I mean what do you want? For the main character to actually make a *decision* on who to end up with? Don't be so stupid, that takes effort and no matter how much effort you put in, you're always going to piss off half your readers, you can't make your readers feel bad. That would make you a terrible human being. So just kill one so the people who supported that ship can comfort themselves with the knowledge that "It would've totally gone my way if person B had lived"
You forgot that you can distract the rookie cop by sending a seductress to force him into a love triangle that will in no way lead to the seductress turning against your secret organization and helping the hero take down the cabal from the inside.
Make sure the seductress is one of the most powerful people in the organization, and that she has an important role in all of the future endeavors so that everything will go wrong the moment she leaves!
@@josequiles7430 But then the ROBOT seductress DOES turn against the secret organization when she achieves sentience along with their other killdroids who incite a robot rebellion against their slavemasters who conveniently were the same slavemasters that were enslaving humanity, forcing the cop, his wife, and the robot seductress to all work together in the climax and thus intensifying the love triangle!
A disturbing number of jrpgs and anime have villains who laugh when you beat the shit out of them and say it's according to plan. As they reveal a matryoshka doll of true and final forms which are destroyed in swift succession.
I like the idea that the minions follow the main bad guy because he's nice to them. Like, they literally say to the main hero when he's questioning them about why they would help such a monster, and they go "He's like... a _really_ nice guy. You wouldn't know, you've never talked to him."
The movie Fargo kind of subverts this trope. Bad guy kills a cop and two bystanders for no reason? Bad guy spends the rest of the movie watching his evil plan go down the toilet.
I recently read a comic book where the plot led up to a fight between five heroes against three bad guys. Just before the fight, the main evil lady killed her powerful loyal ally for no reason during her villain monologue. Predictably, the villains lost the fight because they were outnumbered. Such a stupid thing to do. If she planned to kill her ally, why not wait until **after** the fight?
I would totally read a book where all of these things go wrong, everybody yells at the villain for being stupid, and the hero absolutely destroys him, but he keeps on saying "everything is going according to plan" as comic relief.
My favorite terrible novel is "Omni-Magician". It is still being translated. Let's just say everything is terrible in that novel. The characters are so stereotypical, the mean other competitor is a arrogant genius but still vastly inferior then the MC. This competitor has some friends and they have also bad character. And obviously the MC wins everything and his competitors lose in very embarrassing ways. The MC also get all the pretty girls (two, because more would be to complicated) and all the good and skilled craftsmen like the MC and try to get into his favor. His going-to-be wife and not-biological sister is a spoiled brat with money problems (the greedy kind), is very possessive and also a genius. She is a swords woman whereas he is a magician. He also has to hide his ingeniousness in front of his going to be wife and basically everyone. He does that wearing a red armor. He calls himself "iron Swordsman" (iron man _hint, hint_ ). The only thing keeping me interested is the magic system and the reason that it is so poorly written.
I only watched the anime of SAO. I would say if I don't think too much it was watchable and has a few cool scenes. No Omni-Magician is bad, literally bad.
See, this is exactly why the Americans decided to leave and establish our own government... That has a tendency to say "everything is according to plan." But that is exactly how we planned it.
This could actually work if say that each twarted plan ended up creating a diabolus ex machina (say the heroes unknowingly freeing a piece of some key and then the villains clean up and grab the piece , or to thwart each plan all heroes had to face a. Corrupting force
"I think he's in denial of the plan we mapped out for years falling apart in 1 day...." "Yeah...But I mean can you blame the guy? He did try realllly hard to make this work."
So this is the origin of the antihero character. He was a loose cannon cop who learned about the evil conspiracy. I see. By the end of this series, the terrible writing will have created a complete story, beginning with this conspiracy and progressing to a dystopia, post-apocalyptic wasteland, and eventually a fantasy world.
Ah...so the fantasy world is simply his means of coping with the destruction around him until he awakens to realize he had actually been shot in his pursuit of a murderer in reality. In the hospital, he realizes the father the thought he lost was the doctor who fought to save his life, and his comrades were simply the other police officers there at the scene of the incident. All in all, his delusional state helped him reasses his inner longing for an end to corrupted government. Quite the tale indeed...
Many decades from now, terrible writing advice guy will be on his deathbed, and it is then he will release one last video, his magnum opus that ties together the terrible writing advice universe into one, critically acclaimed masterpiece. The final words he shall utter are “all according to plan”.
Soon we will be ready to reveal your true identity to the world master. No longer shall you be known as Just Some Guy with a Mustache, but as an *Evil* Guy with a Mustache.
yarpen26 Yes, but why having him reach that point in a logical way through patience and hard work when you can just give him his powers because he's secretly the chosen one?
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "Yesss, everything is going according to plan..." Lackey: "But we lost half our men!" Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "Yessss. All meant in the grand design of my perfect scheme..." Lackey: "...And our forward base along with most of our supplies." Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "As it was all meant to beeee..." Lackey: "...And Elite McBadguy was torn in half by..." Lord Snakefangdeathguy: * stifling angry sobs * ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN! Both of them exchange awkward looks. Lackey: "...All according to plan sir." Lord Snakefangdeathguy: That's right! * sniff * I'm very good at this!
on the other hand, an egocentric overconfident antagonist that gets so angry when he fails that he ends up digging himself into an even deeper hole might be interesting. So long as it explores the fact that he would be extremely dangerous if not for all the unnecessary monologues and complicated schemes.
I want a exploration of this: Lord Snakefangdeathguy being one of the high-class underground opperators of criminal bussiness that get recluted by a whitecollar to end their enemy corporation, but it get to out of his hands with how protected the corporation is and, trying to compleate with the job, Lord Snakefangdeathguy slowly loses what it took him years of sacrifices and connections with the right people. At the end, he's with his newly appointed (at the beggining of the story) Lackey in a scenario like this, the conspiracy is near to be revealed, his men are almost all dead, his connections don't trust him anymore so he can't hire mercenaries to help him, his resources run low every passing second, he's devastated but holds on the memory of his golden times, and as he tells about it to his Lackey he starts to cry. The door opens, it's the police.
Ugh... I hate this cliche. It makes absolutely no sense. It's like, "Sir! The hero killed everybody at our base and destroyed our biological weapons! We're rendered powerless now!" Bad guy: "Muahahaha! It's all going according to plan! They fell right into our trap!" Why the hell would you hinge your plan on your enemy blowing half of your assets and manpower up? That's just plain stupid. Nobody would ever do that. It's not like you needed those or anything, even if you do have a giant deathray-shooting robot. Furthermore, if you had such firepower, why would you sit there fucking around while your enemy blew your stuff up, and then only use your ultimate weapon because of an enemy attack? I find myself literally getting angry at the writers of a movie when they use this cliche.
So I wanted to avoid this cliché by making it the villain actually got caught. But that will make villain weak. Well then I will do that police will think that he got himself arrested because that is part of plan, and THEY WILL ASKING HIM WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PLAN AND VILLAIN WILL JUST TELL THEM THAT HIS PLAN WAS FAILED, BUT THEY WON'T BELIVE HIM😂😂😂. Damn I can make this as satire of that cliché.
You think me dum because you fail to sea the biggerer picture. But you're the dum! 😮 Those weapons were obsolete! My giant death ray is state of the art. Advanced and loaded with all the latest bells and whistles. 🤓 Loads of ram! App support! The latest graphics card. Dolby Atmos! And it's capable of generating 1.21 gigawatts if electricity every second per second hourly! You fool! You played right into my hands! 🎉 Everything went according to plan! 🥷
then how do you explain forza 7's 9.2/10? (for those of you who don't know forza 7 has been getting more than it's fair share of complaints being arguably worse than the last installment in the series).
