the never ending fight for women's sports
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Most of the ressources I used for this video are in french 😭 but I'll recommend you watch the Battle of the Sexes movie, it was an fun watch (I really enjoyed how the casual misogyny of Riggs is contrasted with the proper misogyny of the sports commentator, namely how while Riggs was being a clown, he's spent his career making sure that women wouldn't be paid equally, that women didn't belong to sports, etc.)
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One thing I've noticed in male sports is the growing interest of women in playing and/or coaching is being greeted with such ridiculous hostility. Girls flag football is growing by leaps and bounds here in the states and the NFL is openly encouraging it. We're seeing more women playing competitive football (American style) and also getting jobs in coaching and scouting and sharing their knowledge of the sport. But fans still ridicule. I don't get it. As a lover of the NFL, father of daughters, and teacher of female students, anything that gets more people, male or female, involved is a good thing I think. Hard to root out the Philistines though. Great video, Alice!
fellow American football player here! playing both flag and tackle I haven't found that there's hostility so much as passive agressive things: like when you play coed you really have to prove yourself before you get the ball passed to you. whereas if theres a guy they will get the ball passed to him regardless. also I had a coach say that "well, you can't expect to get paid bc there are just not as many people in the stands"
@@fulminisrecovery1264 Yeah, I've seen that too. I was just speaking from the fan perspective of male fans being triggered by female coaches or players getting interviewed by NFL teams or promoting flag football.
Men only have, football, gyms, cars and dicks as their symbols. Of course there’s going to be retaliation from their part as their "characteristically masculine/manly hobbies" get "infiltrated" by women. They are gatekeeping what’s left of masculinity. Sadly they don’t have much healthy representations of non-toxic masculine figures to better figure out their lives and deconstruct themselves. It’s time to help men figure out what masculinity is to them, without the sexism part.
@@pendragon2012 yea ikwym that happens too
Take an example from Daniel 😉
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I remember being actively discouraged from lifting and carrying weights as a girl so often, every time due to my supposed weakness. One time I helped with chairs after a school concert and a teacher *yelled* at me to drop the chairs and let a boy carry them. I was 15-16, the boy was 11 and quite small for his age. Now, I may not have been the sporty type but... surely I was stronger than a much younger and much smaller boy?? The people who deem girls weak are often the same people to not let us be strong in the first place
Wow, talk about being preconditioned to be weak. I spent 15 years in the fitness industry and I worked in a gym back in2007. The gym was getting new kit, so I along with a female member of staff was tasked with clearing out the old kitchen, dumbbells and racks. After a while Donna took off her sweatshirt to reveal an amazing pair of biceps. She saw my reaction and picked up some 70 pound dumbbells with ease. The inevitable arm wrestling challenge followed and she crushed me. People say that’s just an anecdote but it just demonstrated what women are capable of.
I was a very competitive girl, and I'll tell you, boys didn't tolerance losing to me since I was a preteen. The first time I noticed that was more than when my church held a trivia competition where we had to run and hit the hand of the "teacher" to get the right to answer the question first - when the guy who was my main competitor won, he smashed the pie in my face, and that was the rule, but the did that in such sudden, agressive way that some of the whipped cream got into my eye. At school, when teachers would decide to form mixed gender teams to play volleyball (I used to play as a hobbie, I almost went competitive and that time), there was always one guy who would target me in the attack, and by target, I mean he wasn't aiming for the ground to get the point, he was aiming on ME while using the maximum amount of force he could, to the point where my arms would be red, sore and swollen by the end of the matches. Their message was clear to me: " So you want to compete with the guys? Then take pain like the guys!"
When they say we're not as good as them, and when we try to prove our worth, they won't treat us like they treat the guys, they'll get overly aggressive and do anything to destroy our spirits.
It's all about human potential. I am dying to see female/ male mma and boxing fights. I think that would solve this issue once snd for all.
The play now and say to them to be aggressive as the want.
@@IronJhon788 Volleyball is not a fight. You can't even touch your adversary. What are you talking about?
@@IronJhon788 Already happened - Fallon Fox versus Ericka Newsome.
I remember I played badminton aggressively with my high school crush once. I beat him and he was frustrated. Such a huge turn off, what a p*ssy for not accepting my win 😂
It would be a shame not to discuss Kathrine Switzer who was the first woman to finish an official marathon, despite being attacked by a race official for attempting to do so. Her story is incredible and still fairly recent
Thank you very much. Sadly I didn't know her and just had a wonderful time reading her website.
@joyfuldays596no, it’s not. Kathrine Switzer ran in a marathon that had no rules about gender exclusion. It was a marathon open to anyone who wanted to join. I guess they just assumed no woman would join, since they perceived women to be weak and fragile
@joyfuldays596 Please educate yourself, your comparison is so stupid it hurts the brain to read it. No surprise from the misogynists, but this one is astonishingly stupid.
It's probably one of my greatest sources of resentment, how girls and women have to RECLAIM being present in our own bodies, because we're literally conditioned OUT of moving and being in ways that are natural. Running and kicking and throwing things, even sitting comfortably, are all so so quickly discouraged in little girls. It was made clear to me, at least, that my role was to sit still, while my brother learned to fully inhabit his body. I only gained awarness of my body when I started practising yoga in my teens - a socially acceptable, private, conservative practice for women in India. It really brings tears to my eyes to see these women changing the world for the better! ❤ Very much looking forward to the next video!
Most people don't watch women's sports simply because they mostly don't enjoy them It is because they are not as entertaining as men's games very simple I have never made fun of women's sports but it never made me find women's sports very entertaining? Honest view
I'm from Turkey, our women's volleyball team has been especially successful and in the spotlight recently and i've been seeing so many misogynistic people online just MALDING over the simple fact that women are being successful. An openly queer player of the team has also been at the receiving end of a lot of homophobia from the media, the internet, etc. Misogyny and LGBTQphobia disgust me but I'm also just incredibly happy as a queer guy that women are achieving great things despite all. Fuck the patriarchy.
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People don't watch women's sports simply because they mostly don't enjoy them because they are not as entertaining as men's games very simple I have never made fun of women's sports but it never made me find women's sports that entertaining?
@@anthonycosta128its not even possible to watch in many cases.
Ultra-runner Jamie Aarons recently broke the record for scaling all of Scotland’s Munros (mountains over 914 metres). She did it in 31 days 10 hours and 27 minutes, breaking the previous record by more than 12 hours. The guy who held the previous record is a former British Royal Marine. She kayaked, ran and cycled between the mountains, thousands of kilometres. The Scottish Mountaineering club began admitting women, I believe in the ‘90s.
