I built an experimental 3D printer that could be groundbreaking!
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
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In this video I show the process of building a different type of 3D printer that has 2 tools that move independent from each other. This is different from an IDEX-system for instance. Where an IDEX is only independent in one axis, the system I developed is independent in all axes. Therefore I'm calling it the TIME-system, which stands for True Independent Multiple Extrusion.
With this system it should be possible to print different parts in parallel, print a single part with multiple tools or combine totally different materials. I believe that this is the next step in 3D printing and we're going to discover the possibilities of this in future videos!
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Thanks a lot for the overwhelming positivity on this video! Especially after all this work and not posting videos, I couldn't have wished for more! I also saw while reading through the comments that the intention behind this TIME-system could've been explained better so I made this news article on my new website which explains a bit more: properprinting.pro/news/the-story-behind-the-time-system/
Edit: As several people mentioned 6-axis can be seen as deceptive. I find it very hard to come up with a clickable title that covers a subject as specific as this and I thought that I was technically correct. I've had several videos flop because of a bad title/thumbnail and that's a shame. Sorry to everyone who felt baited.
Dude, have you patented the technology? You could...
@@maksymriabov1356patents mean diddly squat nowdays.. Honestly I dont forsee someone working anywhere near as hard as proper printing worked to create this. I really dont forsee him having to worry about his idea being stolen but crazier things have happened
Patents cost a lot of money, and are nearly impossible for private inventors to first declare, then defend. It only makes sense if you plan on capitalizing on the investment of the patent. He's got zero chance of impeding use of this from China.
As a private inventor, your best bet would likely be to partner with a company, in this case say Prusa, and work with them to develop the tech with a written agreement in place. They can handle the patent (if inclined, but, it's Prusa). Otherwise, they might do the honorable thing and pay you for the use of the tech, or as a design contractor.
However, a patent only works if you've not publicly declared the product, which a RUclips video most definitely does. At this point it's public domain. Jon's done some amazing work, and the recognition is there. And hopefully a notable amount of view revenue. ;)
@@maksymriabov1356 given the prior art that exists of this it's very unlikely that a patent would ever be applicable.
Interesting article - I think the independent parallel printing is probably more of a benefit than you mention - especially if you could add more gantries. For a really large print - you could have the print heads coordinate with each other to half the print time - even for single material. Would of course require slicer enhancements of gcode post processing to separate the prints out into two parts, and to ensure that the heads don't bump into each other. Plus even when not doing a single print - It would be like having two printers - rather than an IDEX which can only really do one print at a time. I recently bought a 2nd identical printer as I was doing a lot of multi part prints - so thought I could double my throughput - at it has worked out surprisingly useful - as even when I am doing long prints on one of the printers I often find I end up using the other printer for something else at the same time.
The paint roller used as a spool holder is killing me
Dito!
Fuckin genius.
The best parts/tools are all free and not made for the purpose.
But it is an elegant solution! I will remember that option!
softly
This channel has the most "hold my beer" vibes in the 3d printing space.
hahaha this is too funny... and I agree! Jón is extremely creative and smart! :D Greetings from Hungary, Budapest!
I also agree. Though I feel obligated to say that most "hold my beer" stores don't end well, but most of these projects take things to the next level. Highly motivating
I'll hold it but it's unlikely you'll get it back.
..So true!..
..And you just know it’s Not a -Bud Lite- 😉
Is say Emily the Engineer is more hold-my-beery. This is more, I'm gonna need another.
It might make terrible prints but dude, you created something unique, which is far more than some of these critics will EVER do. Well done. We’ll friggen done.
I'm not an engineer, I wish I was. But I can understand the genius it takes to make something so complex. RUclips needs to share more videos like yours.
Thank you very much!
@@properprinting terrible first print? The overhangs aren't cooling fast enough Yet. Beyond that I don't think my Ender3 did any better on 1t's first shot but it was born with a dish-bed and my tramming was awful :D I do have some thoughts, if you'll indulge :)
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1. might it be more simple in G-code for one portal to Follow the other, at safe distance.. as they are likely to be affecting similar paths, by layer?