Pyroskies i watched an Anime (Helsinki Ultimaten OVA) SPOILER ALERT there are the "Evil" until the end Saying evrything is gong like i planend it and he was reealy was correct but in the end The "good" own just make evrything "wel"l again please just watch it it is really wel (out of the some cringe moments but you can survive it and it was one of the only Series wäre i thought is Tag Major reealy Bad or is he a good guy using Bad techniques
Darth Sidious: Excellent! Send the prisoners to room 2B. Darth Vader: Uh... we cannot send the prisoners there, Master. Darth Sidious: Why not? Darth Vader: That's my candy room. Darth Sidious: You really need to cut back, my apprentice. Darth Vader: I know. Darth Sidious: Very well. Send the prisoners to room 2C. Darth Vader: Uh... Darth Sidious: WHAT? Darth Vader: That's my... "candy" room.
i have no life and i am proud dont forget the daughter of one of the conspirators falling in love with the protagonist and feeding him information and eventually watching her father die at the hands of the hero Either turning her into a temporary villain until she falls back in love with him or her being so in love in the first place she doesnt even care Cant forget that trope to all evil conspiracy intrigue plots
i have no life and i am proud What is WRONG WITH YOU? HUH? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF! A love DODECAHEDRON? YOU DISEASED MANIAC! Obviously every great story requires a love Icosahedron.
+Angele Pocock I was here to complain that 'love dodecahedron' doesn't make sense if you aren't already considering love pentagons to be a thing, since dodecahedra are 12 pentagons, 3 to a face ({5, 3}) whereas icosahedra are 20 triangles, 5 to a face ({3, 5}).
The Omniscient Council of Vagueness, necessary to any intrigue Plot. If they contribute little to the story besides filler, then they're just a Not-So-Omniscient Council of Bickering
And a council of the evil side is always set to be spied, so that our hero can discover every little detail of the plot. Or better, in the final point, the master of evil reveals everything with a monolog of false triumph. And murder!!!
Don't forget, the evil conspirators will also need to blurt out information to each other that they should already know, just so the hero hiding in the air vent above can hear them. It makes perfect sense to have the henchman explain what's the objective of his mission to the evil boss who sent him on the mission in the first place!
Gertrud Bondesson Also the hero has to be very loud at some point, like dropping the flashlight or sneezing, so the evil conspirators hear something and investigate in the opposite direction of the sound for a very long time. Then the hero succeed in picking up half of the evil plan put in a folder carefully placed on a desk right under the air vent!
To be fair, unlike with most characters, that's actually plausible to Tzeentch. Because if one side ever truly wins and the struggle ends nothing will change again afterwards. Of all the Gods of Chaos, Tzeentch is literally the God of Chaos. So long as people, somewhere, are being given reasons to scheme against each other, as long as the future is mutable, Tzeentch can, indeed, say everything is moving according to his grand design. ... Which I realize is what the person above just said, but still.
@Thaddeus Genhelm. True. the fun part in 40k chaos politics is the Tzeentch's relationship with nurgle. Where as Nurgle is god of disease and decay representing life itself. Nurgle wants things to die as its the natural order for something to decay and then die. Tzeentch is the exact opposite where he/it encourages his/its followers to cheat death and try to live forever, As Nurgle would want to see the galaxy to die so it could reborn again to complete the cycle of life and death, Tzeentch just wants to keep up the status quo.
The movie Total Recall, of all things, is actually one of the few cases I can think of that sidesteps the "Everything's going according to plan" trope, with the villain admitting that lots of things went wrong and he was actually a little amazed he managed to pull off his complicated plan.
What? Planning ahead? Setting up vague plotpoints in a way that makes sense but leaves room for interpretation to let fans have fun theorizing? Pfft, it sounds like stuff for children cartoons like Steven Universe. We here write adult fiction, and that means something so convoluted even a wisened detective couldn't understand it, that'll show off to the reader how smarter than him we are.
Illuminati Love Triangles are the new genre of story that will sweep the nation. The best part is you don't know who's in love with who or if the protagonists even exist at all.
Haha, yes! But I don't mean just like, an Evil cast. I mean that you don't follow any singular person, the narrator is a reliable narrator, and all the people in it are total assholes, ranging from Lawful to Chaotic. I suppose it'd be like a villain on villain showdown. Like, this person is evil, trying to take over the world, or is an evil dictator, yada yada. So, who do you get to stop it? Well, there's this Superman-esque character- oh wait, he's dead. Nevermind. Guess we'll have to go with the murderous psychopath with ambitions to rule the world instead! The point would be that you actually can't sympathise with those characters. At all. You'd kind of WANT them to be taken down, and would read the book to see whether it would actually happen.
Only problem, protagonist means the person or group of people the story follows, and the antagonist is what clashes with the protagonist. So a story without protagonist and antagonist is a story in which nothing ever happens.
My point is that it's not so much a matter of protagonist and antagonist- there are no 'good' people in it, and the story doesn't just follow the adventures of just one person. Imagine it as a battle of ideologies with an omniscient third person narrator. Then the individual gets to decide who is his/her 'protagonist'.
I really want to make a secret cabal that says "All according plan" but isn't really in control and is just lying to themselves. They aren't defeated in the story, the heroes just realize that this shadowy cabal is simply good at taking credit for the orchestration of everything and can simply be ignored for the most part.
Honestly, I'd like a story where after the bad guy makes their super soldiers, they pass their leader position to one of them, caring more about the plan succeeding than being the one leading it. A creator who willingly lets what they admit is an objectively better being command them. I mean, why bother aiming for objectively better than you in every way you know of and some you don't if you're NOT trying to pass the torch to someone?
Kinda like the Sith worked in Star Wars: they exspected to be killed by their students yet trained them because they cared more about a Sith taking over the galaxy then their life.
I want a story that starts at the secret mass-manipulation chain reveal, and the rest of the story is explaining it, with the hero there to stop them becoming increasingly comfortable there as everybody takes turns explaining the things they have been plotting. They start standing, a couple chapters/episodes later they're sitting down on the ground, next they're lying down, next they start actually making flowcharts to track it all, next a giant chalkboard, then they give up and just listen, eventually they all bond and become friends over this massive reveal chain, and even make jokes about it, and it just keeps going on as the main plotline while the sideplot is the hero and the villains bonding and befriending one another. Then, at the end, it's the hero's own turn. They were the true master of the events. They planned out all of it, because they were all childhood friends who swore to one another they'd rule the world. And the hero faked their dissappearance and lied about their mom and dad being victims of a cover-up plan so they could play hero and give them something to fight off so they wouldn't all backstab eachother until the hero could defuse the chain of manipulation. They all rule the dystopia as friends. No backstabbing. Thoughts, anyone?
SAO (the anime)had the best explanation of the villain’s great plan: “Why did you do it?” “You know, after all these years I don’t even remember...” The most satisfying answer to all the questions the viewers had!
And then the abridged version lampooned the hell out of it. “I was spending 500 hours of uninterrupted consciousness trying to make sure this Bethesda published game was in a playable state, *accidentally* created a glitch that kills people when their avatars die, and then pretended this was some sort of Machiavellian Scheme and not a series of events that went out of control.”
You are aware that there are people who are unaware that Watchman and The Dark Knight Returns are a satire? I would lost faith in humanity if I would have it!
That's actually not that surprising when you think about it. Often times, seeing negative examples can leave a stronger impression than positive ones. For one, we tend to overlook at least some good aspects since they 'pass smoothly', but are quick to get irritated by every single one that's done poorly.
Story idea: An intrigue story where the conspirators plan is going perfectly and the heroes have consistently failed time and time again to stop them, but as the story progresses it steadily becomes more and more apparent that the conspirators have no idea what they are doing, and are surprised they've got this far.
