Hi, I’m Mark Peng, founder of Peopoly. Thank you for the video and the feedback, and thanks to everyone who has shared their thoughts in the comments. We launched the Magneto X a year ago at ERRF with the goal of creating a printer featuring a linear motor system, a full metal build far heavier duty than typical consumer machines (the Mag X weighs 30kg), and a high-flow toolhead. It was an ambitious project at this price point, and we dedicated all our engineering resources to it. However, we were still overwhelmed by the challenges. Pre-orders were delayed, and we faced significant pressure to ship. As we gained more experience with the Magneto X, we identified ways to improve it, leading to several updates. These updates were detailed in our July 5th blog, and we began sending free upgrade kits to existing users. In hindsight, we should have taken an additional two months to fine-tune the printer and pushed the shipping date back by another two months. Moving forward, here’s what the Peopoly team will do: - We will continue to actively support our users on Discord and via email. We’ve been sending parts and replacements whenever needed. Feel free to join our Discord server and talk directly with our users. - We still have a few upgrade kits left to send out to pre-order customers. We are speeding up the process and plan to have all kits shipped by the end of September. - Next week, we will release a driver tuning tool and guides to assist users with motor calibration. - We are also fine-tuning Orca profiles for our materials and will upload them as soon as they are ready. Thank you all again for your continued support and patience!
While i dont got an Magneto X and dont plan to get one in the close future, im really happy that you are commited to the project the way you are. I got a RatRigVcore 4, most of my willingness to buy parts directly from them even if i could selfsource a bunch was, to support a company that tries to be bold and transparent at the same time. For me, all the videos i saw about the Magneto X, gave me a similar impression of your philosophy. I hope you stay true to that, since there are a bunch of people who will allways honor a company for doing that! All the best
Hi Mark ! It's very appreciated to see your devotion in making this machine a great workhorse. I think it has the potential to be a leader for future generation of machine. However, I was wondering, are you planning to make a high temperature head able to reach 350°C for exemple ? As well as a heated chamber upgrade ? It could be great for printing PPS-CF, High temp Nylons and other engineering materials !
As a fellow manufacturer, kudos to you for standing up and being accountable. You have my respect and best of luck to you in the future. I hope you work everything out.
Mine is awful. I have owned it for months, and have spent all of that time dealing with their support team, trying to diagnose and fix various issues. I'm close to having replaced most of the machine at this point. Do not buy. Avoid at all costs. Update: after a lot of back and forth and some initial troubleshooting with my replacement unit, I can say that I am now a satisfied customer. I will leave this up as is. I don't think that this machine for everyone, but for someone looking for a larger format printer, this is a fun platform to both experiment with and to use. Thank you again to the Peopoly team for all your help.
I think you are in the same boat as me, and I was suggested I should return the printer for a full refund. Wait a few months. Then, buy the latest model and try again. Which honestly sounds like a great idea at this point.
People have issues with the FLSun Delta and the lack of fixes for a similar priced machine. I applaud Mark and his team with their commitment to the community to help make the printer better. I do have one, it is an early testing unit and they have been great working through every issue with me. Like stated in the comments I have also had issues with PETG but switching to a non steel nozzle has fixed the issue. Just saying I would rather have a company that cares and wants to improve upon and listen to the feedback of the community and customers. This is the first commercially available printer of its kind and the first FDM printer from Peopoly, any chance of looking at the positives in this situation? My experience working with Mark and his team has been stellar, I am sure they are willing to fix whatever problems come before them in whatever ways possible.
Ya more people need to realize steel nozzles don't have the thermal conductivity for fast printing. A brass or copper nozzle is much better for a machine like this that is clearly built for speed.
That is a very key question, why linear motor on 3D printer? Print quality is influenced by many factors, not all of which are related to the motion system. Users have told us that the two key reasons they chose the Mag X are its lower maintenance-thanks to the lack of belts-and its higher precision.
Build volume. At a point around 300mm+ you want to use ball screws because of the belts you would have to slow down the print speed/acceleration. I’m looking into modding a CNC to fit a Hotend.
I'm trying to imagine, as an engineer, explaining to my boss that the printer we bought needs /any/ amount of work to produce the expected parts. It would not be a fun conversation.
There's no real conversation except "Thought this would be a good choice due to x y z, it turns out to be not great, we have returned it and have gone for a more conventional choice within this price range."
We understand that some users are looking for a more turn-key solution, and it's something we’re actively working towards with future updates. Magneto X was designed for users who want a linear motor based heavy duty all metal printers pushing boundaries on open source firmware, but we also want to ensure it’s accessible to a wider audience. Your feedback is important, and we’re committed to improving the ease of use. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
It's the power to weight ratio that matters, lighter moving masses equals higher speed and acceleration. The only limitation comes from the belt elongation, sadly the rack pinion mechanism is not yet fully utilized for 3D Printers, "it's patented".
We also have Bambu machines, and they are fantastic. That said, you can actually print a bit faster on the Mag X, even when using the same material. In fact, we have several print farms running Mag X machines, pumping out dragons efficiently.
I have one of the first Kickstarter printers. I have been pretty happy with it so far, and the free upgrades and improvements keep coming at a steady pace. I have found it to be a very good and reliable printer for making ASA and Nylon parts for my business. Not as plug and play as my Bambu printers for sure, it would be tough to have a fleet of these as they do require slight amounts of tinkering. But if you are some one looking at building a Voron or Ratrig, and don't want to do the weeks of assembly and tuning, then I think it's a solid option and has quality parts.
Worth mentioning that its not a completely clean build of klipper just yet, though there's a bunch of pending commits from them to get into a clean klipper 12, so we'll see what the timeline is. I've had mine since May, and i did go in knowing there was going to be tinkering needed and time for them to update things with the price break (it was 1400) we got in that preorder wave. I agree its not amything near turnkey yet, but they do keep progressing, customer support when issues pop up has been great, and they have been very receptive of community feedback, so i am hopimg it'll get there eventually. I did have to replace a loadcell thanks possibly to slightly confusing z up/down movement icons, which they've I think fixed in the latest firmware, but since then I've had a good experience with it. Granted, I'm only using PLA and PLA+ so far, and i know i have to run new calibration test prints for each brand/type/color of filament. With the medium melt zone and the .4 nozzle, generally my flow tests measure 23-24 mm^2/s, so i have my PLA profiles set 21-22 depending to give a bit of a buffer. Brands, if it's helpful to anyone, are Inland/eSun PLA+, eryone pla high speed, 3d fuel pro pla, and the obligatory flashforge burnt titanium pla everyone on earth got in the prime day sale. I have found it doesn't like the newer cardboard spool Inland stuff as much as my other printers, layer adhesion on that has been iffy, even when bumpimg up temps. I know that I've been super lucky in not running into some issues, and some people have had an absolutely awful time with their units no matter how much tinkering or part replacing they've done. Kissler, who commented here, has gone through it, i feel really bad for all he's done that hasn't worked. The vertical line artifact issue he first brought up is something that seems to happen for a lot of people, myself included, I'm hoping Propoly can chase that down. Bed flatness is something that a lot of people have dealt with as well, I had a larger range than I'd like, but i mostly print smaller parts so i haven't been as impacted by that. The other night i wanted templates to cut foam for lining boxes for a project ive been working on. I measured the space with my calipers, threw those numbers into tinkercad, made sure I was using outer wall first in the slicer and sent it. The first print worked great, and the resulting foam pieces fit perfectly, so accuracy is definitely there once you've done the tuning and fiddled with slicer settings. It's been happily cranking out boxes for that project at speed too, filament just seems to evaporate and watching the spool turning continuously as it's going at 21mm^2/s hasn't gotten old yet. I need to order a bunch more filament. If you're thinking of getting one, size is definitely a thing, but also keep power in mind. It's a 1000-watt mains bed that pulls 9 and change amps when the bed is initially heating up. You could get away with it on a 15 amp circuit if there isn't a lot else on it, and many are, but if you've got a 20 amp circuit outlet you can get to where it might fit, that might be a better location. So yeah, a bit of a mixed bag, and I've been lucky to avoid some of the problems that have popped up, but now I've got things dialed in, for my use case so far I'm quite happy with mine and looking forward to future updates. I'd love to see your TPU profile if you wind up publishing it. I've been thinking about using it for another project and was going to wait to look into it until someone came up with a good profile to start with.
Hi Noah here. Thank you for your feedback and kind words. - You made a great point about Klipper 0.12. We’ve seen some users successfully implement it, but we haven’t committed to it yet because we want to avoid rushing and potentially causing issues with other users' printers. We plan to take a closer look at this in October, after we return from 3DPrintopia and complete this production cycle. - Inland PLA+ is a good material, but it’s known for having a lower flow rate compared to others. I recall another user running it at a max flow rate of 15mm³/s on the Mag X, and even slower on other machines. - We're working on improving bed leveling results. Expect updates to the bed mesh points soon, and we’re also testing pre-heating the nozzle to see if that improves performance. - The wiper is on the way! If you’re attending 3DPrintopia later this month, feel free to come by and pick one up.
