Out of 3 trail breaking videos I've watched so far, this one is the best. That said, it could use some explanation of the theory & exactly what's happening with the bike. If we know what the bike is doing, we're more likely to grasp the concept & understand WHY we're trail braking. Thanks for the video.
Daniel WW here’s the why’s...TB allows the rider to 100% control their speed (in this case slowing) until the exact moment they wish to power out through corner exit. TB also creates improved traction during the first half of the corner when most needed. TB helps the motorcycle turn by compressing forks resulting in quicker steering geometry. Much more in my book and courses, but those are the highlights.
@@davidnoob9421 I do not. If there is a very slight overlap coincidentally, that's fine. But I don't advocate for purposefully using both brake and throttle at the same time. Blending adds a layer of complexity that isn't necessary IMO, and often times I don't transition right from brake to throttle or opposite...I may have a closed throttle w/o brake use coasting (engine braking) period in between. Best wishes.
I've been using this technique for decades to get through corners quickly. Didn't know it had a name. Surprises guys on sport bikes when I run my big Roadking through corners faster than a lot of them can.
@@garymanning8920 Maybe Steve doesn't realize those sport bike guys are just cruising along and not pushing it, yet he might think he's faster on his Road King because he passed a few of them. I owned a Road King for 8 years and I did some nice suspension upgrades to it, forks, shocks, frame stabilizers, etc. It was a nice bike for day tripping and was actually decent in the twisties for a big bike, better ground clearance than my Gold Wing, but no way could it hold a candle to my Ducati 999R and many others. Road King just doesn't have what it takes to really carve canyon roads. The guys claim is over blown in my opinion.
__ when riding around town, use front and rear for best stopping ability. When riding swiftly through the twisties, I suggest front only as illustrated in this video. Thanks for the comment!
Hey Jon. I read your book. In the chapter on braking you have a disclaimer that the braking techniques in that chapter don't apply to Motorcycles with linked brakes. Does this mean you should not trail brake on a motor with linked brakes?
L N ... look at it again. I say the opposite of what you’ve misread. The trail braking technique should work identical on any braking system. Best wishes. I did word that a little confusing, in your defense.
Street Skills Moto oops....glad you sent me back to re-read it. Page 33 side note. I misread it as "techniques do not apply" but it clearly says "techniques do apply".
mark gil tayag ... yes...turning into the curve still requires counter steering. Trail braking can assist in steering, however precision speed control is primary benefit. Best wishes.
Alper Gerson trail braking works best with front brake/throttle transitions. Rear brake use entering a corner is risky at sporting pace, although sometimes useful.
Not exactly. Close throttle as you approach curve, add brake as needed with two fingers, hold brake to apex, at apex basically release brake and roll on throttle to exit. I don't advise using throttle with brake lever at all. Taper one to the other seamlessly or even engine brake only. See other videos and my book for more detailed explanations. Best wishes.
@@jdelv86 So I hold two fingers of the brake a lil bit all the way to the Apex without using throttle? Then open the throttle at exit? I see, I'd like to buy your book please make it available on Amazon Kindle!! And please reply bro! This is confusing and I'm not a new rider either..
@@ChronicTHCBlaze So at 2:45 in this video I'm fully closed throttle using two finger braking. When I get to the apex (orange cone) ie. slowest point in turn, ie. happy with my speed and direction, I transition off of brake and onto throttle (at around 2:48). As far as Kindle, getting a dynamically built graphical book arranged correctly is really tough, I have graphics on most of the pages. So the hardcopy is something people can write on, flip, etc. But I'll look into it getting it on Kindle. Thanks.
You want to apply the brakes while approaching the turn and slowly releasing it all the way to the apex. You don't want to have the same pressure on the front brakes at full lean at apex since you have less tire traction. You'll risk washing out the front end especially if you are going at a fast pace.
great video! is it possible to lightly use the front break to make line corrections before the apex? for example if i brake into a turn, let off the brake too soon in anticiaption of the apex. and instead just find myself running wide can i lightly use the brakes to mantain my line until i release and roll on the throttle? sorry if this was confusing appreciate the help if you can thanks!