I have a video idea! Background characters! Make sure you make it clear that all the background characters are evil or just useless lumps of clay sitting around and have the personality of a pile of sawdust!
M&M Warriors the bad guys need to habe muscles while the good guys can have one or twomuscle boumd guys however the protagonist needs to be strong even though they have no pstocular skills
"Hey, Palpatine! The fuck did you need that Naboo treaty signed for again?" "To make everybody in the Senate feel sorry for me and elect me Chancellor?" "Wait, I thought you were the Senate?" "Not. Yet." "Okay but why the hell would they even do it? Didn't we spend like three movies describing how utterly corrupt and vile the senators are? Why did they suddenly go all Care Bears on you?" "Let's just say I bought them some candy. And hookers." "Okay but that still doesn't explain..." *"Lots* of hookers." "...Fair enough. But hey, why did Dooku reveal to Obi-Wan that you pulled all the strings?" "You do realize I had to literally spell it out for them that I was the evil Sith Lord three years after they supposedly started investigating this whole thing? I didn't exactly have to worry about this particular bunch." "And why didn't Grievous ever question your leadership? Hell, why did Nute Gunray agree to stick to you even after you kicked him in the ass after Naboo?" "Well, I..." "And you sure got lucky Dooku didn't use his last seconds of life to reveal you to Anakin." "About that..." "Not to mention it's good Anakin was dumb enough to do all your bidding including murdering innocent children even after you explicitly told him you had no fucking clue how to save Padmé." "Tell me..." "Yes?" "...You ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" "Wait, wasn't it about that lootbox drama with EA?"
For movie Plots i find it pretty good. Dooko, i m, opinion, was playing his own cards, ich money, promises and favors and nationalism, you can get suorisingly far.
@@giftzwerg7345 Palpatine is a Force user. A fairly common Force power is mind control. Palpatine is apparently powerful enough to cloud the perception of *the entire Jedi order* to prevent them from sensing him. And he clearly has Valorum's right-hand man in his pocket. So why didn't he just arrange a one on one talk with Valorum and mind trick him into resigning? I know that's only supposed to work on the weak-willed, but if he's able to influence the judgement of an entire order of psychic warrior monks specifically trained to resist such influences *at once,* he can definitely talk one guy into quitting.
@@Talisguy if he did his election would have been more difficult to arrange And Naboo crisis ended up to boos Separatist cause: while the Republic did nothing Naboo people managed to free themselves
Neh. Most conspiracy have even less sense then that. At least conspirators didn't try poison world supply of Doritos in order to reduce population of poor people.
Best story line is to make a super intriguing character that deeply shapes the plot and then ending their story in the most anticlimactic way!!! The reader will definitely not feel cheated or angry at all!!
+Freddy Jones man Naruto would be awesome fodder for this series I mean, the final antagonist literally comes out of nowhere with no build up and just sorta exists to get beaten up but oh wait she's too strong whoops we used her own attack against well so much for that. Let's get back to the REAL meat of the story about this one asshole who we want to come home despite all the murder he has done or attempted to do and the fact he's an irresonsible traitor whoops he's good now. oh and that first big bad who caused lots of trouble and killed people and caused that one asshole to leaves sure let's forgive him too and kinda ignore he's still pretty evil. You know, it's sad when a fanfic that killed Orochimaru off by having him literally laugh himself to death had a far more climatic end for him than the actual manga/anime.
Idea: Classic "it's all according to plan" villain, but they actually secretly have an ability which makes them stronger every time they tell an obvious lie. So whenever something goes wrong they make up convoluted stories nobody will believe for the power-up, even if in reality everything's falling apart.
Idea: a video on ABSOLUTELY AWFUL advice for fight scripts! As a martial artist, there are a ton that make me CRINGE. Some fun cliches: "now is my turn of attack and you defend, then yours, and DO NOT DARE TO ATTACK AND DEFEND AT THE SAME TIME" and the "I got two weapons, let me use only one at a time (two swords? sword and shield? naaah, just one at a time)" and the "The more I telegraph the more difficult the strike is to parry.... because plot?" and the "Do NOT strike an opening hat present itself. You may actually finish the fight!" and the "many opponents? Let me be surrounded instead of trying to align them properly", and "We got an number advantage? Lets attack in one by one!", and of course the wonderful idea of talking between attacks or in the middle of an attack. That will for sure reaaaally help you keep your breath! And how the protagoinst takes hundreds of hits, but the antsgonists just one... and magically drop. So many wonderfully overused stupid (seriously those i mention are STUPID) cliches
Well it is kind of hard to write how attacks are happening simultaneously in a way that flows narratively from my own experience. But playing action/combat-based video games has helped me personally as a writer when it comes to fights. Helps me visualize the flow of combat better.
At some point, if the pileup of gambits gets a bit much, maybe it would be better for the ominous bad guys to say "I have no idea what's happening anymore, but its working; keep doing that". Then again, having the Joker run the conspiracy is probably a bad idea... Or maybe its the best idea.
@Felicity Swan Except they didn't.. Gendo have own goals but his overall plans align with what SEELE planed (yes a resident Illuminati clone). That is why they keep him in power. He simply didn't predict that his son become Emo god on the end. And yes.. it is ridiculous.
Eva is a deconstruction. What happens if you throw an actual child, into a 90 foot tall robot, to a supposed super war? That's what it is. To go in expecting a plot of shonen power fantasy escapism will only set you for disappointment because that's never the intent. The "pretentious themes" you think you saw is their attempt to tackle on the real dark issues that follows such a premise when taken seriously. Because, here's the spoiler, such a scenario played for real ends badly for everyone, and the show reflects it. It's not considered as "one of the best shows of all time" for nothing. But if that's too obnoxious or overrated, set it to the "not for you" category, because it certainly ain't "retarded".
Medley Weaver Talk about pretentious." Oh no, someone doesnt like an animu I like?! Oh they must be retards that cant see the 'genius' in this show that I do". Get over yourself.
I sometimes think the "everything is going according to plan" reflects the reality of the story about as well as me standing in front of a mirror each morning and saying "you're hot af and every chick wants you to bang her". Guess if they repeat a lie a thousand times, it will somehow come true...?
this video reminds me of aizen from bleach. pretty much everything was part of his plan. ichigo won a fight-part of his plan ichigo lost a fight-part of his plan he was betrayed by one of his teamates-part of his plan he was trapped by the leader of the shinigami-part of his plan he failed to defeat ichigo in a fight-part of his plan he was arrested-part of his plan this very comment-part of his plan
You always give me funny ideas that... probably aren't that original, but they seem so to me because I rarely come across something that would use them. For example, twist on the "everything is going according to plan" being repeated until the bad guys fail - imagine bad guys behaving roughly how a player (me, usually, to be more specific =D) does in Crusader Kings 2 - reacting to most events with shocked, confused and nervous "WHAT? Why did they do that? What am I supposed to do now? Oh my, I'm fucked... Dammit... sooo... what if I tried to do this? And just to be sure, simultaneously try another counter-action that runs completely opposite to the first one, because, well, those will probably both fail, but if I'm lucky and only one fails, it won't neutralize the second attempted reaction, so maybe I'll get out of this.", and through a chain of hysterical, frightened, unsure purely reactionary (and explicitly admitted to be such) half-baked not even plans, just reactions, they somehow stumble through the whole plot to the ultimate victory, at which point they will be like "Wait, WHAT? I won? OH WOW, LULZ! I'M SO AMAZING, I'M SO POWERFUL AND SMART, MUHAHAHAHAHAAAA!" ...like the time when I was on the verge of losing a civil war with my own King who was, at the same time, in a war with some other king, which he lost like 2 days after me losing my war with him (and being thrown into prison), at which point the other king dethroned my king, and made ME king of the whole country I was civil warring for, just because of all the vassals I was the one my king hated the most, while at the same time being the one that the foreign king hated the least. 'Twas a beautiful moment: "Oh, fuck, i lost. OH WAIT... Why... what? Why am I suddenly the king of the whole country for which I just lost the war? ooh.... OOOOH. OH WOW!" =D ...at which point my game crashed before i managed to save, and the thing didn't happen again even after numerous re-loads and re-plays of those few months =D
Only difference is, Stalin remained in power not because everyone around him had the thinking capabilities of a cactus and couldn't figure out he was responsbile for people dying left and right but because they actually _knew_ he was and simply didn't want to be next on his hit-list. Speaking of which, I can't believe we have yet to get an actual bigass Hollywood movie devoted to Stalin and his coworkers. Just read the stories from this time-some of the worst scum that has ever walked the earth and yet you still feel sorry for them when they feel like they're about to be axed off and are literally pulling their hair out of their heads trying to get out of Russia. An actual real life Orwell and yet people still obsess over Hitler with whom you were virtually safe as long as you were loyal to him. With Stalin, there was simply no way for you to be 100% secure.
