Why You Shouldn't Lift Your 20 Year Old Jeep | WJ TJ ZJ XJ Grand Cherokee
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Today I woke up and decided I don't want to keep getting the same message of what should I do to my Jeep. I will reply do maintenance. The most important thing to do on a 20 year old Jeep is to Keep It Running! 😂
Now if you want to lift for most people a 2-3 Inch Lift with 31s will be more than enough. You will want to add extended front sway bar links (Get Quick disconnects), New Shocks ( Bilsteins are good all around), Front Adjustable control arms lowers (Preferably the full kit), A Arm Spacer or IRO A Arm is worth the money, and a Front Drive Shaft ( Dan Como or Danco Driveshafts facebook page), Adjustable Track bar, Along with all maintenance items. This will be the best build for most people.
Going 4-6 Inches You will want Shocks, Sway bar disconnects, Extended links for rear, Spring retainers, Extended Bump stops, Extended Brake Lines, Front and Rear Long Arm, Front Double Cardan Driveshaft, Rear SYE, Steering Kit like Trailforged, and Maintenance items.
Yes the Price to make the builds right is pretty high. That is the reason I recommend you focus on maintenance first and just get some All terrains. You will make it most places! And once you finish replacing all the worn joints and bushings then start looking into a lift kit and add on all the other things the kits miss.
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I've had my '99 since '05. Bone stock the last 17 years. I just rebuilt 42re trans at 229k (burnt bands) Engine broke piston skirt at 230k so it's at the machine shop now. Gonna be rebuilt Gonna rebuild the dana 35 (been noisy for years)and then put a 4"long arm kit cause now I'm an old ass 40 year old man and I do what I want. Great video and solid advice. WJ's rarely get love that's why I subscribed to you a while back. Keep it up.....
Years ago I had a IH scout with 31" tires and 3" lift. I put detroit lockers front and rear and I was going places that people with much more lift and bigger tires.
Nice! Lockers definitely make a huge difference
My wj 4.7 85k mile 6.5 inch lift 35 inch tiers and it runs amazing
Jesus how do I find a 85K mile WJ haha
Yep always consider the intended use of the Jeep. Mine is an old 1994 ZJ 5.2 that I had to replace many parts. Especially after experiencing severe death wobble. I installed all new steering parts 4 new springs, all 4 frnt control arms and added a basic 2" Rough Country lift with 4 HD shocks. It's not for trail or rock climbing, it's for navigating the rocky roads and being able to go through SLIGHTLY higher water on roads in monsoon season here in AZ. I suggest buying quality parts as I found that the cheapy Rock Auto trac bar is already worn out and sway bar links broke after 15 months of regular use. Now going with Moog for both of those things. Thanks for sharing your info and opinions.
Bought a rust free 2003 limited 4.7 HO 122 k that spent its life in New Mexico (gotta love the desert climate for preserving vehicles). Flew to Texas to pick it up at a dealer Friday morning and drove it back to South Dakota Saturday and the build began. 6.5 in IRO rock link pro. IRO exhaust. IRO frame stiffeners. Trail Forged OTK one ton steering. THOR intake (really opens up a lot of room under the hood). HKOffRoad Street Sweeper hidden winch mount modified by Bash to fit my APEX 12000 winch. Bash is the best on the internet, Great guy and great products and customer service second to none! 34 inch M/T Baja Boss ATs. 12OclockLabs speedo re-calibration. What a money pit....more to come. I think its a sickness really...lol
My 04 Cherokee 85 000 km runs like a beauty 2.5 inch body lift it's perfect
Killed it brother anything over 3in is a nightmare gotta get back in the game soon man been lacking content bad I’ll be back soon 👌🏻
It really is! Don’t worry I’ve been lagging to haha
04 little over 450k on it, (4.7 2nd engine, tons of new parts) 4.5 inch for now going to 7 inch soon when I get my long arms, putting in a rear axle with a locker and truss and adjustable a arm next, then onto the front axle and air locker! ...And every single joint up front! She doesn't look pretty but it needs to be a snow monster for me! As long as you can replace any part yourself or have someone that knows and can teach you I'd say the WJ is defidenly a good vehicle to build on
Yea it helps to be able to work on your own Jeep! Damn almost half a million is insane!