Yes you can. You should make the goal to always stay on the brake until you see your exit of the turn and burn that habit into your riding. Throttle should never be applied until you see your exit.
I've heard the term maintenance throttle , so as you are in the corner and slowly releasing the brake, you have the throttle applied to get you around the corner so that you are not coasting and allowing the bike to settle ?
When you really get to know your machine, you can get through corners a lot quicker, with more speed than you ever thought possible, but....baby steps, and watch for any loose gravel!
Braking loads the tire and increases the turning radius. Throttle loads the tire and decreases turning radius. Brake to tighten the turn, once you see the exit (apex) you can slowly and evenly apply throttle to bring the bike up right and exit. Increasing throttle in the middle of the turn only takes “points” away from lean angle and increases the chances of losing traction if you can’t start to bring the bike upright.
When I drive first time my bike I did the same without any couching n training. One must be very good at Physics of bikes 😛 to do anything but do it when you are sure about that what the hell u are doing 😂
Cory Mac that’s true in basic riding courses and also advised for newer and less skilled riders. Faster cornering trail braking is the key to control and confidence.
Every rider should learn trail braking. You don’t have to trail brake if you are moving slow through a curve, but, you are doing so with less traction. To properly load the tire and increase the contact patch, you must trail brake. Once you learn this skill, you can then slow properly in a corner if need be if you came in hot. If you don’t have that skill, you only have one option if you enter a corner too fast. Lean over further on an unloaded tire and risk low siding. Or, panic and hit the brakes hard and high side.
Ok...at the risk of embarrassment...I am trying to understand the concept...I am coming into a turn...I normally set up my speed into the turn either by braking or rolling off the throttle...push to turn...and then re-apply throttle during the turn while keeping my eyes on the exit point of the turn ...and then exit the turn...I do not apply the brake at all... If I trail brake, I am applying slight pressure on the brake while entering the turn, decreasing my rake because the front end of the bike will slightly dip... which is creating more surface area for the front tire...and I slowly trail off the brake...but here is what I don't understand...am I always rolling on the throttle at the same time? Or is it a momentary blend of brake then throttle to the apex of the turn? Help me out here...really trying to understand this as I think my Z900RS would appreciate a more skilled rider than I currently am
Michael Hartman The way I explain it, you don’t use brake and throttle at the same time. You transition from brake to throttle when you’re happy with speed and direction somewhere near corner apex. I’d suggest buying my book Cornering Confidence off Amazon. It’s 10% off currently. It will teach you everything you need to know about this technique. Both you and your bike will be pleased.
My book Cornering Confidence on Amazon will teach you all you need to know about trail braking on the street.
Best video explanation of trail breaking I ever seen. Thanks.
Charles Patterson try my others in playlist at trail-braking.com. Best wishes.
Tnx. I will.
Great video sir! Love how you carefully let the brake go. 👍👍 slow hand---fast rider
Excellent video, Jon. Short and to the point!
Out of 3 trail breaking videos I've watched so far, this one is the best. That said, it could use some explanation of the theory & exactly what's happening with the bike. If we know what the bike is doing, we're more likely to grasp the concept & understand WHY we're trail braking. Thanks for the video.
Daniel WW here’s the why’s...TB allows the rider to 100% control their speed (in this case slowing) until the exact moment they wish to power out through corner exit. TB also creates improved traction during the first half of the corner when most needed. TB helps the motorcycle turn by compressing forks resulting in quicker steering geometry. Much more in my book and courses, but those are the highlights.
@@jdelv86 do you blend controls or trail with brakes only and no throttle until you pass apex
@@davidnoob9421 I do not. If there is a very slight overlap coincidentally, that's fine. But I don't advocate for purposefully using both brake and throttle at the same time. Blending adds a layer of complexity that isn't necessary IMO, and often times I don't transition right from brake to throttle or opposite...I may have a closed throttle w/o brake use coasting (engine braking) period in between. Best wishes.
