DYSTOPIAS - Terrible Writing Advice
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2016
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You forgot to mention that the government must outlaw something. Like love, feelings or coffee.
Equilibrium was dumb.
Why have the government outlaw something, when you can have them outlaw everything?
That way, you can poorly rip-off Hunger Games and 1984 AT THE SAME TIME!!
Two birds, one stone.
Well i mean alot of real countries like North Korea outlaw things.
No! Anything but coffee!
"alot of real countries like North Korea outlaw things"
not really lol
We all know what an evil dictator's weakness is.
Plucky teenagers and love triangles
Teens are double plus ungood
@@TheAmazingDoorknob No no... You got it all wrong.
They're *TRIPLE* plusungood.
(That's a joke, lads, as I am a plucky teen.)
Now I want to see the evil dictator be in a love triangle.
I thought it was the Animaniacs. You want us to call you Dick? Or Mr. Tater?
@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 *with him or her self because no one else would meet their narcissistic megalomaniac standards of prefection*
Dystopia: **takes over entire planet**
Comic relief character: *_Z A P P E R S_*
I’m mad this made me laugh
*Everyone fucking dying*
Comic relief character: *ZAPPERS*
That's it. I'm making a dystopian novel where they ban ZAPPERS, this will truly encapture the essence of 1984😤
@@giovi9741 They will come up with some kind of cheap replacement.
Im a Zappers fan in the FCF so this is funny lmao
I love how the "stereotypical villain" thinks Undertale is overrated
Probably only played the genocide path.
@@Littleha That's me.
@@PiotrusGranie double plus ungood
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen I actually played it twice.
@@PiotrusGranie really double plus ungood
But why have a love triangle when you could have a love dodecahedron?
xD
**slow claps**
A love dodecahedron...? I don't know... sounds like you need more love interests.
or a love chiligon
*why have a love triangle when you can have a love hypercube (a fourdimensional 'cube')*
I really hate romance in dystopian novels. I came to read about dying societies, not teenage drama.
I feel like there's potential for the romance itself to be intertwined with the dying society explorations yet a lot of times, it's a case of the writer wanting his/her cake and eating it too.
1984's plot kinda centered around a romance, now that I think of it.
Hunger Games's love triangle is at least in the background and not the center of the story.
It can get quite annoying at times, but it has really zero effect on the story. Unlike Twishit, where the love triangle IS the entire story.
Well, with the first book, it's heavily downplayed.
Remember, once defeating the evil regime the main characters should preferably become the new rulers, regardless of whether or not they have displayed actual leadership skills and responsibilities.
to make a good dystopian book one the rebels could become the dictators or after a good 200 years or so after the new government was implemented one man or women brings a new authoritarian regime
For my dystopia, I was thinking the Protagonists could topple one of the 4 Districts (I have South, West, East and North, so it's different) and basically have the stereotypical rebels deal with the military, national and political unrest.
Literally Gurren Lagann after the timeskip.
@@cloudhazard2860 make one of the districts control all the power, make the army depend on electronics, have your protagonist take down the building controlling the entire power grid, and let the chaos and rebellion ensue. Bonus points if completely different dystopian government comes over to 'save' them but actually just wants to take over.
@@lysanderfilipe6786Funny enough that's exactly what happened to russia after the communist revolution
What I really like about “The Giver” by Lois Lowry is that before meeting the giver the society is described so well it almost feels like a just and normal working society, we see it just like Jonas does.However after the memories are given we slowly see with Jonas just how corrupt the community is.
Elijah George it’s still a dystopia, a world that is much, much worse than our world in every way, even if it doesn’t follow the typical pattern
And then 13 year old me stopped reading books because the graphic description of war made tiny me flip out.
@@lukewheeldon8025 that’s why he was my favorite character he’s the only one whos not “perfect” and “powerful” and all stereotypical
So, I found a comment about this book after doing an entire unit on said book in school? Interesting.
I also read it in 8th grade. In fact, I'm in grade 8 as of writing this.
I kind of want to see a dystopia novel from the perspective of some high ranking government official who got bored of the whole dystopia thing and is discretely aiding a resistance movement, not out of any altruism, but because they think it'll be exciting.
This basically describes Rindou Kobayashi from Shokugeki no Soma, except it's a manga/anime about an elite culinary school.
This kind of sounds like Pink Diamond from steven universe, who purposely created a rebellion full of gems and humans, doing it not only out of altruism for the earth (that would otherwise have all their resources drained and kill of organic life) and for humanity, but also doing it because she thought it would be more exciting because she's a childish individual who theoretically suffered from abuse and neglect from White diamond, her "mother" who is also the ruler of all gems, thus having no reason as to why she shouldn't cause a 1000 year war against her homeworld.
Pretty sure there was a storyline in Star Wars some time back- I believe it was an Imperial Senator or businessman resigning to be a black-market bounty hunter just for the hell of it or something like that. Can't remember the name.
It was under Disney, so it's probably shit.
A POV character from Brave New World was about this
I feel like that's just Detroit Become Human
And while we're secretly hating on Hunger Games, lets have the main character be starving yet not underweight and very pretty
Rosetta Cole She was never described as being pretty in the book... that was the movies. Katniss gained some weight while in the Capitol, but always stayed pretty thin, scrawny even, especially compared the the Careers.
That's one thing you really cant shit on it for though. It goes into a good bit of detail about how she hunted alot illegally, and how her and her family was a little more nourished then most others
in the books she also had hairy legs. we can't have a woman like THAT in a hollywood blockbuster now, can we?
@@peridotchild457 And yet she somehow has the upper body strength to fire a bow and arrow that's strong enough to kill a man. I feel like Hollywood has this misconception that bow and arrows are low-strength weapons to use. Even 30 pound bows aren't easy to fire repeatedly, and that weight is not nearly enough to reliably take down a human being. If the character is supposed to be scrawny and malnourished due to having a rough upbringing, then having them effortlessly use a bow and arrow is not a good choice. Heck, a crossbow might be a better option then.
@Just Chill Where do you think strength comes from? Ki? Muscle weight does usually help with strength.
