make distinction between 'real' trans men a transtrenders based on the fact that a real trans man will only have long hair if he is still recognisably male by society, and only a transtrender would be comfortable looking somewhat feminine. What they don't recognise is that by that they completely undermine their on arguement saying that gender identity comes from inside, because they focus on the distress that a person experiences not fitting into made-up gender roles. This also helps the spreading of hate towards cis people too, because it strengthens the idea that one only can be a real man/woman if the sign to every pre-described expectation society puts on them, completely dismissing the experiences that cis and trans people have with their own gender identity, because it doesn't allow experiences outside the box. I also feel that I really should compliment on the effort that you've done. I'm very familiar with trans and gender issues but the way you explained gender and gender role was quite eye-opening, and I feel that I understand every term better, and I'm continuing the video. Also that blaser is stunning on you, you look so serious in that.
I needed this shit back in high school so, so badly. I hope this video helps out some other young trans person, so they don't try the same shit I did, and they realize they were always "trans enough". You're the GOAT, Moe.
I watched the whole thing and I feel like this video (and series) could be a centerpiece in trans education, a canonic piece to refer to. Thank you for this! Thank you for the work and research you put in, it's wild to me how you do it, but kudos!
Thank you for covering this topic. Im nonbinary/genderfluid, throughout my childhood and into my teens I would say I definitely experienced gender dysphoria as a full on mental health disorder. *(TW)* It got so bad at times I self harmed and had suicidal thoughts. *(TW over)* But in recent years (I’m 21 now) I’ve gotten more self-confident, self-adoring, and all around truly content with myself as my relationship with myself physically and mentally has matured. I wouldn’t say I experience gender dysphoria now, even momentarily. But I still identify and feel the same way I have since childhood. And for context, I have not done any medical transitioning, only social. And even then I still mostly “look” like my biological sex and am misgendered daily. Everyone’s idea of their gender is not only unique but constantly changing and evolving. As a teen I thought a lot of the transmedicalist arguments you brought up in this video, but I’ve come to the same/similar conclusions as you as I’ve grown up. We don’t need to rely on extreme discomfort to be trans. We just need to *be trans.* I realized that while overcoming my own internalized sexism, because it allowed me to be comfortable with my gender as is, not having to externally prove it to anyone, not having to align with others’ ideas. It’s *my* gender, I am more than allowed to feel it just how it is. So is everyone else. But that’s what transmedicalists don’t understand
what you said about two people having similar feelings about themselves but using different labels within the trans identity is also very true for people on the asexual/aromantic spectrums. i could practically have the same feelings about sex and romance as another person, and identify on that spectrum, but only feel comfortable using different labels from theirs. it’s terrifying, especially when you want things to be simple, but also so liberating. i feel like people should be encouraged to share when they’re intimidated by complexity, rather than be shamed for it. there are ways to have these conversations without people getting hurt.
So glad to see you back, Moe! 💙 When I first found your channel around a year ago, I was "JUST AN ALLY, I SWEAR". You were one of many creators that helped me recognize & accept my transness... After a lot of trial & error & soul-searching, I found myself as a demiboy. I've taken a lot of steps in my social transition & am going to start the name change process soon!! Thank you for making this video. It... Really helps. I want to be treated like the guy I know myself to be, but I don't want to take every step of transition & be cis-passing. Sometimes, I find myself at serious odds with myself, because there's that question of "If you don't want to be a convincing male, what makes you a guy?" & go down the invalidation rabbit hole. Honestly, that kind of shit is more distressing than the dysphoria itself... But you make so many wonderful, nuanced points in this video! It IS a weird nebulous phenomenon to know who you are, especially if the world's observations of you run in opposition to that. One commenter likened it to the feeling of love, which... Yeah. That about sums it up. We don't need to have evidence to prove we know ourselves. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series!!
Hey, your schedule isn't inconsistent, you show up precisely when you need to. I can't think of a time I've gotten an upload notice and not thought to myself, "ah, thank god! Moe's take is just what I wanted to hear today!"
Such an interesting and sweet video! I normally have trouble focusing on videos this length, but you managed to keep me entertained. Thank you for you hard work! Keep it up 👍
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The main issue I have with micro identities is that they foster isolation, and discourage connection with others. It encourages people who already feel alone to keep feeling alone. Rather than focusing on the commonalities shared, and accepting the wide range of "normal" for even a particular category, they emphasise these little differences that Capitalist culture likes to warp, so as to isolate us and make us feel like we _can't_ connect with others, rather than encourage us to seek out ways that we _can_ whilst still enjoying our differences. Micro-identities aren't harmful to the LGBTQ community by way of "making us look bad," but because they have detrimental effects on our most vulnerable people -youth and those who are struggling with mental health issues- by first isolation from others, and then by commodifying those isolating differences for exploitation. Those who want to make LGBTQ people "look bad" don't need micro-labels to do it, history has already proven that. Capitalism, on the other hand, thrives by isolating people from each-other, making them feel alone, and fostering chronic uniqueness in vulnerable young people to turn them into emotionally stunted adults who are more easily controlled.
i understand this concern, but i feel like it relies on the assumption that people who choose to use microlabels stay in their own little corner and don't identify with any... let's call them 'macrolabels,' like gay or nonbinary or bisexual etc. I use a few microlabels for myself when I'm analyzing my identity and experiences for the sake of learning about myself--the most specific would probably be enbian-oriented aroace--but in general, I just call myself aroace and nonbinary and leave it at that. it's kind of like musical subgenres; a band might define their music as queercore anarcho punk death rock with metal influences, but they'll still put 'punk' 'rock' or 'metal' in their tags for people to find them. another band might simply define their music as jazz or indie or instrumental, and that's good too! macrolabels help you find people like you, while microlabels can help explain your specific personal experiences. i analyze these labels not as a pursuit of uniqueness, i rarely even bring them up, but as a loving form of research. i research me-ology because i love myself and i want to know everything i can about them, even if i never publish those findings.
Caught this vid mid premier so now I'm going to watch it back but I just want to comment real quick. I've got out of my transmedicalism recently, it was basically me just trying to fit in within certain trans circles online, and trying to understand my complex experience through a simplistic lens. I never said anything cruel to anyone who didn't have a binary experience, but in my head I passed judgement (still do sometimes, working on it, it's pretty much just my own insecurity and dysphoria when I see someone who for example is a pre T-trans guy with long hair and feminine clothes, I'm pre-T myself and wouldn't feel comfortable doing that but I don't have to so I need to remember that). I've also been struggling recently with feeling a sense of mourning for a comfortable, happy childhood I never had but could've had if I'd been listened to by my parents, and wish I'd been allowed to cut my hair etc. Does anyone have any tips for how to deal with this?
My advice would be to allow yourself to mourn if that's how you're feeling. It's totally understandable to mourn for the little you who didn't get heard or supported in the ways you needed back then. Take care of that little you that still exists inside you. Spoil them now! Let yourself play and surround yourself with people who give you that support now. Remember it's not too late because that little you is still here inside you now and you now have the power to get those needs met!!! Last bit of advice, if you find yourself struggling in darkness, don't be afraid to ask for help or speak to a counselor or therapist. Sometimes it takes a while to find the right professional but don't give up! Once you find the right person, it can be invaluable!
As a cis LGBT person, I really appreciate how people like you help us to better understand and empathize with trans people. Thank you for taking your time to put something like this together and help us learn and become better people to each other!
Timestamps 0:00 Intro 5:15 What is Transmedicalism? 13:09 Defining terms 30:34 Different definitions of gender 34:22 Brain Scans 48:38 Gender Dysphoria 1:07:28 Why Transition? 1:17:08 Gender and White Supremacy 1:21:42 Let people explore their identity 1:24:59 Final Words (+ special announcement) 1:28:39 shhh cheeky bloopers
Oh gosh, Moe! 7 months! Congratulation!! It came out beautifully. Honestly, I needed this video in this exact moment. I'm going through a discovery journey myself and I could use new and actual terminology in order to be understood better. I may need to translate some of it in Italian though 🤔 Anyway, for all it counts, I'm proud of you and super thankful for this video, I'll be waiting for more, obvs. See ya! Oh, sorry, I forgot to send some love! ❤
So happy to see a new video by you. You’re amazing at presenting these videos, comedy, music, writing, entertaining, drawing and so much more . I love all your content and it’s helped me through some hard times and to find myself. I’m so thankful for all your videos and I wish you the best in life and your projects.