Very simple and understandable vídeo! Congrats!
I've been using this technique for decades to get through corners quickly. Didn't know it had a name. Surprises guys on sport bikes when I run my big Roadking through corners faster than a lot of them can.
Steve Burkholder whatever....
@@garymanning8920 Maybe Steve doesn't realize those sport bike guys are just cruising along and not pushing it, yet he might think he's faster on his Road King because he passed a few of them. I owned a Road King for 8 years and I did some nice suspension upgrades to it, forks, shocks, frame stabilizers, etc. It was a nice bike for day tripping and was actually decent in the twisties for a big bike, better ground clearance than my Gold Wing, but no way could it hold a candle to my Ducati 999R and many others. Road King just doesn't have what it takes to really carve canyon roads. The guys claim is over blown in my opinion.
SIR, IS IT NEEDED TO FULL RELEASE THE THROTTLE WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO TRAIL BREAKING. THANK YOU.
In my opinion, yes. Throttle closed, then apply brake.
Best video on trail braking Thanks
RAUL HOGLAND got lots more at trail-braking.com
should i use both brakes or front brake only or rear brake only?
__ when riding around town, use front and rear for best stopping ability. When riding swiftly through the twisties, I suggest front only as illustrated in this video. Thanks for the comment!
excellent video ! concise and quick and detailed! thanks!
Hey Jon. I read your book. In the chapter on braking you have a disclaimer that the braking techniques in that chapter don't apply to Motorcycles with linked brakes. Does this mean you should not trail brake on a motor with linked brakes?
L N ... look at it again. I say the opposite of what you’ve misread. The trail braking technique should work identical on any braking system. Best wishes. I did word that a little confusing, in your defense.
Street Skills Moto oops....glad you sent me back to re-read it. Page 33 side note. I misread it as "techniques do not apply" but it clearly says "techniques do apply".
L N it’s all good! Enjoy the linked brakes!
Great video 🙂👍🕺🏍
Thanks!
with counter steering sir?
mark gil tayag ... yes...turning into the curve still requires counter steering. Trail braking can assist in steering, however precision speed control is primary benefit. Best wishes.
@@jdelv86 ,thank you sir.. im from philippines sir
Execellent video, do we use front and rear brake at tbe same time or only front brake?
Alper Gerson trail braking works best with front brake/throttle transitions. Rear brake use entering a corner is risky at sporting pace, although sometimes useful.
Hi bro, so I hold the front brake a lil bit while still applying throttle, in the Apex and exit I let off the brake and open the throttle?
Not exactly. Close throttle as you approach curve, add brake as needed with two fingers, hold brake to apex, at apex basically release brake and roll on throttle to exit. I don't advise using throttle with brake lever at all. Taper one to the other seamlessly or even engine brake only. See other videos and my book for more detailed explanations. Best wishes.
@@jdelv86 So I hold two fingers of the brake a lil bit all the way to the Apex without using throttle? Then open the throttle at exit? I see, I'd like to buy your book please make it available on Amazon Kindle!! And please reply bro! This is confusing and I'm not a new rider either..
@@ChronicTHCBlaze So at 2:45 in this video I'm fully closed throttle using two finger braking. When I get to the apex (orange cone) ie. slowest point in turn, ie. happy with my speed and direction, I transition off of brake and onto throttle (at around 2:48). As far as Kindle, getting a dynamically built graphical book arranged correctly is really tough, I have graphics on most of the pages. So the hardcopy is something people can write on, flip, etc. But I'll look into it getting it on Kindle. Thanks.
Also, you can slow down to half speed to see better and see hear my engine speed (rpm) to get the timing.