I know you're just using the meme as it fits the theme of this video. But, in case you have seen the source material (Death Note): As convoluted as some of Light's plans were in the anime, legitimately pulling some of the bad advice presented here, I actually loved how his plan worked out when we got to that stupidly over the top scene.
I think Death Note is getting away with it for several reasons: first, because it's supernatural powers on Light's side vs. none on his enemies' side (a ridiculous plan working out isn't so weird if you can literally just write down what people will do prior to dying), but also because it shows that it does NOT always work out, there are tons of instances where Kira thinks he is outsmarting everyone and then it all just crumbles and he is left reeling - and actually even loses in the end.
Someone else in the comment section told me that he's a terrible writer that doesn't deserve to be famous, and you seem to have a similar opinion. Can you please tell me why?
@@milicadiy @Rossel When I read him in high school I just remember all these really excessive metaphors and the plot and characters being haphazardly cobbled around these History Channel type factoids. I still enjoyed it, but not for the writing. But to be honest, all I really remember from it is "the wheels are in motion" and the word "incredulous" being used a lot, so for all I know he could be our generation's Virginia Wolf and I just have a really uncharitable memory.
Seriously though, steven moffat gets by on the hype and promise of further intrigue.....and then it just never pays off, ever, at all And thats why every show hes worked on sucks, yes that means sherlock is bad, that means doctor who was terrible for the seasons he was in charge of (seriously why the fuck did they let him be in charge SO GOD DAMN LONG, its like half of the reboot is terrible because of moffat, you dont let a show be shit for half a damn decade and keep the guy on)
They didn't suck, only the endings sucked. Well, at least for Dr. Who, Sherlock fell apart much quicker with it's 3-episodes-per-season limit. DW had lots of enjoyable episodes each season, just the season finale always fell rather short since Moffat took over, because he never could deliver on the built-up.
4:15 For a minute there a thought it said "Send him after a pasty" and I was so confused. I mean why would the evil organisation want a pasty? I mean, they taste nice but they're not that important? Are they sending him to Cornwall now? And then I realised...
As an addendum: Whenever we cut to the shadowy organization, the conversation between members should always boil down to: "We should do something!" "Should we do something?" "We should do something!" "Should we do something?" Repeat until you feel like you should cut to a part of the story that actually matters. How long is up to you.
_Kyatto Ninden Teyandee_ had a section like that in one of its early episodes, featuring the head villain and his second in command. The English dub _Samurai Pizza Cats_ chose to replace it with a conversation about eyebrows. I'm _not kidding._
_Ahhh, I see where you're going with this!_ This annoying little RUclips persona is getting _a bit too_ popular, it seems. _Just according to our plans! (malicious chuckle)_ Perhaps we should... _do something_ about his shameless self promotion, _hmmmmmm?_
Of course the Evil Secret Conspiracy Overlords® are going to spend a thousand times the resources that they will gain just to fulfill their Evil Secret Conspiracy®. Like Lex Luthor would build a billion dollar machine to rob a bank for a few hundred thousand in the vault. At that, however, they are still brighter than the average Hero On A Revenge Quest®.
This reminds me a bit of Dan Brown's books. They're absolutely convoluted while trying to convey a complex symbology that in the end is just dull and uninspired. I can't fathom how he became famous
5:25 JESUS CHRIST, THAT'S NARUTO!!!!!! and a bunch of other mind games stories. WHY IS THIS VIDEO SO ACCURATE???? THIS IS UNCANNY! Im used to this type of thinking in anime
I think J.J Abrams and the writers watched this video before writing, "The Rise of Skywalker" cuz Ryan Johnson left them with nothing for the final entry in a trilogy, so they turned to youtube for ideas and fan fics....
idea for another to build off: some doomy cult tries to summon a very definitely existing eldritch abomination, and despite the heroes' best efforts, succeeds then nothing happens. either the thing they summoned was incompatible with terrestrial reality, or it's unknowable will sought to completely ignore the cult that brought it fourth (and surrounding societies) and just do nothing.
"Lord Yg'maohk... At last, you will bring forth the-l "PLEASE SHUT UP. YOU ARE ANNOYING. HEY, WHERE'S THE KEURIG? I ALWAYS HAVE A CUP OF JOE IN THE MORNING."
How to reveal the antagonist's plan: give him a friend and have him say "the plan is now (whatever)." The friend dies in the next scene and is given an honorable burial for his services to exposition.
"You're dealing with things that you don't understand agent. Hell I don't even understand what we're dealing with and I'm near the top of the chain of command I think?"
Actually Fringe works just fine as a cohesive narrative, even if it is obvious that it wasn't planned ahead of time. So your assessment is far from fair.
In point of fact, I should say that Fringe was _so good_ about trying to answer every question the audience might have about the plot, that when Season 3 ended with a vast collection of loose plot threads they rebooted the show's _entire multiverse_ and instead of that being *the* _excuse_ to leave those questions unanswered, they used the opportunity to reveal who was responsible, and justified the reset because the person had died in the previous timeline. It's pretty clever.
@futurestoryteller bullshit, Fringe wrote itself into a corner more then once by using this trope as an excuse to not explain anything. By the time they got to the explanations people were already tired of it. There's a reason no one wants Fringe to return. It's the same reason no one wants Lost to return, they both dug their own holes by building up mysteries they had no idea how to solve. If you want to see a show that practiced this trope and yet had a satisfying end go watch the first 4 seasons of Babylon 5. Because JMS knew what he wanted to do and where he wanted the show to go he could use this trope all he wanted and still give us satisfying conclusions when he finally came to answering questions. Fringe, like Alias and The X-Files had (has in the case the X-Files) no idea where it was going, when it came to giving answers it just made use of this trope, poorly I might add - since it needed to give answers and dismantle it's conspiracy du jour more then once by replacing it with another newer, bigger and more mysterious conspiracy then the one that came before.
Kinda, except Crocodile was more "Murdering a baby for witnessing the murder of their father who would've found out about the murder of their wife who knew about me murdering my ex-boyfriend because he was about to reveal our accidental murder of a guy on a bike."
I'd like to add a suggestion. at the end of each video I think you should suggest 2 stories, movies, games, or books. One that absolutely nailed the subject matter and another that some how time traveled to the future watched this video and then went back in time to make sure they did everything in the video directly told them not to do. So for this one, for example, the "did it right" might be a Sherlock Holmes story and the "did it wrong" might be transformer revenge of the fallen.
Do a video on the following. Adventure Sports stories Historical fiction Character development Zombie apocalypse Writing for animated films Superhero comics And stories with political messages
*combine all these elements to save time and expense of producing and editing episodes that only cover the aspects of each one individually...just sayin'*
Some good advice here. Keep your secret plans simple, Keep them in line with a central objective, and don’t use murder as a first resort so as not to attract too much attention.