I personally identify myself as a transsexual man because to me the more strict box is what’s most comfortable. One of my main goals to feel the most right with myself is to make myself as close to a cis man as I biologically can. However, I don’t think I am any more deserving to be seen/addressed as male than a person who may not fully medically transition or present in a more feminine fashion. I think it just boils down to respect. It doesn’t hurt you to address someone properly. And I think it’s bullshit to put norms as the end all be all for someone’s identity. I don’t think my masculine identity is any more valid or deserving of respect than someone who may be comfortable without having to medically transition. Also I didn’t realize that I was trans until I was 17 because my dysphoria wasn’t as intense as I heard it was supposed to be. I felt a disconnect but it took me so long to realize that just because I didn’t have this acute “I am in the wrong body” thoughts constantly that I was trans. Luckily even though I will not be able to get my surgeries for a while, I’ve been able to learn to appreciate my body where it is right now and not feel cripplingly invalid.
1:01:16 "Sometimes people have periods in which they don't really experience much, if any, gender dysphoria, then followed by a reoccurrence." That's basically what happened to me. Going through puberty, I absolutely hated the fact that I was growing breasts, and felt so uncomfortable and self-conscious about them. Then I learned to live with them, and they were just kinda there. Then I realized I'm actually a demigirl, and it made me realize I've never been comfortable with them. Now I'm constantly bothered by their existence.
Thank you for educating me about there not seemingly being a sexually dimorphic brain. I was under the impression that there was a least a general trend in the sizes of certain brain structures between sexes, but as you said, the most recent research has been done with larger sample sizes and included multiple ethnicities and as meta analyses, so the data is better. How I’d interpreted all this was, transgender people’s brain structures generally aligned with the gender they identified with and had just assumed that for non-binary people they might have a mix, that mosaic phenotype you mentioned. I wasn’t transmedicalist, but I would still have used the sexually dimorphic brains, and the fact that people could have a mix of these different sized brain structures i.e. the mosaicism, as one point if trying to show a transgender identity is valid. But I won’t use it anymore.
This whole video is fantastic, but one part that really got me is when you were talking about all the different labels folks come up with. "These words don't have to make sense to you ... but they made sense to someone, and that's the important thing." That hit me square in the chest in a really good way. There's something so human about that sentiment, and I love it.
Hey, Mo, glad you're back! This video is fantastic, your best work in my opinion. The wait was worth every second. Last time you posted I thought I was cis, but it's been a while and a lot has changed. When I do come out, I'm going to show this video to my parents. I can't tell you how much this video means to me. I honestly nearly cried when you talked about gender euphoria, specifically the example about hair. This exact thing happened to me. I liked my long hair, and I was comfortable with it. I was even scared to cut it. The moment I did cut it though, the euphoria I felt rocked my world. All of a sudden, I just knew it was right, and I'm never going back. I would love to see you talk about Māori gender and colonization. I'm Māori myself, but I've lived in America my whole life so I'm very disconnected from my heritage. Hell, I don't even know my iwi and up until about a year ago I still pronounced Tauranga like "Tear-onga" 😅 Anyway, hope you're doing well, and thank you so much for this resource.
Wheh! This video slaps! Challenged a few of my less examined views and expanded on some half assed feelings ive had. Thanks for the consistent quality moe.
I love this and missed you! I just got top surgery last month (after YEARS of waiting) and I am the happiest I've ever been. Thanks for sharing your research, knowledge and explanations :)
Gender and race are both social constructs. You can really identify with the social constructs and the reality that society has pushed on you from them. It's not a bad thing.
I do want to go out on a limb though and say, while I agree wholeheartedly, without clarification saying "race is a social construct" without explanation can lead to people identifying as "transracial" like Mr. London from a few months back. And while this certainly doesn't mean it's a "slippery slope" or whatever, just because they both are socially constructed doesn't mean they work in the same way. And require different talks about each one entirely. Not to say you're wrong in any way. I just wanted to say this before anyone seeing your comment got confused and wanted to write a hate comment or something
Congratulations on being in a stand-up competition! I have wanted to try stand-up for a couple of years now, but I haven't had the chance yet, largely because of the pandemic
I wanted to fact check you on something you said early on in your video, even though you said the word "probably". You are totally the reason I clicked on the video. Don't get me wrong, the subject matter is super important -- and you do it justice -- but don't sell yourself short, we love to see you :)
Hi Moe, actually from what I understand about homosexuality it would not be just a gene, but a set of genes that would influence the development of human sexuality, but that would not be determinant and these genes could not be manifested. This would not rule out environmental factors in any way, after all, one thing interacts with the other. But this question only has all this importance because Christian conservatives are always threatening the rights of LGBT people with gay healing and taking away their rights in politics, so having science on the LGBT side can carry a lot of weight. There are not many reasons to condemn these identities as something immoral, the only justifications are based on religious moralism.
I’ve heard so many trans people both online and offline talk about you and your channel (positively) and I cannot believe you don’t have WAY MORE subs 😮
This was a lovely video and its really helping me work through many feelings surrounding my transition. I absorbed a lot of trans medicalist ideas when I first learned that trans people existed (despite the fact I knew they were wrong). I knew I wanted to be a girl since childhood however I felt fake and like I wasn't effeminate enough even though I was and am quite stereotypically effeminate, (which is unsurprising considering I was pressured into being masculine all the time.) and therefore didn't have dysphoria and even refused to look up anything to do with the subject till it became to overwhelming to ignore. When I finally did look it up after accepting that yes I could just be a girl if I wanted to I realised that yes I definitely had what would be described as both social and physiological dysphoria which would need medical transition to aid with and had wasted years in denial over it. But I did get over the denial and I am hoping to start hrt around my 20th birthday and I am very hopeful and happy because of this. TLDR transmedicalism doesn't help anyone not even the people that it claims to protect. Don't let anyone ever tell you that transition of any kind is reserved for one group or is a process of giving up or suffering. Transition should be about making you as happy a person as possible. Stay safe.
Watched this video all the way through and it was 100% worth it. Your way of calmly explaining and dissecting all the little concepts and arguments relating to transmedicalism was super helpful. I've watched and rewatched a bunch of your videos already, and I have a feeling this is gonna be another one. Glad you stuck through those seven treacherous months lol
Moe, I really appreciate you unpacking this stuff. As a non-conforming trans man, I too once suffered from subscribing to transmedicalist ideology, and watching large parts of my communities reckon with and grow from this has been a healing experience. Commenting because I want to encourage this to be shared. Transmedicalism hurts people. It's based in pain that causes its adherents to hurt others. It's not a crime that should be punished, but a wound that must be healed. A cycle of hurt that must be broken.
A really great video, appreciate the depth of discussion while making it acceptable to the younguns It took me a really long time to realize I was not cis, and part of that realization was actually because of my discomfort and internalized transphobia towards binary trans people. For a long time I thought I was "just a guy that didn't care about labels" and I didn't understand people who claim several gender oriented/sexuality/romantic identities in their bios. I felt a lot of discomfort with the idea that someone would want to label themselves because *I* didn't want to do that. Now, I'm married to a trans man who began transitioning after coming out a second time (having lived a long time as non-binary) and it took a lot of introspection to really realize my discomfort with labels was my projection because of my own feelings. Only through talking with my husband and others did I realize I did not like others claiming of labels because I didn't want that for myself. I still don't claim a trans identity, or even a sexuality that feels *fitting*. I picked "queer" because I don't think I can find a term more specific that could describe how I feel about both my sexuality and my gender identity. Last anecdote; I never felt gender dysphoria. At least I thought I didn't, until recently when I thought about the *concept* of cutting my now-long hair and it TERRIFIED me. I feel like I could've easily landed on becoming a transmedicalist or a transphobe, or a medical transitioner that then de-transitioned had I been exposed to a set of beliefs. Only after realizing that my desire for affirmation was one I needed to seek internally did I break out of my toxic thought patterns. I hope this video helps someone else realize why those ideas can be harmful. Thank you again. Keep up the good work and I hope the beetles leave you alone.
What an insightful, well-crafted marathon. I was listening along to this and every time a section wrapped up, I'd think, aww, that sounds like the end of the video. But it wasn't! Seriously admire how jam-packed this was with thoughtful explanation and discussion of so many aspects and I could see using this as a resource/stepping-off-point in the future.
Had a few comments complaining about the long intro and so I just want to remind you there are timestamps! I have them there for a reason, you can skip it with a simple click :D
This video is such crucial information! We came out as nonbinary transgender in our 50s and began HRT. But we had to work through so much transmedicalist chaff to accept our identity. 🌈💜🥚🏳️⚧️
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@@indonesianaspie5279 people can worry about multiple things, you know?
Damn, I haven’t even gotten though the ads yet, so much sass… not sure if this makes me anxious or excited for the video hahaha
Moe, you clearly put a lot of time into this project, you feel very strong about it, and you have some strong technical skills, as well. Furthermore, I have no desire - nor do I think I would be able - to stand in the way of you exploring your gender.