@peopoly hey Noah, appreciate all the work you're putting in, through email and on Discord. The leveling improvements sound promising, admittedly I may be a little behind as I'm still running the 1.1.10 firmware as it's been working for me. For just appearance, the Inland printed okay at up to 18ish mm^2/s set at 230-235 for the hotend, it just wouldn't stand up to much strain perpendicular to the layer lines. I make things that potentially need to hold very dense objects with some lateral load due to geometry, so I summon the spirit of Florida Man to assist in my stress testing to be extra sure they won't fail. :) I want to make it to 3DP, even if I can't I'm looking forward to the wiper as the "well we've got some extra room, what can we do with it" was a neat surprise. Hope you and the team are able to have some fun in among all the chaos of an event like that. :)
Great review. The printer has a lot of promise but still a little ways to go. What I think is important is that it seems like it's actively moving in the right direction. I'm currently evaluating one and I'll reserve judgement till I have a little more time with it. Something that potential buyers may find interesting is that there are a ton of tweaks on printers shipping now that aren't even on Michael's "production" printer. Some of those I can think of include ~retaining brackets at the top of the lead screws, ~beefier 1 piece Z carriage brackets, ~the steppers are sunk into the deck now (potentially a little more Z?), ~wider stance to the feet, ~deleted the side door option, ~new pattern for electronics cover, ~internal wire management, ~yet another wifi antenna design, ~cable chain differences, ~countersink and hardware changes, ETC. Not all upgrades, some are just optimizing production or efficiency I imagine. For example, they are back to shipping the bed attached, but are doing it differently to avoid damage. The point is, they aren't sitting idle with this thing, they really are TRYING to make it something good.
which "production version" lol.. I have mine and I still don't have a unit that has all the things the 'current' buyable model has. While I have discovered a few problems - we haven't been able to solve my original problem of the first layers are not going down properly. Peopoly is working on a LED strip as well... but again, it seems like they just needed another year or so to get all this data and THEN release it. There are some QoL/nice to haves on the latest model that my model simply can't get. (drilled/tapped holes in the extrusions required) for like the top of the Z screws having a new retention system. From what I know there is the "beta" unit, the "pre purchase" unit, the "upgraded pre purchase" unit and the "currently purchasable pre purchase unit" each with slightly different hardware, but just... far too many changes to be considered the same actual printer. We went into 'that's great they are working on it' into "ok this is a nightmare to troubleshoot based on which version you actually have' really, really fast.
Hey @xXKisskerXx, this is Noah. I’ve been the main point of contact for you in the chat, with Vin assisting me. Your printer has had the most issues out of all the units and we sent you several parts. As you may recall, I previously offered you the option of a refund or a replacement unit. Together, we decided to try and get your current unit working. That replacement offer still stands, and I remain fully committed to ensuring everything works properly for you. I just saw your message in the group. Let's chat there.
A few years ago I got a Creality Ender 5 Pro, and last year I bought a Bambulab X1C. After having the X1C I don't want any printers anymore that requires any tinkering whatsoever (especially not settings for filaments). The Ender 5 Pro is now used as a filament dries (same way you can use the build plate on an X1C to dry filaments), attached the hotend fan cables to a fan that I attached to a cardboard box for some airflow when drying filaments. I'd never buy a printer like this even if the hardware was better than the X1C.
It certainly sounds like Peopoly are trying to get this printer right and working with reviewers. (unlike some other companies) I think Bambulabs have set the gold standard for turnkey printers
Nice they went for open source and the magnetic drive has potential. Once early adopters help solve the issues it would make a nice production printer.
I was having trouble printing PETG with a hardened steel nozzle. I changed to bimetal that was plated copper with hard steel tip. All globs from sticking to nozzle went away! Went on with great nylon and PCCF prints. It would be interesting for you to review bimetal nozzle on this printer vs HS, running Orca slicer calibrations.
I have a Snapmaker J1, absolutely love it, they have release updates to the fans, hotend and hotend fans since release and I have not had any issues, Would love to see you do a review of that.This printer just wasn't ready for release. Keep up the good work.
While i do feel that at this price point, things should be a bit more polished, at the same time my first and only printer started as a ender 3 v2 neo that is so heavily modified its hard to even call it a v2 neo. Most of my upgrades have been around the motion system, from drivers, motors, rails, belts, pulleys and considering the magneto x eliminates all of that, it may well be worth it to have basically the perfect motion system out of the box. No need to calibrate belt tension, then re calibrate for x/y dimensional changes due to belt stretch. no vfa's from belt edges rubbing on the side of the pulley due to the pulleys not being square with each other, causing the belt to track side to side. If the main downside at this point (free upgrade replacement parts aside) is the hotend. How easy is it to replace with aftermarket options? Again at this price point, seems kinda crazy but considering the motion system, idk?
The nozzle on the Magneto X is an E3D V6 Volcano style, so you have plenty of options. We even wrote a blog comparing the CHT, DiamondBack, and our own nozzle on the medium-length melt zone. All three easily achieved over 30 mm³/s, and we still have a longer melt zone to test.
@@peopoly Thanks for the reply and pardon my poor phrasing in my original comment. Im not really concerned with the nozzle and more so curious about replacing the entire hotend/coldside/extruder/toolhead assembly. If the extruder feeder is currently the limiting option with its pulling/pushing force, im just curious about the compatibility of 3rd party upgrades. Considering the printer does run standard klipper, i suppose the idea isnt really out of the question. I also dont expect the manufacture to touch on this subject since im asking about using (non oem) / (non oem warrantied) parts.
It’s an impressive piece of kit but it feels they have a long way to go. They might be setting themselves up for lots of unhappy customers that didn’t want the level of tinkering that seems to be needed. If they could get it to the point that it is plug and play like the BAMBU’s then for me it would be worth considering. As it stands now having a nice enclosure and some unique properties are all a bit overkill when the core function needs so much tweaking
Thank you for your feedback! We understand that the Magneto X may feel like it requires more tinkering compared to some plug-and-play options like the Bambu. Our goal with Magneto X was to provide linear motor based, heavy duty all metal printers for users who enjoy pushing the limits of their prints. That said, we’re always looking to improve the user experience, and we’re actively working on updates and improvements to reduce the need for adjustments and make it easier for all types of users. We appreciate your patience and suggestions as we continue to evolve the product!
@@peopoly It would have been nice if that had been communicated when you opened the preorder way back when though. With that kinda statement I wouldn’t have bought mine, and what others here have complained about-badly communicated changes, updates that earlier printers will never be able to get, the involvement to fit upgrades (not easy plug and play, but very low level assembly needed, …), etc-rings very much true for me too. This printer may have a few nice mechanical aspects and ideas to it, but as a product, it’s a pretty bad failure that put off a lot of previously enthusiastic customers. I was a pretty big proponent of yours before I got the printer, and happy to wait to get a mature machine, but we waited and _still_ got half baked alpha units.
6:16 I just wanna say, any discussion about you being an 'influencer' aside, this kind of back-and-forth work to not just improve things under the hood but also keep you in the loop, help tune things on your end, and even supply better, improved parts, is.... really freakin' amazing?? like, SO many companies will just send out some flashy, pretty, hot new printer to youtube influencers and be like "yo this is our thing tell everyone how much you love it" and then you never hear from them again. Meanwhile Peopoly is out here sending you every little improvement as they work on it and such. It's still a damn shame that companies can't just, y'know, wait until their product is properly finished before launching it. Whether it's game companies or physical products, this seems to be a trend. But on the upside, I think there's something particularly special about the maker community, this idea that even when a product is 'done' or 'finished' and shipped out to consumers, it can still have a lifetime of improvements. Even something as small as those simply little prints to hold the acrylic panels more stably - absolutely great idea there and I think a fine example of how even a theoretically 'finished' product can still be continuously enhanced by both the community and the company. slightly related tangent - I work in the industry of document/paperwork processing and my day-to-day involves babysitting a few half-a-million-dollar machines that are just glorified automated scanners. They have sensors out the wazoo, and one of the common problems with the machines, is that the row of sensors to track where a paper is along the ~12 feet of machinery, is right at the exact same height as the top hole in a 3-hole-punched paper. Unfortunately this means that the machine - which detects paper EDGES - detects the hole as the end of a paper and the start of a new paper and gets confused. the company recently pushed an update that simply checks the timing of that sensor and, if it's within a certain range, essentially treats it like a debounce. Now the half-a-million dollar machine is no longer locking up every time a three-hole-punched paper goes through it. (for those wondering I work in remittance processing and the machine is an ibml fusion.) I feel like this sort of thing, where the community goes "hey this could be done better" and then the company goes "here's what we've done to add XYZ feature or improve on ABC problem" is what makes the maker community so great to be a part of. (edit: just saw that they're also active here in the comments. Wild. Love that companies are adapating to the internet in this kind of way, feels almost halfway between twitter and a forum, hah!)
"Documentation and access do make this a pretty good printer to work on" I have a feeling in a few months, once they really iron out their 'final' design, it'll be a pretty easy decision between this and Bambu's offering. I got my mom into making thanks to recommending a glowforge and she's really enjoyed it but the 3D printing itch is hitting her hard and I keep telling her to hold off until the dust settles a bit in this area :)
TBH this list of drawbacks makes me more confident in the printer. The problems seem to have straightforward solutions, and the openness of their approach is attractive, as is the build volume and lack of pulleys. This might be my next printer. Update: drat, no delivery to Canada.
I was an early Magneto X preorder and returned mine and bought a Prusa XL. Nothing but great things to say about Peopoly, but the printer needed much more testing before shipping.
The concept with the linear motors is great, but I think the printer is too expensive for the amount of tinkering you have to do. For the price it should work out of the box.
from this review, i like the attitude of Peopoly and the Magneto X. unfortunately, i'm one of the noobs who cannot do all this high maintenance and can only work with a plug and play type situation. i do hope that Peopoly will continue to improve on this and hopefully, maybe a Magneto X2 or X3 will fix all of these issues because i am definitely intrigued by its technology and would love to own one eventually. but not at this time though.