2. more flattery really. I've long wanted a long Y axis on my E3 - no idea why people want to print Up (through weak layers) when we all need Long items with polymer alignment so that long bed is a dream to see. Belts are far from simple, this gives a lot of that functionality without the encumbrances. Larp Swords here we come :D
and.. cough.. um, 3D Printed accurate 20x20 20x40!, in long carbon?
3. I have always filled my prints with Salt. Less mechanically harmful than sand, easily done manually during the print. Very cheap, adds desiccant and weight etc...
could the 2nd portal feed paste/grains/powder (Bi-carb?) - could moist Bi-carb be used as notional support layers. Trimmed to level by the hot head as it prints on them, then either washed out/off the print. Or encapsulated for strength, plus all above...
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well, there. Thank you for your brilliant lonely work. Viva la Sith :D xx PD
Engineer school taught me quite literally, no sarcasm, ZERO of the skills needed to build something like this. Something like this takes years of experience of building on your own so don’t fret, anyone can build stuff if you really want to, no fancy degree needed
@@pdjames1729 Just picking up on your point two, YES!! We seem to be beholden to people printing non-functional trinkets with the 'print areas should be cubes' thing, when the reality is 95% of all STLs are longer, wider, or both, than they are tall (and I'd make a solid argument that most of the other 5% are just badly rotated for printing). I have a 500x250x250 Voron 2.4 that has proven time and time again that it's invaluable. I've only twice wished I had a large format, but at least a hundred times I've abandoned the X1C to use the Voron for that long X axis. My only 'hindsight' here is that going for 250x500x250 might be better, but I can't confirm.
@@Phazaar they are both the same volume Phaz :D on my Ender id make a long Y, for easy engineering on the slinging rail. (285x500x250)
Proper's wide bed with gantry(s) has a fixed Footprint (nice for the home).. the Y is still his long axis? I guess 1t doesn't matter :D
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but yippie, glad more people have Used their 3dp to make actual stuff (not just busts)
I really do think, 500mm (520 to bed edges) for domestic and at least 1000m for sensible component prints. Now we've all made a giant Benchy :D (400% fits on 45 degrees printed from the bow up - nose in the air ;o)
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I want strong Rails, barrels, draw front filigree with no breaks, Bumper guards for the car and windguards for the front windows in ptfe. I want sports armour, more than just shin-guards. Replaceable soles for my size 18 trainers :D I want a LOoooong Booy :D and yes, TIME material co-processing :D
My God, someone get this man a proper mill.
Please, this thing is shit😅
Did yall notice the CR30 is hella on sale right now??
I'd still take it if you have to get rid of it 😂 cause a crappy mill is better than no mill@@properprinting
@@Pyrobanane my thoughts exactly. Without this block of steel this project wouldn't even have been possible😅 I expected a lot of negative comments about this milling machine, but I'm honestly happy with it and it got the job done. People sometimes don't realize how happy someone can be with something that maybe isn't the best, but enables new things.
Makera carvera give this man your cnc he earned it!!
Seeing those trusses instead of regular extrusion makes it look so much cooler
very true
The biggest challenge is changing the slicer to make use of all the innovations you made with this machine. Your work as an indie engineer is beyond appreciation. Those who tried to build some new machine know how much effort one has to put to design, iterate, test and build.
Think about the GCODE becoming more and more a bytecode-style code like used in Java. Sure, you can run it directly (stupid) command for command on your printer - but modern firmwares can already optimize it.
That’s the problem with his disclosure it’s doesn’t go far enough in innovation and is useless to everyone.
Calling this 6 axis is like saying 9 women can bear a child in 1 month :D
thats fucking funny - if you know what its about! :)
How would you propose he should call it?
Dual independant head or dih for short 😉
@@lerbyn But you’d only need two women for dual independent head.
@@timha4102 I would need dual extruders in that case
there's nothing like a bearded dude in an old workshop, wearing a checkered flannel jacket, processing metal that sets the mood. and oh yeah, the music is so fitting
as a welder/machinist/ tool and die maker with 40 years in, this build is awesome, well done .
As someone studying mechatronics engineering I can totally understand the blood, sweat and tears that go into the design and execution of a project like this. Looking forward to subsequent videos and tracking the rest of your journey.