Having said that, I'm sorry to have to add that I found this content to be - at best - "uninformed." I will give you the benefit of the doubt that this is as far as it goes (at least consciously).
Only having the space of a YT comment, and having already arrived in the third paragraph, let me skip to the core of my disappointment: the "body of science" to which you refer is a single peer-reviewed study which does not make even one mention of trans* (anything), nor reference to the BSTc. Meanwhile, there are multiple studies in the most prestigious journals which support the idea that brains show dimorphism with regard to gender identity - it is a neuroanatomically-based phenomenon.
While many things you say I would agree with, these camps you seem to want to put people into of "transmedicalist" and "people who agree with Moe's correct view of gender" are - ironically - something which seems to me to be its own binary. Yet here I am, and I think I would disagree with both.
Again, TY for sharing your art. Your animations, music, editing, and presentation are highly skilled.
off topic, but you mentioned conversion therapy for like one second in this video and just wanted to say that Canada (where im from) just made conversion therapy illegal so thats very cool and fun.
Awesome! Sadly took too long.
america is fricking moving backwards, Florida is trying to pass a law, where you cant say “gay” in school.
@@datfatrat7135 free speech for the rich, but not working class, and not literal children ??? ok….
Same with nz :))
Lol so you can't voluntarily seek it if you want it. 🤣 why would it matter? you can't be converted out of something thats inherent right? But if it's all on a spectrum and can be fluid then it's not really inherent right?
I love this take on gender. As a fellow non-binary person with dysphoria, I can confirm that the truscum position is superficially understandable until you reach the part where they start dismissing, hurting, and putting down people who don’t experience gender the same way they do. I get the need to pursue surgeries and treatments to make my body align with what I know it should be, but that doesn’t make me a better or more valid trans person than someone who only changes their name or pronouns or clothes or styling or whatever to get to a gender place that feels good/better/acceptable/livable to them whatever that is.
As far as I was concerned, all that transmedicalism was was the belief that one needs to have experienced gender dysphoria in order to be trans. None of this invalidating people shit, or saying that you NEED to transition fully.
Like, I called myself transmedicalist because I believed that being trans was an obvious result of having gender dysphoria.
People take everything too far, I swear.
@@Nakia11798 Except the medical community agrees, by and large, that gender dysphoria is not needed to be transgender. Moe talks about it at about the 48 minute mark. The belief that dysphoria is necessary is in itself invalidating, and is what leads to all the toxicity put out by transmeds. Watch the video you're commenting on before trying to whitewash the ideology you've bought into.
@@jubbine I'm asking this as a genuine question. Woudln't a lack of gender dysphoria mean that were someone to transition, they WOULD develop gender dysphoria?
@@fabplays6559 Not necessarily. It depends on the person, and what you mean by transition. Some people feel neutral about presenting as the gender they were assigned at birth, but feel happy presenting as whatever gender they actually are. There's also more to transitioning than medical procedures, so they could transition in other ways and find what feels right for them before they even consider hormones or surgery.
Also, not every trans person needs to transition medically to be happy, even if they are dysphoric. That's obviously not true for everyone, and those who do want to medically transition should be able to, but seeking those things should not be a prerequisite for being seen as a "valid" trans person.
@@makeshift2105 I was willing to answer your questions politely until you added the last part. You are reading my comments in incredibly bad faith, and I think if you thought about it more you'd realize that what you said doesn't make one iota of sense. You deeply misunderstand conservative rhetoric if you think any of what I said reflects it.
If you actually want to talk, try asking again without doing the mental gymnastics. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time. Have a nice day.
this video is really calling me out lol
Im a trans guy, and i’ve been a sort of transmedicalist (like thinking you need dysphoria to be trans) and i need to accept that it’s way more complicated than i thought.
proud of you for admitting a wrong and deciding to work towards it! not a lot of people can do that lol
same i used to think like that, its still stuck in my brain ab it but y'know
Even when I was conflicted about whether having dysphoria was a prerequisite to being trans, I still respected people who said they didn't experience it. I never understood why people tried to gatekeep and claim their experiences as more valid than anyone else's. I also mostly just wasn't sure it was possible to know you're a different gender without knowing you feel better one way and therefore worse the other way, which to me would be considered dysphoria, I never really believed it had to be severe or always involve physical dysphoria so I don't think I would've met the requirements of most transmeds anyway
Yeah, as someone trying to be a writer including LGBTQA+ stuff, watching this made me realise how I was describing being trans within the language of the story kind of fell into transmedicalisum.
@@cakecinema9385 i mean, its ok to write a trans character with the "typical trans experience" that transmeds think is universal
I always pause to read everything, so it always takes my ADHD ass around twice as long to watch videos. So I definitely appreciated, _“Mum, I’m pregnant and I’m keeping the baby.”_ Thanks for that.
Heheheheh
i feel like the feeling of being trans is like the feeling of love, nobody can specify it, we only can describe certain parts of it, everybody's definition is different
Omg thats really wholesome i love that
Oh wow, this is a perfect comparison!!
you could say it’s… immaterial (OK, I’ll see myself out, SOPHIE reference)
Schizophrenia is like that too ♥
@@fernandocamara6507 so you say that to everyone talks about their inner experience and emotions?
Typing a comment because chat has a character limit. I think that people don't really try to understand that being trans has both good and bad aspects. It's hard to find people who actually recognize the beautiful parts and the terrible parts, and their coexistence. So many trans spaces seem to be one or the other. I see people get shit on for enjoying their transness from once camp, and from the other people get shit on for being dysphoric. It's hard to find a space where people recognize both.
Yeah, i think you have hit the nail on the head there is two extremes but not really a middle ground. But it does seem like more of that “blame” i guess for lack of a better term is placed on trans meds, but ive seen plenty of people insult transmeds for just wanting to be stealth or pushing the narrative that if you want this its because your ashamed ect. I think for the post part a lot of trans discourse simply comes down to the fact that aside from the fact we are trans we dont have anything else is common, its not like say i know this isnt the best example but christians like most christians are going to hold similar values, but trans people cant agree on weither asking pronouns or not is a good idea because we have such vastly different values. As much as the discourse surrounding transmeds vs tucutes or whatever is obviously heavily detrimental i dont think its actually that suprissing that we then split into sub groups that define our values/wants better.
I agree with this, there should be space and support for both. Every trans experience is different, which is important for people on both "sides" to understand.. Pre-transition, I was extremely dysphoric and negative about being trans all the time. I honestly though it was a curse and I would kill to be cis. I dealt with a lot of discrimination and hate at school, work, home, and the doctors office. After transition, now, I'm so much more happy with my life. I love being trans and I celebrate my transness. Now, I'm of the mindset that most of the negatives that come from being trans come from the outside - things like discrimination, transphobia, violence, etc. In a vacuum, one of the only "bad" things about being trans is dysphoria (if you have it). And that can be helped with transition, a strong support system, etc, if you want to. That was a huge realization for me, and when I started being able to love myself and my transness, when I realized my pain would not be forever, and that those outside factors that make trans being so hard is not on me. I don't have to hate myself because other people do, and I can start loving myself out of spite. Finding community with other trans people of all experiences was also important for me. I really think the keys to getting out of that negative headspace and into loving yourself is time, finding the right people and place, and getting the support/care you need, medical or otherwise. I think we should support those going through that, and both "sides" should be respectful and compassionate for the other, without invalidating each other. I put "sides" in quotes because it's not just two groups who disagree, it's a range of experiences. I both love myself and my transness, but am stealth outside of my friend group for safety reasons. Life is not so simple. Note: these are just my experiences. Of course people will experience and view things differently, and it is not that easy - this change in mindset took my around 5 years and lots of therapy.
@Kraus von Grat huh? what do you mean focus on their previous gender
@Kraus von Grat Because gender and sex are different things and trans people understand that even if our gender is valid, we’re still different from cis people of our gender in some ways
@@andreadamon2197 if gender and sex are different, why are transGENDER individuals in female sex segregated sports? I keep hearing that gender and sex are different but they are constantly conflated in language and in life on your side of the argument.
You're back! I don't know if you'll read this but you really helped me come to terms with feeling valid as a fellow nonbinary person who doesn't want to undergo certain elements of medical transition. Can't wait to see you debunk transmeds Moe, it's a mentality that held me back for a long time :^) ❤️
Ah thank you so much! This means a lot
same!