They got some nice stuff , but on other side it seems they released it a bit to soon still i find it amazing that they can make it work on electro magnets , hope they can sort it out in 6 months or so :D
Is it just me or was anyone else expecting to hear more about why this printer provides more dimensional accuracy, I mean if it is, as the video title reads, "THE BEST 3D PRINTER FOR ENGINEERS?".
Not just you. I started with an Ender 3v2 and have since moved to a Bambu Lab P1S. The jump was significant and I've been waiting for a jump as significant to come along that's not at an industrial grade price point. My printer "just works" as they commonly say, but I still have to "live with" the common shortcomings like suboptimal support removal conditions of internal cavities, or sacrificing appearance of my print due to my part orientation because I need to prioritize the strength of the part. I'd like to try an SLS printer but that's WAY outside of my budget.
@@RYTHMICRIOT I don't think there will really be another jump as big as from budget cartesians to the new small CoreXYs. I think the main thing here is the relatively huge size with a similar quality to the Bambu printers, though you don't get the automatic profiles but you also aren't really locked into any Bambu-specific filament or software. A RatRig or a Voron 2.4 would get you similar quality with similar filament calibration needed (plus some extra for the initial calibration of the printer itself), but with way more effort needed to actually build it. My main issue I've had with my Magneto X is that I had my X axis keep dropping communication, at which point it loses its absolute position and has to cancel the print. Replacing it wouldn't have been that bad except that everything was hot glued like crazy, leading to what people on the Peopoly Discord have been calling Gluegate.
What's your experience with it now? I hear from others that the new versions are more solid of an experience and i'm trying to figure out if i'm pulling the trigger tomorrow on the $1199 deal they have going. I can tweak and calibrate but if it gets in the way of actually printing, i don't think i could make the leap. The older versions seem to have issues and there's probably not that many new ones out there which makes it hard to find people with updated info on them now :/
That's too bad about the slicer tuning. These days as far as I'm concerned the printer is as much about the software as it is the hardware and if the software isn't there the printer isn't there.
@@nevermind6270 depending on which printers you've used I can understand you feeling that way but these days that's simply not true. Both Bambu and prusa have excellent profiles. On my P1P I've only ever had to adjust temperature flow and pressure advance a single time for each type of material and I didn't even have to do that I just did it because I wanted the prints to be perfect. With those simple adjustments the only time I've ever had a print failure was when I caused it by selecting the wrong material or something like that.
The profiles definitely need more tuning, and we plan to share updated, fine-tuned profiles later this month. The Magneto X’s extra-long melt zone also affects many existing profile calibration techniques, so we’ll be publishing a guide to help users better tune their profiles for different filaments.
@@nevermind6270 Lol, of course it's a disadvantage. Having to spend hours calibrating to get functional prints is a massive waste of time and money. Buy a Bambu and you'll change your mind.
The retraction issues and layer bands will be very difficult to be fully solved because the linear motors and extruder are not synchronized. The linear motors are physically positionally delayed from 3~10ms compared to the position command. My clearpath servos were around this time value of delay. If moving at 200mm/s and a positional delay of 5ms, that means you are 1mm out of position. Even more amplified if you are accelerating. The extruder uses a stepper, it has much better response time of around 1ms or less. This results in retractions happening too early. A potential reduction of this issue is to hard code a small delay ~5ms to the extruder. Maybe you can do something with coasting settings. I never got clearpath servos to work well so I switched back to steppers. You can clearly see the positional lag effect when you have your X-axis with servo and Y-axis as stepper. If you print a tiny circle, it turns into an oval. This issue is multiplied when you have high accelerations, high speeds, and high flow nozzle; all of which the magneto X has. A solution that will completely solve everything is switching away from on-demand STEP/DIR signal and go into "look ahead" motion planning. You can tune the system to preemptively anticipate the positional delay so everything can be synchronized. This look-ahead feature is used in high end metal cutting CNC machines. Klipper's core motion code will probably need a major rewrite to implement this. Peopoly team seems to be legit and I have confidence and hope that they will only continue to improve and innovate!
I think this printer will eventually become the gold standard with its linear motors, similar to when Bambu launched its core xy. However, at the moment it’s just not there. I’ll check them out again after another year.
How flat was the bed? Can you share the bed leveling data from klipper? Printing engineering filaments is great but if your print is not flat because the bed is warped by 2 mm.. I have the K1 Max and the ned warps horribly when heated up to 100 degrees. Wonder if this is any better.
I started with an Ender 3v2. I've since moved onto a Bambu Lab P1S and I've been using that for a year. I'm waiting for the next step but I haven't seen anything yet outside of more advanced technology like sintering, but that's still not really attainable by most people.
That’s a fair point, and we’re committed to improving the Mag X as much as possible. We’ve been in the industry since 2016, and we’re always striving to enhance our products.
Peopoly has been around for almost 10 years and even if the magneto x isn't an ultimate printer the fact they created these cheap linear motors like that is a huge step forward for the technology. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to get by just selling and refining the motors since slicers and klipper don't need to have anything adjusted in them as far as I've seen. I'd love to put linear motors in my ratrig.
It's definitely a neat idea, and seems to be on the way in, but probably not going to be on my radar, at least not for a while; just a bit too op for what I anticipate I'll need
I own one and my experience has been pretty good. It's not as turn-key as a Bambu or Prusa machine for sure. I went in knowing I'd be using a beta product. Compared to a diy machine its really not bad. I've used a lot of high end consumer/low end industrial machines that are way worse.
Hi. What do you think printer is better to construct. I looked at Core 4 and Voron Trident. I prefer to print ABS, Neylon, TPU and sometime PETG. I want to assemble it myself. Thanks
I had to replace the load cell and the x-axis cable. That being said, I do like the machine. If there is one thing that I think would make it better, it's getting rid of the load cell. The measured range feels inconsistent, so I'd rather have a klicky probe or a beacon. Do make sure that you have absolutely no filament on the magnetic surface under the build plate. I was downright surprised when it actually turned a flat surface into one 0.4mm high. Lost a few prints because my nozzle was basically pressed to the metal at that point and unable to push any material out.
I also had to replace mine. The X axis cable was a nightmare with all the hot glue. The load cell I did at the same time as the most intense filament jam I've experienced, which I'm thinking now is because of a large amount of heat creep when the enclosure is shut, which is too much for PLA to handle. At least the extruder comes off with only two bolts that are pretty easy to access. That said the load cell is much more preferable if you print at different bed temperatures. PLA at 50C, PETG at 70C, and PC at 120C can cause a spread of like half a mm on inductive probes. My old printer I was forced to babysit the first layer to set a manual Z offset for each print. This one has been nearly set and forget. Bed mesh has been good too. Although sometimes while idle, the load cell freaks out and causes Klipper to do an emergency shutdown. It's not really an issue but a bit annoying and weird. I think it's resetting its calibration based on the ranges its seen in the last couple hours, which while idle is very narrow?
@@widget5963 I forgot about that. Until I disabled that check, I had to restart my printer after a print finished due to that M112 error. I believe the intent behind it was to panic when your probe rams the print bed when it's not in use, but it's a hair trigger after the printer has been in use or when you're trying to reload filament halfway through a print. Had to redo several prints when I shook the print head trying to change the filament.
I'm hoping Peopoly keeps refining and eventually releases the linear motors for other machines too. It'd be so fun to build a voron or a ratrig vcore 4 with these since apparently they make a second print head a near drop in process. It is nice they've been releasing update and fixes for people, but between this and the prusa XL there's been a bit of a trend with "release now fix later" I'm not liking.
They have preorders up for individual magnetic linear motors, but they say it's not suitable for combining them to make positioning systems, which it seems like they're planning on doing at some later point.
3D printer consumers have been too kind to those companies, imagine you buy a laser printer and have to constantly tap into the system and adjust internal settings. I would immediately return such unfinished prototype.
How is glue stick hard to clean off any surface? Sink, warm water, dish soap, dish cloth. Rinse well, dry, hold plate by edges or using a cloth/paper towel. Removes glue stick, liquid glue, oily fingerprints.
This is the difference between real engineering and testing and rushing out a product. Bambu Labs is the benchmark in the industry. if a company cant match quality and refinement they shoudnt ship
It seems like a lot of the time, unfortunately even with expensive printers, customers serve as testers... This sucks especially when it's not like you are getting a discount for doing that. That's why I always advise people to not buy the first drop of any printer. With cheap printers being a test rat is what I'd expect but it's been happening with everything lately so it's better to wait for RUclipsrs to review stuff and companies to apply those fixes etc. before you jump in. People are really too hasty with everything nowadays... Same goes for gaming but that's another can of worms.
Yeah, it's 2024 and 3D printers shouldn't be a hobby itself -- but rather a tool for your hobbies!!! Imagine buying a drill and having to spend a week to get it working properly, and then every time you use it for serious work, you have to redoo the calibration for it to work again. Fuuuuuuuck that.
Watching this makes me glad to have a Bambu X1C. I used (and slowly modified over a number of years) an Ender 3 V2; which was great for the money, and rewarding to tinker with and upgrade. However, the Bambu X1C "just works" (which it should do for the cost). This Magneto X seems to have the cost of the Bambu and the reliability/requirement to tinker of the Ender 3; which doesn't strike me as a great combination - even given its build volume advantages.
@@SkateSoup Thanks. I was one of the first in the second round of orders (some of which seem like they got the upgrades pre-installed), so it makes sense that I haven't gotten mine yet.