Damn! Impressive work, really!
Must be the most advanced grill around.
Also props to not cutting this project into like 10 pieces and publishing them over a span of two years.
Thanks! Also thanks for giving me props for that. Initially, because of the size, I wanted to turn it into several videos. Less risk and keeps "the momentum" of the channel. I'm glad I didn't and now I can focus on the cool stuff we can do with it!
You can now, a bit more in depth build video series and behind the scenes. @@properprinting
@@Works_Garage True, he could provide us with a community version and a step by step tutorial with commonly available parts that require little tooling to get done.
The fact alone that you used a grill plate for the buildplate was enough to make me subscribe
As someone constantly on RUclips, I really liked the way you integrated the ad. I never even thought about skipping it until it was over, and I honestly feel like I took a lot of what you said in even though I've seen dozens of PCB way placements before. It was just nice to have something to focus on that didn't feel forced, goofy, and never felt like it stopped the flow of the video. Just really good job
The video production value of this is just epic. The music and length of the “montage” clips is perfect. Just all around great editing and awesome product design. 100% subscribing
OMG That paint roller is genius ! You build this amazingly complex impossible looking mechanical work of art then come up with the easiest solution for a spool holder. Man I wish I had talent like yours !
Wow man. That's some engineering. You should consider releasing this thing.
This is not a 6-axis printer, its just two 3-axis printers
Exactly it’s just two printers, I mean cool but it’s like having two printers
this video is literally perfect. youtube knows what i like. i have a feeling im gonna watch this over and over again :)
Cool to see all of your previous projects come together in little ways in this, the tool changer, heated bed, folding gantry and more. Underated RUclipsr right here.
This is so incredibly, the editing, the lighting, the cinematography, the pure talent of your engineering, wow, I’m so excited to see this channel grow, definitely looking forward and staying alert for any future uploads, absolutely inspiring❤️
Thanks a lot for this awesome comment!
Jon, this is incredible. The complex engineering thats gone into this is fantastic and the fact you executed in 3 months is seriously impressive! I cannot wait to see more of what you do with it!
As someone who is barely dipping their toes (4 months of experience) into 3d printing, to watch you design and build that monster is absolutely mind-blowing. You sir, are a legend in the making.
Dude this is freaking nuts... just the sheer amount of effort you put into making it happen! Can't wait to see where this goes!
Congratulations! Seldom have I seen someone do such an ambitious project from scratch; you should be immensely proud!
This is so cool. Nice to see the experiment working, looking forward to future videos!
Fantastic Video, Jón!
It's not just the printer itself but also the story telling which makes this so good. Keep up the great work.
TIME-System.... incredible, man! Congratulations on your dedication and talent. You are one of a kind. ⭐
holy cow Jon !!! this is awesome my friend ! and once again the video quality is top notch ! It was so fun to watch. We want more
What i really like about this video is how you honestly showed the challenges and your work-arounds. No matter what your vision of a final product is, when you run into problems, you have to adapt. This is a great video for beginning engineering students - they need to know that their first conceps may not always be perfect, but you can get there.
Well worth the wait, omg what a project ! SO many moving parts and it actually prints already.
I'm looking forward to seeing you do your thing and perfect it, true Proper Printing style.
This is genius. So smart. I love it. ❤ Congratulations on this design.
Why ? What problem does that solve exactly ?
@sierraecho884 trolling I see. Does everyone have to explain their comments to you? I am a bit confused as to why you decided to ask ? Are you saying this design is bad? If so why. What have you designed and has it gone to market and made you a millionair? I think what he attempted to make is great. Even if it does not work at least he tried. Anyways.
@@AndyRC To be fair, this idea can only be groundbreaking if other people get behind it and it gains popularity. It's going to require significant changes to the ecosystem so will take a lot of work by a lot of people to mature. Still, the possibilities are real strong and I love the long Y proportions of it. I print tons of stuff that is suited to a long, narrow, bed. Getting two extruders with two axes of motion working on each layer seems like a dream come true. One of the extruders starts in the center and works it's way to it's end while the other extruder starts at it's end and works it's way to the middle. Fantastic. 👍 Or, how about a 0.8 nozzle and a 0.4 nozzle. Fast printing with all the detail of a fine nozzle for perimeters (IDEX could do this also). So many possibilities.
