Hey guys my cooling modification for the electronics is finally finished. Here is the link to the files and parts list over on Printables! www.printables.com/model/911028-peopoly-magneto-x-electronics-cooling
Glad to help. This is the first time I have ever tried to make a review video so I apologize for any lack of quality or weirdness in it. I am not super comfortable in front of the camera! haha.. Thanks for watching!
@makerscorner93 Well us UNBIASED product review masters will have to disagree over the conclusions drawn here today. Use link in description to buy it now.
It is interesting all of the issues seem having nothing to do with the linear motors or it´s drivers. Imho Peopoly should have sold a XY gantry with drivers to replace the gantry a Voron 2.4 350, Trident 350 or/and Vcore 3.1 500 instead releasing a complete "beta" printer. It would have not only been cheaper, but also much more intersting for the still big group of tinkerers. You could combine you favorite bed, bed kinematic, printhead etc. For load cells: They have a massive temperature drift. I do not know how klipper handles it, but a few years ago I have seen a github project were a microcontroller sampled the load cell very often (about a thousend times a second) and constantly updated the middle value. The controller gave a signal on its output the moment the measured value deviated from this middle value for a certain percentage. A quite simple solution, if I remember correctly it was an ATiny chip. It´s quite good to use a seperate microcontroller for such real-time task instead using a multitasking OS. Sadly I do not find the github project at the moment. But I think the problem isn´t the loadcell itself, but the way the values delivered are interpreted.
Good news! They are selling the linear motor system as a standalone part. I was going to pick some up to play with until I saw the price. Maybe one day I will, but not for a while. The load cell is a hot mess. Mine is working "okay-ish" right now, but that can and will change at any moment. I am planning on eventually switching over to using a Beacon to replace the load cell. There are people in the Discord who have made this modification on their Magneto with great results.
I think I fall into that last category of being able to fix this printer. I have done a number of mods and so far I am loving it. My mods still need a ton of polish before they are ready for the public though.
Thanks for the review. I just got mine unboxed and setup. Had a few issues, the instructions have a number of errors and I could not get it to power up. I found the 20amp circuit breaker had flipped and reset it. Next the Wifi would not work, so I hooked it up with a cable. Haven't got close to a print yet, stiil trying to get it recognized in Orca. It does look like a very promising machine. New sub, so I can follow your journey
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate it! It definitely is an interesting machine and I have a couple of fun projects I'm getting ready to use it for very soon. I saw your video printing my PTFE riser. Hope you like it! I'm not sure if the stock PTFE tube is long enough for it, but as long as you aren't using the full 400mm you should be fine (I replaced mine immediately as the early units came with a very low quality one). How well is your extruder working? Looks like you have one of the new ones. Looks completely different from mine which is one of the very early pre-order units.
I guess I'm lucky as I haven't had any of these issues. I do have bed mesh set to run just for the print area before it prints and I had the clicking from the extruder (Peopoly sent me a new extruder and its been great). Its been the most plug and play printer i've ever had.
Really happy for you that you got a good one. I finally had mine working pretty good and was getting ready to make a follow up video, but unfortunately I had a new problem pop up with my 24v psu. It's working again, but I absolutely do not trust this machine to operate unattended anymore.
I'm fairly certain you could set up your account on your BL printer, then switch the wifi to a non-wan wifi network, and it would still function fine. I'm going to try it.
That sucks you went through all those problems. Every printer I have purchased over many years went like that. Except for the X1C. But I did wait to get the X1C until after it had been out for a year. I don't think I'd ever be an early adopter on any 3D printer again. Too annoying. I just want to print. Thanks for sharing your experience. Maybe in a year, the Magneto will be "worked out" enough for me to get one. I do love the idea of what they are going for.
I normally don't like doing the whole early adopter thing, but I wanted a larger format printer, and couldn't resist the pre-order price. I feel sure within a year the Magneto X will be in a much better place. Considering Peopoly has never made an FDM printer before, the problems we have been having so far are a bit expected. Working on this printer has brought up old nightmares of dealing with my Tevo Tornado! Not a pleasant experience to be reliving!
Seriously, the X1C is the only FDM printer I've had that worked perfectly out of the box, and I also waited a year after release to buy it. I'm afraid that by the time the Magneto gets the kinks ironed out, a new large format printer with tool changer will be available. Hopefully Bambu's upcoming XL printer will have linear rails and a tool changer....
Thank you for this review. This is exactly what I was looking for. I have 7 resin printers, 3 X1Cs and a solo Mk4S. I wanted the Magneto for larger prints but I think I'll hold off until they get it better tied down. I used to have 4 Vorons but after the X1C came out - I sold them.
It is slowly turning into a decent printer. Many people have reported having really good success converting the machine to use beacon instead of the load cell. The extruder on the other hand is still a bit of a mixed bag. Some people are getting extruders that work great, and others have one like mine which just doesn't work good at all. I know Peopoly has made a few changes to the entire tool head so it might be better now, but I don't have one of the new ones for testing yet. If you are ok with doing some tinkering, the printer does go on sale for $1599 quite often, so it might still be a viable option. I plan on making an update video eventually once I install my upgrade kit. Just haven't had time lately to mess with it
I was wondering where the Magneto X went. Lots of hype but it basically disappeared. When they couldn't get a working printer to trade shows that was enough for me to write them off. Thanks for the review and all the work and info you put into it.
If I remember correctly, they had originally started showing it off back in August 2023. It was supposed to have been released sometime in November or early December but they quickly realized that they had a lot more work to do than they had initially thought. That's why we really didn't hear much from them after September. I think the main problem just came down to Peopoly not having the required experience in FDM to produce something as complex as the Magneto X. The overall building blocks of a good printer are there, it just needs a lot of little tweaks to get everything working as it should. Given how complex the Magneto is, I think Peopoly did an overall decent job, but they really should have done more internal testing rather than dump that job on the pre-order customers. Thanks for watching!
@@makerscorner93 I agree its not ready and with the high price tag that tends to leave a bad taste in peoples mouth. This might have been good 10 years ago when tinkering to get printers working was ok but know the standard is 15 minute setup and producing quality prints quickly. They have a lot of work to do.