100% agree with this review. Or 99%-there’s a couple issues with the hardware as is, too, which shows Peopoly don’t have much FDM experience yet and haven’t done the crazy amounts of development, tuning and testing the likes of bambulab have done for their printers. And stuff like the upgrade kits being sent out w/o any instructions, etc, isn’t ideal either. But ehh… you live and you learn I guess.
They use linear motors but it doesn’t seem like they provide any advantage if you have to cap your flowrate to 15-22mm3/s Even the quality is worse so it’s pointless
Id hate to see the guys that buy this and dont have a channel. You just get the replacements and upgrades, who is to say everyone else isnt getting shafted as the thing gets updated. I had this with a Snapmaker when they first released. HORRIBLE machine that people sold like crazy online (many issues on launch they never replaced the parts for). Me... I was told I'd receive it in 1 month. It comes in 6 months. I then go to have it shipped and they mess up the delivery address 5 times delaying 2 more months, me emailing everyday and getting 1 response every 2 weeks. Then once they shipped it, it was lost for a week. One printer I order before this which was their older model on amazon was lost as well (which rarely happens, seems odd its that company). If a printer hasnt been out for over a year and is some unique model, like hell I am going to try and buy it because its just going to be an absolute nightmare.
Replicator 1 and 2 and flashforge clones of them. Had a machined steel build plate. Too bad a machined build plate heater sandwich doesn't make anything better in any sort of way vs glass and such. Had to use tape too on it(for most stuft anyway). Of course delta printers usually have a circular plate.
@@lassikinnunen ah yes, I haven't though of delta printers 😅 I would much prefer a rectangular build plate. I rarely have big prints, but if I do it is long in only one axis most of the time
I think I am just going to avoid CF materials in general, regardless of the results. They do also say that sanding will cause particles to become airborne regardless. It's also not even that much stronger/resilient than just plain filaments, so I actually don't understand why people were using them in the first place, other than to say "I use Carbon Fiber in my printing".
What's the point of a printer that turns off the motors and bed if you wait too long to replace a roll? I've never had a printer do that, not even an old ender 3 clone and certainly not anything I currently use
It uses Klipper firmware, which means that the amount of time it will wait is a setting that can be changed. The default setting is usually pretty conservative for safety reasons, but if you wanted to you could set it to stay heated for a week while it waits for you to change the filament. In Klipper this is controlled by a variable in your configuration file called "idle _timeout."
So based on the results of your poll almost 40% want minimal tuning and over 75% want a baseline that’s useable that they can improve if they need to. Not the way you seem to be concluding it. Like I would have answered I prefer to have a good baseline but am happy to test and tune from there but that doesn’t mean I want to do tuning. It means if you give me tuning that just works great but if I need to dial it in I can and I don’t mind doing it.
I just don't get why you would spend 2k on the Magneto, when for 1.5k you could get the X1C+AMS. The X1C has been literally perfect for me since day 1 with no major issues, basically no tuning required, and the AMS is such a nice feature to have that i have highly considered buying 2 more just so I can have 12 rolls of filament ready to go with 0 set up time to use them. The only thing the Magneto seems to have going for it is its build volume, but there are plenty of other printers that you can get for 2k that have as big or bigger, and seem like they just work better. Im not saying the Magneto is a bad printer or anything, but its so vastly overpriced, even being on sale.
For me at least it's build volume and the fact that the software is just as open-source-friendly as a Voron. Bambu did eventually open-source their slicer but not very willingly.
I start to dislike the word "open source". Whenever I hear it, I have a feeling that I will need to spend a lot of time tweaking and improving things, that the printer producer needed to fix themselves, not me as a consumer :D
It's quite... "nice" and the movement system...too. BUT: In 2024 (in the Bambu era) I have absolutely no desire to spend weeks and months with painful and frustrating Silcer and material tuning... for 1600 $/¢/¥€/£. Thanks. But no thanks
Like what my piano teacher always used to say “I don’t care about quantity, I care about quality”. They were clearly only thinking about the dough than making sure the product actually delivered. Cutting corners is never good. When I saw this printer I was going to pull the trigger and purchase. I need an FDM that has a 400mm bed for producing parts and clearly after seeing multiple reviews videos on this unit I refuse to be a guinea. Anybody recommend another printer with a 400mm print bed that prints fast?
I’d say Bambi labs still have the upper hand here, specially at that price point. WAY too expensive for what it is imo. Right now we should be at plug and play levels for high end 3d printers. Again, bad bylaws has proven that. And for anyone who pops on and says well even they have to be tweaked…. My 70 year old father in law bought a x1 carbon and has been non stop printing sine he installed it months ago with 0 issues, 0 tinkering, and with no issues. That’s where things should be across the board for $1500+ printers.
The best printer for engineers? I would have though that a printer of such description would be a machine printing advanced filaments and objects. A machine that works all the time. An engineer is a professional that uses company time to make products. But the truth is that you have to be an engineer in order to use it, fix it and modify it.
yea that expensive enclosure is mostly just the smoked acrylic panels too, and some models were designed to have like 2mm thick version to be flush with the frame, while some of the panels are actually 3mm thick due to changes they made between revisions. It's honestly a pretty big nightmare overall, sadly.
I had good expectations for the Magneto X but it looks like they rushed it out to market too quickly. Much like the Prusa XL I think they should have a closed beta soft launch where people who join the program are willing to deal with the growing pains and provide feedback and help solve problems at an insider pricing format or a unti provided beta test like relationship. When you're straying from the beaten path like the 2 above you need to be much more cautious about your product launch. I think customers would prefer a delayed but finely tuned product at that price over an expensive project that requires this much effort. I was somewhat of an early adopter for the X1C and yes it had its share of growing pains but they pale in comparison to what was experienced here and frankly better than most new product launches in this market. 3D printing manufacturers need to be more realistic when launching new products.
Hi, I’m Mark Peng, founder of Peopoly.
Thank you for the video and the feedback, and thanks to everyone who has shared their thoughts in the comments.
We launched the Magneto X a year ago at ERRF with the goal of creating a printer featuring a linear motor system, a full metal build far heavier duty than typical consumer machines (the Mag X weighs 30kg), and a high-flow toolhead. It was an ambitious project at this price point, and we dedicated all our engineering resources to it. However, we were still overwhelmed by the challenges. Pre-orders were delayed, and we faced significant pressure to ship. As we gained more experience with the Magneto X, we identified ways to improve it, leading to several updates. These updates were detailed in our July 5th blog, and we began sending free upgrade kits to existing users.
In hindsight, we should have taken an additional two months to fine-tune the printer and pushed the shipping date back by another two months.
Moving forward, here’s what the Peopoly team will do:
- We will continue to actively support our users on Discord and via email. We’ve been sending parts and replacements whenever needed. Feel free to join our Discord server and talk directly with our users.
- We still have a few upgrade kits left to send out to pre-order customers. We are speeding up the process and plan to have all kits shipped by the end of September.
- Next week, we will release a driver tuning tool and guides to assist users with motor calibration.
- We are also fine-tuning Orca profiles for our materials and will upload them as soon as they are ready.
Thank you all again for your continued support and patience!
While i dont got an Magneto X and dont plan to get one in the close future, im really happy that you are commited to the project the way you are. I got a RatRigVcore 4, most of my willingness to buy parts directly from them even if i could selfsource a bunch was, to support a company that tries to be bold and transparent at the same time. For me, all the videos i saw about the Magneto X, gave me a similar impression of your philosophy. I hope you stay true to that, since there are a bunch of people who will allways honor a company for doing that! All the best
Hi Mark ! It's very appreciated to see your devotion in making this machine a great workhorse. I think it has the potential to be a leader for future generation of machine.
However, I was wondering, are you planning to make a high temperature head able to reach 350°C for exemple ? As well as a heated chamber upgrade ? It could be great for printing PPS-CF, High temp Nylons and other engineering materials !
As a fellow manufacturer, kudos to you for standing up and being accountable. You have my respect and best of luck to you in the future. I hope you work everything out.
Does this video was sponsored ?
@@RoroBar-k8e 1:54 Maybe watch the video.
Mine is awful. I have owned it for months, and have spent all of that time dealing with their support team, trying to diagnose and fix various issues. I'm close to having replaced most of the machine at this point. Do not buy. Avoid at all costs.
Update: after a lot of back and forth and some initial troubleshooting with my replacement unit, I can say that I am now a satisfied customer. I will leave this up as is. I don't think that this machine for everyone, but for someone looking for a larger format printer, this is a fun platform to both experiment with and to use. Thank you again to the Peopoly team for all your help.
I think you are in the same boat as me, and I was suggested I should return the printer for a full refund. Wait a few months. Then, buy the latest model and try again. Which honestly sounds like a great idea at this point.
Thanks. I hate when reviews are manufacturer friendly.
Basically free ccksuccking.
@@xXKisskerXxWere you able to actually return it or did support fight you on it?
At least with an Ender, you can easily modify it to make it print better.
Could you describe the problem you have?
People have issues with the FLSun Delta and the lack of fixes for a similar priced machine. I applaud Mark and his team with their commitment to the community to help make the printer better. I do have one, it is an early testing unit and they have been great working through every issue with me. Like stated in the comments I have also had issues with PETG but switching to a non steel nozzle has fixed the issue. Just saying I would rather have a company that cares and wants to improve upon and listen to the feedback of the community and customers. This is the first commercially available printer of its kind and the first FDM printer from Peopoly, any chance of looking at the positives in this situation? My experience working with Mark and his team has been stellar, I am sure they are willing to fix whatever problems come before them in whatever ways possible.