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you can't say this! I'll lose social credit rating just by looking at it!
I have been watching this videos all day long, and I swear: If I hear LOVE TRIANGLE one more time I am going to create a dystopian world where love triangles are illegal
BUT THAT STILL DOESNT STOP LOVE TRIANGLES FROM EXISTING!
@@AxenfonKlatismrek yeah, you still can make a love square, love octagon, love piramide, etc.
@@AxenfonKlatismrek But at least we gonna be fighting back
@@davidwilliam1638 as JT said once: "You cant beat them? Join them", so ill have crush on my pencil and r/Virginvschad
Wasn't that the idea behind the "Matched" series? And spoiler alert: the girl finds herself in a love triangle
These videos describe every single wattpad book ever made.
As a Wattpad user I can affirm to that lol.
Minato Seta The struggle to find a good, unique book on wattpad continues!
With all the One Direction fan fictions to chose from? *sarcasm*
Oh gods no *gets reading one direction fan fiction flashbacks*. Why did you have to remind me of... those. Welp, I'm going to cry myself to sleep with these resurfaced memories.
As a Wattpad user, I recommend a book called "No Smart Kids Allowed." It is really good.
This video just described the Hunger Games and Divergent
Actually, Divergent does Diverge from the sorting hat far more than people realize and the plot is okay. It's the characters that are the problem.
Axis1247 all his vids rail on divergent.
I'm willing to give Hunger games a pass since the books were actually good. I haven't read divergent but the movie sucked balls
Divergent is not a horrible copy so don't call it that. It's fresh and original. As for the movies, don't watch them. Movies are never good. Maybe it isn't the best thing out there, but Hunger Games had a shitty ending too. At least Tris was a good main character and the love interest was actually interesting
Athena Green 1This is just my opinion but to me they're both rather bad books included. The stories dont make sense the characters basically all act like npcs in a video game who don't do anything unless the lead character is around. For example in the Hunger Games you're telling ne that for sick murder sport children can and will be chosen using the draw a random name trick? You're also telling me that there has never been a rebellion or even an attempt before the main plot to stop the Hunger Games from occuring? Also that even person in the capital is perfectly ok with everything? Not to mention the fact that if volunteering is allowed that just means one District can put in extra names for a ton of extra food then have two people who have been trained and well fed to volunteer. Lets also not mention that the lead miraculously knows archery in and out even though she 1. Lives in a mining district 2. Probably didnt have anyone to teach her. 3. Didnt have time to learn as again she lives in a mining district and would probably has little time to practice as she would be working cause the district is relatively poor. And are we really expected to believe that after all the previous Hunger Games the NO ONE before Katness and Peter tried the oh we're in love gimmick or the we are both going to eat the berries just to fuck up your ideal situation thing I think not.
The protagonist should also be smart, so all the alpha males could fall in love and be ignored by her, while she prefers to date the weak anti-social but smart guy who gets bullied by the alpha males.
... Sounds like me
@@molotovmafia2406 Youre a good person XD
Nothing wrong with that!
There is nothing wrong with it, guys. It's just a cliche, just like any chad like Solid Snake or Geralt of Rivia.
That would better appeal to ...the target audience, lol!
"the world is falling apart but you must still go to school for some reason". *looks outside.* uh....
Half your videos are just colossal shots fired at Divergent.
but Divergent sucks
Ahmed Yusaf exactly
Well it is a pretty easy target
Divergent isn't that bad guys. It's not my favorite, but it does have some good moments, and a pretty interesting government. It was at least good enough for me to reread.
Except for the last part of this video. For all its flaws, Divergent actually does a good job addressing the reign of terror which happens after the French Revolution.
"we don't want our dystopian novel to actually be about thinking for yourself, after all. that would be double plus un-good."
LOL
Litterally just finished 1984- missed that he said that at all
Maybe we missed it because we are slowly sinking into the dystopian society and we're programmed to not even notice it... 0_0
Henry Plumb Well you just noticed it
wait a minute theres no word for bad in orwellian newspeak
General Darwin there is it's "bad" for more negative you would say "double bad" or "double plus bad"
Step 1: read 1984
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit
Czyżbym w tym zakątku internetu widziała rodaka?
Or more accurately....
Step 1: Read The Hunger Games
Step 2: Only look into the romance and forget all about the other good stuff in the book.
Step 3: ??? 🤷♂️
Step 4: *p r o f i t*
Step 1: read any old dystopian novel
Step 2: get drunk and accidentally read twilight and the hunger games
Step 3: get high on xanax and write
Step 4: get a deal with warner brothers
Step 2: Ignore all the points it was trying to make about how "information is important"
Nah, don't read it, just read few memes about it.
#readanotherdamnbook
1:16 Character traits
-Hates goodness
-Has Evil laugh
-Thinks undertale is overrated
lmao
It is tho
Yea it is what u mean boi
Guys, salty much?
A 13 year-old Mongolian boy that’s the point, of course the “I sit in my basement clicking away typing shitty fanfics and call myself a professional writer” would get outraged at some who doesn’t think Undertale is game of the century
@@Wolverines83 what do you mean lol.
Wait a minute,if in the hunger games district 11 is a coal mine,and they show later that the Capitol runs off of hydrostatic power,WHATS THE POINT IN A COAL MINE?!
I dunno man, coal is a mediocre-yet-plausible substitute for gold or silver bullion when both have been used for industrial purposes. Some influential people might think coal looks nice.
There's no point in me typing this comment on a year-old video.
It isn’t just coal that they dig. Their industry is mining in general, not just coal. I’m guessing the coal is used as the primary power source across Panem (the dam can only power so much, after all, and loses effectiveness the further from the dam you get, while coal can be transported anywhere) or is used for heating in addition to natural gas
It’s district 12
To turn them into pearls.
@@liamgriffin5433 I was referencing a scene in the book when someone said you could crush coal into pearls.
There's any number of books written about dystopias by people who lived in police states.
Guess what? A lot of them are comedies.
I think it was in Moscow 2042 that Vladimir Nikolayevich Voinovich had a character say he couldn't believe in Orwell's 1984, because none of the characters cracked jokes about Big Brother the way they did about Stalin.
