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Hey Chloe I'd love to see Malaysian Airlines flight mh17 as it is an interesting disaster that certainly affected people where I live and was devastating to my home country of Australia, and it sort of ties into the Russian Ukraine war going on right now, lots of love from western Australia keep up the good work
This throttle manipulation reminds me of Japan Airlines 123 and how pilots desperately tried to save their plane. Luckily, here we had some survivors. However I love that you began covering rather unknown accidents, it still amazes me how many details you are able to bring up and how informative your videos are! Cheers (:
In the few times that incidents like this have occurred, it always ends up being a pretty remarkable feat of flying, no matter the outcome. This flight crew had a couple things going for them - they retained *some* hydraulic control, namely to the ailerons, which played a huge role in navigating. The engines only had to manipulate one axis instead of two. In the case of JAL123 - the loss of the horizontal stabilizer made it impossible to maintain lateral control. Combine that with zero flight controls, hypoxia, and mountainous terrain, it's truly a miracle that they kept it aloft for as long as they did, let alone the fact that a few people survived. One common theme is that the crews of these aircraft all rose to the occasion and showed exceptional airmanship. None of them gave up... They fought till the end.
An absolutely wholesome story that came out of this terrible event was American businessman Robert Macauley's reaction when he heard of the crash. When Macauley learned that it would take more than a week to evacuate the surviving orphans due to the lack of military transport planes, Macauley chartered a Boeing 747 from Pan American World Airways and arranged for 300 orphaned children to leave the country, paying for the trip by *mortgaging* his house. I mean, wow. My hat off to you good sir.
@@spartan963300 The US didn't tell Macauley to save the children, he did it on his own. Citizenship has nothing to do with being a good or bad person, I think you'll find
Bro most their parents were literally killed. You cant literally give your kid away when you are literally dead. Some were literally half american citizens. When one of your parents are literally from the us you are literally considered a literal citizen literally. @SmD-ff5xd
I flew the C5 for over 20 years, including when this accident occurred. Overall, the video is accurate, however there are some errors, especially in the description of the “aft pressure bulkhead/ramp”. Also, my memory of the problem was that the design of the lock indicator lights showed that the locks were engaged, although in truth, they were not engaged. Great job by the flight crew, we all had to fly that scenario in the simulator to learn that power/pitch “phugoid” maneuvers.
@@ArtCurator2020 This is true. the freakiest thing i've personally had to deal with was driving a truck where the fuel gauge needle was bouncing all over the place for some reason or other. made it real hard to be sure if I was about to run out of fuel.
@@adotintheshark4848 Kind of a known risk really. So people attempted to avoid it. No one knew exactly HOW bad it'd be if this happened, but they knew it'd SUCK to be whoever had it happen to them.
In Year 11 a Vietnamese boy named Tri became one of our classmates. When he was 14 his mother put him on a rickety boat destined for Australia. I was always in awe of the love shown by his mother by putting him on that boat, because seaworthy they were not, it was a risk, in the hopes of a better life for her son and the bravery of this boy, getting on that boat, the sea journey, coming to a foreign land all alone, unable to speak the language..Tri was and still is to this day somebody who I have nothing but the deepest admiration for. Such a tragedy that what was meant to be a positive operation to help all those children and babies left stranded by the war in Vietnam were lost in an avoidable accident. RIP.
Beside the pilot airmanship the investigation into the crash is also a remarkable story to itself the crash site was looted and they only had 26 days before the fall of saigon on the 30th of april. Apparently the US Air Force had to award a bounty to those who can give them wreckage from the C-5A while a small task group from the US Navy search for the flight data recorder with the doors being discovered by helicopters.
I was 25 years old in 1975, and I can remember the evacuation of Saigon quite well. I was a real News Hound even back then, but I have NO Recollection of this accident being reported at that time. At least not on the 3 broadcast networks, ABC, CBS, & NBC. I read the Sacramento CA Bee everyday, and I saw lots of local new reports too, but I come up empty with any memories of this accident being reported. And it's legitimately such a big deal that I can't believe that I would've missed it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me either that Washington DC would want to suppress such bad news at the point where America was suffering such a humiliating military loss. "The evacuation of S Vietnamese from the rooftop of the American Embassy in Saigon is America's last gasp effort to prove that 58,000 American soldiers didn't die in Vietnam for Nothing." ... Eric Sevareid, CBS News commentator, April-05-1975.
This accident brought to light a lot of issues with the C5 including wing cracking and fuselage early metal fatigue. If I remember correctly the C5 was grounded for a time to figure out this door issue and a number of other issues this accident brought to light of poor government oversight of defense contractors and manufacturing processes along with maintenance procedures. On a side note I’ve seen loaded C5’s take off when I was stationed at an expeditionary base in Africa and between those turbofans screaming and the plane looking like it’s lumbering down the runway like a slow moving Ox you end up staring in disbelief when the thing actually rotates on Vr let alone actually gets in the air!