Ya more people need to realize steel nozzles don't have the thermal conductivity for fast printing. A brass or copper nozzle is much better for a machine like this that is clearly built for speed.
If the motors don't immediately result in superior quality, then what is the point? Lower maintenance?
That, and tolerances. The accuracy is incredible
@@ThisisDD All printers are
That is a very key question, why linear motor on 3D printer?
Print quality is influenced by many factors, not all of which are related to the motion system. Users have told us that the two key reasons they chose the Mag X are its lower maintenance-thanks to the lack of belts-and its higher precision.
@@peopolythe video clearly showed that the layers aren't stacked correctly so where is the higher precision you are mentioning?
Build volume. At a point around 300mm+ you want to use ball screws because of the belts you would have to slow down the print speed/acceleration.
I’m looking into modding a CNC to fit a Hotend.
I'm trying to imagine, as an engineer, explaining to my boss that the printer we bought needs /any/ amount of work to produce the expected parts. It would not be a fun conversation.
Especially for the price and right out of the box... Would probably be a fast convo indeed.
The price is low to a company. We paid $43,000 for our first 3D printer at work, and a Raise3D is $6000 and up.
@@rsilvers129 The price is astronomical for the quality you get. 'Being a company' isn't some free ticket to waste money on junk.
There's no real conversation except "Thought this would be a good choice due to x y z, it turns out to be not great, we have returned it and have gone for a more conventional choice within this price range."
@@oyuyuy The price difference gets smaller if you consider that every wasted hour of an engineer from a print failure is about $100-$200 of salary.
For that $ I’d want something a little more turn-key.
I was thinking just that
sadly this is my experience myself.
I own one and it's really not that bad if you have a little experience printing. I've used more expensive machines that are way worse.
No shapers graphs shown, seems not better then ratrig v4
We understand that some users are looking for a more turn-key solution, and it's something we’re actively working towards with future updates. Magneto X was designed for users who want a linear motor based heavy duty all metal printers pushing boundaries on open source firmware, but we also want to ensure it’s accessible to a wider audience. Your feedback is important, and we’re committed to improving the ease of use. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I love mine, huge improvement from my heavily modded cr-10 v2
Buying anything else is an update over a Creality printer. That's a pretty low standard to use.
@@TheTurbinator lmao true
@@TheTurbinatorI loved my Enders but do also love my P1s
I love the idea of linear motors on all axis. But I'm so use to using the Bambu machines just by turning them on and hitting print that I'm spoiled.
It's the power to weight ratio that matters, lighter moving masses equals higher speed and acceleration. The only limitation comes from the belt elongation, sadly the rack pinion mechanism is not yet fully utilized for 3D Printers, "it's patented".
We also have Bambu machines, and they are fantastic. That said, you can actually print a bit faster on the Mag X, even when using the same material. In fact, we have several print farms running Mag X machines, pumping out dragons efficiently.
@@peopolysure? With the max volumetric flow rate shown in this video I don't see how you can reach anywhere close to the claimed potential for speed.
I have one of the first Kickstarter printers. I have been pretty happy with it so far, and the free upgrades and improvements keep coming at a steady pace. I have found it to be a very good and reliable printer for making ASA and Nylon parts for my business. Not as plug and play as my Bambu printers for sure, it would be tough to have a fleet of these as they do require slight amounts of tinkering. But if you are some one looking at building a Voron or Ratrig, and don't want to do the weeks of assembly and tuning, then I think it's a solid option and has quality parts.
Worth mentioning that its not a completely clean build of klipper just yet, though there's a bunch of pending commits from them to get into a clean klipper 12, so we'll see what the timeline is.
I've had mine since May, and i did go in knowing there was going to be tinkering needed and time for them to update things with the price break (it was 1400) we got in that preorder wave. I agree its not amything near turnkey yet, but they do keep progressing, customer support when issues pop up has been great, and they have been very receptive of community feedback, so i am hopimg it'll get there eventually.
I did have to replace a loadcell thanks possibly to slightly confusing z up/down movement icons, which they've I think fixed in the latest firmware, but since then I've had a good experience with it. Granted, I'm only using PLA and PLA+ so far, and i know i have to run new calibration test prints for each brand/type/color of filament. With the medium melt zone and the .4 nozzle, generally my flow tests measure 23-24 mm^2/s, so i have my PLA profiles set 21-22 depending to give a bit of a buffer. Brands, if it's helpful to anyone, are Inland/eSun PLA+, eryone pla high speed, 3d fuel pro pla, and the obligatory flashforge burnt titanium pla everyone on earth got in the prime day sale. I have found it doesn't like the newer cardboard spool Inland stuff as much as my other printers, layer adhesion on that has been iffy, even when bumpimg up temps.
I know that I've been super lucky in not running into some issues, and some people have had an absolutely awful time with their units no matter how much tinkering or part replacing they've done. Kissler, who commented here, has gone through it, i feel really bad for all he's done that hasn't worked. The vertical line artifact issue he first brought up is something that seems to happen for a lot of people, myself included, I'm hoping Propoly can chase that down.
Bed flatness is something that a lot of people have dealt with as well, I had a larger range than I'd like, but i mostly print smaller parts so i haven't been as impacted by that.
The other night i wanted templates to cut foam for lining boxes for a project ive been working on. I measured the space with my calipers, threw those numbers into tinkercad, made sure I was using outer wall first in the slicer and sent it. The first print worked great, and the resulting foam pieces fit perfectly, so accuracy is definitely there once you've done the tuning and fiddled with slicer settings. It's been happily cranking out boxes for that project at speed too, filament just seems to evaporate and watching the spool turning continuously as it's going at 21mm^2/s hasn't gotten old yet. I need to order a bunch more filament.
If you're thinking of getting one, size is definitely a thing, but also keep power in mind. It's a 1000-watt mains bed that pulls 9 and change amps when the bed is initially heating up. You could get away with it on a 15 amp circuit if there isn't a lot else on it, and many are, but if you've got a 20 amp circuit outlet you can get to where it might fit, that might be a better location.
So yeah, a bit of a mixed bag, and I've been lucky to avoid some of the problems that have popped up, but now I've got things dialed in, for my use case so far I'm quite happy with mine and looking forward to future updates.
I'd love to see your TPU profile if you wind up publishing it. I've been thinking about using it for another project and was going to wait to look into it until someone came up with a good profile to start with.
Hi Noah here. Thank you for your feedback and kind words.
- You made a great point about Klipper 0.12. We’ve seen some users successfully implement it, but we haven’t committed to it yet because we want to avoid rushing and potentially causing issues with other users' printers. We plan to take a closer look at this in October, after we return from 3DPrintopia and complete this production cycle.
- Inland PLA+ is a good material, but it’s known for having a lower flow rate compared to others. I recall another user running it at a max flow rate of 15mm³/s on the Mag X, and even slower on other machines.
- We're working on improving bed leveling results. Expect updates to the bed mesh points soon, and we’re also testing pre-heating the nozzle to see if that improves performance.
- The wiper is on the way! If you’re attending 3DPrintopia later this month, feel free to come by and pick one up.
@peopoly hey Noah, appreciate all the work you're putting in, through email and on Discord. The leveling improvements sound promising, admittedly I may be a little behind as I'm still running the 1.1.10 firmware as it's been working for me.
For just appearance, the Inland printed okay at up to 18ish mm^2/s set at 230-235 for the hotend, it just wouldn't stand up to much strain perpendicular to the layer lines. I make things that potentially need to hold very dense objects with some lateral load due to geometry, so I summon the spirit of Florida Man to assist in my stress testing to be extra sure they won't fail. :)
I want to make it to 3DP, even if I can't I'm looking forward to the wiper as the "well we've got some extra room, what can we do with it" was a neat surprise. Hope you and the team are able to have some fun in among all the chaos of an event like that. :)
Great review. The printer has a lot of promise but still a little ways to go. What I think is important is that it seems like it's actively moving in the right direction. I'm currently evaluating one and I'll reserve judgement till I have a little more time with it. Something that potential buyers may find interesting is that there are a ton of tweaks on printers shipping now that aren't even on Michael's "production" printer. Some of those I can think of include ~retaining brackets at the top of the lead screws, ~beefier 1 piece Z carriage brackets, ~the steppers are sunk into the deck now (potentially a little more Z?), ~wider stance to the feet, ~deleted the side door option, ~new pattern for electronics cover, ~internal wire management, ~yet another wifi antenna design, ~cable chain differences, ~countersink and hardware changes, ETC. Not all upgrades, some are just optimizing production or efficiency I imagine. For example, they are back to shipping the bed attached, but are doing it differently to avoid damage. The point is, they aren't sitting idle with this thing, they really are TRYING to make it something good.
which "production version" lol.. I have mine and I still don't have a unit that has all the things the 'current' buyable model has. While I have discovered a few problems - we haven't been able to solve my original problem of the first layers are not going down properly.
Peopoly is working on a LED strip as well... but again, it seems like they just needed another year or so to get all this data and THEN release it. There are some QoL/nice to haves on the latest model that my model simply can't get. (drilled/tapped holes in the extrusions required) for like the top of the Z screws having a new retention system.