Give it a bit of time. I am confident Peopoly will fix all the issues. From what I understand , most of the new units being sold now are working much better! Mine is finally working pretty well now too. I am planning on making a follow up video soon to share how my printer has been doing lately. Also as a side note, the Magneto X goes on sale quite often!
It is interesting my printer arrived in May and has be very reliable and robust. In an industrial setting sending data to a cloud isn't an option. It appears the washers were not on my load cell no clicking or under extruding. The only issue I have had is not being able to get abs to stick however my enclosure just shipped so hopefully that helps that issue. If peopoly did make changes and push them out that quickly it would be impressive.
Peopoly has actually been pretty good at making changes in a very quick manner. It would not surprise me if they did manage to make changes and push them out that quickly. I did not have any clicking from the extruder in the beginning. It happens over time from the vibrations causing the set screw to come loose. They may have already started adding thread lock to the set screws before your printer shipped out to you.
an amazing review. big youtubers should take note. everything i have seen from them about this printer was super bad. you earned your sub and like for sure. good job mate, keep it up
I really appreciate the compliment. I haven't done any video work in a long time and was a bit all over the place during recording and editing. Definitely not "like riding a bike" haha. The Magneto X is in a bad place now, but the community is making improvements almost everyday! Even Bambu Lab had a few hiccups when they first launched (although admittedly not as bad as Peopoly). Give us a few months and I'm sure this printer will be worth it! Thanks again for the support!
I unfortunately don't have much time to take advantage of the $1199 deal tomorrow and so I have to ask around hoping anyone will increase my knowledge to help me make an educated decision. I see 1 month ago you said yours still had issues but heard many saying on the discord the new versions are solid. Are you still seeing this to be the case? I don't mine tweaks and calibration but if it gets in the way of printing consistently... Idk. Would love to hear anything you've heard as it's a decision I'd have little time to deliberate. :s
I am still seeing most people getting the newer machines having much better luck with their printers than I had. Mine is also getting closer to working properly as well. I have some new parts being shipped to me that will hopefully fix the majority of my remaining issues. At $1199 plus a free enclosure, it is definitely worth the risk. Peopoly support is pretty fantastic!
@@makerscorner93 My worry is they maybe going out of business with not enough things selling and we're left with something that needs immense funding to fix and get right. If i knew i could calibrate it and it'd be right and just be a work horse, it makes sense and i'd try it but people over on discord are modding and "upgrading" theirs with tons of stuff and i wonder... why? Some people like that hobby yes, vorons for example but sometimes the vibe is via necessity and that's not something i'd want :s
I don't think they are going out of business. I think reception to the printer was a bit soured by the lackluster performance at launch and now they are desperately trying to sell off some stock to cover costs. They have fixed quite a few things, but yes this is very much a printer for tinkering and not so much for being a rock solid steady workhorse. That being said, there aren't many options out there in this price range for this size of printer. So if you need a larger printer and don't mind a bit of tinkering, then it could be a decent option. I've had mine for 8 months now and I am getting ready to make an updated review video soon based on my experience after an extended amount of time with it.
Thank you for this review. I believe in Peopoly as well and together with the great community the X will be a very fast, reliable and unique printer in future.
The biggest weakness of this printer is definitely the load cell. The numbers that it reads can vary a lot when it's probing. I still get decent first layers and the prints stick, but I feel like it could be more consistent instead of varying between too close and a bit farther away. I think the second is that it uses some specialized parts. Like the load cell. Or the cabling. If the printer goes down, you need to get the replacements shipped instead of pulling spare parts from your other printers. They ship quickly, but it still takes time. I had two things fail on my printer and it took a week each for the replacement parts to arrive. I find it weird how I don't need pressure advance. Every time I try that test, I don't see a difference big enough to warrant setting this value. So it's been at zero ever since I got the printer. You do need to pay attention to the filament that you buy. The printer advertises amazing speeds, but I've found that if you don't use filaments designed for high speed printing and you try and push the limit, the filament starts blobbing like crazy once the printer goes overdrive and then the blobs start ripping the print. The y-axis has some nasty vfa on my printer. I plan to use the instructions on the peopoly wiki to tune it but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know how successfully I can remove the banding. That being said, I believe that the linear motors should be capable of this since I have no vfa on the x-axis. Overall it's a fun printer and it's my main one right now since I have some bigger prints to make and this printer has a larger build plate than my Voron.
Sorry for the super delayed reply. I agree the biggest issue is the load cell. I plan on changing over to using a Beacon. The community has mods to mount it and I have seen some pretty good results from it. Most printers use specialized parts now. Shipping in my experience has been pretty fast so far, so I am not too worried if something breaks. That being said nothing has completely failed on mine. I have had a few defective parts that needed replacing, but the printer was still usable while I was waiting. I have noticed the printer is super picky with the type of filament you use. The only good thing for me is the filaments that have worked the best for me have been super cheap! VFA has been super annoying. The worst part is it isn't consistent. Sometimes it is super obvious, and other times it is non existent. I agree that it is a good printer most days, but it can be very hit or miss. Some days it works amazingly well, others it can't print at all. Consistency is a major issue!
Mine is still having issues. It is extremely temperamental. Some days it works perfectly, others it just refuses to work at all. I have a few modifications I would like to make to it to increase reliability, but right now I just don't have the time or money or patience to deal with it. Maybe in December when I have a few weeks off work I will take a look at fixing everything. Right now I'd rather spend what limited free time I have creating new content. That being said from what I have been hearing, the newer units being sold now have been pretty solid without all the issues the early adopter units have. I would recommend joining the discord and talk to some people who recently received their Magneto X to see how their units are running.
I have had some first layer issues, but, I know for a fact my belt tensions are perfect. At present time - I am upset that I seem to be accounted as a "Beta Tester" when my unit wasn't a beta unit- but a mainstream sold unit. It's good I get similar support, replacement parts and the like - but it's horrible if you .. want to print and there is an issue, after all - spending hours disassembling and then replacing parts or reassembling screws, is timely and pretty frustrating. (at current time, I am awaiting the new loadcell version as well as a Y-motor, as my print issues have just.. been horrific.)