Might not quite be the same, but if ever there was a flying elephant named "Dumbo" and you were in the circus tent to see him spread his ears and take off... I think this sort of spectacle WOULD come awfully close to that feeling! ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 you ain’t lying I saw that plane go down the runway and I thought no way is that thing get off the ground! It’s engine’s screaming for all their worth. When it finally got in the air an air force enlisted airman laughed at me and he said, “I feel the same way every time I watch one of things take off.”
@@matthewcasey5059 I was a teen at an air-show the first time I ever saw a C5 taking off, about an hour after I'd gotten the "ten-cent tour" and heard the introductory speech about it's cargo capacity and all... SO fresh from that "up close and personal" first impression, I was watching the behemoth lumbering down the runway, and "Dumbo" immediately burst into my mind... like watching an elephant trundle along, ears flailing, the engines were "screaming" and runway steadily getting "eaten up"... I couldn't help giggling... even as the nose seemed to "impossibly rise"... Then as it seemed to "gird its massive loins" and the mains left the ground, there's just a mystifying sensation of "JEEEZZZ... It actually worked!" I kind of expected some phantasmal "voice" of the wind to grunt for the effort of supporting the monster... "uuuUUUUUNGH!" In the Navy, from one air-base to another I'd occasionally see them take off in the distance, and that memory would only get refreshed and seared into my mind all over again. A smile and a chuckle still pops out EVERY SINGLE TIME... Nostalgia is a Poweful Beast... BUT here-abouts, I think you can appreciate my recollection of it... Can't help a chuckle or two as I type it here... haha ;o)
Wow it's crazy to me that there were survivors after the door flew off! Great video as always DB. Thanks to all the Patrons for supporting DB for those that aren't in a position to do so
one key here is, as he said, no one fell out of the plane. The explosive decompression didn't directly kill anyone, and it's not clear to me if anyone even died from altitude issues. The real issue was the fact the plane was unable to land safely. As you can see here.. it was in a LOT of pieces after it came down.
One of my favorite parts of your story telling is your excellent historical context you provide with each video. I’ve learned so much and it makes me wish you had a separate channel or playlist of history mini documentaries! Since you’re such a great story teller! Thanks so much Chloe!
We Just Had a 737 Flair Air that Overun Runaway and landed in a Farmer Field in Waterloo Ontario. NO people die few people Injured . Flight had 135 people on board.
This was incredible to watch, I was on this plane as an infant, and an thankful for surviving the crash. I was adopted by my parents in Iowa and I'm still living here.
would be interesting(?) to see if there's an increase/decrease in accidents due to poor maintenance during wartime. there'd be all sorts of problems in figuring that out, i think, but idk i'm curious. great video, as always!
I worked on ch-53s for the Marine Corps from 99-04. I can say that in Iraq, for me, overall rules were a little more relaxed during wartime but nothing to the point to where it was necessarily consistently dangerous for the pilots to fly. Nothing officially. Nothing that our flight control department set rules about. But yeah, sometimes that bird needs to fly for a mission, damn some of the rules.
I was flown to Australia on Operations Babylift as a Vietnamese war orphan on 18/4/75. Operation Babylift involved several flights to the US, UK and Australia. I was adopted and raised in Australia. This accident was obviously an horrific accident and tragedy. The pilots did an incredible job landing the plane. I have been to the crash site and paid my respects to the deceased with fellow adult adoptees from that time. It was a tragedy that took the lives of babies and children who never had a chance of life. And it took the lives of servicemen, women, foreign orphanage staff and others.
You have a very pleasant voice. I like this subject matter but so many channels in this genre have either no narration, or narration with a voice that irritates me. Thank you for not being either of those. Subscribed.
A very good video mate. I made a reenactment video of this accident in FSX a few years ago. The model I used looks practically identical to the one that you used.
There is allot more to that story. The air plane was delayed at clark field for a pressurization leak. I was a loadmaster on a c130 leaving clark to u-tapao thailand that day. The c-5 was overdue to saigon. The last of the viet nam war was taking place in cambodia with the airlift to phenom penn. People were dispatched from u-tapao to help retrieve the bodies. The door problems of the c-5 are simular to the problems of the c141 years earlier. We are are all very lucky to get any one back from the accident.Under the conditions of the aircraft.There are always risks involved with flying. Especially with war time schedules. Remember all aircraft doors that open out ward will fail........
Very good video once more and as we have come to expect. Production values much better in my view as irritating background 'music' under better control thus allowing the quality of the narration to shine through and be enjoyed without distraction.