@@CopsHateMoe I’m not sure if anyone will see this but these are just my thoughts. I don’t think Moe is entirely correct on the subject despite the amount of effort put into the video. I am a male identifying trans person who does not seek medical transition…however I do have gender dysphoria and I think every trans person experiences gender dysphoria just on varying degrees…much like any other strong and valid emotions, depression/happiness and such… and no, I don’t think it’s “pathetic” to feel that social dysphoria is enough to be gender dysphoria…being called “she” might not hurt too much once but over time it can cause plenty of distress…(I’m sure you’d understand that) and compering your any sense of self to toast as a metaphor really isn’t the best way to describe things, it does make it sound like a trend. I don’t mean any harm by this, I guess everyone’s inner truth and experience is going to be different and no one has the right to dictate it. Like you said about transmeds. (Though the very same could easily be said right back at you) Just food for thought. I will agree that the pressure and must to fully transition and reach cis standards is toxic though.
@@femmesword4015 this doesn’t make much sense
@@astrwolf5507 You individually don’t have to get it for it to make sense. I’m saying that gender dysphoria effects all trans people, regardless if they think so or not. Gender dysphoria ranges. You need that disconnect from your birth sex in order to question if you’re trans in the first place. That’s dysphoria.
moe!
this couldn’t come at a better time as someone who fell down the transmed pipeline and is still unlearning transphobic things. learning that i am trans enough has been the hardest thing and roadblock to accepting myself and what my transition will look like for me. thank you for being a voice with empathy, humor, and resilience. your videos inspire me to be compassionate. i can’t thank you enough for the thought and work you do and have done. thank you!
If you identify as a gender you weren't assigned at birth, congratch fam, you're 100% verified trans enough. Gender is your experience of that aspect of yourself.
@@indonesianaspie5279 "Other people are suffering in a way that *I* (subjectively) think is worse, therefore your suffering is lesser and invalid"
Take your transphobic ass-backwards logic somewhere else.
@@indonesianaspie5279 Also: people are allowed to be concerned with nore than one problem
@@dragonfly9856 this person didn't say anything transphobic. You proved their point about yall being sensitive and whiny
@@indonesianaspie5279 advocating for an oppressed minority group doesn't seem very self-centred I must say 🤔 plus, trans rights aren't an issue in only "western countries". As well as homelessness being very prevalent amongst trans people because of their lack of rights and acceptance towards them! So yeah I agree, homelessness is definitely an issue. Which is why fighting for trans rights, amongst other things, is important! ❤️
Great to see you back! Very keen to hear you take apart transmedicalism, too, I hope this reaches a lot of people.
love this video. ive identified exclusively as a transgender man for coming on 5 years now, and i do experience a level of dysphoria, but ive always felt like i wasnt trans enough because i didn't really feel like hormone therapy was right for me. over the past few yrs i have really learned to accept that not all trans people are the same, and that i dont need to take hormones to be trans! gender is beautiful and being transgender is awesome no matter what route you take
if you say you are trans you are trans. nuff said. you don't need anyone else's permission or validation to be trans, nonbinary, or whatever else gender identity you feel at home with.
i am still struggling with my path - i do not know what medical procedures i will undergo, if any.... so i know what you've felt. i'm still insecure. but i know i shouldn't be.....
@@transsexual_void_fairy I'm sure you know this, just looking at the comments here, but you're not alone. You're not alone in your uncertainty, your insecurity, nor in your self perception.
Hoping this doesn't come off preachy or condescending, cuz these are words I say to myself pretty often too:
You are your home. Your body and your mind are the ways you connect with the world. They belong to you and nobody else.
Your labels should serve you, not the other way around.
Sending good vibes
thanks for making me feel valid
me too man, I feel you - I only really need top surgery, the rest is of secondary importance to me :)) glad you're doing alright
@@salemheideman9517
As a genderfluid asian person I actually exclaimed “Yeah!!” When the White supremacy and transmedicalism title card showed up. I take gender inspiration from asian sources such as anime (Zhongli is hella gender), which is seen as more fem in comparison to white culture. For example, many anime have pretty boys with long hair, long eyelashes and wear earrings. I find transmedicalists to be completely ignorant of non-white cultures.
i felt that so hard! im native (mohave, navajo, chemehuevi) and transmed rhetoric really does hinge on a suuuper white view of gender. looking back on my first few years being out i cringe at how heavily i was trying to fit into those white standards of "masculine". im finally growing my hair out like i shouldve always been doing, escaping transmedicalism is wicked liberating
also fun fact, in hamakhav, the mohave language, our word for white people is hayikuy pronounced hai-kooie
just wanted to share that :^D
Black transmasc here, I am still not entirely sure what masculinity truly means to me. I just know whatever it is, it is miles closer to my sense of identity and expression than femininity and female gender roles ever were, and from a dysphoric standpoint the aspects of my body that made doctors categorise me as "female" make absolutely no sense to me and I don't want them. Having felt unsafe around many cis men, however, I would like to become someone other people assigned female at birth as well as trans femmes and trans women feel safe around. That is the one thing I know for sure.
to get this out the way, I'm a white central european with an interest in history and specifically history of fashion,, people like so are on top of that also generally ignorant to "their own" eurocentric culture, by choosing not to take into account what nowadays they perceive as feminine used to be a masculine thing "before the women started stealing it for themselves",
I hope I'm not coming across as speaking over you, but rather adding to your argument, underlining the bigotry of people like such.
in short: they big succ.
That’s not culture.
@@tomokunokuno6456 but it is? like how my culture says that long hair isnt masculine or feminine while eurocentric beauty standards say long hair is feminine, cultures have varying views of gender roles and what is acceptable presentation
I used to be transmed after watch a certain reaction creator. Watching him made me feel invalid for not wanting to medically transition via T due to me not wanting any negative effects on my singing voice. I actually became more depressed and experience more serious dysphoria. But over quarantine, i really reflected on myself and realized i became the very thing i swore to destroy, a bigot. Since then i am happily a Demiboy using he/they pronouns, and am striving to be more inclusive in my life.
Transmedicalism can be unlearned, and it takes time and willpower. If you want to unlearn it, you can.
Unlearn pronouns too then.
@@ArsGratiaArtis792 Why? Because they are usually gendered and cause a daily differentiation between male and female that does not have to exist?
@@harveyhaslostit because it complicates the already complicated lives of people
@@ArsGratiaArtis792 Which is ironic, because they were originally used to make everything easier. Yet, while Latin does not have pronouns, they gender everything else, which makes the matter even worse.
I'm guessing languages that only use one pronoun for everything cause the least troubles, actually.
@@harveyhaslostit Right, language is the problem. Unfortunately, creating a new language is not going to fly by if you try now, especially when economies are struggling now since the pandemic is still going on. I myself am struggling economically, and someone's pronouns are the last thing I need to give importance to.
When the chapter card for 'gender and white supremacy' came up I was like "aw yeah they're actually gonna go there!"
Great video Moe 👍
It's such bs imagine comparing certain cultures to Twitter pronoun people.
There's a huge difference.
@@notfunny1410 it’s telling that you can only comprehend trans people in the context of social media
@@notNajimi there is an obvious difference tho prove me wrong
@@notfunny1410 I mean, white supremacy affects us all. Trans people have existed for a very very long time, and 3rd gender identities in indigenous cultures for decades. When white people colonized those regions, things like those genders and homosexuality where ruled out "in the name of God".
English isn't also the only language, and some languages have multiple pronouns to refer to a person, or just a singular one to refer to person. It's not big news that pronoun debates have been very euro centric.
@@spicyboi8150 suuuure blame the white man for everything. It's all his fault
Or do you think non cis straight white men can never be homophobic, transphobic, racist etc ?
I hope your mum supports your decision to keep the baby.
HAHAHA YOU LEGEND
I'm so confused what? I haven't watched yet
@@TiffyBeSoRandom just pause to read EVERYTHING lol
@@TiffyBeSoRandom 26:44 idk, maybe it's funnier without context tho lol
THIS
Moe: makes a D'Angelo style video to teach us about a very important health care issue
My dumb ass : you look great in that suit mate
I verbally said "you look sparkling, my liege" during one of their videos lmao
19:55 something REALLY interesting here is that some studies have shown that certain autoimmunine disorders associated more with women specifically occur most frequently in WOMEN. Thats right. Not afab people, not people with typical female hormone levels, but SPECIFICALLY people who identify as women regardless of whether theyre on hrt or not.
yooo that's wild, do you happen to have any links or remember the names of any of the disorders? i wonder if there's anything like that with men
@@Ari_C cant remember any specific disorders off the top of my head this applies to. SciShow did an episode on it tho and im pretty sure they linked a few studies!
And i wonder too. I know fibromyalgia presents differently based on testosterone levels and studies on trans fibro patients showed that hrt had a significant impact on pain levels from it, and recent studies have shown it may be an autoimmune disorder.
So it seems like it depends a lot on the specific condition too
I wonder what would cause that. There must be some trait that cis women and trans women share
That will go in the "weird but kinda validating" category for some people lmao
I would have loved to have used puberty blockers. But I never knew that was a choice! I didn't know what it meant to be transgender and most importantly how that related with my gender identity. I only found myself recently after having gone through puberty that, oh shit, I hate my body and I need to take hormones.