Yeah you have the most cursed one! Definitely worse than mine. Been following most of your struggles on the discord.. Peopoly should really just send you a new one at this point!
Definitely not that quiet. This is easily the loudest printer I have ever owned. Even without the fans on, the linear motors make a lot of noise just by themselves
I think the technology is good and will make it to future printers (less moving parts always a plus). The execution is still in beta stage. At this point I’m more interested in how the motors perform compared to belt drive as down the road some company should have a solid implementation
Agreed. I am excited to see where they take the technology moving forward in their next attempt (assuming they even decide to make another FDM printer)
I can bet they will sell motion systems to all brand after they realise that cheap adventurer 5m pro can print that well, and creality k2 should be with chamber heater
review?? you literally showed like 10seconds of the printer on screen....sorry, but I don't wanna see your face for 20min on a product review, I wanna see the product.
You are correct, there wasn't much showing the actual machine. I've had this printer for a few months now and unfortunately don't have much footage of the printer actually working. For that matter, there isn't much footage from anyone of the printer working due to all the issues we have been having with it. Peopoly recently opened up sales to the general public and I just wanted to get some actual information out there for people to be able to make an informed decision if they decide to purchase a Magneto X. I have two more videos planned for the Magneto X in the coming weeks which will have much more footage of the actual printer.
Many thanks for this review, at this level of defects the 1rst buyers fixes seem to have been part of business plan. Good new the linear motors works well, we can hope for an acceptable product from peopoly or another more experienced manufacturer
Peopoly has been working hard to fix the problems that have plagued the Magneto X. They have already made some great progress. If you are in the market for a larger format printer, it is nearly at the point where I could almost recommend it. (But being familiar with Klipper and comfortable with modding is still strongly recommended)
Great review, I am actually looking at this printer as an option still to replace my X1C (I want a larger frame and not have to send my files over the other side of the world). However, I need reliability as even after a year 3D printing by myself, my tech skills only go as far as changing the nozzle/printhead.
The foundation of a good printer is there. It just needs a bit more polish. Thankfully the problems are slowly but surely being solved. I'm hopeful that between Peopoly and the community working together we will have Magneto working beautifully soon!
@@AwwwSnapperz I should have worded that better. It is true you aren't forced into using the cloud, but the majority of the people using those printers aren't aware of that. The overwhelming majority of people are very basic users who might not realize there are other ways to start a print. I will be more careful in my wording next time.
I have spoken to a few people recently who have been getting good printers from them now with less issues than most of the pre-order units. That being said, they go on sale quite often it seems, so I would probably wait another few months. Peopoly is actively working on changes and upgrades. I actually just received my upgrade kit last week. Just haven't had time to install it yet.
Seems like a lot of startup issues that can get cleaned up as orders increase. I think this printer belongs into the large format space somewhat justifying the price. I am curious who the manufacturer of the linear motors. I thought Peopoly mentioned the potential sale of these motors in the future. That would suggest that they are the manufacturer (which seems very unlikely). any ideas?
Some people had asked if they would consider selling just the motors. The response they all got was the very corporate "we will take your suggestion into advisement". Translation, probably not gonna happen.
6:21 "unlike other popular 3d printers out there, that basically force you to upload all your files to their cloud just to start a print" It's been 2 years since Bambu lab first launched in 2022. You have NEVER been forced to use the cloud to start a print. Sd card, lan only , even sending files over local FTP is an option.
Yes there are other options however SD card is a pain in the butt and means no remote starting of a print, LAN only mode as I had mentioned in the video is not as secure as most people think as Bambu Lab has been caught in the past still scrapping data from people using that option, and while FTP is an option, it is not one that many people are even aware of. I used to use FTP but found it to be slow and generally unstable. Don't get me wrong, I love my P1S but I will never blindly overlook obvious flaws just because I like a particular machine or company.
@@makerscorner93 I have to disagree. When the printer is in LAN only mode it does NOT leak/send out data. I have run checks both at the router level as well as wireshark. You can check it yourself. Heck if you are extra paranoid you can disable net access from any modern router at the client level. I dont blindly believe any company or any person who hasn't shown proof of their assertions, so I ran my own tests. Whether you are on a Vlan, normal router or one that is completely disconnected you can run Lan only mode. I frequently do it at local trade shows with a pocket router with no net access. There was a ytuber saying much of the things you mention and he was incorrect but he did it on a site that knew he was nowhere near an authority on the subject. and he could not answer let alone prove anything as network traffic can be at the very least monitored even if you cant view its contents. Even the crew behind x1+ who had access to far more of the inner workings confirmed what I already knew. You can run the printers without Net access, it does not send out data unless the user initiates it, and you dont need the cloud for it to work.
You are speaking into the void. that cloud thing has circled the globe and back several times and even after evidence showing it is 💩 people double down on false info.
What complicated belt tensioning have you had to do on the Bambu? Curious, I have over 5000 hours on my x1c and have only had to tension belts once, and it was like 5 minutes to do so.
Some people have had relatively good luck fixing the belt tension, but spend enough time in various forums and you will find that most people have a very difficult time with it. The instructions Bambu Lab provides tends to give very mixed results. My P1P is almost always printing 24/7 so I have had to do it a few times already. It really is a very hit or miss process. That being said they are very good printers that I personally recommend to most people when they ask me what to buy for their first printer
Oh you're the one working on the cooling thing, I'm really looking forward to that because that 48v power supply fan noise. A solid covering of the highs and lows so far. I've been good after replacing my load cell and toolhead board, but haven't printed a lot that isn't calibration prints since that. Hoping to do a bed mesh at my normal PLA bed temp and printing some other actual things this weekend. Once I've got that baseline I'll definitely be looking at some of the .cfg updates that folks have put together. Also will see how changing probe accuracy to .025 goes. It really seems a bit hit or miss with the QA on units that have gone out. As you said there's been plenty of people with issues, but some folks have been having a good time with theirs. Other than the possibly self-inflicted loadcell sensor probe issue I've been okay, fingers crossed that holds. I have my corner screws tight until the springs weren't springy any more, I'll keep your tension tip in mind if binding issues show up as I print taller things.