On 27 July 2023, Kristin Harila and Tenjen Lama Sherpa completed the ascent of the true geographic summits of all of the 14 mountains over 8000 metres in 92 days, setting a new world speed record for the completion of the eight-thousanders. Nirmal Purja,who previously held the record is former British Special Boat Service.
These women have beaten two of the toughest, most capable men on the planet at two of its toughest challenges, they should be celebrated for that.👏
Yeah was going to mention ultra marathon distances. It's where the paying field is level and women are regularly beating the men.
Courtney Dauwalter is another incredible female athlete who I would argue is more famous than the other men at her level which is a nice change from other sports
@@lumiere930women regularly outdo men in endurance sports..my younger sisters goes to gym and does leg strength training.. She can lift heavier with her legs no man in the gym can with their bare hands.. with increasing female participation, i think it will soon be common for women to beat men in alot of sports..
For that women need to be encouraged and not shamed for building muscle strength and wanting a life long career in sports..
Earlier women used to be shamed for building strength and being tall..due to which women didn’t tried to enhance their physicality..which made women weaker..
It was a vicious cycle which needs to be broken..
Anecdotes are not the same as statistics.
Just because i know two proven cases of women lying about that they had been raped and men getting years innocently yailed for that befor it came out dosen't mean that in most of the cases of rape accusations the women lie or that the two problems of rape and lying about being raped are 50/50 or are happening in the same magnetuide.
The same logic applies when a woman beats a man in a Sport. First and foremost when a woman devoted her entire life or beeing to break a record.
....but this is the problem the knowledge that anecdots are not statistics only counts for so many of us when it fits a narrativ of a group or a certain political movement likes it. Sadly this also is the case with many many feminist groups.
No the only difference between women and men is not just the ability to give birth , althoug so many feminist wrote that in 70th and 80th and still belive it and someone like me wich holds that position isn't rightwing or wants women to be opressed as much as people like you want me to be in order to feel like heros and resitance fighters.
Claire Bannwarth is another one, she recently finished hard rock (100milez), won Tahoe 200 first overall a week later and shortly after got the fasted time in the Colorado trail unsupported.
What about the US women’s national team losing to an under 15 squad 5-2?
Or the Women’s Australian soccer team lost 7-1, to 15yr olds. I can pull up much more examples than you can.
I also had a person who helped me realize my potential, my male kickboxing coach. He had no agenda, he trained everyone to the limit and celebrated all our successes. he made us play mixed from day one and focused on us learning from each other that boys and girls competing. he paired us with an opponent of similar skill regardless of sex and developed a climate where viewing women as less than was unthinkable. I didn't become professional, but my love for the sport and how good i am is attributed to his lessons
Honestly, I find it so hard not to feel detachment from all sports, female or male. I’ve always been trash at them and in PE class when we played team sports (which was most of the time) I did terribly. The boys would get super competitive and start making me feel bad about no being able to hit the ball or whatever when I was in their team. I get that I was horrible, but still, it’s not like I was choosing to be there, the class was mandatory. Once they even made me cry, and after my teacher saw it he made them apologize, which only made me feel embarrassed for crying, but anyway. After all my years of PE I’ve tried avoiding team sports as much I can, even when I’m with my family/cousins.
I also sucked at PE and team sports. In high school I had one good teacher (he danced with me when all boys would rather have zeros than gasp touch my hands). The other teacher was gross and would mock me and made gross comments when I said the balls made me afraid. I knew the problem wasn’t me because I had been pretty good at an individual sport which I unfortunately had to quit . Spraining my ankle and not being able to do the classes was the best.
My mom was super sporty in her youth and I grew up watching some sports with her, especially when we got cable. They would air so much figure skating back then on Eurosport. We still do it.
Alice! Your words brought me to tears today! So much of what you said resonates so loudly in my mind. As a child I was always playing and rough housing with the boys and I absolutely hated the concept of "like a girl" when it came to sports, so much so that I began to hate my femininity. Today, I'm a varsity athlete and have been working really hard on unlearning the internalized mysogyny I grew up in, I'm radically embracing my feminity and girliness without sacrificing (or even thinking that I need to sacrifice) my strenth and athleticism. Thank you for creating the content you do, your words are always so thought-provoking and encouraging.
blablabla all girls have the same "origin story" and they are all uninteresting.
I’m glad you mentioned the part about queer women. People often forget that even within marginalized groups there’s also bigotry. It infuriated me how WOMEN commentators in my country were like “why can’t they do that in private” when a female player kissed or showed affection towards their partner after games during the World Cup.
Lesbians, please. Not their, her.
We are women, we are lesbians, don't erase our identity.
@@AA-cf4es pan and bi people exist. Also there was a trans enbi on the Canadian squad. Nice troll job
@@AA-cf4esThis. “Queer” just means “annoying heterosexuals”.
@@MrJ1GS4WGender ideology is diametrically opposed to women’s rights.
@@ElSenoritoTroll “Only if you believe your rights are dependent on your gender.” What? Firstly, how are you using the word gender? Are you using it linguistically, as a euphemism for biological sex, gender roles, or some speculative “gender identity”?
Transgender ideology is diametrically opposed to women’s rights because idea that a male can be a woman legally destroys the legal capacity of women to develop policy in defence of themselves. See: prisons, domestic violence shelters, lesbian bars, *women’s sporting leagues,* bathrooms, change-rooms…
7:41 To be completely fair, football rules regarding kit do not forbid the use of longer or baggy shorts, nor the use of not fitted shirts. Those are player choices.
I have been a hockey player for many years starting early as a kid (8yo?) and as you described all the grils in the team progressively quitted the years passing by. It was a small club and at the age of 14 I ended up being the only FLINTA in my team. The coach started to violently criticise me at every game, saying I was making the group slower and more prompt to loose. The training got more intense and especially targeting my weaknesses to prove his point. His son was even harrassing me online for me to leave. A year later I left completely destroyed and depressed with a massive competition anxiety. This video makes me emotional because I wish I would have I had the strength to protest and dennonciate this sexist behavior at the time. Now at 24 I'm trying to get back into competitive sports but the trauma is still there and I still feel stuck at using my full strength and stamina. If we want more women in sport we also need more women and queer coaches, more trauma informed sport trainer and teams, more love and support in sports as competition is mainly the beautiful energy that moves people and their passion. Looking forwards to your next video on the topic Alice. Thank you for your work 💜
this comment is so powerful, thank you for sharing. I've been born and raised in california (not exactly a hockey state) and I was never particularly athletic or interested in sports, but in the past year I've become a pretty big hockey fan. the amount of misogyny and general bigotry in the hockey world can genuinely be overwhelming sometimes - and that's just to me, a casual fan who occasionally makes the mistake of opening the instagram comments under a post about a female hockey player. i hope you are so so proud of the accomplishments you made when you were younger & i seriously wish you the best of luck in your journey with sports :)
@@janeh9962 Thank you for such a sweet answer
I personally think that there is a huge amount of history in women's sports that has just been (purposefully ?) forgotten.