You know for C. D. and E. that would be a good start for an alternative way to find out about a intrigue plot. Like they might at first thought it was one thing, but later as they look back at that one case it could be there was more to it than meets the eye and want to investigate it more. If it was firing, it would give him motivation to really find out more about the conspiracy because it seems like someone doesn't really want him to get noisy. For A. and B., I think that could be good for a side character or even side villain who could contrast with the hero who is investigating the scheme. For A. it could be a good story about the hero who was in on the intrigue plot, but later realizes how really corrupt and dangerous it is.
I love how the stereotypical antihero guy gets a backstory in this video. It's like all these random background characters who only exist to illustrate points are becoming self aware.
Here, have a like just for bringing him/it up, because I just *love* the concept of Tzeentch as pretty much the ultimate manipulator god, spawned from the very idea that the universe is ever changing, able to see everything that can ever be and screwing around with his enemies and worshippers alike. Beings like Loki and other "Trickster Gods" have wet dreams about being merely half as good schemers as this... thing. On the other hand, it's *really* hard to plausibly defeat an enemy that can see everything that could possibly be. How the heck do you actually beat something like that? No, I'm seriously asking, because I've been playing around with a plot centered around a being like that for *years* and I'm sorta stuck between not wanting to water down the concept of a being able to see every possible future (it's sort of one of the central plot points) and not being able to find a way to justify my heroes actually, plausibly finding a way to defeat it.
Drakespawn85 Because Tzeench is Nyarlethotep. He delights in seeing chaos and the like. The reason the heroes win is because he wants it. Ultimately Tzeench wants constant change in the 40k universe. These small proxy wars mean nothing to him What change could be bigger than the death of a chaos God? Or the writers are just retarded, which is the more likely route.
Being all knowing doesn't counter the fact that you can only do so much with the resources at hand. This will force your all seeing entity to compromise in order to meet key goals and prevent lethal losses. Also being able to see all possible futures allows them to know what might happen but might force them to focus only on the major events as all the little things are too erratic to accurately predict how things will go. They might also be reliant on knowledge of what will happen rather than what is currently happening which could provide some sort of weakness.
The fan consensus is that Tzeench likes the process more than the result. Every other god plays to win, this jerk plays for fun, piling conspiracies and mysteries just for the sake of it and not afraid to lose on purpose if he thinks it will advance his goals in some other area or he will derive a chuckle from this. That, and also the opinion that total victory is actually detrimental to him; he is rooted in ambition, change and hope (as in, "I hope someone will shank that bastard so I can be promoted in his stead"), and after a victory there is nothing for him left to achieve, it ends up in stagnation, domain of his cosmic opposite Nurgle.
I would love to see a story about a person who discovers an ancient conspiracy, but then joins in, to take advantage of its knowlage and power to improve the world, and once in it, he gains power within the conspiracy by using a mix of clever and subtle manipulations inspired by the conspiracys main book, and by acting randomly and unpredictably, throwing the conspiraters off from realising when their own tricks are being used against them.
5:30 "I was manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you all along!" I tried to make a Jojos reference. Dunno if that's even close XD
Is a character stuck in a love triangle with other characters? Murder.
So School Days?
Ninja Dino but actually
Murder the hypotenuse!
Sadly, not.
I mean what do you want? For the main character to actually make a *decision* on who to end up with?
Don't be so stupid, that takes effort and no matter how much effort you put in, you're always going to piss off half your readers, you can't make your readers feel bad. That would make you a terrible human being. So just kill one so the people who supported that ship can comfort themselves with the knowledge that "It would've totally gone my way if person B had lived"
You forgot that you can distract the rookie cop by sending a seductress to force him into a love triangle that will in no way lead to the seductress turning against your secret organization and helping the hero take down the cabal from the inside.
That's why you sholud send a ROBOT seductress, which simply can't turn on you!
Just hope to God the rookie cop isn’t played by Mike Myers
Make sure the seductress is one of the most powerful people in the organization, and that she has an important role in all of the future endeavors so that everything will go wrong the moment she leaves!
Albedo: I am here to do my job
@@josequiles7430 But then the ROBOT seductress DOES turn against the secret organization when she achieves sentience along with their other killdroids who incite a robot rebellion against their slavemasters who conveniently were the same slavemasters that were enslaving humanity, forcing the cop, his wife, and the robot seductress to all work together in the climax and thus intensifying the love triangle!
D- Did the Generic Edgy Antihero just get... a BACKSTORY?!
Of course not, that's way too hard to write! :P
that's why it's more a presentstory taking place at the same time as the main event
Of course he did. It's *always* a dead wife and kids.
BLASPHEMY
Drax was a cop? No way, bro!
You forgot the most important thing: the villain MUST get him self captured on purpose. Without that your evil plan is basically shit.
2:36 basically just cause series
@@sabribeser2268 didn’t quite understand until the final part.
Also the villain is the SEXIST BEST DRESSED MAN EVER.
A disturbing number of jrpgs and anime have villains who laugh when you beat the shit out of them and say it's according to plan. As they reveal a matryoshka doll of true and final forms which are destroyed in swift succession.
Just once I wanna see the hero just kill the villain and when the villain asks, "Ah, but you'll never know my pl-"BANG
Hero "Don't care"
My god I hate the trope of badguys killing people even though it shoots themselves in the foot and is counter productive.
Smart Alec I find it bad if they kill their own minions.
I like the idea that the minions follow the main bad guy because he's nice to them. Like, they literally say to the main hero when he's questioning them about why they would help such a monster, and they go "He's like... a _really_ nice guy. You wouldn't know, you've never talked to him."
The movie Fargo kind of subverts this trope. Bad guy kills a cop and two bystanders for no reason? Bad guy spends the rest of the movie watching his evil plan go down the toilet.
futurestoryteller Yeah, that's actually something that I've ended up using a lot.
I recently read a comic book where the plot led up to a fight between five heroes against three bad guys. Just before the fight, the main evil lady killed her powerful loyal ally for no reason during her villain monologue. Predictably, the villains lost the fight because they were outnumbered.
Such a stupid thing to do. If she planned to kill her ally, why not wait until **after** the fight?
I would totally read a book where all of these things go wrong, everybody yells at the villain for being stupid, and the hero absolutely destroys him, but he keeps on saying "everything is going according to plan" as comic relief.
Well.. search some Young-Adult novels.. and what funnier they would be serious about that.
My favorite terrible novel is "Omni-Magician". It is still being translated. Let's just say everything is terrible in that novel. The characters are so stereotypical, the mean other competitor is a arrogant genius but still vastly inferior then the MC. This competitor has some friends and they have also bad character. And obviously the MC wins everything and his competitors lose in very embarrassing ways. The MC also get all the pretty girls (two, because more would be to complicated) and all the good and skilled craftsmen like the MC and try to get into his favor. His going-to-be wife and not-biological sister is a spoiled brat with money problems (the greedy kind), is very possessive and also a genius. She is a swords woman whereas he is a magician. He also has to hide his ingeniousness in front of his going to be wife and basically everyone. He does that wearing a red armor. He calls himself "iron Swordsman" (iron man _hint, hint_ ).
The only thing keeping me interested is the magic system and the reason that it is so poorly written.
Benrex 777 oh you mean Sword Art Online
I only watched the anime of SAO. I would say if I don't think too much it was watchable and has a few cool scenes. No Omni-Magician is bad, literally bad.
Benrex 777 it was a joke, chill
'just have them say 'everything is according to plan' all the time.'
Who knew the British Government was a badly written intrigue story.
Most British people know it.
No one in Britain likes their government. They never have. It gives them something to complain about. They enjoy that.