Yep I'm that guy! Haha. I am hoping to print and test my "V2" design tonight. If all goes well, I will post links to where you can download the files. The .cfg video will most likely be coming out next Friday. Want to make a few more tweaks to mine before recording that video. QA on the Magneto X has been super hit or miss. I agree there are a few lucky ones that got printers with zero problems, but the majority of us were not as lucky. Heck I'm thankful that my problems are on the easy side of things! There are some people who have had to completely disassemble their printers multiple times already!
I got one of their machines, and have had a real hard time to establish a network hookup. I wrote to peopolly, and still after 2 months haven't gotten a response, even after a second request. The heaters keep shutting off, anyway, I still cannot even print out a complete little test boat successfully. This machine has lots of issues and I have tried to return it and cannot get them to reply. I like the magnetic setup for travel. It is pretty neet. But have had real issues also with the slicer... its really a half ass slicer.
Have you tried reaching out on the discord? I know the engineers are pretty active there. Might be worth trying if you haven't already. Believe me I know first hand how stressful this printer can be, but I have to give credit where credit is due and say that I have had great support from them. At least when going through discord. I have heard from a few people who tried emailing them with zero success until they tried going through discord. This is clearly something they need to work on!
Great review. Printer with lots of potential. 5 great prints. Then problems start. Link to peopoly discord gives an invalid address. Can you -please post a link to a reliable discord? Thanks!
I was worried about this. I wish they had just released the linear motors in some common sizes and let the community have their way with them. Releasing a whole printer just risks tarnishing the whole system or killing the company because of simple mistakes. I dunno maybe that wouldn't have worked but this is less than ideal.
They were a little too ambitious considering this is there first attempt at making an FDM printer. I feel confident that they will solve most of the problems over time
Unfortunately not enough footage of the machine actually working yet lol. I have my machine finally in a mostly functional state now (after a long 2 months of troubleshooting) so I plan on doing a follow up video with a lot more footage of the actual machine. I mainly wanted to get some information out there since Peopoly is now selling to the general public and I wanted people to be able to make an informed decision whether or not to purchase it.
I'm sure you saw all the "Bambu bros" jump in to defend their beloved company. Haha.. It boggles my mind how people are so willing to just blindly defend a company that doesn't care about them at all, just their money. Don't get me wrong I do like and use Bambu Lab products, but I don't trust the company at all. People need to realize you can like and respect a product, without being a drone for the company that makes it.
I showed it a few times in the video however as my printer was one of the early pre-order units, there were many issues that prevented it from printing properly. Hence the lack of footage. I have had the printer for almost 9 months now and through the help of the Magneto X community and Peopoly support, my printer is working much better now (though still not without a few issues). I have a follow up review planned to go over my thoughts on the machine after having it for a longer period of time. That video will have a lot more footage of the machine.
$2000 and it isnt a consistently functional product. 🤦 Thank goodness for testers, volunteers, and lets be honest , suckers who dedicate their time, money , energy and labor to fix a multimillion dollar companies products. This is one of the strengths and flaws of the 3d printer community. These financial juggernauts are offloading R&D, testing, safety, labor, liability and other costs to the users instead of shipping a fully functional product.
Glad to be one of those "suckers" so others don't have to be! lol.. Honestly Peopoly jumped the gun on this one. They really needed more time to smooth out all the rough edges. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for them, as much as it is for us. Thanks for watching!
Just saying, they're not a multi million dollar company. I think there's about 6 employees aside from people doing the assembly, and even then I think that's only 4ish more people. It's a small team that doesn't have a ton of profit, especially as currently they are sending out upgrade/replacement parts free to current magneto owners, which is really great of them, but they're no prusa or bambu in scale
Didn't pay that much, but yeah definitely spent more than I should have especially considering it's now even cheaper than what I paid and comes with a free enclosure! A lot of us preorder people are not happy about that! I will say Peopoly support has been pretty great throughout this whole struggle. The new machines that are shipping now are working considerably better because of the hard work by the community of us "paying beta testers". I have some new parts coming for my machine this week that should HOPEFULLY fix the last of the issues I still have with my machine. I am planning a new review once I have my machine up to date with what the current machines are shipping with. Thanks for watching!
Definitely "Failopoly" when I uploaded this video, but I have to give them credit where credit is due. They have been doing a lot over the months to fix everything and get the ship back on course. The Magneto X is starting to find its footing and is becoming more and more stable. It still has a few issues, but I can absolutely say that I am happy to have this printer now!
Hey guys my cooling modification for the electronics is finally finished. Here is the link to the files and parts list over on Printables! www.printables.com/model/911028-peopoly-magneto-x-electronics-cooling
I've been waiting for a good review of this thing. Thank you.
Glad to help. This is the first time I have ever tried to make a review video so I apologize for any lack of quality or weirdness in it. I am not super comfortable in front of the camera! haha.. Thanks for watching!
Way better than my videos.
Yes the Peopoly Magneto X is a fantastic 3d printer,suitable for all skill levels. I agree 100%.
It is a good printer but calling it suitable for all skill levels is not true. This is 100% a machine for more advanced users. Thanks for watching!
@makerscorner93 Well us UNBIASED product review masters will have to disagree over the conclusions drawn here today. Use link in description to buy it now.
It is interesting all of the issues seem having nothing to do with the linear motors or it´s drivers. Imho Peopoly should have sold a XY gantry with drivers to replace the gantry a Voron 2.4 350, Trident 350 or/and Vcore 3.1 500 instead releasing a complete "beta" printer.
It would have not only been cheaper, but also much more intersting for the still big group of tinkerers. You could combine you favorite bed, bed kinematic, printhead etc.