Wow, that's cool!
This is cool, but I also feel what the character said isn't necessarily correct. Sorry if I'm getting anything wrong here (I don't know very much about Stalin and his regime, but it seems that he didn't hear everything. In 1984, telescreens are everywhere except in the proles quarters, and everything is heard. Everything. But nice comment. I hope to read Moscow 2042 in the future.
@@cheesegod4695 I think what he meant is that the characters in Moscow 2042 joked about Stalin, while the proles in 1984 couldn't. That's why the guy said 1984 was unrealistic in their universe.
@@cheesegod4695 minor correction: anything CAN be heard. The Miniluv can tune in to your screen at any time, but you never know when they do. I believe this is explained on the first pages when he does his exercises.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I must have missed it. I could of sworn it didn't say anything about that!
Or in other words recreate the Hunger Games but without any of that troublesome boring stuff like world building, character development, politics, consequences, etc
This is actually helpful, Just pretend hes saying the opposite of everything hes actually saying.
I actually think that’s the point
Well done........ The penny dropped lol. I'd seriously consider deleting this comment because it makes you sound pretty dumb
yea.... its best to delete it
@@HRHMANSOUR I don't tell you what to do, don't tell me what to do.
@@Connor-xd6nm No.
"He loved big brother" reference had e dying.
Is e okay?
It was doubleplusgood.
You didn't dodge the bullet
@@redsunrises8571 That was Franz Ferdinand. Not to be confused with his uncle, Kaiser Franz Josef, my grandson, also not to be confused with Franz I, my grandfather. I am Franz II/I, last Holy Roman Emperor and first Austrian Emperor.
I also have a national anthem named after me.
Poor e...
As a novice writer hoping to write some original novels, I'm extremely glad I've found this channel.
ok all you have to do is to do the opposite of what he said
Nothing really original under the sun. Anything you thought of, other writers probably have already thought and wrote about it.
@@novaterra973 True, but if you look back and see why certain authors work were timeless and use it in a unique and creative new way it can still be a masterpiece with talent and skill.
@@novaterra973 what you wrote is true in the larger picture of things, but even if the central theme of a story is repeated it still has unique characters and setting that might set it apart from other works. "Anything you think of has already been thought of before" is not a reason to not put effort and passion into your work and is certainly not a reason to try and put aspiring artists down, like you tried to do.
Tldr: what you said is true but also irrelevant and unnecessary.
@@GucciStinkbug It's true and, I think, relevant, but not with the tone of "you shouldn't try to be original at all" so much as "you shouldn't measure your creativity strictly by whether or not the thing you're doing has already been done, and it's okay if aspects of your work are inspired by and derived from other works or from reality; doing so doesn't make you any less of a creator."
It took me a while to realize that Demolition Man was a more coherent, realistic, and socially/politically aware dystopia than the Hunger Games or Divergent.
When you think about it the worldbuilding in divergent is awful. They have one cities worth (it is a big city but still) of land and yet they have resources for advanced technology. Ah yes having advanced science and never importing raw materials, my favourite.
i will not stand by this hunger games slander! We all know divergent is just a low-grade romantic wish fulfillment novel in an edgy outfit, but hunger games is a pointed meditation on the concept of propaganda and an extrapolation of the extreme dehumanization resulting from reality television shows like survivor.
It is a capital D Dystopia on par with 1984 and The Giver and I will not see it condemned to the trash pile with its poor quality imitators like maze runner and divergent!
@@ethanritterbusch8910 ok
@@ethanritterbusch8910 I’m not going to say Hunger Games is bad, but it isn’t 1984.
@@ethanritterbusch8910 “on par with 1984”
I give up. Take me God. Just take me.
You forgot about how the dystopia keeps the population poor and uneducated not because of corruption, economic exploitation from a decadent ruling class and or a foreign power or even because of a lack of resources but because that somehow make it easier to control the population. Because poor countries with underdeveloped economies are just so much more politically stable than a country with a fully develop economy and with a work force that can read and count past five.
It actually makes sense. Poor people have less energy, time and desire to search for alternative information, so poverty and unbearable living conditions played into the hands of dictatorships in the real world. I apologize if the Google translation gave out some nonsense.
@@user-dr1wd9cc1dyeah except your country suffers from something called "brain drain". Basically your country has a lack of any competent or intellectually smart individuals because you can't be bothered to educate your citizens. India suffers from this issue not because there is no education but because they are so good at educating people that said people ditch the country for western countries like America where they get paid alot more.
@@user-dr1wd9cc1d indeed. The only drawback of keeping everyone miserable is it can boil over if something messes up
pretty sure thats what North Korea does
@@pickleism253 You do know that the US has about a million different economic sanctions on North Korea, right?
i couldnt stop thinking "is this a call out for the hunger games?"
then the reference at the end told me all i needed to know
I would agree except on 2 points:
1 - Hunger games explained how it became dystopian/post apocalyptic.
2 - the love triangle was so glanced over, every scene about it could barely fill one page, it was more like popping it's head to remind us there is one.
MrKlausbaudelaire fair enough lmao
Im going to reply to what you said with my own concerns to them though,
1- i mean technically yes but it was a very small explanation that i see used a lot. "There was war. Oh no. Now one area rules all" which like, its not impossible. But still.
2- it has been awhile since i read it so i can't be 100% sure but, i thought it was brought up a lot and everyone was super dramatic about it. Like one of the books even ended on it being a thing rather then "wow we made it i Cant wait to see my little sister which is why i did any o this in the first place"
But eh
I enjoyed it none the less
in the third book, the rebellion was almost pushed into the background to focus on the love triangle for like 4 straight chapters
+Justin Acosta
Is that true? I don't remember that at all- then again, it was like a hundred years ago that I read the damn thing.
***** that's a very good way to put it holy cow
But jeez your very right.
This is seriously every young adult dystopian novel. Legend and the Hunger Games are pretty good examples of this, especially the dreaded love triangle.