Very cool, love the contrast at the end of the really high tech looking printer next to a paint roller as a filament spool holder.
I am so glad to see you back in here. Your 3D printer projects and production quality are the best on this platform.
I am SO impressed and amazed. You motivate me so much! Keep up that amazing work!
Hi Jon, a daring leap, developing such a mega project like this. I'm happy for you that you made such progress. And you were able to capture all of it in a wonderful cinematic way, love your lighting and the way your shots are set up, inspiring! All the best to you!
Cant wait for all the new tech with 3d printing, the concrete infill idea and the other stuff you mentioned is awesome...
Keep it up man ❤
By far the best video I have sen this year, awesome editing and production with a super cool idea and flawless execution! WOW! Will be great to see where it ends up!
that is by far one of the coolest thing i have seen on 3D prining in years! amazing, can't wait to see more. good luck !
You have a commercial product here !! Great job !
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Very interesting design. I always look forward to seeing what you will try next! Must say that I love the spool holder!
Wow, I'm so proud of you accomplishing this massive milestone with this project!!! I can't wait to see where it goes from here!
Man, I found your channel a few years ago, when you were modding the ender 3, and oh boy. I have always loved your ideas and imagination, but this is something else. I still don't really understand why, but oh is it beautiful, and an engineering art too !
Thanks! I made a pinned comment with link to an article I wrote with a better explanation. Hopefully that makes things a bit clearer!
Looks like a really sweet printer. I hope you are able to get it dialed in. I love the gantry system it is a very elegent system. Your channel deserves to be a lot bigger than it currently is. You have really good editing and a great on screen personality and dry humor. Your projects are also a lot more interesting than most other 3d printing channels as you are actively trying to push the envelope and take risks. Keep up the good work!
Congratulations on such a huge functioning prototype!
Not sure if I would have called "true independent" since the gantries can not pass through or past each other and create exclusionary zones for each gantry. Basically they depend on each other to get out of the way.
Appreciate the core xz for the low weight gantry.
Really awesome project, very innovative to try new methods like this. Huge amount of work putting it together.
6 axis? It's 4+4axis maybe? If you ignore all the manual configuration for certain axis? It seems like 3+3 axis atm.
It’s definitely not what most would consider 6 axis, it is pretty much just two 3 axis printers that share a bed.
Dit is echt zo gaaf om te zien! Respect! Heel benieuwd wat je er nog meer van kan maken! Hyped voor part 2!
Awesome. Can't wait for progress and seeing the actual benefits of the TIME system. Mad props. Subbed!
There is no better feeling when your printer project works. Massive well done!
This system looks pretty cool but it's still just two printers side by side. They "can" overlap and print on each others prints, but they have to wait for each other to complete the work before continuing and that's not "independent".
IDEX knew this and did not bother with the second gantry because of exactly this problem.
Also the bed made out of a grill adds +20 points for style.
I agree with that honestly. It can be done but has other limits. I've thought of this for a while now and decided for 4 independent xyz axis to print and stich simultaneously. You would need 4 robot arms attached to a z gantry working at each corner. With each print head starting from the stich at offset synchronization it would be a continuous print which nothing running into itself
4 robot arms would be likely a very expensive and highly demanding task for computing
But they are independent. He stated at the beginning of the video that when you're not using both extruders for the same part (dual color/material) that you can print different parts with different materials at the same time. You can't do that with IDEX, you can only duplicate the same part due to the axis constraints. That alone makes this printer way more versatile than IDEX.
Don't have to wait for it to finish at all - as long as the g-code generation knows about the other gantry it can start printing on its side of this layer in the overlap as soon as the other gantry has moved on - In effect the print heads can chase each other around, with the only thing they need to know being how much do I slow this section of my print so the other print head maintains its lead. Complex to generate but this two printers at once with so much overlap does bring many potential benefits the IDEX can't do - for instance you may print a statue of woman on one side and of a man on the other both holding up the archway that eventually combines those prints without any slowdown caused by having to alternate the print head each layer, or simply print a bed full of massively different parts more footprint and probably energy efficiently than two separate printer.