My mother played in the Frauen-Bundesliga, Germany's premier football league, from 1993 to 1994. The only easily available evidence that it ever happened is a short Wikipedia page that basically just lists the participating teams and the overall results. Only the name of one player can be found, and I guess the names of all other players will sadly just get lost to history.
There is even less available information about the Regionalliga (regional league) from that time.
Most matches were held at best in second-grade stadiums. Quite often it was just a so called "Ascheplatz", which was usually made out of slag from nearby industries.
I think my mom stopped playing football sometime around 1998 or 1999, but she still had some small stones or small pieces of slag under her skin, especially around her knees, until around 2010.
While she was playing football, she played on several teams, and usually most of the players were either bisexual or lesbian. On one of those teams played a trans woman and, from what I understand, it wasn't a problem. She was allowed to play without any restrictions.
Many players were also either engaged in feminist movements or progressive politics.
During the time my mother was playing football, it was often referred to as "Emanzen-Sport", basically a sport for women who are in favour of emancipation, this was used as a kind of insult most times. I don't know how often or even if it was a commonly used name for it in the media, but it was certainly something that most men said. Most people, usually men, didn't even view women's football as sport at all, because in their mind real sport could only be played my "(real) men".
I think over the years a lot has changed in regard to women's football, but it is still common to her men say something like: "if would be playing they would have done this so much better even with then this women's team could ever do it", when a player does not make a goal or something.
You wrote several paragraphs to an issue that can be summed up by popularity. It wasn’t popular and it didn’t garner enough attention or money. She’s you’re mom and she’s awesome we get it but if there isn’t enough revenue she’s not gonna get payed a lot and not going to get better training equipment, stadiums, fans, and gyms. Sports aren’t played by only real men they’re played by both men and women this is an opinion that most people have. I’m sorry you have such a grotesque opinion but it simply isn’t true.
My mom was a football fanatic and she was obsessed with Ronaldo9. I fell in love with football because of her, however she never moved watched women’s sports. Similarly my girlfriend loved the World Cup matches yet she never tuned in for the women’s World Cup. Women need to start supporting women and stop relying on men to bring it attention and popularity.
No most people don't watch women's sports simply because they mostly don't enjoy them It is because they are not as entertaining as men's games very simple I have never made fun of women's sports but it never made me find women's sports very entertaining? Honest view
@@MOMO-m0m0how does popularity work?
I can't wait til part two. I don't watch or read much stuff having to do with sports, but when I do it's always through the lense of zooming out like this and it's important for everyone to think beyond the score.
Me too 🥰
It's pretty nice to see that in some emerging sports like climbing the inequality between men and women is significantly reduced. E.g. the IFCS Championships have men's and women's events interleaved in the schedule without a particular preference, and same amount of attention attention given to either, and both male and female star athletes are well known.
Though also it's a kind of event where you don't get many spectators who don't participate in the sport, so dynamics are somewhat different from mass appeal sports like soccer or tennis.
Thanks for another great video! When you mentioned that women are used to "not using too much space", it reminded me of my old karate club in the early 90s. It was a relaxed club, equal proportions of women and men, mostly students, and good mixed instructors. Every new beginner course they had one lecture to teach people (mostly new women) to not be afraid to put power into strikes. You were expected to do the blows with full force, but have enough control to stop them just before the impact. It was evident that many women struggled to aim a blow at full force against a friend. When they saw they actually could do it they almost always said it felt very empowering. Young men usually had more problem with perfecting the control, but that took longer to remedy.
Sports Fans (with exceptions) can get vile really quick and also homophobia in sport are some pretty big obstacles to deal with.
More power to the women’s teams who’ve been killing it recently.
Women are only good at beating other women lmao
Most people don't watch women's sports simply because they mostly don't enjoy them It is because they are not as entertaining as men's games very simple I have never made fun of women's sports but it never made me find women's sports very entertaining? Honest view
I am a male lifelong football (soccer) fan and this Women's World Cup brought up so many emotions, the quality was so good and had progressed so much in just a few years. In playing coed football I could always see the issue was not enough girls played with the guys and felt comfortable, but the ones that did were fully capable of being just as good despite many sexist comments even by the losers (like Alice mentioned). I think the total difference in capitalization rate between men and women in sports completely eclipses the "biological" differences, and the differences in the quality of the men's and women's game so much comes down to culture and representation. If those were equal we would likely still see some difference, but my point is that it not clear that the biological physical difference is nearly as large as the cultural attitude difference that exists currently.
A real football fan would never call it soccer lmao you're not one of us. Keep watching women pretending to be men
Something I've noticed as a long term fan of both mens' and womens' football: the mens' game just has much better presentation. When you're watching at the stadium the womens' game feels just as fast paced, but on tv, when the whole thing is filmed by a single steadycam vs. eight different high quality angles? Of course one looks more exciting than the other. The broadcasts often start and end with the matches too. People forget that sports are only as relevant as we make them.
@@Rosenrot0eme this has got to be the dumbest delusional comment Ive ever read in my life and of course its feminist-induced lunacy
@@Rosenrot0eme this dude really out here pretending if mens football is more fast paced, its because there are more cameras just LMAO feminism turned men into child supporting welcome mats. If you're a woman, then you're just coping like a good femoid
Pour les francophones le documentaire "toutes musclées" sur arte apporte une analyse très complète sur ce sujet
Here in The Netherlands there is maybe one national sport where the men's and women's categories receive the same praise: speed skating. And I can really only think of one reason, which is exposure. Because the men's and women's tournaments always happen simultaneously and are both broadcasted live, we're all really used and familiar with both female and male athletes. It really helps to normalize it all, and no one in their right minds would say it's boring to watch or that women are less talented or whatever.
i woke up this morning and thought this exact thought. what synchronicity !
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I thought the point you made about wanting girls not to "play like girls" from a feminist perspective is very interesting. Shows how girls in sports can still be under pretty intense scrutiny compared to boys even from someone who thinks from a feminist viewpoint
Have seen many of your videos and this one is the crown in the jewel - inspirational, personal, very informative and enlightening for a man. Looking forward to Part II - hope lower viewership won't discourage you to conclude this topic.