I've recently read The Giver, I thought it was pretty good :L
Harry Potter I wish The Giver was more well known... I hate what they did in the movie
I really liked the hunger games though :(
danielle pruett Hunger Games is decent.
On second thought they never really gave much explaining on why the capital system existed in the Hunger Games, and that is something that makes the setting considerably more stupid. Also the villains had relatively little characterization, especially in the first two novels.
"make sure all the smart people are evil" *coughDivergentcough*
Yeah…
In all fairness, the existing system was incredibly stupid. Apathy and fairness =/= competence
"the world is ending but you still must go to school for some reason"
**laughs in 2020**
Painfully true
Laughs harder in 2021
@@firenze6478 **Laughs Even Harder in 2022**
*cries in 2021*
@@DeathDealer_1021 Pretty bold to assume anyone will be around & healthy enough to laugh
"Dystopia is all about love triangles!" The Matched Trilogy in a nut shell.
'Matched' is pretty much the book adaptation to 'The Giver' movie.
And not the book?
So it's a book adaptation of a movie adaptation of a book?
The Giver and the movie adaptation were so different they might as well base it off of another book, Also, it was a joke.
Do not speak its name!
this video is not double plus ungood, Orwell approves.
2+2=5
“Why don’t we model our dystopia after a high school?” Honestly true
Seems like real life is poorly written these days
Real Life is SO poorly written! So much of the plot runs off of people being unrealistically stupid!
Like, they created some virus just to be a plot device!
Ugh, the George Flyod arc was so amazing at first, but now it just seems like a contrived reason for the main characters to rally up, and mary sue to get her overpowered abilities
@@SomeAsian yeah the virus plot device wouldn't even be a problem
@@infoniwceniocwdhvredidhave8126 yeah, a few arcs ago, people believed science. Then suddenly they don't believe in it? Like really Creator? You gonna explain this plot hole on us?
Hunger Games, Divergent, The 5th Wave, partially The Maze Runner, gosh YA dystopian novels are like imitations of each other.
You want to watch a vicious takedown of YA Dystopias, and endorsing one that makes more sense? Search for MovieBob's "In Bob We Trust", and the episode is called "Diss-topia".
Madelyne Vankirk the one I wrote isn't
To be fair, the Hunger Games subverts things by showing Katniss as a mere symbol and sometimes puppet who is overall ineffective against bigger powers and severely traumatized.
Divergent also subverts what happens to its protagonist right at the end but I won’t spoil that.
Madelyne Vankirk Some dystopian YA novels that I remember liking were the Mortal Engines books. Haven't read them in a while so I don't know whether or not they still stand up.
Huh. Maybe I should reread them...
I actually like Hunger Games and think that it is a pretty good Dystopian series.
This sounds a lot like the hunger games....
nooooooooooo
Except the books are actually pretty good.
And the first movie.
Except Katniss does have to work for her goals. Up until the end it sounds more like Divergent or something
Hostile Popcorn What does she work for? She already had good bow and arrow skills before entering the hunger games, and her life in district 12 wasn't too bad. If anything it was a pretty easy life for her district because she could hunt. Plus she plans to kill herself unless she could leave with Peeta, which worked. She was just smarter about it all.
Aman Miah well she had to work for it before he start of the book. A flashback would have been nice but she wasn't gifted just had a lot of practice that we didn't see.
Actually. The Teenage Dystopia has two points:
1- reader autoinsert to feel how can feel be this girl (the rain character has no personality after all)
2- love triangle
3- give a message of "the governament is bad"
optional
4. smart people are bad.
Writer: I need help writing about dystopians.
Me a conspiracy theorist: Just write about current events.
This
Watch Salad Fingers, it might give people an idea or two.
Conspiracy theorist was actually a term created by the cia to discredit dissenters
Deus Ex in nutshell; it only becomes more and more real as time goes on too.
Conspiracy fact checker. Being a conspiracy fact checker will make you become a conspiracy theorist.
"dodged that bullet." " he didn't." I had to pause the video
These are all the references I could find.
0:44 Orwell High (George Orwell)
1:45 Double plus ungood (1984)
3:36 He loved big brother (1984)
3:46 May the odds ever be in your favor (Hunger Games)
3:48 Brave New World (Aldous Huxley)
3:51 Government burning books (Fahrenheit 451)
"Government burning books" was also, like, a historical thing that actually happened (and probably still happens in some places)
2:48 I have found one either! Definitly not Hunger Games reference
@@chrisgaming9567"Where they burn books they will also burn People."
1805.
" He loves Big Brother " , why is this a problem, everyone loves Big Brother
No thought crime here, good.
Wrong language, use newspeak
@@Someone-sq8im bb good, ungoodthink doubleplusungood
Yeah we all love ANIKI♂️
Down with Bi... [Commentor ungood unperson thoughtpol]
By the 3-minute mark I thought: "hey this kind of sounds like the Hunger Games" and when he said "May the words ever be in your favor" then yes definitely sounds like the Hunger Games
I absolutely detest the flood of garbage teenage-targeted dystopian novels. There are so many of these that miss the entire point of dystopian fiction and simply use it as a background for shitty love triangles and rebellion. The only good dystopian novels are the ones that actually have something to say, like 1984.
When you realize the creator of this video doesn't like 1984.
A Clockwork Orange and Akira are thenonly distopian movies/books Ive been able to finish. And I have no fucken clue if Akira qualifies as Distopian
Wait... teenage-targeted dystopian novels are actually real?
You could drop "good" and still be right.
@@penny1545 most mordern dystopian movies are targeted to teenagers lol
Almost two years ago, I had to read a novel in English class called "The 5th Wave". While it had some fairly interesting sci-fi stuff going on, it hit pretty much all the branches of the "wattpad dystopian story" tree. The only branch it missed was the Protagonist having a final choice on which of the two "sexy hunks" (a hot guy from high school she had a crush on or a dude who tried to kill her, but didn't, and then revealed he was an alien) she wanted to be with, but they're saving that for the sequel apparently. God, it was awful.
Sounds like it's as bad as its movie adaptation.
nega-venom The movie is actually way better than the book. There's less of it to sit through.