If only I had been educated as a child about LGBT identities, if I had had someone there for me, if I hadn't felt like an outcast my entire life, then maybe I would be happier now.
And what upsets me is how straight people see "LGBT education for kids" damaging. Oh no, they're making the children gay! 😐 Richard, shut tf up please.
I'm only going on Testosterone in May at the age of 31 and I was denied puberty blockers (which I was supposed to get because all major trademarks of puberty set in at 9 for me) because "black 'girls' mature faster". I firmly believe that we can get those lost years back, though. I wouldn't have been able to safely transition in an environment that constantly gaslit me about my experiences and kept me small. So maybe, just maybe there was one good thing about me transitioning later in life. I also had ample time to unpack internalised misogyny and racism I struggled with as a result of toxic family. Yeah, I sometimes envy people who transition as teenagers and get on hormones sooner because the second puberty will likely have a stronger impact on their bodies. But my way is okay too. All that matters is happiness, no matter when.
You’re back 🥺❤️
I am !! And (hopefully) with a bang !
I’m almost crying watching this. When I was younger, this would have helped me so much. I have been searching the internet for a smart and empathetic look at trans people, and the history of trans peeps. We need people to do these sort of videos/pools of info, as guides for younger (or older) folks, which give good and up to date information, based on compassion and not hate. Thank you moooe (no pressure for the rest of this series, I don’t mean to stress anyone out) ❤️
PS It’s also so great to see pretty much all of my fave youtubers just hangin out in the background of the video at the start.
Yay Moe you are back! You probably won’t see this, but I just wanted t let you know that you have helped me be a little less afraid of questioning my gender and while I’m not out to any one in real life, I can now say to myself that I am gender non conforming (non binary?) and definitely have chest dysphoria. Thank you so much and looking forward to the new video! I hope you are doing well!
~ A they/them (Hugo?)
i LOVE long video essays like this. it always feels like they’re full-on documentaries and not just video essays. SO MUCH EFFORT went into this video and you CAN TELL.
plus this is also SUCH an important video. i’ve always been on the outside edges of “online trans discourse” because interacting with people is terrifying, so realizing my gender identity at 14-16 was absolutely terrifying with how many transmeds were pushing their ideas online, especially when it comes to nonbinary people (especially afab ones) and the brain sex arguments. but watching the tide change over the past year has been amazing and such a confidence boost that makes me (and maybe other people idk) feel more confident in my identity as transgender & nonbinary. plus seeing more positive representation in creators like you have definitely really helped too
(also learning you edited this on iMovie in the premiere chat?? that’s amazing. like editing and the whole process of piecing video together is one of my favorite things and learning that something that feels a lot of complex like this like the animations in the video? i’m awestruck. you’re too powerful.)
The euphoria can't exist without dysphoria argument can be easily debunked
Like, I utterly love trains and get euphoric when I see them
But I don't get dysphoric over the existance of other modes of transport
Which I feel like is a similar argument as "you can't be happy with a gender if you haven't been utterly sad over you assigned gender at birth"
you don't get "euphoric" when you see trains, you get happy.
You're not debunking it..
If you were born female for example and want to be male that means you're not happy being a female..
@@sincerelyzee521 Euphoria: an extremely strong feeling of happiness and excitement that usually lasts only a short time. -Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
A person can definitely get euphoric over trains, look at Sheldon Cooper.
Euphoria can't exist without dysphoria though. That's a pretty bad comparison. Realistically, you feel happy when you see trains, but you'd feel sad when your dog dies. They don't have to be related concepts.
Example. I feel happy about my feminine hair and clothes. I feel bad about my feminine body. My stylistic choices are very unrelated to my body.
So proud of you, christ
Seven months working on a video, and doing all of the animations and research and even the background music? And it's such an incredibly thorough video, too, with some really great takes on things that I think people tend to overlook, like the relationship between gender and cultural identity and how that's been sort of tossed out the window for some folks. It's a very good video
I really hope this puts an end to the transmed discourse, its been exhausting
I will say i do think it would help if it came from someone already respected by transmeds, like the way transphobic cis people are way more likely to listen to a pro trans cis person than a trans person because they already have respect. And while a lot of the older trans med youtubers who perpetuated this stuff have changed and no longer support it, it probably would mean more to some people coming from them.
Absolutely not because without it who will bring justice to us true trans people!
Nah trans people have differing beliefs this includes transmeds. Its best to get use to that.
Discourse on highly debated and controversial topics should never really end considering there is so much to unpack about gender and, as this video mentions, there are so many ways one could understand gender. Because of this, I honestly encourage more discussion, but of course up-to-date, factual discussion. Certain transmedicalist views are factually incorrect, however some of the points they make are logical and fair, being transgender is still a mental condition or divergence of the majority, so it should be analysized and treated as such rather then allowing things like “chaosgender” to be legitimized. For me, transgenderism isn’t a community you can just join in on and enjoy, it is a condition you have no control over that psychologically effects your life, sometimes to the extent of needing surgeries and hormone intervention. that is serious stuff knowing it can make an individual infertile. Therefore it is a serious discussion that needs discourse from all perspectives.
I am so extremely glad I got out of the transmedicalist mindset I had in 2014-17 I was so toxic and hated myself and took it out in other trans people. Its awful.
Since getting away from that mindset I am happy to say I now identify as trans masculine non-binary and am closer now to being who I am than ever before.
Your videos (among other things) helped me become more confident in myself and as a result, I was able to leave behind the "security" of transmedicalism. I had clung to the ideology because I was incredibly insecure with my gender identity. Watching transmed videos caused me to engage in, for lack of a better word, self-inflicted conversion therapy. I had come out as transmasc back in 2016 but after being met with some resistence in my personal life I threw myself head first into the closet and coped with transmedicalism convincing me that I was not trans. The videos that you and others posted debunking the harmful rhetoric of transmedicalism helped me begin to undo the harm that was inflicted on me by the community. I'm just now getting back into the process of re coming out to everyone in my personal life and for the first time in years, I'm truly optimistic about my future. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Based and science pilled, hella rad. As a fellow enby, I'm so relieved that you came back, I was worried you'd been chased off the platform. If more bird happen, in flocking glorious revolution, please add galah?
When we needed them most, THEY ARRIVED!!
HECK YEAH
I can’t wait to watch this video!! Finally you’re back!!!!🖤🖤🖤
Thank you so much for this video! Transmedicalism was my gateway to immense self-hatred and all around negativity through my high school years. I went from identifying as genderfluid to throwing myself directly back into the closet because I was convinced my feelings were ‘wrong’, or that I must be faking it because rEaL trAnS pEoPLe did x, y, and z, while I only did x and y. I’m only starting to re-accept my identity after years of beating myself down through this negative ideology. Amazing amazing video Moe :D
real trans people transition.
The animation- The music- The effort that was put into the making of this video really makes it shine!
I found out that I'm trans and nonbinary much later in life than most, and it was primarily due to internalized transmedicalism. It has caused me a lot of direct harm and prevented me from even questioning my gender identity for years, even though ironically I do fit the profile of severe gender dysphoria that has caused me significant impairment throughout my life. I was first introduced to transmed ideas years ago by a well-meaning friend who thought he was being an ally to a mutual friend of ours. I was led to believe that transness was a psychiatric condition that needed to be diagnosed from the outside, and that one needed to go through the proper medical channels to qualify as a legitimate case. Since I grew up at a time when LGBTQ topics were not taught in school, and I didn't have access to the information and tools necessary to describe what was going on, I came to define myself by my diagnosis of clinical depression, from early adolescence on. When it came to my social anxiety, body image issues, trouble fitting in, and my inability to figure out who I was supposed to be or what to do with my life, I thought it could be nothing but depression.
Even years later when my friend corrected the record and admitted he'd been wrong, the ideas had taken root. When I started questioning if I could be nonbinary, I kept screaming at myself that I was just faking it for attention, that I was appropriating the experiences of legitimate trans people, and that I would be taking resources away from others. I had convinced myself that my mind was capable of fabricating a false identity as a desperate attempt to escape from depression (imposter syndrome). I never went so far as to accuse other trans people of this, but I thought I was the only faker in existence. It took a particularly bad episode of depression to force me to realize the only way to break out of the cycle was to accept my trans identity.