Funny bc I've been thinking about this ALOT lately, i hope you make the next video longer or maybe even do a series because I think its a HUGE topic and actually affects the health of so many people negatively, and also because hearing this just felt incredible comforting! :')
The same issue of gender in sports exists in the world of professional chess, which is interesting to compare with the more physical sports you focus on here. In chess, there have been longstanding debates about “inherent” sex-based strengths/weaknesses that “naturally” make men more dominant players, but they are centered on mental capacities (you can probably guess how that story goes….) rather than the physical (although competitive chess *is* physically demanding and of course physical sports require mental strength too). There are infamous Bobby Riggs of chess, although there is growing respect and recognition of female players in recent years. One intriguing data point about it being more nurture over nature in chess ability is the fact that the current top women chess players are Chinese and in China the training of top prospects among both girls and boys take place together from an early age so that girls are competing with boys as they grow up and develop, rather than being segregated. Food for thought.
Also the sxual harassment women in chess face can't help!
@@joandarc4643 Sadly, yes.
I mean the best woman is still 200elo below the best man. And she never has the courage to participate in the mixed section to compete against men. Dunno what you were really trying to prove there. Plus I'd argue men of color had way more disadvantage historically than any white woman when it comes to chess but it didnt prevent them to outperform them clearly. But eh let's tell to women what they want to hear.
@@warnaoh Pretty obvious what my point is-that girls seem to benefit from early age by training and competing together with boys rather than being segregated, regardless of relative elo ratings. Hou Yifan has gone on record saying as much. Not a complicated idea to grasp.
@@GeraldFigal Then again your bullshit only works in a world where all women were disadvantaged compared to men which viciously ignores the advantages some women (particularly white women) have against men of color.
My father is a football coach, I can vividly recall once when he returned home from football practice with my brother. He sat down and told me and my mother that whilst he had been training the boys team there had been a girls team on the field also practicing. He said that one player in particular, was so good he believed that she couldn’t have been a girl. “It was like seeing a boy play” because he is so narrow minded, so deluded that he believes that all things girly are inherently inferior.
Your Father is RIGHT.
Men are physically stronger and faster while women are more flexible than men. It is biology 101. Men were used more in the military and building infrastructures for a reason since the dawn of human existence till today.
Your father is correct women are weaker than man
Come fight me see how touch you are
I am girl that always did all sorts of sports, encouraged by both my parents. Most of my training groups were dominated by men. My biggest issue was that they only take you seriously if you are EXTREMELY good, otherwise your effort, perseverance and skills are nothing for them. And then there are the boys that are hurt when you are better then them.
15 years ago, the Michigan High School Athletic Association lost a court case and required girls and boys sports seasons to occur at the same time. Example: girls played basketball in the fall and boys played from December to March. I don’t have the exact data, but I felt it took away a recruiting advantage in our state since more recruiters would be able to take a closer look at our players while most other states were in their off seasons.
Thank Ttile IX in the US for really boosting female sports in America, and thus the world. It esentially grants women the same funding as men in schools and university across the country. I am not sure if something equivalent exists in Europe and elsewhere, but it is crucial!
I lift weights, and I began a while ago. It's something I love and enjoy, and at this moment in my life I feel extremely happy and confident... However it hasn't always been like that, I was afraid of using all my strength because in my mind the idea of "I can't do this because I'm a girl" was stuck. It has taken really long to destroy those thoughts and I'm happy to say that I've proven myself wrong.
Another great video!! Here in Australia, the Women's world cup games featuring the Matildas saw unprecedented levels of viewership and support. A lot of that was thanks to their star player, Sam Kerr, who is surely a role model to many. Professional sports are as much about the narrative as they are about the skill.
The culture needs inspiration and the women are delivering 👏
Every year until I was sixteen, on the last day of school they'd have us do a sports day. We did volleyball and football, first the girls and then the boys and always divided. During the football one i always had so much fun :-) But it always bothered me how to the girls they would give this cement area (I was usually goalkeeper, and god if my knees were bloody) , and to the boys a proper football camp. No one would come watch while the girls played, we also wouldn't have a referee or anything lol. It felt like it was just so meaningless to anyone else that was there, while for me it was easily the best part of the entire school year every single time; it's still a memory I'm fond of nevertheless
12:05 thanks for including this bit. so touching, gave a lot of perspective. another fantastic video
If you're looking for some more stuff to talk about in part 2, just a couple days ago the university in my city just broke the world record for biggest women's sporting event (lincoln, nebraska USA vollyball) been having a lot of conversations about capitalism in college sports with people about how quickly our city turned on its football program and now seems to only care about the women's volleyball team because its a better money making opportunity. The volleyball team has been like the only consistent team to win matches the last few decades at our school with the football program being famously terrible (but still beloved) every year.
it makes me so mad the way that every woman who is unfunny, or bad at sports, or bad at videogames, or whatever gets used as "proof" that all women are like that. the way women are viewed as a monolith and therefore have to display excellence in every way just to prove that women as a whole are not inferior. it's so exhausting
as a female volleyball player i can easily say that men don’t want to watch women winning.
Turkish volleyball is very intrigued right now with the national league and european league. but as long as it is women winning and some queer women on the team as well, people are suddenly not very interested in it. if it was men winning some cup for football or some man getting awarded for mvp again and again it would be the best thing ever but things change when the situation is not what they want it to be like.
and i’d like to add women who has power to change things for younger generations put their money and power to make it better for young ones. men usually don’t do that.
I' ve always been horible at any sports i tried to play, as a child i hated the P.E. classes cause i was terrible and couldn't play anything and could see the other kids making fun of me ( not even the boys, the girls also). Now that i'm 21 i've been feeling that i need to go out and do something with my life that i enjoy and i started playing tennis for free and i've been loving it even though i'm still terrible, going out to play has been making me feel so much better mentally. One thing that i think is important is that the Beach Tennis classes i go are for free is a program that the administration of my city created and the coach is nice to me and the other people that are trying, the tennis club is for all the ages and there are some older women who are moms and they have been encouraging me to play. Its really important that programs like exist and specially the enviroment is nice so people don't feel ashemd if they are not good.
I think there’s a special place by way of subsection for black female athletes. I remember reading the press about Serena vs (any other) look at the adjectives (x) then look at how the other girls were described. X is essentially masculinised and brutish. Powerful and aggressive. Even the likes of Mary pierce, who was muscle bound, were feminised. Some of serenas rivals were every bit as aggressive (I say competitive ) . And people don’t think we’re in a white supremacist superstructure 😂 👏
Exactly. I always notice that.
The same arguments against black female athletes are being used against trans women competing as well. Many people said black athletes had an "unfair advantage" and were "brutish" and "terrifying". Then they said the same about black women in particular, claiming they were like men, and claiming black women had an "unfair advantage" and could harm white women.