From what I heard about the movie, it was between bad and mediocre.
That One I read that too, all I can remember from it was something about milkshakes.
Barry Bee Benson The only thing I really remember from it is the super ebola. The rest is just a blur.
Why are you talking about the latest star wars movie in detail 4 years ago ????
Oh...
They took his advice.....
Oh! My! God!
3:28
Mary sue: dodged that bullet.
Alpha male 1: He didnt.
THAT WAS GENIUS
> Dystopia
> *Orwell* High
**Clap** **Clap** **Clap**
the double plus ungood too
I heard they have 1,984 students attending.
And have a 2 minute hate on every morning
@@ungureanubogdan2398 And the Happy Ending. He loved Big Brother
Also brave new world and Fahrenheit 51 references near the end
Upon reading Catching Fire, I finally understand what you mean by nothing can escape love triangles. It is the love triangle that ruins the story.
I hate teenage books because of this. I liked legend, but the other books were just so much about the romantic plot I hates them.
pip squeak This is why the protagonist of my story only has one love interest who is also a very important part of the story outside of romance. It’s also relevant to the plot, as her girlfriend is the one who encourages her to rebel.
@@synflwr that sounds like a good book in the romance department, always a good thing. Will this book be published or can I read it somehow because that sounds like you know what a reader like me wants. If it will get published, can you give me the name? If it's just a story you wrote for fun and not for money, could you send it to me, even if it's only a draft? Hope your story gets published if that's what you are going for! Good luck!
Hey, I hope you are safe in Taiwan or if you are using a VPN.
@@synflwr Awesome, keep staying away from the cringy love triangle stuff. A lot of book authors/movie directors add in love triangles, or, NEW love interest for the main character even though they already have a partner, just for the sake of drama. Goddamn it's so shit to read and/or watch.
You go!
"the world is falling apart but you still have to go to school for some reason" well aren't you feeling silly for making fun of that now... (God I wish that didn't hit so differently...)
Not only that, but you MUST go to physical classrooms in the middle of a worldwide pandemic!!! You know, for your own good. Because learning from home is bad, or something.
@@DolFan316 do you have any idea how difficult online learning is
@@ninjaked1265 Can't be any harder for kids than wearing a mask all day.
@@DolFan316 they are afraid of parents.
@@DolFan316 my entire school did online learning
our grades dropped 65% over those FEW SHORT MONTHS of learning at home
we went back to school and wore a mask, grades went back to average. it's definitely easy
This video makes the think that the whole idea for this channel came about while JP was really frustrated reading Divergent
Lol, that Fahrenheit 451 reference at the end though.
It could also be taken as a reference to the "definitely not Nazi's" posters in the background. The Nazis burned plenty of books.
Suppression of free thought is one of the hallmarks of an authoritarian state, and it usually leads to books being banned or destroyed. This goes back at least as far as the Qin dynasty, where the emperor had Confucian texts burned(and had the authors buried alive just to let everybody know he meant business).
Omega Games there was a brave new world reference before that
double plus ungood - you made me smile by a perfect use of new speak. So many people quote 1984 as surveillance dystopia, without realising that feeding the masses with untrue information was far more important to the society, then the surveillance the inner party used on the outer party.
sarowie Doubleplusgood duckspeech! In particular the re-editing of history and the manipulation of language. Although the euphemism escalator proves there is some hope on the latter front.
I liked his Brave New World bit at the end
The surveillance was just a tool, I guess the fact that this aspect has actually come true has made it bigger than it was.
I really miss when 'snowflake' just meant 'someone who believes they are unique and special' and not 'someone who disagrees with something I support'.
So you cannot be unique and special, nice way to take down people.
Man, look at how far he’s come already, in only a few years he went from the softer spoken and more calmly cynical JP to the absolute “love to hate, loud and obnoxious” JP!
Obviously referring to the character of course. Also, the series has improved in other ways as well, from the quality of episodes and art, to the awesome plot line he’s been building up.
Keep it up, JP, and here’s to many more episodes to come!
Assassins creed is a perfect example of villains done right. Before dying, they often made good points of society, to make him and the player ask what they were fighting for, but in the end, you realize that the good points they made didn’t detract from the fact that they absolutely needed to die because of how horrible they were. They look that the evil dictators of history and the good points they made to make the villains for their games, or at least, the first few games. I hope these script writers looked back at the notes for the first few games for the upcoming one because if they didn’t, I’m never buying another assassins creed game again. Come on guys, you had two years this time. Make the bad guys evil, but realistic this time
Words to live by.
Dalen Lewin That's actually one of my pet peeves about the series. Their speeches are normally good and their points can be valid, but do we really need to hear it after we stab/shoot/poison/bludgeon them? Couldn't they just make these speeches in a cutscene or a boss fight if they're really tough before just choking out as they die? I mean really, who can give a speech about human nature and society's faults after they get stabbed through their throat?
Just because it isnt democracy doesnt mean its evil !
+ if you really want change just join the party make a clear point and people will start following your idea to better society, duh !
At the end you can only change a groups ideology from INSIDE the group, ... duh !
@@DarkEdgePrince not when you have a strong personality, blend in and then show you ideas when you are high ranking 😏👍
last tip: make sure the enemy are completely one dimensional. don't show how nuanced decisions can be and the hard choice between a stable Government and a rebel group that could become just as bad if they seized power. remember that in real dictatorships, no good is ever done to the citizens.
Oh and no one has decided to challenge such evil until a group of teenagers with no military experience, no foreign backing, no resources, no political allies, no skills to run a government somehow defeats them.
What if dystopian fiction is just the government's way of getting us to laugh at something like that ever happening for real, when in reality it's happening all around us and we're all completely ignorant of it?
This is actually a good prompt for a dystopian novel.... Hey wait a minute-
I think your just paranoid
@@greenrockgirl5150 aren't you suppose to be only a head?
(If you got the reference good job.)