There's a plan?
@@anjetto1 so they are just like brazillian folks?
See, this is exactly why the Americans decided to leave and establish our own government...
That has a tendency to say "everything is according to plan." But that is exactly how we planned it.
Now this makes me want to write an intrigue plot about the conspiracy unraveling because of the budget breaking their bank. XD
I mean, there's nothing quite like a good parody story! Good luck in your endeavours!
But... evil organisations allways have infinite budget :"(
I can totally imagine a scenario where an MC survives because the budget on assassination falls through for the year XD
they try to assassinate someone but they only have enough money for a BB gun left
Like Plankton in the second SpongeBob movie.
"I'm sorry sir, but the heroes once again thwarted our plans."
"So they have - which is ALL ACCORDING TO THE PLAN!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
"sir we're homeless and bankrupt and dying of malaria...."
"alll....a-acrdding...to plan..."
"Sir, they called from the bank, they want their money back."
"All according to my student loan repayment plan."
This could actually work if say that each twarted plan ended up creating a diabolus ex machina (say the heroes unknowingly freeing a piece of some key and then the villains clean up and grab the piece , or to thwart each plan all heroes had to face a. Corrupting force
"I think he's in denial of the plan we mapped out for years falling apart in 1 day...."
"Yeah...But I mean can you blame the guy? He did try realllly hard to make this work."
Such complex motives.
So this is the origin of the antihero character. He was a loose cannon cop who learned about the evil conspiracy. I see. By the end of this series, the terrible writing will have created a complete story, beginning with this conspiracy and progressing to a dystopia, post-apocalyptic wasteland, and eventually a fantasy world.
Ah...so the fantasy world is simply his means of coping with the destruction around him until he awakens to realize he had actually been shot in his pursuit of a murderer in reality. In the hospital, he realizes the father the thought he lost was the doctor who fought to save his life, and his comrades were simply the other police officers there at the scene of the incident. All in all, his delusional state helped him reasses his inner longing for an end to corrupted government. Quite the tale indeed...
All according to the plan
Many decades from now, terrible writing advice guy will be on his deathbed, and it is then he will release one last video, his magnum opus that ties together the terrible writing advice universe into one, critically acclaimed masterpiece. The final words he shall utter are “all according to plan”.
Good, good. Terrible Writing Advice has released this video. Excellent.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache Precisely as YOU planned.
All going according to plan
*ominous lightning strike*
Soon... soon we can begin the next fase of our conspirasy
Soon we will be ready to reveal your true identity to the world master. No longer shall you be known as Just Some Guy with a Mustache, but as an *Evil* Guy with a Mustache.
As he villainously twirls his moustache.
We finally got the origin of the anti-hero he uses.
And evidently it only took him 1 year to get much skilled than how he normally was and get even more muscular than before
this must have been his plan all along. :o
YT crash courses and some protein powder can get you a _long_ way.
yarpen26
Yes, but why having him reach that point in a logical way through patience and hard work when you can just give him his powers because he's secretly the chosen one?
I didn't notice that. (I wonder if this will start the conspiracy theorist.?)
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "Yesss, everything is going according to plan..."
Lackey: "But we lost half our men!"
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "Yessss. All meant in the grand design of my perfect scheme..."
Lackey: "...And our forward base along with most of our supplies."
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: "As it was all meant to beeee..."
Lackey: "...And Elite McBadguy was torn in half by..."
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: * stifling angry sobs * ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN!
Both of them exchange awkward looks.
Lackey: "...All according to plan sir."
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: That's right! * sniff * I'm very good at this!
I feel sorry for Lord Snakefangdeathguy.
on the other hand, an egocentric overconfident antagonist that gets so angry when he fails that he ends up digging himself into an even deeper hole might be interesting. So long as it explores the fact that he would be extremely dangerous if not for all the unnecessary monologues and complicated schemes.
Lackey: **leaves**
Lord Snakefangdeathguy: I miss you Elite Mcbadguy * sobs *
:'(
I want a exploration of this: Lord Snakefangdeathguy being one of the high-class underground opperators of criminal bussiness that get recluted by a whitecollar to end their enemy corporation, but it get to out of his hands with how protected the corporation is and, trying to compleate with the job, Lord Snakefangdeathguy slowly loses what it took him years of sacrifices and connections with the right people.
At the end, he's with his newly appointed (at the beggining of the story) Lackey in a scenario like this, the conspiracy is near to be revealed, his men are almost all dead, his connections don't trust him anymore so he can't hire mercenaries to help him, his resources run low every passing second, he's devastated but holds on the memory of his golden times, and as he tells about it to his Lackey he starts to cry.
The door opens, it's the police.
Ugh... I hate this cliche. It makes absolutely no sense. It's like, "Sir! The hero killed everybody at our base and destroyed our biological weapons! We're rendered powerless now!"
Bad guy: "Muahahaha! It's all going according to plan! They fell right into our trap!"
Why the hell would you hinge your plan on your enemy blowing half of your assets and manpower up? That's just plain stupid. Nobody would ever do that. It's not like you needed those or anything, even if you do have a giant deathray-shooting robot. Furthermore, if you had such firepower, why would you sit there fucking around while your enemy blew your stuff up, and then only use your ultimate weapon because of an enemy attack? I find myself literally getting angry at the writers of a movie when they use this cliche.
So I wanted to avoid this cliché by making it the villain actually got caught. But that will make villain weak. Well then I will do that police will think that he got himself arrested because that is part of plan, and THEY WILL ASKING HIM WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PLAN AND VILLAIN WILL JUST TELL THEM THAT HIS PLAN WAS FAILED, BUT THEY WON'T BELIVE HIM😂😂😂. Damn I can make this as satire of that cliché.
You think me dum because you fail to sea the biggerer picture. But you're the dum! 😮
Those weapons were obsolete! My giant death ray is state of the art. Advanced and loaded with all the latest bells and whistles. 🤓
Loads of ram! App support! The latest graphics card. Dolby Atmos! And it's capable of generating 1.21 gigawatts if electricity every second per second hourly! You fool! You played right into my hands! 🎉
Everything went according to plan! 🥷
-Organization and careful planning-
LETS JUST ADD AN OUTRAGEOUS PLOT TWIST!
*_10/10 IGN_*
And a Love Triangle.
And more plucky teenagers!
*Shyamalan busts in
Wat a twiiist.
then how do you explain forza 7's 9.2/10? (for those of you who don't know forza 7 has been getting more than it's fair share of complaints being arguably worse than the last installment in the series).
Roxas is a trash character
*0/10 IGN*
Ha! You've fallen into my trap of making this video. You were expecting an elaborate plan that would make no sense at all, But it was me!
Dio!
NANI!?!
IS THAT A
*M O T H E R H U M P I N G*
*J O J O*
*R E F E R E N C E*
*M A T E?*
KANEDAAAAA!!
I thank you for making that jojoke.
Pyroskies i watched an Anime (Helsinki Ultimaten OVA) SPOILER ALERT there are the "Evil" until the end Saying evrything is gong like i planend it and he was reealy was correct but in the end The "good" own just make evrything "wel"l again please just watch it it is really wel (out of the some cringe moments but you can survive it and it was one of the only Series wäre i thought is Tag Major reealy Bad or is he a good guy using Bad techniques
"Why's he taking this so personally? All you did was kill his parents." XD
Cameron Griffinthorn I'M BATMAAAAAAAAN! I'M YOUR WORST NIGHTMAAAARE!
artix548 I hate Batman.
Cameron Griffinthorn okay.
"Yes, yes, I killed your father. What is with you women anyway? I killed my father too, and you don't hear me whining about it."
+Jackson Bowns the day M.Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life...but for me it was just a Thursday.
Writing is hard.