The reason the error concerning the latches was ever discovered was because the ship I was on, U.S.S. Deliver ARS-23 was sent to recover the door pieces that blew off. (ARS-Auxilary Rescue Salvage, looks like a fleet tug, but 50% bigger) We were anchored I would say 2-3 miles offshore (been a few years, my estimate is only from memory) in a 5 point mooring position, two Danforth anchors off the bo , a stern anchor, and two box anchors at 90 degrees off both port and starbord beams. They were positioned at about 1/2 mile out, and drawn taut to prevent our heading from deviating from true North, as that was our guide for the search pattern. We deployed our two small boats, Mike 2's with dive teams and side-scan sonar in a grid pattern taken from the ship's heading and using the ships radar to track the cross-hatching of the pattern. It was HOT, long days, and a pretty fair North to South coastal current. Search op's started at just before dawn and went until dusk. It was over 45 years before I ever found out what had happened, I was 23 at the time and a Salvage Bosun'smate. Our next time in Vietnamese waters a few months later was to assist in Operation Frequent Wind by towing small civilian refugee ships from Saigon to Subic Bay in the Phillippines. The trip took close to 2 weeks. To this day I can see them just standing in the sun, no room to move for ANYTHING. On a deck about 90 foot long there were easily 3-400 hundred men, women, and children standing next to each other close enough that if one fell asleep they couldn't even fall down. The hardest part was chow. We had 5 hot meals a day and weren't allowed to give anything except WW2 C-rations to them. I KNOW they could smell everything we ate. After a few days it was hard to eat.
In inginerding parlance, we call it the phugoid oscillation. Normally transport aircraft are designed in such a way that most modes of oscillation dampen themselves out on their own when excited (by, say, a bit of turbulence). This is why a well-trimmed, well-balanced aircraft tends to require relatively small control input to keep on course unless flying through heavy turbulence. A good example of this is static pitch stability. When the centre of mass is just ahead of the centre of life, the wings lift up while the tail pushes down. When an air current nudges the nose up, the tail lift (which is downwards) reduces, dropping the nose back down. If both lifted up (i.e. if the centre of mass was behind the centre of lift), the aircraft would require control input from the pilot to lower the nose (which practically makes the machine unflyable), otherwise it'd just keep pitching until it stalled, and probably in an unrecoverable way. Coincidentally, this is why payload distribution is so incredibly important. Anyway, the phugoid... That's a very long-period oscillation, which depends on many more interactions than regular static stability, so it's difficult to engineer damping into it, and even more difficult to make sure it's damped across the whole flight envelope. As a result of the difficulty to engineer out the phugoid, as well as its relatively long period (meaning it can easily be kept in check by a pilot or flight automation), most airworthiness regulations DO NOT require it to be stable, though they do require it to be documented (frequency or period, and damping ratio). These regulations also assume that someone or something will always be exerting some sort of control over the airframe, so... yeh...
One thing that has me wondering with this is why don't airplanes have doors that slide open and closed? In the UA811 videoit was mentioned the reasoning for having the doors open outward is that it allows for more space inside the plane since you don't need to leave room for the door to swing, but wouldn't a sliding door also solve this problem, or would the mechanism be too weak?
it's all about pressurisation. a sliding door need to slide on a track. and to be able to slide on the track, a minimum of room is needed where the door and the track are joined together. A sliding door isint suitable for pressurized systems.
Hello good morning from Ohio, good content as always , anyway any chance of the disaster involving collision of an Air Mexico Dc9 and Piper Cherokee over Cerritos?
@@DisasterBreakdown Do you have like a to-do topic list for your videos? if so, how much is on it? it feels like every accident has atleast 1 or 2 similar ones, I imagine the list would get pretty long pretty fast
The one reason pod-mounted engines are everywhere today, even smaller regional jets is largely attributed to two reasons. One is reliefing wing bending moment, the other is potential for additional pitch control (because they are mounted below center of mass of a typical aircraft, there was considerable reserch into how to contol a plane when engines alone)
The biggest difference between the C-5A Galaxy and the Antonov 124 is that on the C-5A, the main deck is pressurized. The Antonov main deck is NOT pressurized, only the upper decks forward and behind the wing spars.
7:37 - I'm 90% sure that they call it "blood" because hydraulic fluid is _red_ and it simply looks like a plane is "bleeding" if it leaks the fluid. -- When control surfaces are cable operated it makes logical sense to compare them to muscles/tendons so it would make more sense to refer to the means of control surface operation _(be it fluid/cable/electronic actuation)_ as something like an _"Achilles heel"._ _(more finely what I mean to say is that they call it "blood" first and foremost because it's a red liquid and while it may fit somewhat naturally it's not/never would have become considered biologically analogous to a "fluid essential for human function/survival" if, for instance, it were blue...)_
So why fly at 23,000 feet? Why not something lower and probably safer, like 15,000 or so? That would've meant less pressure on the weakened rear hatch, and if that still failed there would be somewhat more oxygen.
Jet aircraft are more efficient at higher altitudes. You get higher true airspeeds and lower fuel consumption. They did descend to 10,000 after the door blew.
Not crazy, it just took us a while due to the current and the fact there was a war going on a few miles away. I was on the ship that was tasked with the job, USS Deliver ARS-23.
Hey Disaster Breakdown, is there anywhere I could listen to the music used in your videos? I'd like to listen to them while at work and stuff and I'm not sure where to look. Thanks!
Omg I thought of that character from Hey Arnold when he had to give up his daughter to live a better life bc of the war. And he went to live in the bording house with Arnold.
Not to back seat drive but, they knew the door was having issues. Had they just stayed below 10k feet and didn't pressurize the cabin this could've been avoided.