I'm running a 98 zj with a 5.2 on 5 inches lift an np249 tcase. 221,000 miles. I have a Rocky Road outfitters front drop arm kit with Rx links. All short arms. I can run 80mph on the freeway with no vibrations. Also, I have the factory driveshafts a Spartan locker and 33" tires. I've been on the Rubicon with this jeep. It's awesome and way cheaper to repair than a wj.
I got the 5.2 also on 34s and a 4inch with no lockers though! I've cruised at 90 no problems!! I gotta hit the rubicon someday since its right out my door!
@@the_fractured_mind these jeeps are a good platform to work with. We've got lots of trails up here but if your gonna try the Rubicon you'll definitely need some sliders.
@@garbageman1917 how does the awd perform with the 33s? I've been looking for someone near me to find out how the 249 does with the big tires and a much larger lift than I have, I have a 2 inch lift on my 98 special edition zj with some beat 31s and was wondering whether to throw on new 33s or new 31s for it
@@rayp2112 it does just fine. I will caution you that 33s will rub even with a 3" lift. And I'd suggest 4:56 gears with the 33s. 4:11s will do fine except your transmission will hunt for gears going uphill and you'll lose some mileage. About .5 per gallon.
@@garbageman1917 thanks for the heads up now I know i Def need to make my mud truck taller before I put the 33s I have in storage on that. I'll probably do new 31 inch mud tires, something like an stt pro or even a knockoff of one. I love the 5.2 with the awd it's just so capable. I have a 231 in my mud truck (95 zj with a 3.5 inch lift on 32s with some spacers) and I honestly prefer the 249 to the 231. Just wish I could sort out why my t case keeps not wanting to detect/stay in 4lo
Exactly, it's like sawing off your muffler to gain HP. It's a bs mo and a great way to throw your cash away. I did a full rebuild, motor, full suspension and frame straightened. Shocks. Seat cushions and upholstery. The coup d' grass was the new factory engine wiring harness. Why I had injector wires soldered to the valve covers. A testament to the forgiving nature of the PCM. But yeah, get your mechanicals together before going "full loco" with the 8" lift. You're looking at over 15K for a full gut and rebuild. That being said once the initial cash out lay is absorbed it's still less money than a 2017 WL2 with 100k on the odo.
I just installed a 6.5 inch lift on the rear of my Jeep replacing blocks. I am doing the sye and long arms tomorrow. It is worth it. I live in New Mexico and there are plenty of places you need a lift.
Nice! Doing it right💪
This was one of the best advice I have heard on RUclips!! Keep it up bro 👍🏼
04 wj new motor all new suspension plus Rusty 2.5" spring lift that's is it for us for what we want to do overlanding exploring the backroads. Stay safe my friend
That will be a perfect set up for you 💪
At some point I would like to do a 4" long arm just to better the ride.
98 ZJ rust and rot free 4.0 3" lift. I bought it as such. Pretty sure it was a Rubicon lift kit. Just swapped out the bad shocks for Rough Countrys. Solid steering the past 3 years I've had it. The stock fuel pump lasted 230k miles. She's been good to me these last 3 years. Front diff needs rebuilt as there's a lot of shavings in there. Still my daily ride.
I absolutely love my 2002 jeep grand cherokee laredo with the 4.0
Well said, I agree to think twice before lifting your vehicle. I have a 2002 WJ with the 4.0. Bought it new. I lifted it in 2006 with 96K on the clock with a 2'' BB by Rocky Road. Ran that 2'' in it until about 200K in 2014. Then I installed a 3.5'' Rocky Road lift and Kevin's offroad anti death wobble kit. Now in 2022, the ol' WJ is at 360K and all suspension components are worn and death wobble is becoming a problem. I just ordered all new suspension parts by Crown to bring it back stock. Love my old Jeep but now I just want less maintenance and I am actually excited about it being back at stock height. I guess I just grew out of the thrill of driving and maintaining a lifted vehicle. But for anybody who does decide to lift their Jeep, I get it, I've been there and can fully relate. Just plan on spending more time and money on maintenance than you ever would on a stock Jeep. And for me that time and money just isn't worth it anymore...
I put a lot into my WJ, and as much as I love the way it looks and love all the work I done to it and projects I installed (like huge overlanding electrical system, onboard air, steel bumper, winch, lift, wheels, roof platform system, etc)... I feel like I'd have been happier if I did it all to a new(er) jeep wrangler instead.