For load cells: They have a massive temperature drift. I do not know how klipper handles it, but a few years ago I have seen a github project were a microcontroller sampled the load cell very often (about a thousend times a second) and constantly updated the middle value. The controller gave a signal on its output the moment the measured value deviated from this middle value for a certain percentage. A quite simple solution, if I remember correctly it was an ATiny chip. It´s quite good to use a seperate microcontroller for such real-time task instead using a multitasking OS. Sadly I do not find the github project at the moment. But I think the problem isn´t the loadcell itself, but the way the values delivered are interpreted.
Good news! They are selling the linear motor system as a standalone part. I was going to pick some up to play with until I saw the price. Maybe one day I will, but not for a while.
The load cell is a hot mess. Mine is working "okay-ish" right now, but that can and will change at any moment. I am planning on eventually switching over to using a Beacon to replace the load cell. There are people in the Discord who have made this modification on their Magneto with great results.
I think I fall into that last category of being able to fix this printer. I have done a number of mods and so far I am loving it. My mods still need a ton of polish before they are ready for the public though.
Yeah you definitely have enough knowledge to fix some of the problems we have been experiencing. Weird seeing you outside the Discord haha 😂
Paying to beta test is always rough. Solid review.
It has been a painful and expensive journey being a "paying beta tester", but hopefully in the end it will be worth it!
Thanks for the review. I just got mine unboxed and setup. Had a few issues, the instructions have a number of errors and I could not get it to power up. I found the 20amp circuit breaker had flipped and reset it. Next the Wifi would not work, so I hooked it up with a cable. Haven't got close to a print yet, stiil trying to get it recognized in Orca. It does look like a very promising machine. New sub, so I can follow your journey
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate it! It definitely is an interesting machine and I have a couple of fun projects I'm getting ready to use it for very soon. I saw your video printing my PTFE riser. Hope you like it! I'm not sure if the stock PTFE tube is long enough for it, but as long as you aren't using the full 400mm you should be fine (I replaced mine immediately as the early units came with a very low quality one). How well is your extruder working? Looks like you have one of the new ones. Looks completely different from mine which is one of the very early pre-order units.
I guess I'm lucky as I haven't had any of these issues. I do have bed mesh set to run just for the print area before it prints and I had the clicking from the extruder (Peopoly sent me a new extruder and its been great). Its been the most plug and play printer i've ever had.
Really happy for you that you got a good one. I finally had mine working pretty good and was getting ready to make a follow up video, but unfortunately I had a new problem pop up with my 24v psu. It's working again, but I absolutely do not trust this machine to operate unattended anymore.
I'm fairly certain you could set up your account on your BL printer, then switch the wifi to a non-wan wifi network, and it would still function fine. I'm going to try it.
You can switch it to lan only mode, but you lose some functionality.
That sucks you went through all those problems. Every printer I have purchased over many years went like that. Except for the X1C. But I did wait to get the X1C until after it had been out for a year. I don't think I'd ever be an early adopter on any 3D printer again. Too annoying. I just want to print.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Maybe in a year, the Magneto will be "worked out" enough for me to get one. I do love the idea of what they are going for.
I normally don't like doing the whole early adopter thing, but I wanted a larger format printer, and couldn't resist the pre-order price. I feel sure within a year the Magneto X will be in a much better place. Considering Peopoly has never made an FDM printer before, the problems we have been having so far are a bit expected.
Working on this printer has brought up old nightmares of dealing with my Tevo Tornado! Not a pleasant experience to be reliving!
Seriously, the X1C is the only FDM printer I've had that worked perfectly out of the box, and I also waited a year after release to buy it. I'm afraid that by the time the Magneto gets the kinks ironed out, a new large format printer with tool changer will be available. Hopefully Bambu's upcoming XL printer will have linear rails and a tool changer....
Thank you for this review. This is exactly what I was looking for. I have 7 resin printers, 3 X1Cs and a solo Mk4S. I wanted the Magneto for larger prints but I think I'll hold off until they get it better tied down. I used to have 4 Vorons but after the X1C came out - I sold them.
It is slowly turning into a decent printer. Many people have reported having really good success converting the machine to use beacon instead of the load cell. The extruder on the other hand is still a bit of a mixed bag. Some people are getting extruders that work great, and others have one like mine which just doesn't work good at all. I know Peopoly has made a few changes to the entire tool head so it might be better now, but I don't have one of the new ones for testing yet. If you are ok with doing some tinkering, the printer does go on sale for $1599 quite often, so it might still be a viable option. I plan on making an update video eventually once I install my upgrade kit. Just haven't had time lately to mess with it
Considering how cheaply made adventurer 5m pro can work such reliably magneto x allready failed to take this market share
I was wondering where the Magneto X went. Lots of hype but it basically disappeared. When they couldn't get a working printer to trade shows that was enough for me to write them off. Thanks for the review and all the work and info you put into it.
If I remember correctly, they had originally started showing it off back in August 2023. It was supposed to have been released sometime in November or early December but they quickly realized that they had a lot more work to do than they had initially thought. That's why we really didn't hear much from them after September. I think the main problem just came down to Peopoly not having the required experience in FDM to produce something as complex as the Magneto X. The overall building blocks of a good printer are there, it just needs a lot of little tweaks to get everything working as it should. Given how complex the Magneto is, I think Peopoly did an overall decent job, but they really should have done more internal testing rather than dump that job on the pre-order customers. Thanks for watching!
@@makerscorner93 I agree its not ready and with the high price tag that tends to leave a bad taste in peoples mouth. This might have been good 10 years ago when tinkering to get printers working was ok but know the standard is 15 minute setup and producing quality prints quickly. They have a lot of work to do.
Many thanks for your honest review, you just saved me from using $2000 + tax !!!
Give it a bit of time. I am confident Peopoly will fix all the issues. From what I understand , most of the new units being sold now are working much better! Mine is finally working pretty well now too. I am planning on making a follow up video soon to share how my printer has been doing lately. Also as a side note, the Magneto X goes on sale quite often!
It is interesting my printer arrived in May and has be very reliable and robust. In an industrial setting sending data to a cloud isn't an option. It appears the washers were not on my load cell no clicking or under extruding. The only issue I have had is not being able to get abs to stick however my enclosure just shipped so hopefully that helps that issue. If peopoly did make changes and push them out that quickly it would be impressive.