From what I know there is the "beta" unit, the "pre purchase" unit, the "upgraded pre purchase" unit and the "currently purchasable pre purchase unit" each with slightly different hardware, but just... far too many changes to be considered the same actual printer. We went into 'that's great they are working on it' into "ok this is a nightmare to troubleshoot based on which version you actually have' really, really fast.
oh hey its you! hi
Hey @xXKisskerXx, this is Noah. I’ve been the main point of contact for you in the chat, with Vin assisting me. Your printer has had the most issues out of all the units and we sent you several parts. As you may recall, I previously offered you the option of a refund or a replacement unit. Together, we decided to try and get your current unit working. That replacement offer still stands, and I remain fully committed to ensuring everything works properly for you. I just saw your message in the group. Let's chat there.
Do a quad-gantry, then a Z home, then try these mesh settings:
[bed_mesh]
mesh_min: 0, 0
mesh_max: 300,400
speed: 150
horizontal_move_z: 2
algorithm: bicubic
split_delta_z: 0.0125
move_check_distance: 3
mesh_pps: 4,4
fade_start: 0.4
fade_end: 2.0
probe_count: 15,21
fade_target: 0.0
A few years ago I got a Creality Ender 5 Pro, and last year I bought a Bambulab X1C. After having the X1C I don't want any printers anymore that requires any tinkering whatsoever (especially not settings for filaments). The Ender 5 Pro is now used as a filament dries (same way you can use the build plate on an X1C to dry filaments), attached the hotend fan cables to a fan that I attached to a cardboard box for some airflow when drying filaments.
I'd never buy a printer like this even if the hardware was better than the X1C.
Exactly this. Tinkering at first is kinda fun, after a while you want something that just works.
It certainly sounds like Peopoly are trying to get this printer right and working with reviewers. (unlike some other companies)
I think Bambulabs have set the gold standard for turnkey printers
Thank you and we are still actively working to improve Mag X
@@peopoly Thanks. We appreciate your work. 🙂
Nice they went for open source and the magnetic drive has potential. Once early adopters help solve the issues it would make a nice production printer.
I was having trouble printing PETG with a hardened steel nozzle. I changed to bimetal that was plated copper with hard steel tip. All globs from sticking to nozzle went away! Went on with great nylon and PCCF prints. It would be interesting for you to review bimetal nozzle on this printer vs HS, running Orca slicer calibrations.
Nice review! I would have appreciated a thorough comparison of print speeds vs the Bambu X1C and the Prusa XL.
I have a Snapmaker J1, absolutely love it, they have release updates to the fans, hotend and hotend fans since release and I have not had any issues, Would love to see you do a review of that.This printer just wasn't ready for release. Keep up the good work.
We also have a J1 and knows the team. Thank you for the kind words and we will keep pushing forward.
Same here there is no means of getting replacement parts for the original@@trivalentclan
While i do feel that at this price point, things should be a bit more polished, at the same time my first and only printer started as a ender 3 v2 neo that is so heavily modified its hard to even call it a v2 neo.
Most of my upgrades have been around the motion system, from drivers, motors, rails, belts, pulleys and considering the magneto x eliminates all of that, it may well be worth it to have basically the perfect motion system out of the box. No need to calibrate belt tension, then re calibrate for x/y dimensional changes due to belt stretch. no vfa's from belt edges rubbing on the side of the pulley due to the pulleys not being square with each other, causing the belt to track side to side.
If the main downside at this point (free upgrade replacement parts aside) is the hotend. How easy is it to replace with aftermarket options? Again at this price point, seems kinda crazy but considering the motion system, idk?
The nozzle on the Magneto X is an E3D V6 Volcano style, so you have plenty of options. We even wrote a blog comparing the CHT, DiamondBack, and our own nozzle on the medium-length melt zone. All three easily achieved over 30 mm³/s, and we still have a longer melt zone to test.
@@peopoly Thanks for the reply and pardon my poor phrasing in my original comment. Im not really concerned with the nozzle and more so curious about replacing the entire hotend/coldside/extruder/toolhead assembly. If the extruder feeder is currently the limiting option with its pulling/pushing force, im just curious about the compatibility of 3rd party upgrades.
Considering the printer does run standard klipper, i suppose the idea isnt really out of the question.
I also dont expect the manufacture to touch on this subject since im asking about using (non oem) / (non oem warrantied) parts.
Great video Michael when is the next tt racing video coming out I really enjoy watching them
It’s an impressive piece of kit but it feels they have a long way to go. They might be setting themselves up for lots of unhappy customers that didn’t want the level of tinkering that seems to be needed. If they could get it to the point that it is plug and play like the BAMBU’s then for me it would be worth considering. As it stands now having a nice enclosure and some unique properties are all a bit overkill when the core function needs so much tweaking
Thank you for your feedback! We understand that the Magneto X may feel like it requires more tinkering compared to some plug-and-play options like the Bambu. Our goal with Magneto X was to provide linear motor based, heavy duty all metal printers for users who enjoy pushing the limits of their prints. That said, we’re always looking to improve the user experience, and we’re actively working on updates and improvements to reduce the need for adjustments and make it easier for all types of users.
We appreciate your patience and suggestions as we continue to evolve the product!
@@peopoly It would have been nice if that had been communicated when you opened the preorder way back when though. With that kinda statement I wouldn’t have bought mine, and what others here have complained about-badly communicated changes, updates that earlier printers will never be able to get, the involvement to fit upgrades (not easy plug and play, but very low level assembly needed, …), etc-rings very much true for me too.
This printer may have a few nice mechanical aspects and ideas to it, but as a product, it’s a pretty bad failure that put off a lot of previously enthusiastic customers.
I was a pretty big proponent of yours before I got the printer, and happy to wait to get a mature machine, but we waited and _still_ got half baked alpha units.
6:16 I just wanna say, any discussion about you being an 'influencer' aside, this kind of back-and-forth work to not just improve things under the hood but also keep you in the loop, help tune things on your end, and even supply better, improved parts, is.... really freakin' amazing?? like, SO many companies will just send out some flashy, pretty, hot new printer to youtube influencers and be like "yo this is our thing tell everyone how much you love it" and then you never hear from them again. Meanwhile Peopoly is out here sending you every little improvement as they work on it and such.
It's still a damn shame that companies can't just, y'know, wait until their product is properly finished before launching it. Whether it's game companies or physical products, this seems to be a trend. But on the upside, I think there's something particularly special about the maker community, this idea that even when a product is 'done' or 'finished' and shipped out to consumers, it can still have a lifetime of improvements. Even something as small as those simply little prints to hold the acrylic panels more stably - absolutely great idea there and I think a fine example of how even a theoretically 'finished' product can still be continuously enhanced by both the community and the company.
slightly related tangent - I work in the industry of document/paperwork processing and my day-to-day involves babysitting a few half-a-million-dollar machines that are just glorified automated scanners. They have sensors out the wazoo, and one of the common problems with the machines, is that the row of sensors to track where a paper is along the ~12 feet of machinery, is right at the exact same height as the top hole in a 3-hole-punched paper. Unfortunately this means that the machine - which detects paper EDGES - detects the hole as the end of a paper and the start of a new paper and gets confused. the company recently pushed an update that simply checks the timing of that sensor and, if it's within a certain range, essentially treats it like a debounce. Now the half-a-million dollar machine is no longer locking up every time a three-hole-punched paper goes through it. (for those wondering I work in remittance processing and the machine is an ibml fusion.) I feel like this sort of thing, where the community goes "hey this could be done better" and then the company goes "here's what we've done to add XYZ feature or improve on ABC problem" is what makes the maker community so great to be a part of.
(edit: just saw that they're also active here in the comments. Wild. Love that companies are adapating to the internet in this kind of way, feels almost halfway between twitter and a forum, hah!)
"Documentation and access do make this a pretty good printer to work on"
I have a feeling in a few months, once they really iron out their 'final' design, it'll be a pretty easy decision between this and Bambu's offering. I got my mom into making thanks to recommending a glowforge and she's really enjoyed it but the 3D printing itch is hitting her hard and I keep telling her to hold off until the dust settles a bit in this area :)
Lol, what good is customer service if you can't provide a functional product?
Id love to see this revisited in a year (as in, what the experience of getting a new one is like at that point)
TBH this list of drawbacks makes me more confident in the printer. The problems seem to have straightforward solutions, and the openness of their approach is attractive, as is the build volume and lack of pulleys. This might be my next printer. Update: drat, no delivery to Canada.
I was an early Magneto X preorder and returned mine and bought a Prusa XL.
Nothing but great things to say about Peopoly, but the printer needed much more testing before shipping.
You did all their troubleshooting for them
The concept with the linear motors is great, but I think the printer is too expensive for the amount of tinkering you have to do. For the price it should work out of the box.
from this review, i like the attitude of Peopoly and the Magneto X. unfortunately, i'm one of the noobs who cannot do all this high maintenance and can only work with a plug and play type situation. i do hope that Peopoly will continue to improve on this and hopefully, maybe a Magneto X2 or X3 will fix all of these issues because i am definitely intrigued by its technology and would love to own one eventually. but not at this time though.
They got some nice stuff , but on other side it seems they released it a bit to soon
still i find it amazing that they can make it work on electro magnets , hope they can sort it out in 6 months or so :D
It was shipped too quick and we shared a blog on July 5th detailing the updates we made since them. Stay tuned as we will have more updates for Mag X.
Is it just me or was anyone else expecting to hear more about why this printer provides more dimensional accuracy, I mean if it is, as the video title reads, "THE BEST 3D PRINTER FOR ENGINEERS?".