Yea probably especially with all the aftermarket support for wrangler! But the WJs are just as capable to
Yeah it's funny how WJ's don't really get as much attention as they should. They're in a weird space right now there's a crapload of them being retired and put out to the pasture. There's not a whole lot of repair parts and electrical harnesses etc out there for them so a lot of them are just held together with tape and zip ties. The real tricked out parts are all for wranglers for sure and YJ's. But performance parts for WJ's far and few between and expensive when you do find one. The one upgrade I would recommend if you're going to keep it stock height is the only thing would be the transmission crossmember cuz that hangs up and rolls rocks under you more than anything.
You should see the places I've taken my WJ. I have a rear locker that's it. I've gone completely through it and the restoration was countless hours and about 15k full suspension rebuild and as he says Engine steering first.
New springs with a slight lift and higher spring rate like OME and all new spring isolators will give you quite a bit of lift on worn out 20 year old springs and blown out spring isolators.
I have an ‘01 WJ. I replaced all steering and suspension parts with TRQ parts from 1AAuto. Then I bought 28s with 1” wheel spacers. It sits about 1” higher now which is great since I want to keep the lift as stock as possible.
Budget boost and all terrain will do lots of trail like LOTS
Yes it really will! Most people don’t need more than a small lift and good tires
A limited slip is pretty good too
Definitely a good move to
For sure, most of the ZJs I have had I picked one's with the factory tow package since it comes with 3.73:1 gearing and the limited slip in the rear end!!
It has made for a really good platform to build upon 👍👍
I just got back from a long out of state trip. Felt so nice to drive around my wj. Why I haven't been chatting with you on Instagram
yes you should lift it. why else would you get this model? (that means year as well) there are plenty of comfort cars SUVs that have way better gas mileage. this however is just a great Jeep. it's fun, it's a great looking vehicle, it's already a budget build when you buy it, but has the potential to be a beast, you can bring friends, so many more reasons as well. I say lift but that doesn't have to mean immediately. your words are right, save! but also budget, find deals, learn. learn everything about your Jeep! watch this channel! great content thank you for the videos. keep them coming!
that being said I have a mostly stock JGCthat will remain that way because I love how it looks. I have 4 others
Yes Black Friday is a Great time to buy! Maybe a video on that would be a good one! Stock WJs are very Capable on trails!
Im on a 3” IRO SPRING and bilsteins 5100 core 4x4 adjustable track bar and control arms all the way around except for rear upper, has movotech for now (saving up). I replaced all my front end last december with moog parts and hosnestly i love it man!! Love my WJ dont look at my parts list though $$😂😂
See that’s the right way to do it! Get the IRO Rear Upper you will love it! Easier to install
Do u have the rear upper a arm spacer?
Everyone can laugh and talk shit but rough country sells a long arm kit with everything in it 4" and is upgradable to 6" with just shocks and springs for $1700. Also replace worn parts and get rebuilt engine and or trans when you pick one up. I love my wj Overland and it "rides like a Cadillac" even when doing over 100mph but this lift kit that I bought will change that.
I know this is a lie because you said over 100 MPH😂 jk. Yea it’s not a bad Kit other than the Shocks, Springs, and Joints🤦♂️ haha which yea you can replace once they go out
@@NajarOffroad It might be laughable but definitely true. Just a fresh build on the engine and trans with a cold air intake and a 3" straight pipe and a tune. My original plan was to slam it and supercharge it but being that I have been a tech in an off road shop specifically jeeps and toyota for the last four years I got a liking for the lift it idea so I jumped in with a good starter kit. As things go out I will weld on new better joints and get better parts one by one.
$1700 is more than I pay for an entire car! And I've been offroad in backtracks around Australia to deserts and islands and Aboriginal lands that most people tooling around the burbs in their lifted Jeeps with the shiny wheels and monster truck tyres have not even heard of. But yeah, they look good
I run a WJ on 32s and a budget boost. I bought it like that and it’s been a beast off road but everyone’s gotta know their limits and their rigs limit. I’m planning on going with a 4 inch lift and keeping the 2 inch spacer for 6 inches total and then go for long arms and drive shafts after that. Also the 4.7 is AWESOME. That thing will power through anything without even flinching
Hi, do you have adjustable front control arms?
4LI6's are easy to work on.