Peopoly has actually been pretty good at making changes in a very quick manner. It would not surprise me if they did manage to make changes and push them out that quickly. I did not have any clicking from the extruder in the beginning. It happens over time from the vibrations causing the set screw to come loose. They may have already started adding thread lock to the set screws before your printer shipped out to you.
an amazing review. big youtubers should take note. everything i have seen from them about this printer was super bad. you earned your sub and like for sure. good job mate, keep it up
I really appreciate the compliment. I haven't done any video work in a long time and was a bit all over the place during recording and editing. Definitely not "like riding a bike" haha. The Magneto X is in a bad place now, but the community is making improvements almost everyday! Even Bambu Lab had a few hiccups when they first launched (although admittedly not as bad as Peopoly). Give us a few months and I'm sure this printer will be worth it! Thanks again for the support!
I unfortunately don't have much time to take advantage of the $1199 deal tomorrow and so I have to ask around hoping anyone will increase my knowledge to help me make an educated decision.
I see 1 month ago you said yours still had issues but heard many saying on the discord the new versions are solid. Are you still seeing this to be the case?
I don't mine tweaks and calibration but if it gets in the way of printing consistently... Idk. Would love to hear anything you've heard as it's a decision I'd have little time to deliberate. :s
I am still seeing most people getting the newer machines having much better luck with their printers than I had. Mine is also getting closer to working properly as well. I have some new parts being shipped to me that will hopefully fix the majority of my remaining issues. At $1199 plus a free enclosure, it is definitely worth the risk. Peopoly support is pretty fantastic!
@@makerscorner93 My worry is they maybe going out of business with not enough things selling and we're left with something that needs immense funding to fix and get right.
If i knew i could calibrate it and it'd be right and just be a work horse, it makes sense and i'd try it but people over on discord are modding and "upgrading" theirs with tons of stuff and i wonder... why? Some people like that hobby yes, vorons for example but sometimes the vibe is via necessity and that's not something i'd want :s
I don't think they are going out of business. I think reception to the printer was a bit soured by the lackluster performance at launch and now they are desperately trying to sell off some stock to cover costs. They have fixed quite a few things, but yes this is very much a printer for tinkering and not so much for being a rock solid steady workhorse. That being said, there aren't many options out there in this price range for this size of printer. So if you need a larger printer and don't mind a bit of tinkering, then it could be a decent option. I've had mine for 8 months now and I am getting ready to make an updated review video soon based on my experience after an extended amount of time with it.
@@makerscorner93 heck yeah. Looking forward to it. I'll be documenting my journey too. I'm excited, pulled the trigger last night xD
Thank you for this review. I believe in Peopoly as well and together with the great community the X will be a very fast, reliable and unique printer in future.
I agree 100% it may take a bit of time, but we will definitely get there!
The biggest weakness of this printer is definitely the load cell. The numbers that it reads can vary a lot when it's probing. I still get decent first layers and the prints stick, but I feel like it could be more consistent instead of varying between too close and a bit farther away.
I think the second is that it uses some specialized parts. Like the load cell. Or the cabling. If the printer goes down, you need to get the replacements shipped instead of pulling spare parts from your other printers. They ship quickly, but it still takes time. I had two things fail on my printer and it took a week each for the replacement parts to arrive.
I find it weird how I don't need pressure advance. Every time I try that test, I don't see a difference big enough to warrant setting this value. So it's been at zero ever since I got the printer.
You do need to pay attention to the filament that you buy. The printer advertises amazing speeds, but I've found that if you don't use filaments designed for high speed printing and you try and push the limit, the filament starts blobbing like crazy once the printer goes overdrive and then the blobs start ripping the print.
The y-axis has some nasty vfa on my printer. I plan to use the instructions on the peopoly wiki to tune it but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know how successfully I can remove the banding. That being said, I believe that the linear motors should be capable of this since I have no vfa on the x-axis.
Overall it's a fun printer and it's my main one right now since I have some bigger prints to make and this printer has a larger build plate than my Voron.
Sorry for the super delayed reply. I agree the biggest issue is the load cell. I plan on changing over to using a Beacon. The community has mods to mount it and I have seen some pretty good results from it.
Most printers use specialized parts now. Shipping in my experience has been pretty fast so far, so I am not too worried if something breaks. That being said nothing has completely failed on mine. I have had a few defective parts that needed replacing, but the printer was still usable while I was waiting.
I have noticed the printer is super picky with the type of filament you use. The only good thing for me is the filaments that have worked the best for me have been super cheap!
VFA has been super annoying. The worst part is it isn't consistent. Sometimes it is super obvious, and other times it is non existent.
I agree that it is a good printer most days, but it can be very hit or miss. Some days it works amazingly well, others it can't print at all. Consistency is a major issue!
@@makerscorner93 Is there a port on the print head pcb that you can use for the beacon?
Do you still feel the same way after four months? How is the Mageto X performing now?
Mine is still having issues. It is extremely temperamental. Some days it works perfectly, others it just refuses to work at all. I have a few modifications I would like to make to it to increase reliability, but right now I just don't have the time or money or patience to deal with it. Maybe in December when I have a few weeks off work I will take a look at fixing everything. Right now I'd rather spend what limited free time I have creating new content. That being said from what I have been hearing, the newer units being sold now have been pretty solid without all the issues the early adopter units have. I would recommend joining the discord and talk to some people who recently received their Magneto X to see how their units are running.
I have had some first layer issues, but, I know for a fact my belt tensions are perfect.
At present time - I am upset that I seem to be accounted as a "Beta Tester" when my unit wasn't a beta unit- but a mainstream sold unit. It's good I get similar support, replacement parts and the like - but it's horrible if you .. want to print and there is an issue, after all - spending hours disassembling and then replacing parts or reassembling screws, is timely and pretty frustrating. (at current time, I am awaiting the new loadcell version as well as a Y-motor, as my print issues have just.. been horrific.)
Yeah you have the most cursed one! Definitely worse than mine. Been following most of your struggles on the discord.. Peopoly should really just send you a new one at this point!
thanks for this explanation, for me what is important to me is its level of silence? is it below 25 db ?