Ironically, it wasn't until after I'd finally come out to myself that I was able to look back over my lived experiences and realize I do in fact have a lot of signs of gender dysphoria. The depression had been overshadowing them all along, and depression is one of the most common correlations / misdiagnoses thereof. I first noticed the social dysphoria, of feeling compelled to act out toxic masculine behaviors like rage and aggression, even though I hated myself for that. There were the body image issues, of course, which I had mistaken for dysmorphia because I couldn't tell the difference. Then there's the neurological disorder that has accompanied my depression for years, which I strongly suspect is related to the incongruence between my mind and body, like one was trying to reject the other.
Transmedicalist gatekeeping benefits no one, and even hurts the people who espouse it. I can't comprehend how it helps the cause of trans rights for there to be far _fewer_ trans people who are comfortable exploring their identities and coming out. Anyone who wants to identify as trans should feel free to, if that's what brings them happiness and peace of mind.
25 mins in and really enjoying the vid so far. As embarrassed as I am to admit it, it took me wayyy too long to realise that transmedicalism is wrong. I can somewhat understand why people consider their dysphoria to be medical (it’s a hard thing to live with and causes a lot of mental pain, plus everyone wants doctors to take it seriously and help more people transition medically). I was pretty active in the r/truscum community for a while. It’s not too radical and is mainly teens and thankfully there’s a rule against naming-and-shaming. However, I started to feel like they were making problems out of nothing. There’s a LOT of posts of people complaining about their friends who came out as trans after them being “trenders” etc. It actually irritates me because these friends were likely very supportive when OP came out and OP can’t return that kindness to them and instead feels threatened enough to post about them on Reddit. r/transmedical is a lot smaller but are very radical and even claim r/truscum users are “tucutes” for supporting (dysphoric) NB people. While I have some pretty obvious signs of dysphoria, I often felt uncomfortable in those communities because I worried that I would not be considered trans enough…
Edit: I laughed at the bisexual jean joke
One hour in the Truscum subreddtit made me feel like all hope is lost. I don't know how people can live with that much hate in their life.
Made me feel sick to be honest. I don't have that kind of energy to spend on how other people do or do not transition. I just look at myself and my own journey and do my thing.
those subreddits shouldn't exist
@@DieAlteistwiederda They still use the terms “tucute” and “trender” in 2022 and it’s kind of pathetic tbh. Just a depressing place tbh.
You're back :D
I was starting to worry you'd stopped doing youtube, looking forward to the video!
I can't ever seem to walk away from a CopsHateMoe video, without feeling just a little smarter. And that's always a good thing. I look forward to catching the other three(?) parts.
This is so good. I kind of lack the ability to express how happy and proud i am that this video exists and encompasses what many of us think and wonder about and are unable to completely understand. I wish everyone would watch this, it really checks every point it needs to, cant wait for the next ones!
Hey, um. I just wanted to say that I really love and support you.
My parents are huge fans of Isaac Butterfield and I found you through one of his videos, but my parents don't know I am now a fan of yours.
They currently think I watch your videos ironically, but I just wanted to thank you for making videos like this. it's basically the only way I can find out more about the lgbt community.
Just, thank you. Genuinely.
54:09 I think I'm one of those cis people who would meet the criteria for gender dysphoria, both social (historically I always disliked being forced to wear dresses, ponytails and clothes considered traditionally feminine as well as being called 'pretty' or gendered words) and physical (I always wanted a more lean and androgynous body instead of a curvy one, I feel incredibly uncomfortable with the idea that I can get pregnant and a foetus can grow inside me). I also meet (to a certain degree) most of the points detailed at 55:03 (except for the one that's about being gendered/called/treated/seen as another gender than the one I was assigned at birth). I like what you say at 1:04:43 because I spent the past 5 years questioning my gender and I always come to the same conclusion: I am a woman, I feel like I am a woman, and I like being a woman. I wouldn't want to be any other gender, but I do feel uncomfortable with certain social and physical aspects of being a woman. I even considered I might be agender but that doesn't seem to fit either.
Nobody feels 100% male or female. It's dangerous to assume that
Not funny. You're kind of assuming there. Binary trans people exist, binary cis people exist.
@@ducky7244 you think they feel 100% the gender they are..?
@@notfunny1410 plenty enough of them do. Some of us humans feel gender strongly, some of us don't feel particularly gendered, and there are even those who strongly don't feel of any gender and are truly happy with any looking body/gender treatment from the rest of society and so on.
@@montsec4782 i think u are both on the same page tho
glad you’re back, moe! i hope you’re doing well :)
YOOOOO NEW MOE ABOUT TO DROP
I'm actually so happy to see you back on RUclips! It's been over a year of identifying as trans for me, and I don't think I would've reached this point without you and your vids.
The breakdown of the brain scan thing really helped me. I never liked being worried about that sorta thing, and that wasn't fun during my questioning phase. However, I play a lot of Minecraft, so I am still curious about it, and how it'd line up with other scans.
Gotta say... love the drip. The drip is off the charts. Good to have you back Moe
look a youtube person i'm subbed to! haha cool
im doing my university dissertation on terf ideology and gender theory (philosophy undergrad!) and i'm extremely glad to see this video. definitely going to do more research on the studies and people referenced! this could not have come at a better time. very interesting watch :)
wishing you the best with your work! Hope i too can research such topics in my career :D
Uni has gone to sht I see
@@notfunny1410 actually, yes, but for entirely different reasons
@@hlichr7957 thank you! i hope you can too, its intensely interesting
@@notfunny1410 you can write a dissertation on a lot of things, and if youre in philosophy this would be a pretty appropriate topic
also why are you antagonizing people in the comment section
I'm in the middle with all of this, I have a standard for myself, and another for the rest of the world. I don't expect others to have the same experience, and I think this is how everyone should be.
I experience gender dysphoria, I plan to medically transition, I feel like something is wrong with me. But that applies to me, and me alone. Other trans people have their own way of being themselves, their existence doesn't negate my experiences, and my experiences don't negate theirs.
It's really not that hard to mind your own business, although it is a bit of a learning curve in the beginning.
Good timing!! The number of times I’ve had to (sigh) explain to doctors why I’m not interested in taking T but yes want top surgery… too many times.
Mo, you're back. Well come mback!
I didn't really start having dysphoria until I turned 18 and actually started thinking about my gender. I mean, I was always "shy" and introverted, and a very depressed kid and it was only when I got on antidepressants that I realised I was trans, probably because I was too busy with the other stuff before. To be honest, I feel quite isolated in this experience in the trans community. It's as if my dysphoria came on all of a sudden, or at least I realised that's what it was a long while into it. And thats exactly the narrative terfs use against trans people, you know?
I dont think I can really prove my validity as a trans person using transmedicalist standards, and I've sort of given up using any standards at all. I've gone back to wearing dresses, something I used to do a lot before I came out, because I feel like no-ones ever gonna see me as who I know I am anyway, why not just wear a dress?
This may end up being a very one year out as trans experience. Not sure tbh, that's kind of the problem.
love that moe is basically methodically taking apart transmed arguments and preconceptions while showing off their cute shirts and jumpers
Many trans meds have moved past the “needing gender dysphoria” thing and refer to it as “needing gender incongruence and not necessarily dysphoria”. I think both sides agree on more than they think they do… it just comes down to semantics (I.e. gender vs. gender expression). Can we all just agree to respect each other? Great video!
Does that include respecting females who wish to keep female-only spaces free of males?
@@ambientjohnny no, it doesn't include terf ideology.
@@moritzwagner4332 So why should anyone respect trans ideology?
@@ambientjohnny as if people do.
Really could have used this when I was younger and just learning what trans means. But it does help to unlearn transmedicalist views, so thank you!
Anxiety makes perfect sense, to others with anxiety. It’s when you say it out loud to others that it starts to sound silly. But it’s still real! Also you’re quite inspiring. Thanks to everyone here for being lovely and inspirational. Y’all keep this old woman’s hopes high for our future, which helps a lot as I’m quite often depressed.
I can always rely on Moe's videos to make me feel better after being misgendered consistently for the past week
ahh man im so sorry you've had to deal with that my friend :(
I'm glad my video could help make you feel a bit better
I'm pretty much at the beginning of the video, and I don't know if you will mention it, but I always felt like that transmedicalism is also very sexist, because it says that woman=female=woman role. E. g. when people like Blaire White make fun of women's body hair, especially when it comes to non cis women. As if it would be neccesary to feel ashamed about everything that society doesn't consider feminine to be a real woman. Or when Kalvin Garrah make distinction between 'real' trans men a transtrenders based on the fact that a real trans man will only have long hair if he is still recognisably male by society, and only a transtrender would be comfortable looking somewhat feminine. What they don't recognise is that by that they completely undermine their on arguement saying that gender identity comes from inside, because they focus on the distress that a person experiences not fitting into made-up gender roles. This also helps the spreading of hate towards cis people too, because it strengthens the idea that one only can be a real man/woman if the sign to every pre-described expectation society puts on them, completely dismissing the experiences that cis and trans people have with their own gender identity, because it doesn't allow experiences outside the box.