The plane was flown in from a remote maintaince shop in Alaska and the door wasn't utilized until after takeoff. I was on the recovery ship that found the door.(USS Deliver ARS-23) Back then the clamps weren't individually alarmed so there was no way to see if any weren't latched. That was changed on ALL planes after that,.... you're welcome !!
It's amazing how the designers of planes manufactured in the United States have difficulty designing doors and hydraulic systems that are reliable!!! There are dozens and dozens of "accidents" caused by these design flaws throughout history!!!
If you have never seen a C-5A Galaxy, it is hard to imagine how enormous it is. It's gargantuan. It makes a 747 look small by comparison. It's the biggest plane I ever saw. It rwally is incredible that more people did not die in this accident. I've always thought it to be brutal because of all the children who survived the horrors of war only to perish in this way. That's a shitty start and a cruel twist of fate.
There are millions of videos describing fatal airplane crashes on RUclips, but they claim that it is safer than driving a car. I started driving at 14 and am 80 now and I have never had or seen a fatal car accident. I think that air passenger carriers and manufacturers ten to exaggerate more vehicular accidents than car manufacturers exaggerate plane accidents. They both tout the extreme safety of their products.
The number of people killed in road accidents since the invention of the automobile have been well-documented by researchers with no stake in the aviation industry. You're just really fortunate.
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Hey Chloe I'd love to see Malaysian Airlines flight mh17 as it is an interesting disaster that certainly affected people where I live and was devastating to my home country of Australia, and it sort of ties into the Russian Ukraine war going on right now, lots of love from western Australia keep up the good work
Please next time narrate with a higher volume... But thanks for the post, I like yours....
This throttle manipulation reminds me of Japan Airlines 123 and how pilots desperately tried to save their plane. Luckily, here we had some survivors. However I love that you began covering rather unknown accidents, it still amazes me how many details you are able to bring up and how informative your videos are! Cheers (:
4 people survived JAL 123 by some miracle.
@@strahinjakerezovic104 thanks, I always thought all possibile survivors died, because they waited too long to be rescued!
@@strahinjakerezovic104 that miracle was that 4 survivors where seated at the back of the Plane which had less impact force:)
Throttle manipulation reminds me of United 232, where the flight crew managed to use it to nearly land the plane
In the few times that incidents like this have occurred, it always ends up being a pretty remarkable feat of flying, no matter the outcome.
This flight crew had a couple things going for them - they retained *some* hydraulic control, namely to the ailerons, which played a huge role in navigating. The engines only had to manipulate one axis instead of two.
In the case of JAL123 - the loss of the horizontal stabilizer made it impossible to maintain lateral control. Combine that with zero flight controls, hypoxia, and mountainous terrain, it's truly a miracle that they kept it aloft for as long as they did, let alone the fact that a few people survived.
One common theme is that the crews of these aircraft all rose to the occasion and showed exceptional airmanship. None of them gave up... They fought till the end.
An absolutely wholesome story that came out of this terrible event was American businessman Robert Macauley's reaction when he heard of the crash.
When Macauley learned that it would take more than a week to evacuate the surviving orphans due to the lack of military transport planes, Macauley chartered a Boeing 747 from Pan American World Airways and arranged for 300 orphaned children to leave the country, paying for the trip by *mortgaging* his house.
I mean, wow. My hat off to you good sir.
He subsequently founded AmeriCare which distributes aid worldwide. He was a giant of a man. Thanks for the reminder.
stealing babies is wholesome? Before you say the US had good intentions, look at some of the atrocities they committed in Vietnam.
@@spartan963300 The US didn't tell Macauley to save the children, he did it on his own. Citizenship has nothing to do with being a good or bad person, I think you'll find
@@spartan963300bro they literally gave them away
Bro most their parents were literally killed. You cant literally give your kid away when you are literally dead. Some were literally half american citizens. When one of your parents are literally from the us you are literally considered a literal citizen literally. @SmD-ff5xd
I flew the C5 for over 20 years, including when this accident occurred. Overall, the video is accurate, however there are some errors, especially in the description of the “aft pressure bulkhead/ramp”. Also, my memory of the problem was that the design of the lock indicator lights showed that the locks were engaged, although in truth, they were not engaged. Great job by the flight crew, we all had to fly that scenario in the simulator to learn that power/pitch “phugoid” maneuvers.
A false lock indication freaks me out a little bit, knowing that was a problem with the mentioned DC-10 accidents.
If a pilot can't trust his instruments, then what the hell can he trust ?
Instruments with false readings are worse than no instruments at all.
@@ArtCurator2020 This is true. the freakiest thing i've personally had to deal with was driving a truck where the fuel gauge needle was bouncing all over the place for some reason or other. made it real hard to be sure if I was about to run out of fuel.
Overall, the C5 had/has an excellent safety record. It is lucky that no other accidents occurred because of the door failure.
@@adotintheshark4848 Kind of a known risk really. So people attempted to avoid it. No one knew exactly HOW bad it'd be if this happened, but they knew it'd SUCK to be whoever had it happen to them.