Youngest and last vehicle with solid front axle plus unibody? Has it been a record for 18 years and keep going on? I am celebrating no matter what you did and what you want to do with yours as it's that special to own!
💯 it all depends what you need it for!
I love my 02 jeep wj overland .but its far from stock .it has a 5.9 magnum motor with 10 inch lift and one tone axles and 40 inch tires .
My 2001 has 334,000 miles an i Just put a 4" lift on it.. It's 2 wheel drive !! haven't even drivin it yet .. It's STILL in the garage. Got it from my neighbor for 700 bucks
For $700 that’s not a bad deal! What kit did you go with
Rough country
You lifted a 2×4? Sweet.
@@JohnStrandt it's the Exact same Suspension as a 4x4 just no drive stuff.. straight tube front axle on the 99 to 04 ! 🙂
216k miles and still kicking. 2inch lift kit. 12 hole injectors and 2 transmission about to get a 3rd one. So much parts have changed on it. Let's make it to 300k
Mine 217K 💪 no transmissions yet (knock on Jeep) haha
Yeah my '97 ZJ 4.0 selec-trac is just over 260kmi, had to change the bracket for the alternator and a new AC compressor and stuff but other than that it's been pretty reliable for the last 20kmi or so.
After running out of gas last year it started to buck and cut out taking off from a dead stop but once it revs up once it seems to run fine.. even though it's intermittent and only when accelerating from a dead stop I can't help but feel like it is a fuel pump that's either got it's little screen plugged up or just something with the fuel pump..
Anyway, I've held off putting the 3inch budget lift and extended shocks on it cause I kinda want to find something a little bit cleaner or lower miles etc.. maybe I will get a different vehicle for my next one, really like having 4x4, but something with better gas mileage would be great! Even a little more room for subs and stuff would be REALLY great 👍👍🙏🙏
If u get a lift, get the rest of the steering upgrades
I had an xj I loved driving at stock height. ended up lifting it and enjoyed it at first but the ride wasn't what I needed for a daily driver. in the end I wish I never lifted it. trying to chase down death wobble was so aggravating.
Death wobble is another huge issue when lifting a Jeep good point👌 I struggled with it so much
@@NajarOffroad yeah all though I hated dealing with it I learned a lot about the steering and suspension components.
Should i fix my rear main seal leak or just give it a quart every 1000 miles :p
Hi, nice and honest Video as always!. My wj is almost all stock, I have spent money on maintenance (all fluids, hose, pcv, cooling system, ignition, o2 sensor...), the engine and transmission are running good, and it has 2-inch booster and 31'' just because I like the way how it looks like, I will check into replacing the front control arms as you recommended.
Really good video!
Thanks 🙏
Hi, what kind of upgrade are you going to do to the gearbox??
I got a 2004 WJ 4.0 and i was thinking on rebuilding my transmission (42RE). Do you have any tip ?
Red top most likely. I don’t have any experience with transmissions other than removing and installing them
Thanks for your information makes sense.
Hey i just bought a jeep cherokee laredo lifted 2003 with 160000 miles is it amy good?
Yea that is good! Definitely do some maintenance and it will last you
I want a high quality complete 4” lift. Thankfully I’ve the funds so that’s not an issue. Recommendations? Thanks.
“Most these jeeps are around 200,000 miles” lol they just got broke in…
😂 hey my I6 needed head work at around 160K but I think that was the previous owner not taking care of it
@@NajarOffroadOther then a $50k JK. what would you replaced yours with?
Hi 👋🏼 was doing a 2 inch lift and wanted to change over to a 17 inch rims. What’s the best size AT tire I can fit without trimming or rubbing? Was thinking of spacers as well, no off road just looking for the look!
I wanna do a lift that’s decent for some snow(I don’t get too much snow maybe a foot at most). I was wondering what would be sorta a good lift size the 2” or 3”?
2-3 inch lift with 31s would be perfect
@@NajarOffroad thank you appreciate it
Great video!
Thank you👍
Just replaced my 04’s engine due to leaking oil into the pistons. 😢
Ooof how many miles were on it?