I also feel that I really should compliment on the effort that you've done. I'm very familiar with trans and gender issues but the way you explained gender and gender role was quite eye-opening, and I feel that I understand every term better, and I'm continuing the video. Also that blaser is stunning on you, you look so serious in that.
I needed this shit back in high school so, so badly. I hope this video helps out some other young trans person, so they don't try the same shit I did, and they realize they were always "trans enough". You're the GOAT, Moe.
I watched the whole thing and I feel like this video (and series) could be a centerpiece in trans education, a canonic piece to refer to.
Thank you for this! Thank you for the work and research you put in, it's wild to me how you do it, but kudos!
this genuinely means so much to me, thank you so much
Thank you for covering this topic. Im nonbinary/genderfluid, throughout my childhood and into my teens I would say I definitely experienced gender dysphoria as a full on mental health disorder. *(TW)* It got so bad at times I self harmed and had suicidal thoughts. *(TW over)* But in recent years (I’m 21 now) I’ve gotten more self-confident, self-adoring, and all around truly content with myself as my relationship with myself physically and mentally has matured. I wouldn’t say I experience gender dysphoria now, even momentarily. But I still identify and feel the same way I have since childhood. And for context, I have not done any medical transitioning, only social. And even then I still mostly “look” like my biological sex and am misgendered daily.
Everyone’s idea of their gender is not only unique but constantly changing and evolving. As a teen I thought a lot of the transmedicalist arguments you brought up in this video, but I’ve come to the same/similar conclusions as you as I’ve grown up. We don’t need to rely on extreme discomfort to be trans. We just need to *be trans.* I realized that while overcoming my own internalized sexism, because it allowed me to be comfortable with my gender as is, not having to externally prove it to anyone, not having to align with others’ ideas. It’s *my* gender, I am more than allowed to feel it just how it is. So is everyone else. But that’s what transmedicalists don’t understand
what you said about two people having similar feelings about themselves but using different labels within the trans identity is also very true for people on the asexual/aromantic spectrums. i could practically have the same feelings about sex and romance as another person, and identify on that spectrum, but only feel comfortable using different labels from theirs. it’s terrifying, especially when you want things to be simple, but also so liberating. i feel like people should be encouraged to share when they’re intimidated by complexity, rather than be shamed for it. there are ways to have these conversations without people getting hurt.
YOOOO YOU'RE BACK! THAT'S AMAZING
So glad to see you back, Moe! 💙
When I first found your channel around a year ago, I was "JUST AN ALLY, I SWEAR". You were one of many creators that helped me recognize & accept my transness... After a lot of trial & error & soul-searching, I found myself as a demiboy. I've taken a lot of steps in my social transition & am going to start the name change process soon!!
Thank you for making this video. It... Really helps. I want to be treated like the guy I know myself to be, but I don't want to take every step of transition & be cis-passing. Sometimes, I find myself at serious odds with myself, because there's that question of "If you don't want to be a convincing male, what makes you a guy?" & go down the invalidation rabbit hole. Honestly, that kind of shit is more distressing than the dysphoria itself... But you make so many wonderful, nuanced points in this video! It IS a weird nebulous phenomenon to know who you are, especially if the world's observations of you run in opposition to that. One commenter likened it to the feeling of love, which... Yeah. That about sums it up. We don't need to have evidence to prove we know ourselves.
I'm looking forward to the rest of the series!!
Hey, your schedule isn't inconsistent, you show up precisely when you need to. I can't think of a time I've gotten an upload notice and not thought to myself, "ah, thank god! Moe's take is just what I wanted to hear today!"
Such an interesting and sweet video! I normally have trouble focusing on videos this length, but you managed to keep me entertained. Thank you for you hard work! Keep it up 👍
The main issue I have with micro identities is that they foster isolation, and discourage connection with others. It encourages people who already feel alone to keep feeling alone. Rather than focusing on the commonalities shared, and accepting the wide range of "normal" for even a particular category, they emphasise these little differences that Capitalist culture likes to warp, so as to isolate us and make us feel like we _can't_ connect with others, rather than encourage us to seek out ways that we _can_ whilst still enjoying our differences.
Micro-identities aren't harmful to the LGBTQ community by way of "making us look bad," but because they have detrimental effects on our most vulnerable people -youth and those who are struggling with mental health issues- by first isolation from others, and then by commodifying those isolating differences for exploitation.
Those who want to make LGBTQ people "look bad" don't need micro-labels to do it, history has already proven that. Capitalism, on the other hand, thrives by isolating people from each-other, making them feel alone, and fostering chronic uniqueness in vulnerable young people to turn them into emotionally stunted adults who are more easily controlled.
i understand this concern, but i feel like it relies on the assumption that people who choose to use microlabels stay in their own little corner and don't identify with any... let's call them 'macrolabels,' like gay or nonbinary or bisexual etc. I use a few microlabels for myself when I'm analyzing my identity and experiences for the sake of learning about myself--the most specific would probably be enbian-oriented aroace--but in general, I just call myself aroace and nonbinary and leave it at that. it's kind of like musical subgenres; a band might define their music as queercore anarcho punk death rock with metal influences, but they'll still put 'punk' 'rock' or 'metal' in their tags for people to find them. another band might simply define their music as jazz or indie or instrumental, and that's good too! macrolabels help you find people like you, while microlabels can help explain your specific personal experiences. i analyze these labels not as a pursuit of uniqueness, i rarely even bring them up, but as a loving form of research. i research me-ology because i love myself and i want to know everything i can about them, even if i never publish those findings.
Caught this vid mid premier so now I'm going to watch it back but I just want to comment real quick. I've got out of my transmedicalism recently, it was basically me just trying to fit in within certain trans circles online, and trying to understand my complex experience through a simplistic lens. I never said anything cruel to anyone who didn't have a binary experience, but in my head I passed judgement (still do sometimes, working on it, it's pretty much just my own insecurity and dysphoria when I see someone who for example is a pre T-trans guy with long hair and feminine clothes, I'm pre-T myself and wouldn't feel comfortable doing that but I don't have to so I need to remember that).
I've also been struggling recently with feeling a sense of mourning for a comfortable, happy childhood I never had but could've had if I'd been listened to by my parents, and wish I'd been allowed to cut my hair etc. Does anyone have any tips for how to deal with this?
My advice would be to allow yourself to mourn if that's how you're feeling. It's totally understandable to mourn for the little you who didn't get heard or supported in the ways you needed back then. Take care of that little you that still exists inside you. Spoil them now! Let yourself play and surround yourself with people who give you that support now. Remember it's not too late because that little you is still here inside you now and you now have the power to get those needs met!!!
Last bit of advice, if you find yourself struggling in darkness, don't be afraid to ask for help or speak to a counselor or therapist. Sometimes it takes a while to find the right professional but don't give up! Once you find the right person, it can be invaluable!
@@staceyann1180 Thank you so much
As a cis LGBT person, I really appreciate how people like you help us to better understand and empathize with trans people. Thank you for taking your time to put something like this together and help us learn and become better people to each other!
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
5:15 What is Transmedicalism?
13:09 Defining terms
30:34 Different definitions of gender
34:22 Brain Scans
48:38 Gender Dysphoria
1:07:28 Why Transition?
1:17:08 Gender and White Supremacy
1:21:42 Let people explore their identity
1:24:59 Final Words (+ special announcement)
1:28:39 shhh cheeky bloopers
Oh gosh, Moe! 7 months! Congratulation!! It came out beautifully. Honestly, I needed this video in this exact moment. I'm going through a discovery journey myself and I could use new and actual terminology in order to be understood better. I may need to translate some of it in Italian though 🤔
Anyway, for all it counts, I'm proud of you and super thankful for this video, I'll be waiting for more, obvs. See ya!
Oh, sorry, I forgot to send some love! ❤
So happy to see a new video by you. You’re amazing at presenting these videos, comedy, music, writing, entertaining, drawing and so much more . I love all your content and it’s helped me through some hard times and to find myself. I’m so thankful for all your videos and I wish you the best in life and your projects.
Ahh thank you so much I really appreciate this 🥺
@@CopsHateMoe no problem I really appreciate the videos.