Now they are saying the exact same thing about trans women, and *shocker* most prominant trans women athletes are black, and most of the prominant critics of trans women in sports are white.
Coincidence? Not likely.
@@ecocodex4431 Yep! It all sounds very familiar. 🤔
@@ecocodex4431they're also at times just straight up equating the two groups as an insult. Like the people who called caster semenya or brittney griner trans as an attack.
@@ecocodex4431Wow a dude is being described as a dude 😂
I grew up doing biathlon and with such incredible women in that sport to look up to, and being part of local fan groups who cheered for the women just as much as the men (if not more - as we had a local champion athlete). I'm so grateful for that, as I realised when I got older that such equality was far from common in other sports. The ski jumping inequality was absolutely unhinged at one point - the men in charge were acting like women's uteruses would fall out or some shit! It's been a long fight, most recently for ski flying (bigger hills than ski jumping) but things look like they're FINALLY changing! Still, annoying to hear ppl complain that it's less fun to watch the women jump as they don't all jump as far as the men - completely disregarding the fact that they've only had a few years of even being allowed to try!!
The Finnish pesäpallo championship league (pesäpallo is a derivative of american baseball, created in the 1910s, considered almost a national sport) has had a women's champion team declared since 1931, and a proper females league since 1955. I just checked out the viewership numbers for the finals from the Finnish broadcasting company, and they were:
Men's 4th final: 166 000
Women's 4th final: 148 000
Women's 5th final: 142 000
Men's 3rd final: 142 000
Women's 3rd final: 106 000
The numbers are pretty small in total, we're talking about a niche sport that's only played in 1 country :D
The final's are played in a best of five, and for the men's league it was resolved in the 4th match. The women's final series was phenomenal, with both teams incredibly equal in terms of performance. It was a real nail-biter until the very last minutes, when it was finally resolved. To be fair, these numbers don't count any other streaming services where you can also see the finals, since the finnish streaming service Ruutu doesn't publish its' viewership stats. I'd still say that atleast for pesäpallo, the numbers are pretty good.
I really liked this video - thank you. When you spoke about the pride you had at being able to compete with boys - that really resonated with me, and of course it also meant that I had some internalised misogyny, which it took me a while to overcome.
It wasn't just about the idea that girls couldn't compete with boys academically or physically (although there are physical differences), for me I was also rejecting a lot of things viewed as "feminine". For example, I wanted to study psychology at university the first time around, but instead opted for International Relations - believing psychology to be a "girly" field, which was less academically rigourous.
Although, it's obviously important that women are able to be part of areas traditionally seen as masculine, I think it's also important that we don't denigrate traits, activities, academic subjects and jobs traditionally seen as feminine - including not liking sports etc. This only serves to further the idea that women are inferior and to prevent men from engaging in areas of life that are traditionally feminine for fear of appearing weak.
It's clear that all genders exhibit a range of both "masculine" and "feminine" characteristics, tastes and aptitudes and I suppose that an ideal situation would be that it's just ok to be who you are - and actually in some ways we're moving forward in this, despite attempts by some to promote toxic masculinity, which is damaging to all genders.
Most boys feel the need to rank everything, and identify with #1, as though rooting for Team X vs Team Y makes them a part of the glory they imagine. The lucky ones grow out of it, but many don't. We see it in the riots after "their" team wins or loses some game. And we see it in the reflexive need to prove that men can hit the ball harder, and that admitting to such a monumental discovery is vital to human progress. I think humanity would progress more if those boys would just relax and not "correct" people about which player is "best".
Good post👍
this is such an important topic that is rarely talked about, this was very educating, rlly looking forward to part 2!!!
I hope we see the same breakthrough in eSports where gatekeeping and shaming on the internet is the norm.
that thing about girls not knowing how to overhead throw really has to do with not being given opportunities to play and throw. And I'm not saying that opportunities aren't there just that there are a lot of societal pressures to not play and throw and sit and color and draw and make bracelets instead-take it as someone whos worked in kids sports camps in the states where overhead throwing sports dominate. It doesn't matter bc theres so much pressure for girls to not participate
These strong women are an inspiration to us all, they are the very best of humanity. Brings a tear to my eye seeing them reaching new hights and new rights.
Keep fighting.
Call me naive (because I am) but can somebody explain why full body power movements seem so alien to so many feminine people?
I'm a parkour coach and practitioner and am continually perplexed and saddened by how many people, usually young women, are unwilling to jump or sprint.
She mentions it after the halfway point-ish
@@rickyspeople the part about "not wanting to take up too much space"?
That's exactly the part I need explained. How is using your whole body "taking up space"?
And is there anything I can do as a male coach to convince them that it's ok or is that something only a female coach can tell them?
@@NicholasVanSwol it's because girls are trained since birth to consider who they are, and what they do from the perspective of how that might look. Being subjected to, and coached for, constant objectification since birth means the object self and the true self are as one. If you do the moves in a way that isn't in service to traditional feminine (& white) qualities, your proximity to desirability (or attention. Both mean power) lowers. This equation happens all the time because we are taught that life is a 0 sum game.
Being unafraid to get ugly, look ugly, takes bravery. Sometimes you need to break the seal. Get ugly in front of them! Get silly. Lean into your own femininity. Practice with blindfolds on.
@@rickyspeople Hm.. while I've never been expected to be feminine, I do remember what it was like to think everything I do or say needs to communicate my masculinity/desirability so I can definitely empathize with that part.
I think i also see now there's a sort of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't because even "succeeding" in demonstrating physical power would mean undermining the limited power and status granted from meeting the traditional feminine standard right?
"Get silly. Lean into your own femininity." Nows thats something I can do! :D
@@rickyspeopleHahahahhaha what nonsense
For 100 men interested in Sports, 1 woman is interested in sports.
It's men essential who fund women's sports.
As a martial artist that teaches Karate and Muay Thai for a living, women's MMA is more entertaining for me than men's MMA. Men subconsciously use their increased natural strength as a crutch in the octagon in order to gain the upper hand. I find it a bit boring. Whomever is stronger wins. Women have less muscle mass and force themselves to train the speed and quality of the techniques in order compensate for reduced strength. It makes for a much more enjoyable viewing experience seeing the flawless punching, kicking, grappling, and tactical strategy that women have to utilize in order to win.
I watched these young Japanese women skateboarding at the olympics and noticed something similar in them. They were far more about technical skills rather than raw power and used the fact they were lighter than men to their advantage. They were really impressive. Womens gymnastics seems to be treated equally if not even more highly than men's for the same reasons.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 About technical skills, japanese people tend to be shorter and smaller than most countries and I've noticed that football/soccer teams (men's or women's) emphasise ball technicality to make up for their smaller stature. It absolutely works too, both teams are highly skilled and a joy to watch.