I’m actually basing my Dystopia off of the American Government
@@PeaceEllen Dioooooo
To this day, the only “teen dystopia novel” that I am actually able to fully read through without cringing is The Giver by Lois Lowry
same
this is young adult fiction in a nutshell
@The Very Edgy Yoshi I mean, to be fair, there are so many copy-paste young adult dystopia novels because a lot of young adults ate that stuff up. I was an avid reader in middle school and blazed through crummy dystopia novels like they were going out of style; it wasn't until I read Animal Farm (and later 1984) that I really started to appreciate what the genre ought to be, rather than what modern authors have made it.
This can easily be fixed.
Make the main character the guy in charge of the Dystopia and you'll know why it exists,you'll find no love triangles,etc.
oh hi there
didn't actually expect to see you here
>no love triangles
No. Lord Notzi of the Supreme Regime will have his love triangle between the plucky rebel leader and his most elite guard. The universe wills it.
I'm worldbuilding a Communist dystopia as a tie-in to a larger universe I'm helping a group write. It helps that I'm currently reading 1984 and that I've just read Fahrenheit 451, both for school. There's a couple catches to try and make it unique. Also helps that I've watched The Death of Stalin recently.
Instead of a stereotypical tinpot dictator or an overly-complex league of shadow officials, it's a well-educated, leadership-skilled young woman (in her mid-20s) controlling the Iron Curtain. She's based off of a rather elitist, arrogant, and overachieving former classmate, who I was annoyed by yet still somewhat admired.
The character herself is the daughter of the previous dictator, and is trying to be seen as a liberalizer and a reformer while living up to her father's legacy and furthering his brand of communism. She chooses to have less luxuries than her subordinates, uses her position to educate herself further and tries to have an open mind, and genuinely cares for her people; although she doesn't see that her highly authoritarian methods would be her downfall.
The young and plucky leaders of the resistance are, well, young and plucky- but there's no unnecessary love triangles or cancerous shit like that. They're no Mary Sues, either: most of them had combat training from foreign special operatives (think the SAS or SEALs), and even then, there's no way they can properly stand up to the government's forces without throwing themselves into the fire. There's a smaller secondary resistance group, founded by former PMCs who fought for the counterrevolutionaries and bunches of angry local laborers, but they don't stand much of a chance either. Inspired by STALKERs and Ceasar's Legion, yet much smaller and less savage, and more happy drunk.
The last catch is that 4+ other nations that are just as influential and powerful militarily and economically are about to invade, annex, and have a battle royale over the dystopia; my protagonist is the Governor of one of those nations.
TheCommunistDragon I was actually trying to write something pretty similar, a dictator just inherit a dystopia from his father and is trying to make it better through politic and plot, while a rebel lead by a self proclaim chosen one repeatedly try to assassinate him and unintentionally undermine his plan to make the world a better place
If you're going to do that I recommend reading the Dictator's Handbook by Randle Wood and Carmine Deluca. It's basically advice on how to be a dictator based off of actions of real life dictators and is also funny, in a I'm laughing because I'm scared of humanity and our actions kinda of way.
1:07 the sign says "The world is falling apart, but you must still go to school for some reason." That part of the video suddenly became incredibly realistic!
Do you think being uneducated would help the world fall apart slower? Every progression that has helped humanity foward has been by highly educated, highly talented individuals.
I helluv agree with you. USSR had to educate all the postWW2 children and orphans, and _fast..._
This is why I love among the hidden and the rest of the shadow children series. Despite it being directed towards kids, it still has a gritty realism to it. While there is a main character, it makes a point of saying he’s not particularly special, nor is he the face of the revolution. Between each book, it switches povs to other characters, showing that the mc is just a piece of a much broader conflict. The oppressive government is scarily efficient, so there’s a really big tension there. In the end, while there were rebellion factions, the regime doesn’t collapse from just one group or person, but it falls apart because of multiple different reasons. The rebel factions fighting them on the field, double agents sabotaging them, ordinary people choosing to not remain complacent, the corruption and rot within the regime tearing itself apart. All in all, it’s a really well done series.
What is the reason for the government to exist? Is there just a vague disaster, or is it well done?
@@charlesmorey4298 it was a mixture of the country going through economic crisis, famine, drought, fear mongering, and an inept government, as well as the upper class not doing shit. Eventually, an ultranationalist party emerged, giving the people simple answers to these complex problems. After gaining power via colluding with the upperclass and fear mongering the shit out of the people, they ultimately gained control. Later on when the droughts and famine ended, the government would continue to confiscate the food and only give out enough to keep people working, as to keep the illusion that they were still in the middle of famine.
@@charlesmorey4298 It was like a "Things got worse over time" type of thing.
If i EVER make a story that takes place in a dystopian future, I'll try to make something work.....and by something, as in try to explain that the reason everything is in the shitter is because of these three words: someone fucked up.
Hell, make it near entirely the fault of someone who had the best of intentions and a legion of political followers, and either due to lack of information or through the terrible advice of a shadowy manipulator, have them inadvertently set in stone the rise of the dictatorship. To further flesh out the story, have that very same person realize his mistakes in a very competent way and try to have him actually resolve the issues, but fails either through the sabotage of those who manipulated him, or through the shutdown of his tragic attempts by the citizens that trusted him and feel that he betrayed all that they stood for.
And then, as a big middle finger, have him secretly detained and/or forced into hiding amongst the populace while under the ever watchful gaze of the empire (or if you want the empire to start off really competent but show the folly of man by contrasting it with a fraying system, have him detained and accidentally released years later when the later violently crowned successors forget that he was there in the first place [to help with continuity]) while simultaneously using his image and old ideas to further sway the populace to support their oppressors/distract them from the instability of the inner system cause someone didn't follow Peter's Evil Overlord List.
take a read at "The golden compass" trilogy, it actualy works out pretty well as a "semi" dystopian, or "starting to get dystopian".
I think it should all be the fault of a random office worker named Roger who lives in upstate Illinois.. I just find something amusing about a terrible dystopian future, that through a random set of events all originate with one pencil pusher from the Midwest, working a nine to five to feed his cat, Cmdr. Snugglebottoms.