So glad your back. I was concerned about you. So looking forward to your video.
god I miss you please come back
new video tomorrow hehe
I personally identify myself as a transsexual man because to me the more strict box is what’s most comfortable. One of my main goals to feel the most right with myself is to make myself as close to a cis man as I biologically can. However, I don’t think I am any more deserving to be seen/addressed as male than a person who may not fully medically transition or present in a more feminine fashion. I think it just boils down to respect. It doesn’t hurt you to address someone properly. And I think it’s bullshit to put norms as the end all be all for someone’s identity. I don’t think my masculine identity is any more valid or deserving of respect than someone who may be comfortable without having to medically transition. Also I didn’t realize that I was trans until I was 17 because my dysphoria wasn’t as intense as I heard it was supposed to be. I felt a disconnect but it took me so long to realize that just because I didn’t have this acute “I am in the wrong body” thoughts constantly that I was trans. Luckily even though I will not be able to get my surgeries for a while, I’ve been able to learn to appreciate my body where it is right now and not feel cripplingly invalid.
transsexuals are valid.
1:01:16 "Sometimes people have periods in which they don't really experience much, if any, gender dysphoria, then followed by a reoccurrence."
That's basically what happened to me. Going through puberty, I absolutely hated the fact that I was growing breasts, and felt so uncomfortable and self-conscious about them. Then I learned to live with them, and they were just kinda there. Then I realized I'm actually a demigirl, and it made me realize I've never been comfortable with them. Now I'm constantly bothered by their existence.
So happy to see you again! 💛
YASSSS!!!! I am so excited for MOE videos!!!
Thank you for educating me about there not seemingly being a sexually dimorphic brain. I was under the impression that there was a least a general trend in the sizes of certain brain structures between sexes, but as you said, the most recent research has been done with larger sample sizes and included multiple ethnicities and as meta analyses, so the data is better.
How I’d interpreted all this was, transgender people’s brain structures generally aligned with the gender they identified with and had just assumed that for non-binary people they might have a mix, that mosaic phenotype you mentioned. I wasn’t transmedicalist, but I would still have used the sexually dimorphic brains, and the fact that people could have a mix of these different sized brain structures i.e. the mosaicism, as one point if trying to show a transgender identity is valid. But I won’t use it anymore.
This whole video is fantastic, but one part that really got me is when you were talking about all the different labels folks come up with. "These words don't have to make sense to you ... but they made sense to someone, and that's the important thing." That hit me square in the chest in a really good way. There's something so human about that sentiment, and I love it.
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Hey, Mo, glad you're back! This video is fantastic, your best work in my opinion. The wait was worth every second.
Last time you posted I thought I was cis, but it's been a while and a lot has changed. When I do come out, I'm going to show this video to my parents.
I can't tell you how much this video means to me. I honestly nearly cried when you talked about gender euphoria, specifically the example about hair. This exact thing happened to me. I liked my long hair, and I was comfortable with it. I was even scared to cut it. The moment I did cut it though, the euphoria I felt rocked my world. All of a sudden, I just knew it was right, and I'm never going back.
I would love to see you talk about Māori gender and colonization. I'm Māori myself, but I've lived in America my whole life so I'm very disconnected from my heritage. Hell, I don't even know my iwi and up until about a year ago I still pronounced Tauranga like "Tear-onga" 😅
Anyway, hope you're doing well, and thank you so much for this resource.
This video deserves so much attention, the amount of research is just insane!
Wheh! This video slaps! Challenged a few of my less examined views and expanded on some half assed feelings ive had. Thanks for the consistent quality moe.
yay !! thanks !
I love this and missed you! I just got top surgery last month (after YEARS of waiting) and I am the happiest I've ever been. Thanks for sharing your research, knowledge and explanations :)
I haven’t seen a new video from you in a while glad to see your back!
Gender and race are both social constructs. You can really identify with the social constructs and the reality that society has pushed on you from them. It's not a bad thing.
I do want to go out on a limb though and say, while I agree wholeheartedly, without clarification saying "race is a social construct" without explanation can lead to people identifying as "transracial" like Mr. London from a few months back. And while this certainly doesn't mean it's a "slippery slope" or whatever, just because they both are socially constructed doesn't mean they work in the same way. And require different talks about each one entirely.
Not to say you're wrong in any way. I just wanted to say this before anyone seeing your comment got confused and wanted to write a hate comment or something
@@ginger6readspaceman Yes, absolutely!
MOE'S BACK
Congratulations on being in a stand-up competition! I have wanted to try stand-up for a couple of years now, but I haven't had the chance yet, largely because of the pandemic
I’m super pumped to watch this!! So glad you’re back moe
I wanted to fact check you on something you said early on in your video, even though you said the word "probably". You are totally the reason I clicked on the video.
Don't get me wrong, the subject matter is super important -- and you do it justice -- but don't sell yourself short, we love to see you :)
WE MISSED U
Thanks for working so hard. The animations and music are really stand outs. This is a very helpful video.
Hi Moe, actually from what I understand about homosexuality it would not be just a gene, but a set of genes that would influence the development of human sexuality, but that would not be determinant and these genes could not be manifested. This would not rule out environmental factors in any way, after all, one thing interacts with the other. But this question only has all this importance because Christian conservatives are always threatening the rights of LGBT people with gay healing and taking away their rights in politics, so having science on the LGBT side can carry a lot of weight. There are not many reasons to condemn these identities as something immoral, the only justifications are based on religious moralism.
I’ve heard so many trans people both online and offline talk about you and your channel (positively) and I cannot believe you don’t have WAY MORE subs 😮
This was a lovely video and its really helping me work through many feelings surrounding my transition.
I absorbed a lot of trans medicalist ideas when I first learned that trans people existed (despite the fact I knew they were wrong). I knew I wanted to be a girl since childhood however I felt fake and like I wasn't effeminate enough even though I was and am quite stereotypically effeminate, (which is unsurprising considering I was pressured into being masculine all the time.) and therefore didn't have dysphoria and even refused to look up anything to do with the subject till it became to overwhelming to ignore. When I finally did look it up after accepting that yes I could just be a girl if I wanted to I realised that yes I definitely had what would be described as both social and physiological dysphoria which would need medical transition to aid with and had wasted years in denial over it. But I did get over the denial and I am hoping to start hrt around my 20th birthday and I am very hopeful and happy because of this.
TLDR transmedicalism doesn't help anyone not even the people that it claims to protect.
Don't let anyone ever tell you that transition of any kind is reserved for one group or is a process of giving up or suffering. Transition should be about making you as happy a person as possible. Stay safe.
I’m totally here for this🤩💕
Watched this video all the way through and it was 100% worth it. Your way of calmly explaining and dissecting all the little concepts and arguments relating to transmedicalism was super helpful. I've watched and rewatched a bunch of your videos already, and I have a feeling this is gonna be another one. Glad you stuck through those seven treacherous months lol
Moe, I really appreciate you unpacking this stuff. As a non-conforming trans man, I too once suffered from subscribing to transmedicalist ideology, and watching large parts of my communities reckon with and grow from this has been a healing experience.
Commenting because I want to encourage this to be shared. Transmedicalism hurts people. It's based in pain that causes its adherents to hurt others. It's not a crime that should be punished, but a wound that must be healed. A cycle of hurt that must be broken.
AAA IM SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS WHEN IT PREMIERES!!! I'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING IT FOR SO LONG AAHDBNSJ
A really great video, appreciate the depth of discussion while making it acceptable to the younguns
It took me a really long time to realize I was not cis, and part of that realization was actually because of my discomfort and internalized transphobia towards binary trans people. For a long time I thought I was "just a guy that didn't care about labels" and I didn't understand people who claim several gender oriented/sexuality/romantic identities in their bios. I felt a lot of discomfort with the idea that someone would want to label themselves because *I* didn't want to do that.
Now, I'm married to a trans man who began transitioning after coming out a second time (having lived a long time as non-binary) and it took a lot of introspection to really realize my discomfort with labels was my projection because of my own feelings. Only through talking with my husband and others did I realize I did not like others claiming of labels because I didn't want that for myself.
I still don't claim a trans identity, or even a sexuality that feels *fitting*. I picked "queer" because I don't think I can find a term more specific that could describe how I feel about both my sexuality and my gender identity.
Last anecdote; I never felt gender dysphoria. At least I thought I didn't, until recently when I thought about the *concept* of cutting my now-long hair and it TERRIFIED me.
I feel like I could've easily landed on becoming a transmedicalist or a transphobe, or a medical transitioner that then de-transitioned had I been exposed to a set of beliefs. Only after realizing that my desire for affirmation was one I needed to seek internally did I break out of my toxic thought patterns. I hope this video helps someone else realize why those ideas can be harmful.
Thank you again. Keep up the good work and I hope the beetles leave you alone.
Omg im so excited for this
What an insightful, well-crafted marathon. I was listening along to this and every time a section wrapped up, I'd think, aww, that sounds like the end of the video. But it wasn't! Seriously admire how jam-packed this was with thoughtful explanation and discussion of so many aspects and I could see using this as a resource/stepping-off-point in the future.
ahh thank you so much!!
The royal has returned.
A little something from M' Lorde while we wait .....
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