Definitely not that quiet. This is easily the loudest printer I have ever owned. Even without the fans on, the linear motors make a lot of noise just by themselves
I think the technology is good and will make it to future printers (less moving parts always a plus). The execution is still in beta stage. At this point I’m more interested in how the motors perform compared to belt drive as down the road some company should have a solid implementation
Agreed. I am excited to see where they take the technology moving forward in their next attempt (assuming they even decide to make another FDM printer)
I can bet they will sell motion systems to all brand after they realise that cheap adventurer 5m pro can print that well, and creality k2 should be with chamber heater
review?? you literally showed like 10seconds of the printer on screen....sorry, but I don't wanna see your face for 20min on a product review, I wanna see the product.
You are correct, there wasn't much showing the actual machine. I've had this printer for a few months now and unfortunately don't have much footage of the printer actually working. For that matter, there isn't much footage from anyone of the printer working due to all the issues we have been having with it. Peopoly recently opened up sales to the general public and I just wanted to get some actual information out there for people to be able to make an informed decision if they decide to purchase a Magneto X. I have two more videos planned for the Magneto X in the coming weeks which will have much more footage of the actual printer.
Thanks for the review!
My pleasure. That's for watching!
Many thanks for this review, at this level of defects the 1rst buyers fixes seem to have been part of business plan.
Good new the linear motors works well, we can hope for an acceptable product from peopoly or another more experienced manufacturer
Peopoly has been working hard to fix the problems that have plagued the Magneto X. They have already made some great progress. If you are in the market for a larger format printer, it is nearly at the point where I could almost recommend it. (But being familiar with Klipper and comfortable with modding is still strongly recommended)
Great review, I am actually looking at this printer as an option still to replace my X1C (I want a larger frame and not have to send my files over the other side of the world). However, I need reliability as even after a year 3D printing by myself, my tech skills only go as far as changing the nozzle/printhead.
The foundation of a good printer is there. It just needs a bit more polish. Thankfully the problems are slowly but surely being solved. I'm hopeful that between Peopoly and the community working together we will have Magneto working beautifully soon!
This dude needs to drop his talking points and actually give accurate info. Cloud has always been an OPTION but never required to print.
@@AwwwSnapperz I should have worded that better. It is true you aren't forced into using the cloud, but the majority of the people using those printers aren't aware of that. The overwhelming majority of people are very basic users who might not realize there are other ways to start a print. I will be more careful in my wording next time.
Thoughts of buying now? Most of the issues shaken out or is this still like buying into a beta?
I have spoken to a few people recently who have been getting good printers from them now with less issues than most of the pre-order units. That being said, they go on sale quite often it seems, so I would probably wait another few months. Peopoly is actively working on changes and upgrades. I actually just received my upgrade kit last week. Just haven't had time to install it yet.
Seems like a lot of startup issues that can get cleaned up as orders increase. I think this printer belongs into the large format space somewhat justifying the price. I am curious who the manufacturer of the linear motors. I thought Peopoly mentioned the potential sale of these motors in the future. That would suggest that they are the manufacturer (which seems very unlikely). any ideas?
Some people had asked if they would consider selling just the motors. The response they all got was the very corporate "we will take your suggestion into advisement". Translation, probably not gonna happen.
@@makerscorner93 Do you see any markings or other insight into another manufacturer?
6:21 "unlike other popular 3d printers out there, that basically force you to upload all your files to their cloud just to start a print"
It's been 2 years since Bambu lab first launched in 2022. You have NEVER been forced to use the cloud to start a print.
Sd card, lan only , even sending files over local FTP is an option.
Yes there are other options however SD card is a pain in the butt and means no remote starting of a print, LAN only mode as I had mentioned in the video is not as secure as most people think as Bambu Lab has been caught in the past still scrapping data from people using that option, and while FTP is an option, it is not one that many people are even aware of. I used to use FTP but found it to be slow and generally unstable. Don't get me wrong, I love my P1S but I will never blindly overlook obvious flaws just because I like a particular machine or company.
@@makerscorner93 I have to disagree. When the printer is in LAN only mode it does NOT leak/send out data. I have run checks both at the router level as well as wireshark. You can check it yourself. Heck if you are extra paranoid you can disable net access from any modern router at the client level.
I dont blindly believe any company or any person who hasn't shown proof of their assertions, so I ran my own tests.
Whether you are on a Vlan, normal router or one that is completely disconnected you can run Lan only mode. I frequently do it at local trade shows with a pocket router with no net access.
There was a ytuber saying much of the things you mention and he was incorrect but he did it on a site that knew he was nowhere near an authority on the subject. and he could not answer let alone prove anything as network traffic can be at the very least monitored even if you cant view its contents.
Even the crew behind x1+ who had access to far more of the inner workings confirmed what I already knew. You can run the printers without Net access, it does not send out data unless the user initiates it, and you dont need the cloud for it to work.
You are speaking into the void. that cloud thing has circled the globe and back several times and even after evidence showing it is 💩 people double down on false info.
Would love to see Peopoly selling the Magnetic actuators directly without having to buy the whole printer 🙂
Unfortunately I doubt that will ever happen. They are a printer manufacturer, not a hardware manufacturer
@@makerscorner93 sorry to break it to you, but they just did
I am waiting for my pre -order, problems at customs when sending to the European Union:)
nice review
If I remember correctly, the last blog post said they almost had everything sorted. Hopefully you won't be waiting too much longer!
What complicated belt tensioning have you had to do on the Bambu? Curious, I have over 5000 hours on my x1c and have only had to tension belts once, and it was like 5 minutes to do so.
Some people have had relatively good luck fixing the belt tension, but spend enough time in various forums and you will find that most people have a very difficult time with it. The instructions Bambu Lab provides tends to give very mixed results. My P1P is almost always printing 24/7 so I have had to do it a few times already. It really is a very hit or miss process. That being said they are very good printers that I personally recommend to most people when they ask me what to buy for their first printer
Oh you're the one working on the cooling thing, I'm really looking forward to that because that 48v power supply fan noise.