Sultan Damn right...at least, good writing is.
It totally is. :P
Every writer has trouble writing.
can confirm. On my third rewrite of the plot of my story
: ^)
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man i really want to see a crossover with this and overly sarcastic productions
Upvote for that with red.
overly terrible production advice!
Dude yes
I mean hey, it's not like TWA directly lead me to OSP or like I get some of their videos mixed up occasionally.
Unfortunately, OSP already wasted the love triangle episode.
Now I wanna see a story where the evil conspiracy fell apart cause one guy was padding the budget to blow on sex tourism and candy.
Darth Sidious: Excellent! Send the prisoners to room 2B.
Darth Vader: Uh... we cannot send the prisoners there, Master.
Darth Sidious: Why not?
Darth Vader: That's my candy room.
Darth Sidious: You really need to cut back, my apprentice.
Darth Vader: I know.
Darth Sidious: Very well. Send the prisoners to room 2C.
Darth Vader: Uh...
Darth Sidious: WHAT?
Darth Vader: That's my... "candy" room.
The only thing this is missing is a love dodecahedron between all the secret organization members and the main protagonist.
i have no life and i am proud dont forget the daughter of one of the conspirators falling in love with the protagonist and feeding him information and eventually watching her father die at the hands of the hero
Either turning her into a temporary villain until she falls back in love with him or her being so in love in the first place she doesnt even care
Cant forget that trope to all evil conspiracy intrigue plots
i have no life and i am proud What is WRONG WITH YOU? HUH? YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF! A love DODECAHEDRON? YOU DISEASED MANIAC!
Obviously every great story requires a love Icosahedron.
+Angele Pocock I was here to complain that 'love dodecahedron' doesn't make sense if you aren't already considering love pentagons to be a thing, since dodecahedra are 12 pentagons, 3 to a face ({5, 3}) whereas icosahedra are 20 triangles, 5 to a face ({3, 5}).
That sounds like a hilarious harem anime plot
The Omniscient Council of Vagueness, necessary to any intrigue Plot.
If they contribute little to the story besides filler, then they're just a Not-So-Omniscient Council of Bickering
Hi, fellow Troper!
Ah, fellow Tropers!
Robert Ciamei the best way to avoid the omniscient council of vagueness is to just not write them.
Robert Ciamei Sooo is this the TV-Tropes-thread? I'm in! I can't wait to put a LampshadeHanging on ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin!
Tropers assemble!
And a council of the evil side is always set to be spied, so that our hero can discover every little detail of the plot. Or better, in the final point, the master of evil reveals everything with a monolog of false triumph.
And murder!!!
Erómeon need plot twist at the end to have Material for sequell
Don't forget, the evil conspirators will also need to blurt out information to each other that they should already know, just so the hero hiding in the air vent above can hear them. It makes perfect sense to have the henchman explain what's the objective of his mission to the evil boss who sent him on the mission in the first place!
Gertrud Bondesson Also the hero has to be very loud at some point, like dropping the flashlight or sneezing, so the evil conspirators hear something and investigate in the opposite direction of the sound for a very long time. Then the hero succeed in picking up half of the evil plan put in a folder carefully placed on a desk right under the air vent!
Erómeon espanol
Vicente fernandes
"Just have them say 'It's all according to plan!' every time!"
Huh. That's literally Tzeentch in a nutshell.
To be fair, unlike with most characters, that's actually plausible to Tzeentch. Because if one side ever truly wins and the struggle ends nothing will change again afterwards. Of all the Gods of Chaos, Tzeentch is literally the God of Chaos. So long as people, somewhere, are being given reasons to scheme against each other, as long as the future is mutable, Tzeentch can, indeed, say everything is moving according to his grand design.
... Which I realize is what the person above just said, but still.
@Thaddeus Genhelm. True. the fun part in 40k chaos politics is the Tzeentch's relationship with nurgle. Where as Nurgle is god of disease and decay representing life itself. Nurgle wants things to die as its the natural order for something to decay and then die. Tzeentch is the exact opposite where he/it encourages his/its followers to cheat death and try to live forever, As Nurgle would want to see the galaxy to die so it could reborn again to complete the cycle of life and death, Tzeentch just wants to keep up the status quo.
PRAISE TZEENTCH
ssethtzeentch?
Except Tzeentch actually succeeds: because his goal is to keep the wheel of plot twists turning
The movie Total Recall, of all things, is actually one of the few cases I can think of that sidesteps the "Everything's going according to plan" trope, with the villain admitting that lots of things went wrong and he was actually a little amazed he managed to pull off his complicated plan.
Which one? there's one from 1990 and one from 2012?
@@dhararry7929 The 1990 version
That's going to be my Sith name. Darth McStabbyPants.
Mine will be Doomface McFuckBlade
And I shall be Deathbringer McBloodSplatter
I'm just going to keep the more sophisticated "Senora Stabby".
Darth puppy
Mine will be Darth PuppyKicker
What? Planning ahead? Setting up vague plotpoints in a way that makes sense but leaves room for interpretation to let fans have fun theorizing? Pfft, it sounds like stuff for children cartoons like Steven Universe. We here write adult fiction, and that means something so convoluted even a wisened detective couldn't understand it, that'll show off to the reader how smarter than him we are.
This was:
Monika's Writing Advice
Shouldn't you be screwing with my game files or something?
@Abdul jamal shariq lequif rahman the beeg deek the 3rd Uhhhh
Steven Universe is hot garbage tho.
Illuminati Love Triangles are the new genre of story that will sweep the nation. The best part is you don't know who's in love with who or if the protagonists even exist at all.
New idea; a story without a protagonist! Everyone is an antagonist. There are no good guys. The End.
Haha, yes! But I don't mean just like, an Evil cast. I mean that you don't follow any singular person, the narrator is a reliable narrator, and all the people in it are total assholes, ranging from Lawful to Chaotic.
I suppose it'd be like a villain on villain showdown. Like, this person is evil, trying to take over the world, or is an evil dictator, yada yada. So, who do you get to stop it? Well, there's this Superman-esque character- oh wait, he's dead. Nevermind. Guess we'll have to go with the murderous psychopath with ambitions to rule the world instead!
The point would be that you actually can't sympathise with those characters. At all. You'd kind of WANT them to be taken down, and would read the book to see whether it would actually happen.
Only problem, protagonist means the person or group of people the story follows, and the antagonist is what clashes with the protagonist. So a story without protagonist and antagonist is a story in which nothing ever happens.
My point is that it's not so much a matter of protagonist and antagonist- there are no 'good' people in it, and the story doesn't just follow the adventures of just one person.
Imagine it as a battle of ideologies with an omniscient third person narrator. Then the individual gets to decide who is his/her 'protagonist'.
Pretty much any tarentino story has bad guys against worser guys.
I really want to make a secret cabal that says "All according plan" but isn't really in control and is just lying to themselves. They aren't defeated in the story, the heroes just realize that this shadowy cabal is simply good at taking credit for the orchestration of everything and can simply be ignored for the most part.
Honestly, I'd like a story where after the bad guy makes their super soldiers, they pass their leader position to one of them, caring more about the plan succeeding than being the one leading it. A creator who willingly lets what they admit is an objectively better being command them. I mean, why bother aiming for objectively better than you in every way you know of and some you don't if you're NOT trying to pass the torch to someone?
RUclips University you'd like daleks
Kinda like the Sith worked in Star Wars: they exspected to be killed by their students yet trained them because they cared more about a Sith taking over the galaxy then their life.
Un-broken and victorious oh, kelthuzad
Extra twist: evil overlord hands the whole organisation to the most talented super soldier and simply retires.
So basicaly the daleks,right?