I was doing the same thing a few years ago, basically all you have to do is split each layer into 2N sections where N is the number of independent extruders. You’d make the sections wide enough to accommodate for the extruders width and make each extruder separated by 1 extruder width distance. So for 2 extruders you’d have 4 areas where ex1 works on 1st area and ex2 works on 3rd area, and when they’re both finished they work on the even areas, always separated by that minimum extruder width. You could get fancy and calculate the sections to be of roughly equal area as long as they are larger than the minimum extruder width to avoid any collisions. You could get even fancier, but you get the point, it could get really cool but sadly true IDEX is patented by Stratasys so that’s probably the real reason we don’t see it commercially. There was a 3D printing company that tried it and I contacted the owner years ago and he told me that’s why they stopped developing it
Wow! I greatly appreciate every one of your videos and am always excited to watch as soon as a new one pops up! Keep innovating! You’re inspiring me and many others to think outside the box and try new things.
Somehow RUclips recommended this when I was working on something completely unrelated and I'm so happy that it did. I've never 3D printed a thing in my life but I stayed and enjoyed your journey and hard work building this machine. Super inspiring and incredibly motivating dude. Wish you all the best with your future projects! We can all learn a thing or two from watching your dedication!
Looks pretty cool. Watching now
BRO I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT 1
I could sit here all day and watch you work on 3D printer mods. Great Job
Great work Jon, love to see your channel grow and videos getting more and more professional. The effort will eventually pay off💪
Idea: Multiple 3d printers on top of a single conveyor belt. You can easily mass produce multi-material parts without changing materials, and with less unused print heads.
This only really makes sense when a print has layers of one material then another and is most efficient when they take about the same time to print, but in principle, it could be useful.
This channel and printer is incredible. I didn't understand the idea fully and saw limitations in the design for true multiplanar printing but decided to keep my comments to myself and read others comments. I'm glad I did because with you're comment @haph2087 it makes sense.
It appears that the T.I.M.E. Machine concept can answer any question/challenge related to 3D printing.
Ground Breaking? If not about as close as it comes to it
This is an awesome idea, thanks!
I couldn't understand the value difference with an IDEX. with an IDEX you can make multimaterial prints, and it both cases it needs to stop one extruder, move the other extruder in position and then lay the layer and repeat, except that an IDEX sounds a lot faster as does not have to move a whole additional gantry out of the work piece.
this could work if the piece would also move in x-axis as a conveyor belt, but I'm not sure if you can make a conveyor belt faster than a modern y-axis movement in a IDEX machine. this looks like 2 totally independent printers. the only exception would be if you could machine the part in one gantry (as it would required another gantry designed with more rigidity in mind)
I don't see a real usecase either. especially since IDEX is still a tried and tested option. however, the two portals could feature an IDEX each. or one IDEX and a totally different tool, for example to put inserts in special places during printing. depending on how the portals move, there could be more than 2 portals. but that might be feature creep.
the great potential it the ability to prime one extruder while the other is printing, which doesnt work with idex, while one is prining, the other starts to ooze.
When the second head is working the first head can go to a different part of the bed and start a different part. Belt integration would not be replacing a axis' movement. But move the part from one side of the machine to the other (and ultimately auto eject) so the printer can keep printing new parts with the first gantry while the second is printing on top of the previous part. In theory you could make this meters long and have a whole complicated production line of printers working on very complicated multi material parts.
@@jksjrgfpsjgr so, the great potential is beatable with a slightly longer y-axis with a place with a bronze brush to clean the nozzle. or retract the thing. or lower temperature through software. or a any combination of a trivial matter of adding a small and faster cycle through every layer.
that is not "great potential" at all if comes at a cost of essentially another complete printer. I would call it an insanely overengineered process, expensive and replaceable with a "tooth brush" and duct tape, if that is all the potential that it has.
@@giuseppebonatici7169 well no IDEX printer ever really worked, so its not as trivial as you think it is.
I've never seen a more deserved subscription in my entire life. This is amazing!
You have some of the most brilliant, creative and well engineered projects I've ever seen. Absolutely incredible printer, I can't wait to see how it goes.
maybe having equal print level for all heads is enough, so only x-y freedom required per print head beam. makes things simpler and more compatible with current 3d print slicers.