In Year 11 a Vietnamese boy named Tri became one of our classmates. When he was 14 his mother put him on a rickety boat destined for Australia. I was always in awe of the love shown by his mother by putting him on that boat, because seaworthy they were not, it was a risk, in the hopes of a better life for her son and the bravery of this boy, getting on that boat, the sea journey, coming to a foreign land all alone, unable to speak the language..Tri was and still is to this day somebody who I have nothing but the deepest admiration for. Such a tragedy that what was meant to be a positive operation to help all those children and babies left stranded by the war in Vietnam were lost in an avoidable accident. RIP.
Tri living in the Seattle area ?
Large casualties of Children are sometimes the grimmest of all accidents
naw its just abunch of bebes!
@@lprophit average pro choicer
@@Jcaeser187lol what, we really gonna do this on a video like this? Be gone with political tomfoolery.
Dude, uncool
Beside the pilot airmanship the investigation into the crash is also a remarkable story to itself the crash site was looted and they only had 26 days before the fall of saigon on the 30th of april. Apparently the US Air Force had to award a bounty to those who can give them wreckage from the C-5A while a small task group from the US Navy search for the flight data recorder with the doors being discovered by helicopters.
I was 25 years old in 1975, and I can remember the evacuation of Saigon quite well. I was a real News Hound even back then, but I have NO Recollection of this accident being reported at that time. At least not on the 3 broadcast networks, ABC, CBS, & NBC. I read the Sacramento CA Bee everyday, and I saw lots of local new reports too, but I come up empty with any memories of this accident being reported. And it's legitimately such a big deal that I can't believe that I would've missed it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me either that Washington DC would want to suppress such bad news at the point where America was suffering such a humiliating military loss.
"The evacuation of S Vietnamese from the rooftop of the American Embassy in Saigon is America's last gasp effort to prove that 58,000 American soldiers didn't die in Vietnam for Nothing."
... Eric Sevareid, CBS News commentator, April-05-1975.
I do not get emotional about these disasters, but this one made me shed a tear.
Right with you this crash breaks my heart
Same here :(
All those poor children who had all their life ahead of them…
I've always been fascinated by this accident. Very tragic, but very interesting.
This accident brought to light a lot of issues with the C5 including wing cracking and fuselage early metal fatigue. If I remember correctly the C5 was grounded for a time to figure out this door issue and a number of other issues this accident brought to light of poor government oversight of defense contractors and manufacturing processes along with maintenance procedures. On a side note I’ve seen loaded C5’s take off when I was stationed at an expeditionary base in Africa and between those turbofans screaming and the plane looking like it’s lumbering down the runway like a slow moving Ox you end up staring in disbelief when the thing actually rotates on Vr let alone actually gets in the air!
Might not quite be the same, but if ever there was a flying elephant named "Dumbo" and you were in the circus tent to see him spread his ears and take off... I think this sort of spectacle WOULD come awfully close to that feeling! ;o)
Nah, I don't think this had anything to do with the wings. They wouldn't update the wings for another 13 or so years.
@@cefb8923 you’re right about the wings but it was discovered in the process of reviewing the accident and maintenance practices.
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 you ain’t lying I saw that plane go down the runway and I thought no way is that thing get off the ground! It’s engine’s screaming for all their worth. When it finally got in the air an air force enlisted airman laughed at me and he said, “I feel the same way every time I watch one of things take off.”
@@matthewcasey5059 I was a teen at an air-show the first time I ever saw a C5 taking off, about an hour after I'd gotten the "ten-cent tour" and heard the introductory speech about it's cargo capacity and all...
SO fresh from that "up close and personal" first impression, I was watching the behemoth lumbering down the runway, and "Dumbo" immediately burst into my mind... like watching an elephant trundle along, ears flailing, the engines were "screaming" and runway steadily getting "eaten up"...
I couldn't help giggling... even as the nose seemed to "impossibly rise"...
Then as it seemed to "gird its massive loins" and the mains left the ground, there's just a mystifying sensation of "JEEEZZZ... It actually worked!"
I kind of expected some phantasmal "voice" of the wind to grunt for the effort of supporting the monster... "uuuUUUUUNGH!"
In the Navy, from one air-base to another I'd occasionally see them take off in the distance, and that memory would only get refreshed and seared into my mind all over again. A smile and a chuckle still pops out EVERY SINGLE TIME...
Nostalgia is a Poweful Beast... BUT here-abouts, I think you can appreciate my recollection of it... Can't help a chuckle or two as I type it here... haha ;o)
Wow it's crazy to me that there were survivors after the door flew off!
Great video as always DB.
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one key here is, as he said, no one fell out of the plane. The explosive decompression didn't directly kill anyone, and it's not clear to me if anyone even died from altitude issues. The real issue was the fact the plane was unable to land safely. As you can see here.. it was in a LOT of pieces after it came down.
@@marhawkman303 you probably don’t know but she uses she/her pronouns. Just wanted to let you know.
@@Bjoery who?
@@marhawkman303 the narrator
One of my favorite parts of your story telling is your excellent historical context you provide with each video. I’ve learned so much and it makes me wish you had a separate channel or playlist of history mini documentaries! Since you’re such a great story teller!
Thanks so much Chloe!