A solid covering of the highs and lows so far. I've been good after replacing my load cell and toolhead board, but haven't printed a lot that isn't calibration prints since that. Hoping to do a bed mesh at my normal PLA bed temp and printing some other actual things this weekend. Once I've got that baseline I'll definitely be looking at some of the .cfg updates that folks have put together. Also will see how changing probe accuracy to .025 goes.
It really seems a bit hit or miss with the QA on units that have gone out. As you said there's been plenty of people with issues, but some folks have been having a good time with theirs. Other than the possibly self-inflicted loadcell sensor probe issue I've been okay, fingers crossed that holds.
I have my corner screws tight until the springs weren't springy any more, I'll keep your tension tip in mind if binding issues show up as I print taller things.
Yep I'm that guy! Haha. I am hoping to print and test my "V2" design tonight. If all goes well, I will post links to where you can download the files.
The .cfg video will most likely be coming out next Friday. Want to make a few more tweaks to mine before recording that video.
QA on the Magneto X has been super hit or miss. I agree there are a few lucky ones that got printers with zero problems, but the majority of us were not as lucky. Heck I'm thankful that my problems are on the easy side of things! There are some people who have had to completely disassemble their printers multiple times already!
I also have my screws clamped down, as that's what the instructions (still) say.
the 3 brands u recommended at the end , i have 1 of each lol
I bet they all wok pretty good! haha
@@makerscorner93 yes they do
I got one of their machines, and have had a real hard time to establish a network hookup. I wrote to peopolly, and still after 2 months haven't gotten a response, even after a second request.
The heaters keep shutting off, anyway, I still cannot even print out a complete little test boat successfully. This machine has lots of issues and I have tried to return it and cannot get them to reply. I like the magnetic setup for travel. It is pretty neet. But have had real issues also with the slicer... its really a half ass slicer.
Have you tried reaching out on the discord? I know the engineers are pretty active there. Might be worth trying if you haven't already. Believe me I know first hand how stressful this printer can be, but I have to give credit where credit is due and say that I have had great support from them. At least when going through discord. I have heard from a few people who tried emailing them with zero success until they tried going through discord. This is clearly something they need to work on!
Great review. Printer with lots of potential. 5 great prints. Then problems start. Link to peopoly discord gives an invalid address. Can you -please post a link to a reliable discord?
Thanks!
This link worked for me peopoly.net/blogs/news/join-peopoly-discord-community
I was worried about this. I wish they had just released the linear motors in some common sizes and let the community have their way with them. Releasing a whole printer just risks tarnishing the whole system or killing the company because of simple mistakes. I dunno maybe that wouldn't have worked but this is less than ideal.
They were a little too ambitious considering this is there first attempt at making an FDM printer. I feel confident that they will solve most of the problems over time
With a printer like that you should get some B-Roll to dub over. Not nearly enough sexy magnet footage in this video.
Unfortunately not enough footage of the machine actually working yet lol. I have my machine finally in a mostly functional state now (after a long 2 months of troubleshooting) so I plan on doing a follow up video with a lot more footage of the actual machine. I mainly wanted to get some information out there since Peopoly is now selling to the general public and I wanted people to be able to make an informed decision whether or not to purchase it.
You are the only other person I have seen talk about bambu data theft. The printer is a Trojan horse.
I'm sure you saw all the "Bambu bros" jump in to defend their beloved company. Haha.. It boggles my mind how people are so willing to just blindly defend a company that doesn't care about them at all, just their money. Don't get me wrong I do like and use Bambu Lab products, but I don't trust the company at all. People need to realize you can like and respect a product, without being a drone for the company that makes it.
I didn't see the printer, just talk
I showed it a few times in the video however as my printer was one of the early pre-order units, there were many issues that prevented it from printing properly. Hence the lack of footage. I have had the printer for almost 9 months now and through the help of the Magneto X community and Peopoly support, my printer is working much better now (though still not without a few issues). I have a follow up review planned to go over my thoughts on the machine after having it for a longer period of time. That video will have a lot more footage of the machine.
$2000 and it isnt a consistently functional product. 🤦 Thank goodness for testers, volunteers, and lets be honest , suckers who dedicate their time, money , energy and labor to fix a multimillion dollar companies products.
This is one of the strengths and flaws of the 3d printer community. These financial juggernauts are offloading R&D, testing, safety, labor, liability and other costs to the users instead of shipping a fully functional product.
Glad to be one of those "suckers" so others don't have to be! lol.. Honestly Peopoly jumped the gun on this one. They really needed more time to smooth out all the rough edges. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for them, as much as it is for us. Thanks for watching!
@@makerscorner93 When this this is finally complete it will be a beast. Thank you for your service. 🪖lol
Just saying, they're not a multi million dollar company. I think there's about 6 employees aside from people doing the assembly, and even then I think that's only 4ish more people. It's a small team that doesn't have a ton of profit, especially as currently they are sending out upgrade/replacement parts free to current magneto owners, which is really great of them, but they're no prusa or bambu in scale
we didn't pay $2k on preorder
@@infowolfe Whether it is 2k or 1.4k does it even matter at this point?
Do you have a fully functional product for what you paid?
Wow - what a buy. You get to pay them $2000 for the privilege of being their beta testers and engineers. /facepalm
Didn't pay that much, but yeah definitely spent more than I should have especially considering it's now even cheaper than what I paid and comes with a free enclosure! A lot of us preorder people are not happy about that! I will say Peopoly support has been pretty great throughout this whole struggle. The new machines that are shipping now are working considerably better because of the hard work by the community of us "paying beta testers". I have some new parts coming for my machine this week that should HOPEFULLY fix the last of the issues I still have with my machine. I am planning a new review once I have my machine up to date with what the current machines are shipping with. Thanks for watching!
Failopoly !
Definitely "Failopoly" when I uploaded this video, but I have to give them credit where credit is due. They have been doing a lot over the months to fix everything and get the ship back on course. The Magneto X is starting to find its footing and is becoming more and more stable. It still has a few issues, but I can absolutely say that I am happy to have this printer now!