Last year I replaced my 2002 WJ engine due to piston failure, it ran about a year with broken piston skirt. Got engine from 04 wrangler and put all new everything on it, installed all that and was back up and running in 2 weeks, still my daily driver :)
@@NajarOffroad original had 144k. The replacement has 90k. She’s running a lot smother and Keeping an eye on linkage, but keeping it stock. Do have the Jeep Cables, and have watched your video a few times to make sure I do it right 🥃
Cheers
@@Scott00 I feel your pain, but we keep on riding. Cheers 🥃
I have the old Crank Position Sensor hanging from the rearview mirror 😂
What if I’m not off roading and I just wanna add about 2in lift do I have to replace all those things ?
random question but I have a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee any recommendations for mud flaps?
I have a 2003 grand Cherokee with 138,000 miles. Pretty low if you ask me
I’d say if your experienced in the off-road life yeah you can get away with potentially running a stock Jeep
Yea we used to back in high school😂
@@NajarOffroad yeah because we’re senders
Same with an XJ
@@chrisgarage900 LoL 😂, sender's..
"Man think we can make it through that!?".
"Sure, just freaking SEND IT"!! "
Sweet info by a lot thanks
No problem. 🙏
Do you need to do any special work for a 6” lift on the 03 wj
Good info to needy viewers and very well done video buddy. MOPAR2YA
We need to make it out to Moparty next year represent WJs haha
@@NajarOffroad agreed. I haven’t gone in two years. I’ll go next year and bring a couple WJ and drive my 5.9.
Issues happen in all older vehicles. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota and so on. It all depends on what you do with it. Best thing about wj they are cheap.
I got a 2004 WJ because I kayak and needed 4wd . There are tons of dirt roads out at lake mead in Vegas. I am 100% stock with AT tires but thinking of doing a 2" lift mainly for looks. Just scared it will cause steering/death wobble.
been running 2'' BB lift for couple years now on a 2000 WJ without problems. Just make sure you get some decent new shocks. I went for Bilstein, they make a 2'' version
@@NinoMaartenGuitar yeah I never had any problems with the budget boost lifts on my ZJ and wj Grand Cherokee's.
I had a 3in spacer for my first one and boy was that a really great vehicle!! No rust as it was from Georgia but just brought up to the Northeast..
With some nice 30x9.5r15's bought almost new mounted on Wrangler wheels for super cheap it was a killer deal and did awesome in the woods and wicked deep snow storms we had up there in the Mtns!!
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I ended up spending almsot 2 grand on long arms and suspension but after driving for 2 years or so my only concern is the is the transmission not thinking making me use it like a manual from time to time and lately my car vibrates on the highway idk if it’s tires or axles or cv joint anyone have a clue ?
Yeah a 2 to 3 inch lift is enough these jeeps are trail rated for a reason
More than enough for most people!
@@NajarOffroad exactly right bro 💯
Yep, and great approach and departure angles-- really makes it so easy to just turn off the road and go over whatever is there and make your own trails..
And the Sky is BLUE and the ground is hard now is a twenty year old jeep old
i think this Guy needed to collect his thoughts be-four he started
that sad there plenty out there that have the know how to lift there jeep safely thankfully we all do not have the problems that he has interesting video and if one dose not take the time to do it right there can be problems and the cost can be high
one must remember that JEEP s are built for a reason and that is not as a sports car and not to ride smooth
hope that every has Fun with a jeep and be safe doing it
i think he needs a thumbs up for his time JEEP s Can be costly to drive
Should you lift it lol? There is absolutely no other reason to even buy one of these turds. Like ANY old truck if you work on it yourself parts are reasonable and it's affordable. If you need a mechanic just buy a new wrangler. You don't have to do everything at once. I'm very happy with doing it one step at a time. As of now I have enough left overs to do a completely new 3" IRO lift on another WJ which I intend to do (have a I6, need a V8 to go with it).
Haha I love that line😂 “if you need a mechanic just buy a Wrangler” 😂 yea I had a ton of parts to which is how we lifted my Friends WJ but I’ve definitely have spent more money going from stock to budget boost then 4.5 inch and now 6.5 🤦♂️
Best to leave a Jeep riding on its stock suspension, unless you go out for extreme rock climbing. The Center of Gravity of a WJ is high enough to place it at risk of a rollover if corners are taken too fast, and that risk rises dramatically once the suspension is monkeyed with and the vehicle is put up on stilts.
That teetering high-heel look is so 1980s and turns a Jeep into a death trap. Leave well enough alone and keep things stock. Some fashion fads are best left to die natural deaths, and lifted suspensions rank high on that list.
Glad I don't buy my parts from where you buy yourslol