I’m so glad I had the opportunity to grow up in a sports-loving family in Connecticut in the 2000s. The UConn women’s basketball team was always on our tv, and even after we moved to another part of the country, we were still going out of our way to see UConn games in person. No one in my family even went there lol. Growing up in a sporty environment where high-level women’s sports were treated with the same respect as their men’s counterparts, I was lucky to always have positive female athletic role models as a young man. I idolized Mariano Rivera and Ray Allen just as much as Maya Moore and Sue Bird. My sister’s sports teams were treated with the same importance as my teams, and she actually played sports all the way thru the collegiate level.
All of this seems very normal to me, having grown up around it, so it has always baffled me to encounter the intense misogyny that so many male sports fans display. Especially as a soccer fan who’s active on social media, its impossible to escape the misogynists and homophobes frothing at the mouth every time the women’s game is so much as mentioned.
The root question of all this is that, in order to be percieved as respectable as humans, or simply "not meat", women are expected to buy into the males rules of competition and civilized recreation of warfare that is international sport. Which of course on one hand is very possitive that women are allowed to explore fiercefullness and get validated for this; but it does not translate to a revalorization of human care work and nurturing by men. When it does, like in cooking and sewing contests or shows; it gets assimilated into the same base assumptions of competitivity and personal glory. Like the "me too" movement gaining tracction only after well known and respected actresses started joining into the "me too" and "break the silence" movements; it's sad to see that the sexual abuse of coaches and male representatives of female sports; only gets media attention after the proffesional women athletes have conquested some goal that is positively viewed by men. If we don't get validated by reaching to the economical, politacal or cultural top by male standarts; we have no voice still. Whcih of course, is not of much help for the majority of women who are prevented from even entering the competition.
i was happily playing local football with thee boys... till i turned 12 and was told i was not allowed to play anymore. Living in the country side there was zero opportunity to join non exisitant womens teams... it would have meant a 2 hr one way drive to get there ( driving 20min - no public transport to the boys games was already a lot to ask)..... so i gave up all interaction with football forever more. I thought about joining the women team in uni - but my dad pre-empted that thought with "but they are all lesbians"
Not sure if it's related, but I'm deeply upset by the ban of trans women in women's chess tournament... Why does men always think they have so much to say in women's sports, I do not understand!
They ban them because fake malen have an "unfair advantage" to women.
thanks for talking about this
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I played community futsal and almost always had a mixed and men's team (over a period of about 12 years). It was always so hard to keep the girls/women playing in the longer term. They'd be reliable, we had a team culture of trusting them in all roles and involving them in the play (unlike many of our opponents), and the passion was clear to see.
Yet, few girls stayed at the sport for more than two or three seasons and almost all were young, playing as an extension of youth sport. Once adults, the sport gave way. Support from the girls' families was often lacking, and I cannot recall any who loved the sport enough to follow a team week to week, which almost all the guys did. Recruiting female players was basically constant work, and finding a replacement if we had an absence was really hard.
I always wondered what were the hidden reasons I wasn't getting, because I don't have the female experience of life.
FWIW my partner, a very sporty lady, played all the way through. There was a role model.
Alkso, beach volleyball simply isn't legitimate sport any more than pole dancing or wrestling in jello. ;)
It's really quite simple, ask yourself why do less men like hair, make-up, beauty and fashion?
Nice intro, and some interesting points like the one on your experience of why those girls may not have used their entire weight while hitting balls, etc.
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Things have never been quite as bad in Ireland as it has been in other countries when it comes to Women's sports, which isn't to say that they've been great, just better in comparison to most countries, but that's mainly down to how big a deal sports are here in general. It's been heartening to see women's international rugby and soccer get more coverage here though, but the darker side of it hasn't been the treatment of the players, but in how Vera Pauw, the RoI manager has been treated, and I'm certain that a man in her position managing either of the international teams would've been put in the position she has. A bit like happened in the '90s with the men's team, she managed to pull the women's team out of obscurity. The difference is she became a victim of her success.
On the one hand, this might be a growing pain, but on the other hand, it should be a growing pain for the FAI, not the Irish women's soccer team or Vera Pauw, who is one of the most successful managers any Irish international soccer team has had.
My Mom was a semi-marathon runner during her teenage years through her mid twenties.
She participated to a few african continental competitions and commonwealth games, representing Cameroon.
The creepy trainers, made it stressful. To the point that my grandpa became her trainer and had some fist fights with some men.
The other part was the officials(national and international) sneaking in the teenage girls locker room under the guise of congratulatimg them, to see them naked, cop a feel.
While She never saw herself as a pro athlete, She loved It. But eventually gave up partly fuet to the constant harassment and low revenue back then(late 70's to 80's).
I can't imagine the amount of female athletes who had to give up their passion due to sexual harassment and abuse.
Everbody is a victim to you.
I think it's been interesting to watch women's sports evolve in America over the past four years especially. As a basketball fan, I have paid attention to women's divisions during this time and it's interesting how the tide has turned. Four years ago (if that), athletes complained that their gym facilities and transportations were not up to par of men's as well as their marketing being much lower and less respected. The WNBA, at least, has improved vastly in that time in terms of representation and is often cross-promoting with NBA groups (as well as talk of NBA members becoming part time owners of WNBA teams). I can't say they've even come close to financially being on the same level of success, but I've been enthused with how far the WNBA has come in a short time, especially with the rise of potential superstars with mainstream appeal like Sabrina Ionescu. I hope it continues. A funny tangent is that Billie Jean King was at a WNBA game I was at doing a brief cameo for something.
Also, not to be a little snide, but women's basketball on a university level was a lot more interesting than the men's during March Madness in 2023 and presented more substantial narratives on athletes. I'm thinking there's room for growth and acceptance across the board and I only hope it continues to even out in ways that benefit all athletes.
Before and just after the first world war womens football was massive in England, got really big crowds but the FA banned it
I liked the historical context this video provided and the emphasis it gave on gender and how much it plays into our ontogenesis, but the video didnt directly address the main dispute point that is thrown now-a-days in regards to women-in-sports; why are women paid less than men?
Its one of those questions where i took an anti-feminist position, and i would have loved more insight on it.
The stuff about girls throwing badly is very interesting. I've often wondered the same, let's be honest we've all seen a girl throw a ball in what could be described a 'girly' fashion (you all know what I mean) and it's different to the way an unauthenticated boy might throw something.