Not just you. I started with an Ender 3v2 and have since moved to a Bambu Lab P1S. The jump was significant and I've been waiting for a jump as significant to come along that's not at an industrial grade price point. My printer "just works" as they commonly say, but I still have to "live with" the common shortcomings like suboptimal support removal conditions of internal cavities, or sacrificing appearance of my print due to my part orientation because I need to prioritize the strength of the part. I'd like to try an SLS printer but that's WAY outside of my budget.
@@RYTHMICRIOT I don't think there will really be another jump as big as from budget cartesians to the new small CoreXYs. I think the main thing here is the relatively huge size with a similar quality to the Bambu printers, though you don't get the automatic profiles but you also aren't really locked into any Bambu-specific filament or software.
A RatRig or a Voron 2.4 would get you similar quality with similar filament calibration needed (plus some extra for the initial calibration of the printer itself), but with way more effort needed to actually build it.
My main issue I've had with my Magneto X is that I had my X axis keep dropping communication, at which point it loses its absolute position and has to cancel the print. Replacing it wouldn't have been that bad except that everything was hot glued like crazy, leading to what people on the Peopoly Discord have been calling Gluegate.
What's your experience with it now? I hear from others that the new versions are more solid of an experience and i'm trying to figure out if i'm pulling the trigger tomorrow on the $1199 deal they have going. I can tweak and calibrate but if it gets in the way of actually printing, i don't think i could make the leap. The older versions seem to have issues and there's probably not that many new ones out there which makes it hard to find people with updated info on them now :/
That's too bad about the slicer tuning. These days as far as I'm concerned the printer is as much about the software as it is the hardware and if the software isn't there the printer isn't there.
Oh come on. Default manufacturers profiles are trash anyway. The lack of profiles can't be a disadvantage.
@@nevermind6270 depending on which printers you've used I can understand you feeling that way but these days that's simply not true. Both Bambu and prusa have excellent profiles. On my P1P I've only ever had to adjust temperature flow and pressure advance a single time for each type of material and I didn't even have to do that I just did it because I wanted the prints to be perfect. With those simple adjustments the only time I've ever had a print failure was when I caused it by selecting the wrong material or something like that.
The profiles definitely need more tuning, and we plan to share updated, fine-tuned profiles later this month. The Magneto X’s extra-long melt zone also affects many existing profile calibration techniques, so we’ll be publishing a guide to help users better tune their profiles for different filaments.
@@peopolyso you are gonna create better profiles but the customer will still need to do it's own testing and tuning?
@@nevermind6270 Lol, of course it's a disadvantage. Having to spend hours calibrating to get functional prints is a massive waste of time and money.
Buy a Bambu and you'll change your mind.
what's your take on using a resin printer for engineering parts? something like a elagoo saturn 4 or so? Is resin better because of its accuracy?
The retraction issues and layer bands will be very difficult to be fully solved because the linear motors and extruder are not synchronized. The linear motors are physically positionally delayed from 3~10ms compared to the position command. My clearpath servos were around this time value of delay. If moving at 200mm/s and a positional delay of 5ms, that means you are 1mm out of position. Even more amplified if you are accelerating. The extruder uses a stepper, it has much better response time of around 1ms or less.
This results in retractions happening too early. A potential reduction of this issue is to hard code a small delay ~5ms to the extruder. Maybe you can do something with coasting settings.
I never got clearpath servos to work well so I switched back to steppers. You can clearly see the positional lag effect when you have your X-axis with servo and Y-axis as stepper. If you print a tiny circle, it turns into an oval.
This issue is multiplied when you have high accelerations, high speeds, and high flow nozzle; all of which the magneto X has.
A solution that will completely solve everything is switching away from on-demand STEP/DIR signal and go into "look ahead" motion planning. You can tune the system to preemptively anticipate the positional delay so everything can be synchronized. This look-ahead feature is used in high end metal cutting CNC machines. Klipper's core motion code will probably need a major rewrite to implement this.
Peopoly team seems to be legit and I have confidence and hope that they will only continue to improve and innovate!
Isn't pressure advance tuning able to compensate the differents response times between xy motor and extruder ?
You became a tester. They appreciate.
I think this printer will eventually become the gold standard with its linear motors, similar to when Bambu launched its core xy. However, at the moment it’s just not there. I’ll check them out again after another year.
How flat was the bed? Can you share the bed leveling data from klipper? Printing engineering filaments is great but if your print is not flat because the bed is warped by 2 mm.. I have the K1 Max and the ned warps horribly when heated up to 100 degrees. Wonder if this is any better.
This was not shared as the shapers graphs not transparent review
I started with an Ender 3v2. I've since moved onto a Bambu Lab P1S and I've been using that for a year. I'm waiting for the next step but I haven't seen anything yet outside of more advanced technology like sintering, but that's still not really attainable by most people.
Yeah..... I'm going to wait and see a v2.... If the company lasts long enough to make a v2
That’s a fair point, and we’re committed to improving the Mag X as much as possible. We’ve been in the industry since 2016, and we’re always striving to enhance our products.
Peopoly has been around for almost 10 years and even if the magneto x isn't an ultimate printer the fact they created these cheap linear motors like that is a huge step forward for the technology.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to get by just selling and refining the motors since slicers and klipper don't need to have anything adjusted in them as far as I've seen. I'd love to put linear motors in my ratrig.
It's definitely a neat idea, and seems to be on the way in, but probably not going to be on my radar, at least not for a while; just a bit too op for what I anticipate I'll need
Ill be keeping an eye out on this printer for when it gets idex capacity. I would also hope they can increase the hot end temp to 350.
I own one and my experience has been pretty good. It's not as turn-key as a Bambu or Prusa machine for sure. I went in knowing I'd be using a beta product. Compared to a diy machine its really not bad. I've used a lot of high end consumer/low end industrial machines that are way worse.
Hi. What do you think printer is better to construct. I looked at Core 4 and Voron Trident. I prefer to print ABS, Neylon, TPU and sometime PETG. I want to assemble it myself. Thanks
I had to replace the load cell and the x-axis cable. That being said, I do like the machine. If there is one thing that I think would make it better, it's getting rid of the load cell. The measured range feels inconsistent, so I'd rather have a klicky probe or a beacon.
Do make sure that you have absolutely no filament on the magnetic surface under the build plate. I was downright surprised when it actually turned a flat surface into one 0.4mm high.
Lost a few prints because my nozzle was basically pressed to the metal at that point and unable to push any material out.
I also had to replace mine. The X axis cable was a nightmare with all the hot glue. The load cell I did at the same time as the most intense filament jam I've experienced, which I'm thinking now is because of a large amount of heat creep when the enclosure is shut, which is too much for PLA to handle. At least the extruder comes off with only two bolts that are pretty easy to access.
That said the load cell is much more preferable if you print at different bed temperatures. PLA at 50C, PETG at 70C, and PC at 120C can cause a spread of like half a mm on inductive probes. My old printer I was forced to babysit the first layer to set a manual Z offset for each print. This one has been nearly set and forget. Bed mesh has been good too.
Although sometimes while idle, the load cell freaks out and causes Klipper to do an emergency shutdown. It's not really an issue but a bit annoying and weird. I think it's resetting its calibration based on the ranges its seen in the last couple hours, which while idle is very narrow?
@@widget5963 I forgot about that. Until I disabled that check, I had to restart my printer after a print finished due to that M112 error.
I believe the intent behind it was to panic when your probe rams the print bed when it's not in use, but it's a hair trigger after the printer has been in use or when you're trying to reload filament halfway through a print. Had to redo several prints when I shook the print head trying to change the filament.
I don’t think I’d buy this printer as a whole, but if they sold just the motion system as a kit, i’d do so in a heartbeat
Curious if the linear motors perform the same at 50c chamber temp as room temperature.
Looks like almost perfect if I would have had the place and money!
I'm hoping Peopoly keeps refining and eventually releases the linear motors for other machines too. It'd be so fun to build a voron or a ratrig vcore 4 with these since apparently they make a second print head a near drop in process.
It is nice they've been releasing update and fixes for people, but between this and the prusa XL there's been a bit of a trend with "release now fix later" I'm not liking.
They have preorders up for individual magnetic linear motors, but they say it's not suitable for combining them to make positioning systems, which it seems like they're planning on doing at some later point.
I tune P. E. for every color/type/brand of filament on my 5yr old Ender. Your experience with it doesn't seem out of bounds.
Good review. Summary: Still not ready for prime time. Better wait for version 2.0
3D printer consumers have been too kind to those companies, imagine you buy a laser printer and have to constantly tap into the system and adjust internal settings. I would immediately return such unfinished prototype.
This is best comment should be pinned to the top
I agree.
does this have a lan connection or is it only wifi?
Would love this motors in a prusa. Giving something different and that makes it out of the others.. With the quality it has this brand
When it's actually ready, I might be interested, still too many issues
What happen to 3dpo? Gone into liquidation? Not open anymore
since 4 years, i'm still looking for a large plug'n play printer
How strong of an acceleration can it achieve?
Please check out the stress test video linked in the description.
How is glue stick hard to clean off any surface? Sink, warm water, dish soap, dish cloth. Rinse well, dry, hold plate by edges or using a cloth/paper towel. Removes glue stick, liquid glue, oily fingerprints.
At this price range they need to step it up
What happend to the second channel?
but what about the magneto drive? I still haven't really seen a compelling improvement over a core xy, has anyone else?