We Just Had a 737 Flair Air that Overun Runaway and landed in a Farmer Field in Waterloo Ontario. NO people die few people Injured . Flight had 135 people on board.
I heard about that.
here in Quebec it was quite windy last night.Might be related idk
@@YanDaOne_QC might be
It's a miracle that anyone survived at all in such a situation, even though it's still a tragedy that so many people died.
This was incredible to watch, I was on this plane as an infant, and an thankful for surviving the crash. I was adopted by my parents in Iowa and I'm still living here.
would be interesting(?) to see if there's an increase/decrease in accidents due to poor maintenance during wartime. there'd be all sorts of problems in figuring that out, i think, but idk i'm curious. great video, as always!
I worked on ch-53s for the Marine Corps from 99-04. I can say that in Iraq, for me, overall rules were a little more relaxed during wartime but nothing to the point to where it was necessarily consistently dangerous for the pilots to fly. Nothing officially. Nothing that our flight control department set rules about. But yeah, sometimes that bird needs to fly for a mission, damn some of the rules.
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I was in the dark about this incident before and this video prompted me to research on the vietnam war. This video was very informative
Same here , some military operation like ops new life and ops frequent wind is just another drama of vietnam war history
I was flown to Australia on Operations Babylift as a Vietnamese war orphan on 18/4/75. Operation Babylift involved several flights to the US, UK and Australia. I was adopted and raised in Australia. This accident was obviously an horrific accident and tragedy. The pilots did an incredible job landing the plane. I have been to the crash site and paid my respects to the deceased with fellow adult adoptees from that time. It was a tragedy that took the lives of babies and children who never had a chance of life. And it took the lives of servicemen, women, foreign orphanage staff and others.
I can’t imagine what the pilots felt and how depressing they must of felt. But thank god I didn’t have to die for this content
There's a Mayday episode on this accident, and the captain was interviewed. He looked devastated when he was recounting the crash sequence.
Splendid video. Thought provoking. Love your North East accent. My mum (mam) was born in Chopwell. 😊❤️
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Watching more and more your great channel, looking forward to keep on viewing your material, congrats on your new home.
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Excellent video - it’s interesting to have learned a bit about the Vietnam war and an accident I’ve not seen covered elsewhere.
Also can we give props to those kids and others who just survived a plane crash only to get back on another one so soon? Man that's wild.
You have a very pleasant voice. I like this subject matter but so many channels in this genre have either no narration, or narration with a voice that irritates me. Thank you for not being either of those. Subscribed.
Great video again chloe very interesting and really well produced 👍 thanks
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I am so blessed. I was one of those children. But I came over on a civilian Pam Am 747.
Great video, thank you. Hope you have a nice safe move; looking forward to the next videos as always!
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This one was brutal. I mean, babies and kids...
Heartbreaking but not brutal it was an accident
Another great video... Congrats on your new place👌🏽
Thank you!! 😊
A very good video mate. I made a reenactment video of this accident in FSX a few years ago. The model I used looks practically identical to the one that you used.
It is. And it's actually the FS9 model of the Alphasim C5. And I'm guessing he's using P3D v3 to simulate this.
Yeah when you see that crash site it's a wonder that anybody walked away from this disaster. My dad did two tours in Vietnam from 66 to 68.
Hey mine too. ✌️
There is allot more to that story. The air plane was delayed at clark field for a pressurization leak. I was a loadmaster on a c130 leaving clark to u-tapao thailand that day. The c-5 was overdue to saigon. The last of the viet nam war was taking place in cambodia with the airlift to phenom penn. People were dispatched from u-tapao to help retrieve the bodies. The door problems of the c-5 are simular to the problems of the c141 years earlier. We are are all very lucky to get any one back from the accident.Under the conditions of the aircraft.There are always risks involved with flying. Especially with war time schedules. Remember all aircraft doors that open out ward will fail........
Very good video once more and as we have come to expect. Production values much better in my view as irritating background 'music' under better control thus allowing the quality of the narration to shine through and be enjoyed without distraction.
Speaking of cargo door issues, do you think you'll do a video about Turkish Airlines Flight THY981, and American Airlines Flight AAL096?
Yeah I will do it eventually.
Happy Holidays to Chloé and everyone else in the comment section.🎄🎁
Too early.
@@jirkamares3256 Not really. I'm not forcing you to get into the holiday spirit. Relax.
@@kiki1573 Its still November STFU
@@kiki1573 The US just had Thanksgiving, which is the traditional start of the year-end "holiday" season, so you're right on time.
It's still November my man. A bit early.
I'm just saying
Every Saturday is a highlight for me. This channel is TOP SHELF. I would watch an extended 1 hr video on Curiosity Stream
You're too kind!
incredible interesting episode!
Yes, finaly! Thank you so much.
You're welcome!
was what the pilot said when the crying babies finally shut up
Excellent video chloe!