*unathletic
There's also issues in sports that affect racialised women and WOC (such as Coco Gauff [? Please let me know if I've provided misinfo and/or if I've misspelt something] effectively calling out the racism that she has dealt with, whereas a white woman player who is in her 30s takes issue with Coco calling out the racism against Black women, and WOC in women's sports and sports in general). Plus, sexism in sports is always in tandem with racism and transphobia against WOC and TWOC, and people need to remember this.
When you were talking about how no matter how good you are, you will never get the same rewards as the men do - I realised one very important thing. There is so much hysteria in 'protect women's sports' when it comes to transwomen, but I don't remember ever hearing the same in men's sports. No think pieces about bans and equality, how unfair it is (it isn't) and other silly arguments.
This is very simple, trans men aren't an existential threat to male sports. Trans women are an existential threat to female sports.
Trans woneb are dudes
Go fight a frans see how much of a disatvantage you have
The US women’s team does, they pull in less than 15% of the revenue and still get paid millions more than the men.
Did you notice almost everywhere they allow trans women to compete they absolutely dominate? There’s a reason why…you can feel and think all you want but its a fact most men are stronger, faster, and more athletic than most women. Our biology is different.
& you really a trans women who only transitioned a year ago won’t have an advantage? The evidence is everywhere they allow this to happen.
Merci pour cette belle vidéo Alice, pour la deuxième partie, j'aimerais te suggérer de voir l'équipe féminine de volley-ball de la Turquie. Elles ont gagné pour la première fois le championnat d'Europe, ce n'était pas seulement une victoire pour le sport mais aussi pour les droits des femmes et des personnes LGBT. Encore une fois, je te remercie pour ton contenu de qualité!
I can't wait to see the follow-up video! This one already was a banger!
what? the attire like tight fitting jerseys were not the players choice but mandated by the team or org? i didn't know that, ugh
Interestingly, the same thing appliest to girls in singing - they're quiet, trying not to take up space or be loud, afraid or unable to sing or even shout with all their body. It's very sad whenever I see it, there's so much lost potential, and so much they could gain if they weren't conditioned to be nice and quiet.
Ah, left-handed.
It seemed like you cherry picked small number of events that support your view that "women sports is not competitive", which is not clear considering women's sports now have all of the worldwide events as mens sports.
As for the competitiveness compared to mens sports you didn't mention key examples like the WNBA which is under criticism for their players controversy comments about the NBA. Also the fact that USAW soccer team lost to a 15 y/o boys while they were world champions is another example of the difference between male and female physique which result in the difference in competitiveness. You also didn't invlude Serena Williams and her sister play against a 200+ ranked mens tennis player and loose after which Serena Williams claimed the two categories are at different levels considering biological factors.
She always does that thats why she sidnt react to Brittany Ventis critique
Women here are delusional and the men are pathetic
As a long-life rugger, I'm really happy to see that women's rugby is taking off exponentially in the past decade or so. While the sport itself does have it's issues (mostly but not only related to class struggles) nothing equalizes more than a sport that is at its core honest about its brutality. I've seen it shape many role models and I've been lucky to have met several international stars of the game including having one play in our club for a while!
Maybe top tier female competitors can't beat top tier male competitors, but top tier women sure can beat the average male players.
Yeah is that something to be proud of? I don't think son.
Serena Williams got blitzed by a drunk smoker who was ranked 300th so no they cant
Women can perform some pretty amazing athletic feats, like in gymnastics and high diving. They are good athletes too.@@deeznutz8320
This comment is just a little ramble about a recent discovery I had. I know very little about tennis and tuned into the us open going on now and found it to be so strange that the men and women dont play the same amount of sets. Every other sport I have seen, the men and women play with the same format and rules and seeing that it's different in tennis made me feel like its a subliminal way of saying that women arent capable enough to play longer games. I tried looking into why its like this and ended up finding forums where men were discussing how unfair it is to men that women play less amount of sets in relation to money earned per time spent. Again, to me this difference makes it feel like the tennis federations want women to seem inferior to men.
I think it's a tradition thing that they don't want to change because outside of the majors (Australian Open, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open) all the men play 3 sets. It's funny cause the men's doubles went from 5 sets to 3 sets too.
As a tennis fan, I actually prefer the 3 set format more because the 5 setters just simply go for too long (especially when majority of tournaments are not time zone friendly). I tend to watch more women's tennis because of this. Also the quality between men's and women's isn't significantly different either. The only difference is their speed and strength which isn't a problem because the men's and women's are a different game, the women don't need to be as fast the men for it to be entertaining.
I think with sports, men's and women's games are different and should be treated as a different game as it's just a biological fact that men and stronger than women (on average). So it shouldn't be used to compare each other. They may need to use different tactics or techniques compared to men cause women aren't "little men".
@@RockinFootball_23exactly women’s sports is different and more creative..despite i don’t think physical strength matters that much because most of the sports is about creativity..not ‘physical strength’.. That’s the reason why in mma, hyper strong men aren’t set to compete with smaller men because then everyone knows who’ll win and it won’t be fun anymore …😂😂
Sincerely hope you talk about the movements in West Africa against french troops and french colonialism.
Africans rioting and burning shit like always
She is a westoid bougie liberal. She will never talk about this.
For at least the last 20 years or so, since the advent of the big serve, I have found women’s tennis matches much more entertaining to watch than men’s.
And I had the opportunity to meet Billie Jean King and she is just as wonderful person as you would imagine.
Simp😂
Remember when Serena got her ass handed to her by some random tennis player who drank and smoked for the matcb?
Women were allowed to ski jump before 2011, but they were not allowed to jump from the highest jumps until 2011 which is also extremely ridiculous.
Personally I find that our society already puts way too much value on competition, which I neither like nor understand, and I wouldn't encourage for more of it.
But I'd rather see men compete less than prevent women from reaching the men's level of visibility and recognition.
Has anyone seen the Emma Stone/Steve Carrell movie about the famous tennis match?
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@@estelasantos1917 It's quite well done. I was aware of a documentary on the subject beforehand, that you can find if a dramatization isn't your cup of tea
Emma (((Stone)))
I particularly loved this video - much to think about, and to feel about.
Please also look into the Brij Bhushan - Indian Women's wrestler protest. Brij Bhushan is the Wrestling Federation chief, who has been accused of sexually harassing women's wrestlers. The wrestlers had to protest, yet the government didn't take any action. In fact, he still is an MP and the Wrestling Federation chief.
More women should watch sports. This does not apply for all sports, but too many rely on men going to the games.
The issue with women sports is the lack of interest which means there is less funding in their sports. Women represent half of the population but only support women sports on a superficial level.