You want to apply the brakes while approaching the turn and slowly releasing it all the way to the apex. You don't want to have the same pressure on the front brakes at full lean at apex since you have less tire traction. You'll risk washing out the front end especially if you are going at a fast pace.
great video! is it possible to lightly use the front break to make line corrections before the apex? for example if i brake into a turn, let off the brake too soon in anticiaption of the apex. and instead just find myself running wide can i lightly use the brakes to mantain my line until i release and roll on the throttle? sorry if this was confusing appreciate the help if you can thanks!
understood! thank you so much for the advice ! cant wait to apply and practice this knowledge come spring.
papo140 if you run wide drag a knee you aint deep enough over or have warm tires....or balls
Yes you can. You should make the goal to always stay on the brake until you see your exit of the turn and burn that habit into your riding. Throttle should never be applied until you see your exit.
Never Assume always be sure
Great video!
Walter Ocon explain in Tamil language
are you maintaining a constant throttle whilst easing off brakess through the corner until you hit the apex
I've heard the term maintenance throttle , so as you are in the corner and slowly releasing the brake, you have the throttle applied to get you around the corner so that you are not coasting and allowing the bike to settle ?
Ok thanks :)
When you really get to know your machine, you can get through corners a lot quicker, with more speed than you ever thought possible, but....baby steps, and watch for any loose gravel!
Braking loads the tire and increases the turning radius. Throttle loads the tire and decreases turning radius. Brake to tighten the turn, once you see the exit (apex) you can slowly and evenly apply throttle to bring the bike up right and exit. Increasing throttle in the middle of the turn only takes “points” away from lean angle and increases the chances of losing traction if you can’t start to bring the bike upright.
When I drive first time my bike I did the same without any couching n training. One must be very good at Physics of bikes 😛 to do anything but do it when you are sure about that what the hell u are doing 😂
I thought applying brake while turning was a no no.
Cory Mac that’s true in basic riding courses and also advised for newer and less skilled riders. Faster cornering trail braking is the key to control and confidence.
music name?
Shuvrojyoti Kar it’s just some royalty free music I found.
Never do anything in which u are not sure of the result 😂
I trun 70-80km/hr
Why try to promote a riding skill that is dangerous to learn on public roads and has no meaning there anyway?
Chris Doc ...clearly we disagree on your comment here. I wrote a whole book making the exact opposite argument. Thank you for commenting however.
Every rider should learn trail braking. You don’t have to trail brake if you are moving slow through a curve, but, you are doing so with less traction. To properly load the tire and increase the contact patch, you must trail brake. Once you learn this skill, you can then slow properly in a corner if need be if you came in hot. If you don’t have that skill, you only have one option if you enter a corner too fast. Lean over further on an unloaded tire and risk low siding. Or, panic and hit the brakes hard and high side.
Ok...at the risk of embarrassment...I am trying to understand the concept...I am coming into a turn...I normally set up my speed into the turn either by braking or rolling off the throttle...push to turn...and then re-apply throttle during the turn while keeping my eyes on the exit point of the turn ...and then exit the turn...I do not apply the brake at all...
If I trail brake, I am applying slight pressure on the brake while entering the turn, decreasing my rake because the front end of the bike will slightly dip... which is creating more surface area for the front tire...and I slowly trail off the brake...but here is what I don't understand...am I always rolling on the throttle at the same time? Or is it a momentary blend of brake then throttle to the apex of the turn?
Help me out here...really trying to understand this as I think my Z900RS would appreciate a more skilled rider than I currently am
Michael Hartman The way I explain it, you don’t use brake and throttle at the same time. You transition from brake to throttle when you’re happy with speed and direction somewhere near corner apex. I’d suggest buying my book Cornering Confidence off Amazon. It’s 10% off currently. It will teach you everything you need to know about this technique. Both you and your bike will be pleased.
@@jdelv86 ok...sold...thank you
What dangerous misleading crap.
Graeme SYDNEY c’mon, really? What’s misleading?
@@jdelv86 it is incomplete info. It is one type of corner.
Graeme SYDNEY what is incomplete? Exactly what makes it crap. I need to learn from you.