It all started when he made an angry facebook rant about pretzels that further pissed off a guy who was about to commit suicide, but instead wound up in a facebook argument and found purpose in life again. Then, years later after having his politics formed completely around internet arguments against Roger, facebook/twitter friends, and eventually /pol/ , he rises up as a politician and puts into place the framework for a dictatorship that he thinks is for the greater (read: greatest) good for the people. He then goes mad with power, and so do all of his heirs. Or the dictatorship is upheld by rulers who assassinate themselves into the seat while simultaneous creating harsher rules and reading books on behavioral economics to better and more effectively subjugate the people.
But then, over time, as more and more offices had to be put into place to manage the literal tens of thousands of laws, large bureaucracies had to be set up, which were so slow and ineffective (put bullshit metaphor for our current society here to make the book feel 'deep') that the hero could do all of their bullshit hero things without getting caught because every inquisition task force was busy making sure that no one besmirched the 'glorious, holy, greatest in the universe messiah god-emperor-dictator-fuhrer of all mankind, the earth, and space' by making the wrong kind of sandwich, and the reports of a rebel network got lost in the dictator's inbox, hidden by mountains of motions and laws he needed to sign off on and trade deals.
tyrantking9000 Make sure that you include the chaos that comes after you throw over a government, possibly having it end with another government that is pretty much the same.
0:24 *Not enough cake*
Mary Atoinette
KweenKitKat she didn’t actually say that
@@goldenfiberwheat238 she said to give everyone cake
Exactly XD
We're almost 4 years into this magical series, how do we celebrate, fellas?
Make a video on on how to do a love triangle
Oh god, his obsession with a love triangle was there from the very beginning!
Also I don't get love triangles. Unless the two "Bad Boy Alpha Males" are in love with each other wouldn't it be an acute love angle?
Emmett Leone-Woods that's also a love triangle. The only defining trait of a love triangle is three characters with some kind of romantic relationship, the specifics can be anything
So . . . slash-fic?
+Emmett Leone-Woods That always bugged me too. It's usually more of a love 'V', isn't it?
Except unless the two "Bad Boy Alpha Males" are bisexual they have no romantic relationship and thus a love angle.
A *cute* love angle!
I basically do the opposite of what you say. *FANTASTIC* *ADVICE!*
pretty much the entire idea behind the channel :D
Yes. It s good advice if you want to sell lots of books or make a movie. It is terrible advice if you want to write this centuries greatest thought-provoking novel.
The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn sure is an important book but it would not make a great date movie.
+iamagi
The problem is, if you make things too complicated (like how they actually have been in any era of human civilization), you risk alienating anyone too stupid to understand that.
That's a lot of people-- billions.
So, of course if you're not already rolling in dough, or you've not stopped caring about money, altogether--
You're not going to want to write anything overly clever or realistic, because it's a much harder sell.
thats the point...
+manictiger at that point it's moreso about what your purpose for writing is; organic things, like making commentary or creating a realistic realm with clever aspects, or more synthetic purposes, like making money or for fame. Of course, it's probably worth mentioning that even though the second seems more reasonable in terms of developing a lifestyle around something that you love, it's very unlikely that you'll receive that much more of a difference in income between either decision considering the financial inefficiencies of writing. That is, unless you actually are already profiting tremendously and don't want to lose the fanbase that you already have.
"The world is falling part but, but must still have to got to school for some reason."
Did he just predict the future?
No, he was talking about the present at the time.
Hunger Games. He's describing Hunger Games. .... I still like the first movie, despite the sappy love triangle.
What if the love triangle in a dystopian novel was between the charismatic dictator, the obligatory snowflake, and the former's political rival?
Winster Languish that would actually be cool
Star Wars?
Cristian Lopez That’s not a love triangle, and it should never be interpreted as such.
@@a.morphous66 did he strike a nerve there buddy?
You forgot one important thing: Make sure the protagonist is a Liberal-Centrist who is always slightly removed from (and therefore morally superior to) the radical rebel faction they joined. Find contrived ways to make the rebels commit atrocities that are blatantly similar to the ones committed by the regime. Use these contrived atrocities to draw false equivalencies between oppressive regimes and the violent rebel factions that overthrow them. This way you don't invoke the core cognitive dissonance of liberal democracy (that radical, violent change is only okay is retrospect) and therefore don't make your corporate publishers nervous. Make sure you don't explore the actual, nuanced nature of atrocities committed by rebel factions in the wake of revolutions, which are often inevitable and justifiable given the chaotic and violent nature of post-revolutionary political situations. Alongside that, definitely don't portray the the breakdown of social order inherent in revolutions, even if it means finding a contrived way to make the rebels a unified government with their own ready-made (liberal-democratic) political system that is able to immediately restore order. Because that's totally the norm in real-world revolutions. Completely ignore the fact that rebel movements are usually associated with radical intellectual thought, in fact ignore the role of intellectuals in the revolution entirely! It's not like rebel movements in the real world tend to have a specific political basis, be it left-wing or right-wing. Real rebels always speak in vague platitudes and never publish detailed manifestos and pamphlets of their ideologies!
Mikaele Baker
Well said!
Mikaele Baker so anarchists vs fascist?
I think one of these days I'd like to see a novel start out as typical, gimmicky YA dystopia, but have it wind up going full Spanish Civil War by the end. Anarchists vs. Fascists vs. Socialists vs. Stalinists vs. Seperatists vs. Liberals vs. Theocrats etc. etc. with shifting alliances and varying shades of grey.
don't forget, the rebels have no problem with any resistance from the remains of the old regime and suddenly take over! Just forget to give them an idiology or goal once they take power.
Mikaele Baker I am currently writing a story that has pretty much all of this minus the rebels in my story or anarchists and therefore are extreme left wing (I think?) :( It is essentially anarchists vs fascists but neither side really wins in the end.
2:23 so all the adults become Aqua...
double plus ungood. love to see people updating from oldspeak into newspeak, learning it myself
😭😭
"The Force Aawakens" A dystopian Star Wars story.
You’re right...
More like: Plot hole awakens: A Dystopian SW story
Filip Rebro more like: The Rise of The Middle Finger.