The reason the error concerning the latches was ever discovered was because the ship I was on, U.S.S. Deliver ARS-23 was sent to recover the door pieces that blew off. (ARS-Auxilary Rescue Salvage, looks like a fleet tug, but 50% bigger)
We were anchored I would say 2-3 miles offshore (been a few years, my estimate is only from memory) in a 5 point mooring position, two Danforth anchors off the bo , a stern anchor, and two box anchors at 90 degrees off both port and starbord beams. They were positioned at about 1/2 mile out, and drawn taut to prevent our heading from deviating from true North, as that was our guide for the search pattern.
We deployed our two small boats, Mike 2's with dive teams and side-scan sonar in a grid pattern taken from the ship's heading and using the ships radar to track the cross-hatching of the pattern. It was HOT, long days, and a pretty fair North to South coastal current. Search op's started at just before dawn and went until dusk.
It was over 45 years before I ever found out what had happened, I was 23 at the time and a Salvage Bosun'smate.
Our next time in Vietnamese waters a few months later was to assist in Operation Frequent Wind by towing small civilian refugee ships from Saigon to Subic Bay in the Phillippines. The trip took close to 2 weeks.
To this day I can see them just standing in the sun, no room to move for ANYTHING. On a deck about 90 foot long there were easily 3-400 hundred men, women, and children standing next to each other close enough that if one fell asleep they couldn't even fall down. The hardest part was chow. We had 5 hot meals a day and weren't allowed to give anything except WW2 C-rations to them. I KNOW they could smell everything we ate. After a few days it was hard to eat.
Wonderful video again Chloe!
In inginerding parlance, we call it the phugoid oscillation. Normally transport aircraft are designed in such a way that most modes of oscillation dampen themselves out on their own when excited (by, say, a bit of turbulence). This is why a well-trimmed, well-balanced aircraft tends to require relatively small control input to keep on course unless flying through heavy turbulence. A good example of this is static pitch stability. When the centre of mass is just ahead of the centre of life, the wings lift up while the tail pushes down. When an air current nudges the nose up, the tail lift (which is downwards) reduces, dropping the nose back down. If both lifted up (i.e. if the centre of mass was behind the centre of lift), the aircraft would require control input from the pilot to lower the nose (which practically makes the machine unflyable), otherwise it'd just keep pitching until it stalled, and probably in an unrecoverable way. Coincidentally, this is why payload distribution is so incredibly important.
Anyway, the phugoid... That's a very long-period oscillation, which depends on many more interactions than regular static stability, so it's difficult to engineer damping into it, and even more difficult to make sure it's damped across the whole flight envelope. As a result of the difficulty to engineer out the phugoid, as well as its relatively long period (meaning it can easily be kept in check by a pilot or flight automation), most airworthiness regulations DO NOT require it to be stable, though they do require it to be documented (frequency or period, and damping ratio). These regulations also assume that someone or something will always be exerting some sort of control over the airframe, so... yeh...
One thing that has me wondering with this is why don't airplanes have doors that slide open and closed? In the UA811 videoit was mentioned the reasoning for having the doors open outward is that it allows for more space inside the plane since you don't need to leave room for the door to swing, but wouldn't a sliding door also solve this problem, or would the mechanism be too weak?
it's all about pressurisation. a sliding door need to slide on a track. and to be able to slide on the track, a minimum of room is needed where the door and the track are joined together. A sliding door isint suitable for pressurized systems.
Hello good morning from Ohio, good content as always , anyway any chance of the disaster involving collision of an Air Mexico Dc9 and Piper Cherokee over Cerritos?
I've mentioned it before in videos. I'll have to give it its own soon
I'm surprised this one gets overlooked so much. along with Alaska Airlines Flight 261. Both were kinda big deals in my neck of the woods.
@@DisasterBreakdown Do you have like a to-do topic list for your videos? if so, how much is on it? it feels like every accident has atleast 1 or 2 similar ones, I imagine the list would get pretty long pretty fast
just a week after the crash, some parts had already arrived at the Antonov design bureau office in Kiev
Industrial espionage as usual. No surprise why the Soviets were able to build the Antonov AN-124
The one reason pod-mounted engines are everywhere today, even smaller regional jets is largely attributed to two reasons. One is reliefing wing bending moment, the other is potential for additional pitch control (because they are mounted below center of mass of a typical aircraft, there was considerable reserch into how to contol a plane when engines alone)
The biggest difference between the C-5A Galaxy and the Antonov 124 is that on the C-5A, the main deck is pressurized. The Antonov main deck is NOT pressurized, only the upper decks forward and behind the wing spars.
You are wrong. The Antinov main deck is pressurized.
7:37 - I'm 90% sure that they call it "blood" because hydraulic fluid is _red_ and it simply looks like a plane is "bleeding" if it leaks the fluid. -- When control surfaces are cable operated it makes logical sense to compare them to muscles/tendons so it would make more sense to refer to the means of control surface operation _(be it fluid/cable/electronic actuation)_ as something like an _"Achilles heel"._ _(more finely what I mean to say is that they call it "blood" first and foremost because it's a red liquid and while it may fit somewhat naturally it's not/never would have become considered biologically analogous to a "fluid essential for human function/survival" if, for instance, it were blue...)_
I remember this crash for a long because my mum and my brother was this plane
So sorry to hear that 😭
An absolutely mortifying accident
I like safety pins, cotter pins, locking clips if they really stay locked, and safety wire.