There is no measurable magic improvement apparently
Once this printer is a more turn key solution i’ll have to buy one
This is the difference between real engineering and testing and rushing out a product. Bambu Labs is the benchmark in the industry. if a company cant match quality and refinement they shoudnt ship
It seems like a lot of the time, unfortunately even with expensive printers, customers serve as testers... This sucks especially when it's not like you are getting a discount for doing that. That's why I always advise people to not buy the first drop of any printer. With cheap printers being a test rat is what I'd expect but it's been happening with everything lately so it's better to wait for RUclipsrs to review stuff and companies to apply those fixes etc. before you jump in. People are really too hasty with everything nowadays... Same goes for gaming but that's another can of worms.
I am tired of printers being tinkering projects, I just want a tool.
Yeah, it's 2024 and 3D printers shouldn't be a hobby itself -- but rather a tool for your hobbies!!! Imagine buying a drill and having to spend a week to get it working properly, and then every time you use it for serious work, you have to redoo the calibration for it to work again. Fuuuuuuuck that.
I love the idea of the Magneto X but the execution seems to be lacking...hopefully Peopoly can get it figured out before too long.
Watching this makes me glad to have a Bambu X1C. I used (and slowly modified over a number of years) an Ender 3 V2; which was great for the money, and rewarding to tinker with and upgrade. However, the Bambu X1C "just works" (which it should do for the cost). This Magneto X seems to have the cost of the Bambu and the reliability/requirement to tinker of the Ender 3; which doesn't strike me as a great combination - even given its build volume advantages.
But the build volume is a requirement for people who need a large printer. I have parts that don’t fit a Bambu.
@@rsilvers129 if you need a build volume larger than the Bambu printers then yes; I don't know if there would be a better alternative to the Magneto X
Isn't powdered CF not just structurally useless but more respirable?
I think it is aesthetic only. Not sure which is worse for your lungs but I'd treat them as equally dangerous.
Hi Mate what has happened to 3DPO??
I have this printer. I haven't gotten a notification that my upgraded parts have shipped. Has everyone else gotten theirs?!
I was on the tail end of preorders and I've gotten the address confirmation email but not the shipping notification.
@@SkateSoup Thanks. I was one of the first in the second round of orders (some of which seem like they got the upgrades pre-installed), so it makes sense that I haven't gotten mine yet.
The 3D printer of Theseus lol
You win 'most educated sarky comment of the day', lol!
100% agree with this review. Or 99%-there’s a couple issues with the hardware as is, too, which shows Peopoly don’t have much FDM experience yet and haven’t done the crazy amounts of development, tuning and testing the likes of bambulab have done for their printers. And stuff like the upgrade kits being sent out w/o any instructions, etc, isn’t ideal either. But ehh… you live and you learn I guess.
They use linear motors but it doesn’t seem like they provide any advantage if you have to cap your flowrate to 15-22mm3/s
Even the quality is worse so it’s pointless
Id hate to see the guys that buy this and dont have a channel. You just get the replacements and upgrades, who is to say everyone else isnt getting shafted as the thing gets updated. I had this with a Snapmaker when they first released. HORRIBLE machine that people sold like crazy online (many issues on launch they never replaced the parts for). Me... I was told I'd receive it in 1 month. It comes in 6 months. I then go to have it shipped and they mess up the delivery address 5 times delaying 2 more months, me emailing everyday and getting 1 response every 2 weeks. Then once they shipped it, it was lost for a week. One printer I order before this which was their older model on amazon was lost as well (which rarely happens, seems odd its that company). If a printer hasnt been out for over a year and is some unique model, like hell I am going to try and buy it because its just going to be an absolute nightmare.
Yes flashforge adventurer 5m pro somehow works out of box for everyone, do does qidi q1 pro
This is the first printer I see which doesn´t have a square build plate. Do you know of any other printers?
Replicator 1 and 2 and flashforge clones of them.
Had a machined steel build plate. Too bad a machined build plate heater sandwich doesn't make anything better in any sort of way vs glass and such. Had to use tape too on it(for most stuft anyway).
Of course delta printers usually have a circular plate.
@@lassikinnunen ah yes, I haven't though of delta printers 😅
I would much prefer a rectangular build plate. I rarely have big prints, but if I do it is long in only one axis most of the time
Most delta 3d printers have a round bed.
I think I am just going to avoid CF materials in general, regardless of the results. They do also say that sanding will cause particles to become airborne regardless. It's also not even that much stronger/resilient than just plain filaments, so I actually don't understand why people were using them in the first place, other than to say "I use Carbon Fiber in my printing".
Good printer to buy, in 1 or 2 years.
Sad to see companies putting things out like this. I find it hard to believe they didn't know it was ( ready )
So in other words…still get a Bambu. What advantage does this hardware offer…..even over a K1?
What's the point of a printer that turns off the motors and bed if you wait too long to replace a roll? I've never had a printer do that, not even an old ender 3 clone and certainly not anything I currently use
It uses Klipper firmware, which means that the amount of time it will wait is a setting that can be changed. The default setting is usually pretty conservative for safety reasons, but if you wanted to you could set it to stay heated for a week while it waits for you to change the filament. In Klipper this is controlled by a variable in your configuration file called "idle _timeout."
@danielabrams555 AH, i see, thanks that actually sounds somewhat useful.
So based on the results of your poll almost 40% want minimal tuning and over 75% want a baseline that’s useable that they can improve if they need to. Not the way you seem to be concluding it. Like I would have answered I prefer to have a good baseline but am happy to test and tune from there but that doesn’t mean I want to do tuning. It means if you give me tuning that just works great but if I need to dial it in I can and I don’t mind doing it.
I just don't get why you would spend 2k on the Magneto, when for 1.5k you could get the X1C+AMS. The X1C has been literally perfect for me since day 1 with no major issues, basically no tuning required, and the AMS is such a nice feature to have that i have highly considered buying 2 more just so I can have 12 rolls of filament ready to go with 0 set up time to use them.
The only thing the Magneto seems to have going for it is its build volume, but there are plenty of other printers that you can get for 2k that have as big or bigger, and seem like they just work better.
Im not saying the Magneto is a bad printer or anything, but its so vastly overpriced, even being on sale.
For me at least it's build volume and the fact that the software is just as open-source-friendly as a Voron. Bambu did eventually open-source their slicer but not very willingly.
I start to dislike the word "open source". Whenever I hear it, I have a feeling that I will need to spend a lot of time tweaking and improving things, that the printer producer needed to fix themselves, not me as a consumer :D
I don`t get it either. What other products are open source than 3D printers? Who needs access to the firmware etc. if everything works as it should?
Please do a review of ratrig vcore4 idex
I'm looking forward to the future of this idea. I buy a printer that requires the least amount of my time.
So for me that begs the question: which is the best 3d printer for engineering currently, in a price range that is justifiable? (
Price needs to come down. For $2k you can have an entire 3D farm
And a working one at that
"I don't think there's anything mechanically wrong with the printer, it just needs more optimization" oh great so it's on the level of my ender 3 v1
well... 15mm³/s? that's an instant turnoff...
It's quite... "nice" and the movement system...too. BUT: In 2024 (in the Bambu era) I have absolutely no desire to spend weeks and months with painful and frustrating Silcer and material tuning... for 1600 $/¢/¥€/£. Thanks. But no thanks
Early adoption of new technology is always painful
that's why the leading edge is also called the bleeding edge.
Who’s here after the St Columba’s assembly 😂😝!
Like what my piano teacher always used to say “I don’t care about quantity, I care about quality”. They were clearly only thinking about the dough than making sure the product actually delivered. Cutting corners is never good. When I saw this printer I was going to pull the trigger and purchase. I need an FDM that has a 400mm bed for producing parts and clearly after seeing multiple reviews videos on this unit I refuse to be a guinea. Anybody recommend another printer with a 400mm print bed that prints fast?
I’d say Bambi labs still have the upper hand here, specially at that price point. WAY too expensive for what it is imo. Right now we should be at plug and play levels for high end 3d printers. Again, bad bylaws has proven that. And for anyone who pops on and says well even they have to be tweaked…. My 70 year old father in law bought a x1 carbon and has been non stop printing sine he installed it months ago with 0 issues, 0 tinkering, and with no issues. That’s where things should be across the board for $1500+ printers.
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What I'm hearing is wait 6 months, then see if things have improved before purchasing.
The best printer for engineers? I would have though that a printer of such description would be a machine printing advanced filaments and objects. A machine that works all the time. An engineer is a professional that uses company time to make products. But the truth is that you have to be an engineer in order to use it, fix it and modify it.
big $$$$ & they still want us to pay for enclosure. Plus so much problem.
yea that expensive enclosure is mostly just the smoked acrylic panels too, and some models were designed to have like 2mm thick version to be flush with the frame, while some of the panels are actually 3mm thick due to changes they made between revisions. It's honestly a pretty big nightmare overall, sadly.
Why didn’t they just send you a printer that works?
They have obviously do not have any. Can you imagine how much it cost to send one from usa to australia? And they send non working one?
I had good expectations for the Magneto X but it looks like they rushed it out to market too quickly. Much like the Prusa XL I think they should have a closed beta soft launch where people who join the program are willing to deal with the growing pains and provide feedback and help solve problems at an insider pricing format or a unti provided beta test like relationship.
When you're straying from the beaten path like the 2 above you need to be much more cautious about your product launch. I think customers would prefer a delayed but finely tuned product at that price over an expensive project that requires this much effort.
I was somewhat of an early adopter for the X1C and yes it had its share of growing pains but they pale in comparison to what was experienced here and frankly better than most new product launches in this market. 3D printing manufacturers need to be more realistic when launching new products.
I dont know how he had problems with PETG + pei plate, is there anyone else who had problems?