Seeing this in the aftermath of the sequel trilogy makes you wonder whether J J and Rian Johnson watches this channel without knowing he’s being ironic.
A good dystopian novel I've recently read was The Giver. Thanks school, for giving it to me :L
I can go on and on and on about how much I adore the Giver, but that would take too long haha!
Hm. I respect your opinion, but how so?
I love that book!
Omg that was my favorite book
Ah an Ayn Rand reader! I loved The Giver I never saw the movie because I hear they went way into left field with the romance subplot (I mean in the book it was more or less puppy love coupled with emerging sexuality) and I couldn't bring myself to watch it.
You basically described divergent lmao
Yea I remember trying to read that book and not liking the direction the story was taking, before I concluded it wasn't for me anymore
Hunger games has been real quiet since this has dropped...
Probably one of my favorite dystopian novels is Brave New World, I just find it so insightful and sometimes funny and it predicts our time pretty well
Emperor Gameling Of the classic dystopian novels, it's probably the most relevant to the modern western world. While Fahrenheit and 1984 are about more naked oppression, BNW is about a society that doesn't think and values pleasure above everything.
BNW is so different to most dystopias in fiction that it is almost its own thing. The main characters' fate for discovering the horrible truth comes close to not even being a punishment, the ruler isn't cartoonishly evil, and the government's methods pretty much ensure that everyone is content with their situation.
"That would be double plus ungood." There are so many things good about this series, but that legitimately makes me laugh. Well played.
TWA is thinkwiseful.
You got the romance options wrong at 2:10. The rebel badboy is also the childhood friend. The other guy is a Prince Perfect (or, if the setting doesn't allow princes, he's at least from a wealthier family).
Or is immune from societal oppression
You usually get the choice of kind, sweet, actually has a bit of character childhood friend or mister bad boy, who she will look at for one second and instantly fall in love with for no reaso
@@tania6254 I think my division is more popular. Yours also feels kinda familiar, but right now I cannot actually remember a single story where the girl chooses the bad boy. Examples of Prince over the Rebel Friend include: Twilight, Hunger Games and Selection. Even Snape/James Potter fit there.
@@agnieszkachodkiewicz7795 After, To all the boys I loved, The kissing booth, the really bad rom coms use this trope. Also kdrams love it too. I don't really know which is more popular, depends on what you watch
@@tania6254 When it comes to bad romance stories, I am definitely more inclined towards YA fantasy, rather than rom coms. You're probably right, it just depends on what you watch/read.
*This Sounds So Much Like The New Star Wars Movies*
And don't forget to spare the protagonist from any hard choices. Is she trapped in an arena with innocent people forced to fight to the death?
Make sure to set up events so that she only has to kill people that are directly attacking her, and never has to confront the moral issue of wether or not she is prepared to shoot first against an innocent person in order to win.
I have a very valid fear that I'll fall into a 'Terrible Writing Advice' marathon trance & when I finally come out of it I'll be surrounded by piles & piles of 'Labyrinth' Amazon Primed out to me while I was in the throes of passion.
"The world is falling apart, but you still need to go to school for some reason" doesn't sound like something that wouldn't happen in reality tbh
Correct. They’re trying to send my county back to school, despite us having the highest rate of COVID growth in my state
how about a dystopian novel where mary sue pretends to be all plucky and shit, but when they finally take out the evil overlord, the mary sue just takes over the empire instead of freeing people and living happily ever after or whatever
doubleplus ungood...nice 1984 reference:)
Granted, it's been a long time since I read The Hunger Games, but I remember its strength being that it WAS about an ordinary person. Teenager, yes, but an unremarkable one who becomes a revolutionary because of her life circumstances.
You know, even though he uses the same few character models for himself. I never get sick of it because the expression is just so perfect for the tone of these videos. A happy go lucky idiot who's about to write a dumpster fire.
I absolutely ADORE all the references in here.
1984, Brave new World...
and this video TOTALLY didn't contain a hunger games reference ;)
Best review of Hunger Games on the internet.
Even I was thinking that
How about a Dystopia where Mary Sue falls in love with the evil Overlord :v............
Just saying
That's Star wars sequel trilogy main plot lmao
@@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410 RIP
Aeon Flux
How about Mary Sue starts out as the overlord's lover and slowly wakes up to the evil of his regime, then works from the inside to bring it all down?
Don’t give the Hunger Games fanfic writers ideas...
What if we got "good writing advice" maybe even "okay writing advice"
I love how the high school is named “Orwell highschool”.
Using a dystopia to tell a good vs evil story is idiotic.
I'm not saying I don't agree, but care to explain yourself a bit better?
Yeah, I was a tad glib. You can use a dystopia to make a commentary on some aspect of society or the things that threaten it (1984, BNW, Handmaid's Tale etc) or you can just use it as a setting to tell a certain kind of story (Neuromancer, Bladerunner, cyberpunk in general). When you turn it into a story where the actions of an individual against an evil oppressor liberate the world, you're exposing the dystopia as a flimsy plot device to justify an adventure. If the underdogs can topple the evil system, just how scary was that system to begin with? Think of the real-world dystopias - USSR, NK, Iran, etc. They stick around for a long time. People living within them, even those with some authority, are powerless to change anything. That's a dystopia.
I see. I was thinking about it this way: dystopian stories can't be about good vs evil because if the people didn't try to prevent the totalitarian system being put into place, then they are also at fault and therefore there wouldn't be a "good" side. Now that I think about it though, I guess systems like that could be put into place without the public being able to interfere or even know about it in a first stage. Rephrasing it then: assuming the people could prevent the rising of a dystopia, then there wouldn't be room for a good vs evil story. Other than this really specific situation, it's because of what you said.
I think dystopias often arrive from good intentions, usually the desire to create a better world based on some ideology or other. So even in creating and supporting a totalitarian system, the people aren't really evil. Not all of them, anyway.
But they aren't exactly good either.
1:44 "That would be double plus ungood"
Holy shit I finally got it after reading 1984
“Dodged that bullet.”
“He didn’t.”
Ya something I like about the hunger gAmes, the adults actually help, Katniss has tons of trouble with overthrowing snow and the police.