So why fly at 23,000 feet? Why not something lower and probably safer, like 15,000 or so? That would've meant less pressure on the weakened rear hatch, and if that still failed there would be somewhat more oxygen.
Jet aircraft are more efficient at higher altitudes. You get higher true airspeeds and lower fuel consumption. They did descend to 10,000 after the door blew.
@@johnopalko5223lower fuel use and speed should have been sacrificed stay below 10k ft few comments mention this
crazy that they were able to locate the door after it blew off!
thats what she said
@@lprophit I suppose you tried, but you probably shouldn't have lmao
Not crazy, it just took us a while due to the current and the fact there was a war going on a few miles away. I was on the ship that was tasked with the job, USS Deliver ARS-23.
Good luck with your new home!
This accident was totally preventable
In hindsight that can be said about most accidents
Hey Disaster Breakdown, is there anywhere I could listen to the music used in your videos? I'd like to listen to them while at work and stuff and I'm not sure where to look. Thanks!
So sad, they created a better world by bringing people together in a tragedy, rest in paradise.
A harrowing story. Japan airline 123 phugoid movement plus DC 10 problems a difficult time for the airline industry.
Learning more about this crash makes me sad
I flew on a C5 twice. The seats are configured backwards.
Military state safer in crash landing
They should have never passed 9k flight level with the door issue.
With all those kids, I wonder if some can trace their line back to those planes. one huge timeline altering "moment"
What is a "Persident"?
This is so sad.😢
I was so engrossed in the story that I forgot that the crash happened and I was hoping for them to make it back to the Saigon airport
Another great video! Cheers
Thank you!
Can’t watch this episode. Too many bad memories tho I love your channel.
Excellent video!
Nice job Cloie. Magnus.
Outstanding information
Thank you!
Omg I thought of that character from Hey Arnold when he had to give up his daughter to live a better life bc of the war. And he went to live in the bording house with Arnold.
Reminds me on how we did prisoner transports on C-17s.. Not something I want to relive.
I haven't seen anyone cover the China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735 that happened this year. It was ruled intentional. If you wanna look into that?
Honestly impressively built plane to “crash” take back off, cross a river, and then crash a second time.
Babies 😢😢😢
Not to back seat drive but, they knew the door was having issues. Had they just stayed below 10k feet and didn't pressurize the cabin this could've been avoided.
ikr? should have been prison sentences, not awards.
2024 ive commented same stay below 10k ft
The plane was flown in from a remote maintaince shop in Alaska and the door wasn't utilized until after takeoff. I was on the recovery ship that found the door.(USS Deliver ARS-23) Back then the clamps weren't individually alarmed so there was no way to see if any weren't latched. That was changed on ALL planes after that,.... you're welcome !!
@@ImperialDiecast Don't be totally ridiculous. The crash was not the flight crew's fault.
Wow! I’d never known this story before. I wonder if the surviving kids have any memory of it.
Is that your own music at the 10:00 mark, or someone else's?
Eitherway, I like it, what's it called, any idea?
found a typo! 4:15 "Persident"
That was a great video
Glad you enjoyed it
It's amazing how the designers of planes manufactured in the United States have difficulty designing doors and hydraulic systems that are reliable!!! There are dozens and dozens of "accidents" caused by these design flaws throughout history!!!
congrats on the new place!!
If you have never seen a C-5A Galaxy, it is hard to imagine how enormous it is. It's gargantuan. It makes a 747 look small by comparison. It's the biggest plane I ever saw. It rwally is incredible that more people did not die in this accident. I've always thought it to be brutal because of all the children who survived the horrors of war only to perish in this way. That's a shitty start and a cruel twist of fate.
I remember the day when this happened, some times life is not fair. :-(
Damn how unlucky were those people on that plane.. first flight of the operation
The narrator is very specific & accurate in his descriptions of tragic events with thankfully a scarcity of unnecessary added comment. Good synopsis.
Saigon did not fall; rather, it was liberated.
Airplanes!
Thank you for sharing your investigation with us. It's a very sad story but some did survive. Praise God 🙏🙌
RIP to all 138 victims and good job captain Traynor and Co pilot Harp
Congrats on the new place...
ikutan sedih mister
The floor loading used in the lower decks is how the KC10s brought some of the Afghan refugees over the Atlantic.
There are millions of videos describing fatal airplane crashes on RUclips, but they claim that it is safer than driving a car. I started driving at 14 and am 80 now and I have never had or seen a fatal car accident. I think that air passenger carriers and manufacturers ten to exaggerate more vehicular accidents than car manufacturers exaggerate plane accidents. They both tout the extreme safety of their products.
The number of people killed in road accidents since the invention of the automobile have been well-documented by researchers with no stake in the aviation industry. You're just really fortunate.
I flew in that big ass place
During my army service
They're called 'Bui Doi', 'The Dust of Life', conceived in hell, and born in strife. - Miss Saigon.
I know this is a silly comment, but you mis-spelled president when showing President Ford.