Make things simpler, what an odd combination of words😆
at least its fun.@@properprinting
also more efficient in parts and material use compared to multiple separate printers. ie the long shared print bed.@@properprinting
this is absurd and i like it
Wonderful job, thanks for all you do. You are a treasure to this community.
Awesome work and a lot of effort there. This is a big progress in this 3d world like u say! Greetings from Uruguay!
What chair do you have?
I don't see an emergency end stop on one of those gantries to stop them from crashing into each other.
This is really awesome! I look forward to seeing the future this project holds
LTT screwdriver. Nice. Seriously cool project!
So, how is this better than 2 separate printers?
just dont ask! you already know! :)
Watch the first minute again and tell me how you're going to do that with 2 separate printers ;)
I fail to see this as well. Why not a printer with a tool changer? Also I miss the humor that is in his videos, this 1 was too much engineering for me. But looking forward to see what he will do with this printer.
You are making progress, one step at a time my man. Nothing is perfect from the beginning, and there is nothing silly about the plate. You do what you need to do to get it working, then upgrade the plate later. You're doing a great job and I can't wait to see more updates.
FANTASTIC!! absolutely fantastic. keep up the great work.
Good luck with the future on this! Looks really cool and I can see the potential for it.
Another brilliant idea as always and cant wait to see what the future holds for this.
this is one of the coolest thing ive ever seen holy crap. amazing work
I never doubted it would work for a second. Excellent work as always Jon. Cant wait to see what comes next!
Amazing job, keep going ! Very impatient to see what happens next !!
Jon, the only guy i know that doesnt just think out of the box, the pallet, the shelf, the row, the warehouse, industrial estate, region, district, country, planet😂. Epic respect to you and your genius ideas. The one dude on RUclips who will always bring out the big gns in surprises. 🤘
I admire the innovation you bring together in this project! I can't wait to see what comes next with this project. Thanks for sharing the journey with us.
This is seriously awesome! Great work as always, I am pumped to see the cool projects that come out of this!
Oh Man this is sooo cool. Amazing job like your whole journey from the beggining of this channel.
It's awesome to see you've improved and are still using the frame system from way back.
The whole TIME system looks awesome (even though I don't really like a bed that's not square for some reason ;) ). Good luck reaching your goals for this project.
My dude, you are next level, and your cinematography is flawless. Subscribed!
This is hands down my favorite 3d printing channel.
This is incredible. Looking forward to seeing more of this system.
thanks for including all of the fails and iterations you went through during the build! Even in professional environments, no Research and Development / Design project works perfectly the first time. Many R&D teams expect failure and problems with early prototypes. Keep up the great work!
Innovation doesn't happen by itself, well done, earned my subscription.
Impressive stuff.. Looking forward to where this project is going.
Awesome Project! Can't wait to see the improved version with both portals active!
Your Video skills have improved very much.
I like the project and the video and even your humor in this one. :)
Your ingenuity knows no bounds. Love it!
This is quite ingenious! Weel done and thank for sharing!!
I don't comment on many videos... But I wanted to say thank you for taking me on this adventure. You are inspiring, and I really felt like I was a part of this project from beginning to end. So well done. Thank you.
This is seriously cool. I can only imagine how much work went into it. Great job!
Coolest thing on youtube to watch dude! keep the videos coming never stop with your ideas!
I am in awe of what you build my man. And what I love most is the technical complexity combined with the usage of everyday products like the grillplate and the paintroller. Love it!!!
I can't really tell how much "oh my god, this detail is just genius" and "oh look at that, this is even greater" moments I have while watching almost your every video :D I am just fascinated by your ingenuity and I hope you never stop developing and innovating!
Awesome, this is something worth watching and inspiring as a Mechanical engineer, hats off ! to your effort you put in this video.
Jon, so impressed with your tenacity, I don't think many of us could work on a single project for that long with all of the setbacks and changes required. Glad I had the opportunity to meet you at ERRF a few years ago, my grandson still asks about you and Max.
My goodness this is very impressive, great work!
Quite a brilliant concept and design. Very entertaining video. Keep up the excellent work!