Your Billy Jean King example was cherry-picked. A much more recent example would be the defeat of both Williams sisters by Karsten Braasch. He was ranked 203rd at the time, and after the defeat the Williams sisters admitted they'd probably only be able to beat a man below the top 350th ranked male. There is no "equality" in sport. If there was equality, then women would have to compete in the same competitions as men, and as a result would come nowhere. There are only a very few sports where women can compete on a level pegging as men.
There's an incredible essay penned by one Kajetan Sadowski about how women are treated as disposable in martial arts, even in the spaces that claim to be egalitarian and welcoming of any and all genders. "DISPOSABLE WOMEN AND MARTIAL ARTS: AN ESSAY IN TWO PARTS" for anyone who wants to google it, but I'll also share a quote:
"Having these men in class is very, very likely to harm women. Or to drive us out, because many will see the writing on the wall the second one of these guys walks into the room and just won’t come back. We are collateral damage to their learning.
When we are harmed, or when we leave (and the overwhelming majority of us will leave), we lose out on the same opportunity for character growth that is so important to these men. We never get to build a healthier relationship to violence - and if there’s one thing that the majority of women in the modern world would benefit enormously from, it’s a healthier relationship to violence.
When you make the choice to include these men, you are also making the choice to exclude the women they harm."
What about chess? Is it possible for a woman to become the World Champion or at least qualify for the Candidates tournament?
No it's split by gender
What do you think about the women in the military,? They are required to meet the same exact selection criteria than men, yet they haven't been able to so far. What do you think about that?
I have been watching women's hockey lately it's pretty good gave up on the NHL years ago. Hey I suck at tennis it's not a game the working class plays generally. Even now if you are a poor kid you can't play hockey because of the cost of the equipment and rink time. I grew up playing on a pond and because of my Serb stepfather I good at football. Only snob sport I like is sailing but being a seafarering Newfoundland I think the upper classes co-oped sailing but it used to be a job not a hobby.
In Turkey, our national Volleyball team become a symbol for the secular lifestyle. With two championships in a row, it has great support behind. Though some still ridicule it by comparing the earned prizes with Men's Football team, they always meet with brutal response online. Our Volleyball team inspires a lot of young girls by being one of the few good things we can be proud of. My sister is one of them.
I may be developing a sapiosexual girl crush on you, Alice! *pronounced the French way, of course* 😍🧠 I really admire your tennis skills, too. I did drop it after age 16 or so, but mostly because it was too expensive. Love that you went on to instruct & remind girls of their power!! Happy to say I always “played hard” myself, otherwise what’s the point?
Thank you for your content, this is one of my favorite videos by you. I think society is at a turning point but we’re in the painful stages of change for now. Extreme over-reaction to departure from traditional & conservative norms for some people. But we know that exposure and repetition leads to normalization. People just living their lives. The more everyone lives and lets live (and does their m introspection to see what’s up on the inside), the closer we’ll get to stability & some sense of peace again.
Towards the beginning of the video, you mentioned that women’s sports have no reason to be directly compared to men’s sports, and I think the best example of that I have seen is volleyball. I played volleyball in middle and high school and continue to play recreationally in college, and I consistently notice that the way women play is a bit different from men. This is especially obvious when playing with a coed team. Men often try to “show off”, doing more aggressive, riskier moves, but miss far more often. Women, even if we are strangers, often have a stronger sense of teamwork and ensure that the ball is more controlled. For example, if the first pass (recieve) is wonky, the female setter will set an easier set, or the hitter will not try to do some crazy line-precise spike. Men also try to jump serve way more often and usually hit the net. And yet, men get far more attention on the court because of their high blocks and powerful spikes, while the solid female libero in the back may get far less recognition.
speaking from the US as a basketball fan, so many followers of the NBA go out of their way to speak of the WNBA with derision. algorithms boost such perspectives, to the point where many young fans are radicalized against respecting the women's game through the culture of mockery in the comments, without so much as a chance to engage with the sport neutrally. to me the cavalier dismissal of womens sports is rooted in consumer logic; valuing sport as a spectacle and not valuing sport in itself. how else can you see someone dedicate their whole life to reach the top of a high-skill field and laugh at them bcuz "no dunk". commodity morality.
My sport "Track and Field/Athletics" is an interesting case where there ARE 2 categories but the performances are almost universally respected in their own right. Take the 800m for example (the same race you mention in your video); ask any track fan including male ones: What was more impressive? the 1 minute and 56.03 second 800m time from Mary Moora to win Gold or the faster 1 minute 46.34 second 800m time from Marco Arop to do the same. Note this was on the same track, at the same World Championships this year. You would be seriously ridiculed if you said Arop. Why? Because his performance was simply less impressive. Mary's time is in the top 75 fastest of all time. Arop's is not in the top 7000 (not a typo!) In track your performance is solely judged against two things: How you fare against the competitors you are on the track/field with and the records in your category (World Records, National Records, Championship Records etc.) I just think it's such an interesting sport to consider when analysing the fight for women's sports.
So glad you made this. I’m a huge fan of women’s soccer (football, to all you non-US residents (also known as the rest of the f****ng world 🙄)). Was of course really disappointed to see how poorly the US ended up doing, but also excited for all the rest of the teams and how they fared. But this also reminds me of a more general point that I think is lost on a lot of people: male is not the default. It’s only one of two possible outcomes (most of the time) at birth that one then either does or doesn’t grow into as one ages and matures. But it is no more a default of reality than bipedalism or flight or aquatic living is for life on earth.
Anyway, really looking forward to part 2.
can anyone recommend other video essays about this topic?
The battle of sexes match was adapted in a movie (same name).
Let's remember the fact that Serena Williams has more Grand Slam wins than Rafael Nadal
It is absurd for anyone to criticise women's sports by comparing directly to men, due to the Laws of Nature. Women are clearly not small men therefore we mustn't compare directly. This, I thought, was the whole point of encouraging diversity in society.
It is women declaring how they are equal or better than men. Men are not saying this nonsense!
Sports to me in general is basically not that interesting. Part of my opinion about is mainly because it’s very male oriented and well, there aren’t many female oriented sports and if they exist it’s mostly getting viewers because the women show so much skin even though they don’t need to. Sometimes it just feels like people watch it because the women are attractive and that’s it. Then you have man b*tches comparing women sports with men sports saying stuff like the National women’s volleyball team would be decimated by a normal high school boy volleyball team as if we didn’t know women weak men strong already.
OK agree with you on first part that men watches female sport because they are hot or whatever but is was not the men comparing with women. The women starting with they demanded equal pay when they are not as good as the men. Do not forget who started this mess.