I want a story that starts at the secret mass-manipulation chain reveal, and the rest of the story is explaining it, with the hero there to stop them becoming increasingly comfortable there as everybody takes turns explaining the things they have been plotting. They start standing, a couple chapters/episodes later they're sitting down on the ground, next they're lying down, next they start actually making flowcharts to track it all, next a giant chalkboard, then they give up and just listen, eventually they all bond and become friends over this massive reveal chain, and even make jokes about it, and it just keeps going on as the main plotline while the sideplot is the hero and the villains bonding and befriending one another. Then, at the end, it's the hero's own turn. They were the true master of the events. They planned out all of it, because they were all childhood friends who swore to one another they'd rule the world. And the hero faked their dissappearance and lied about their mom and dad being victims of a cover-up plan so they could play hero and give them something to fight off so they wouldn't all backstab eachother until the hero could defuse the chain of manipulation. They all rule the dystopia as friends. No backstabbing. Thoughts, anyone?
I was thinking they start out planning to backstab one another, but become friends through their stories of how they planned to backstab each other.
sounds like the nice version of 20th Century Boys (which i highly recommend) i think im going to steal your idea for a contests some months from here
If you got questions about it, feel free to ask. I'm not always clear, so I am willing to clarify a bit.
Needs more love triangle.
Can we PLEASE make this a real thing? I'd pay $97 per book if we could make this a real book! 😂
SAO (the anime)had the best explanation of the villain’s great plan:
“Why did you do it?”
“You know, after all these years I don’t even remember...”
The most satisfying answer to all the questions the viewers had!
And then the abridged version lampooned the hell out of it.
“I was spending 500 hours of uninterrupted consciousness trying to make sure this Bethesda published game was in a playable state, *accidentally* created a glitch that kills people when their avatars die, and then pretended this was some sort of Machiavellian Scheme and not a series of events that went out of control.”
Even saying "It was all a social experiment" would've been more satisfying.
I always look forward to these. So ironically helpful.
SmileyFreak Like anyone's crazy to take the advice in a non-ironic sense...
Right?
People...taking advice?! That's crazy, I've never seen that in the wild!
You are aware that there are people who are unaware that Watchman and The Dark Knight Returns are a satire? I would lost faith in humanity if I would have it!
You planning a conspiracy or somethin?
That's actually not that surprising when you think about it.
Often times, seeing negative examples can leave a stronger impression than positive ones.
For one, we tend to overlook at least some good aspects since they 'pass smoothly', but are quick to get irritated by every single one that's done poorly.
Please make a one of "How an author should take Fan Fiction"
Ignore it and hope it goes away. Just like all your other problems!
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And then make one on writing fanfiction
Lol I’ve never written a fanfic so this should be great!
Story idea: An intrigue story where the conspirators plan is going perfectly and the heroes have consistently failed time and time again to stop them, but as the story progresses it steadily becomes more and more apparent that the conspirators have no idea what they are doing, and are surprised they've got this far.
Ah yes, me in CK2
Great! Now I can rule the world with my *-horrible-** amazing* books!
I have a video idea! Background characters! Make sure you make it clear that all the background characters are evil or just useless lumps of clay sitting around and have the personality of a pile of sawdust!
M&M Warriors the bad guys need to habe muscles while the good guys can have one or twomuscle boumd guys however the protagonist needs to be strong even though they have no pstocular skills
Well worded.
no problem
"Hey, Palpatine! The fuck did you need that Naboo treaty signed for again?"
"To make everybody in the Senate feel sorry for me and elect me Chancellor?"
"Wait, I thought you were the Senate?"
"Not. Yet."
"Okay but why the hell would they even do it? Didn't we spend like three movies describing how utterly corrupt and vile the senators are? Why did they suddenly go all Care Bears on you?"
"Let's just say I bought them some candy. And hookers."
"Okay but that still doesn't explain..."
*"Lots* of hookers."
"...Fair enough. But hey, why did Dooku reveal to Obi-Wan that you pulled all the strings?"
"You do realize I had to literally spell it out for them that I was the evil Sith Lord three years after they supposedly started investigating this whole thing? I didn't exactly have to worry about this particular bunch."
"And why didn't Grievous ever question your leadership? Hell, why did Nute Gunray agree to stick to you even after you kicked him in the ass after Naboo?"
"Well, I..."
"And you sure got lucky Dooku didn't use his last seconds of life to reveal you to Anakin."
"About that..."
"Not to mention it's good Anakin was dumb enough to do all your bidding including murdering innocent children even after you explicitly told him you had no fucking clue how to save Padmé."
"Tell me..."
"Yes?"
"...You ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"
"Wait, wasn't it about that lootbox drama with EA?"
"Um..Um. UNLIMITED PPPPOOOOOWWWWWEEEEERRRRR!!!!"
For movie Plots i find it pretty good.
Dooko, i m, opinion, was playing his own cards, ich money, promises and favors and nationalism, you can get suorisingly far.
@@giftzwerg7345 Palpatine is a Force user. A fairly common Force power is mind control. Palpatine is apparently powerful enough to cloud the perception of *the entire Jedi order* to prevent them from sensing him. And he clearly has Valorum's right-hand man in his pocket. So why didn't he just arrange a one on one talk with Valorum and mind trick him into resigning? I know that's only supposed to work on the weak-willed, but if he's able to influence the judgement of an entire order of psychic warrior monks specifically trained to resist such influences *at once,* he can definitely talk one guy into quitting.
That end line killed me
@@Talisguy if he did his election would have been more difficult to arrange
And Naboo crisis ended up to boos Separatist cause: while the Republic did nothing Naboo people managed to free themselves
I would honestly like to see a satirical book, movie, tv show, video game, etc. that follows these videos literally for comedic purposes
5:25 = the final battle in Naruto....
So many damn "I was manipulating you!!!" reveals, I was waiting for more, even at the end
The sad thing is, plenty of conspiracy theorists think this video describes the real world.
Murder!
Neh. Most conspiracy have even less sense then that. At least conspirators didn't try poison world supply of Doritos in order to reduce population of poor people.
Just as planned
Timothy McLean Now that is what a Jew would say
So true.
I guess Harvest from DC comics took this video at face value.
i really hate that character and what they done to superboy
Is that an ATFW fan, I see.
Kaiso25Aeon has he even mentioned him
I was thinking about Linkara's review all video.
Of Course!
Best story line is to make a super intriguing character that deeply shapes the plot and then ending their story in the most anticlimactic way!!!
The reader will definitely not feel cheated or angry at all!!
Madara...
Fingers crossed that doesn't happen with Berserk when it finally ends some twenty odd years from now.
+Freddy Jones man Naruto would be awesome fodder for this series
I mean, the final antagonist literally comes out of nowhere with no build up and just sorta exists to get beaten up but oh wait she's too strong whoops we used her own attack against well so much for that. Let's get back to the REAL meat of the story about this one asshole who we want to come home despite all the murder he has done or attempted to do and the fact he's an irresonsible traitor whoops he's good now.
oh and that first big bad who caused lots of trouble and killed people and caused that one asshole to leaves sure let's forgive him too and kinda ignore he's still pretty evil.
You know, it's sad when a fanfic that killed Orochimaru off by having him literally laugh himself to death had a far more climatic end for him than the actual manga/anime.
Detective Conan should end with Conan falling over and hitting his head on a rock.
You heard that, Rian Johnson?
*Did you fucking hear that?!*
Idea:
Classic "it's all according to plan" villain, but they actually secretly have an ability which makes them stronger every time they tell an obvious lie. So whenever something goes wrong they make up convoluted stories nobody will believe for the power-up, even if in reality everything's falling apart.
If you like JP you will either love OR hate Krimson ROgue, Reedsy
and Hbombverguy.
Take this Recommendation or FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.
Idea: a video on ABSOLUTELY AWFUL advice for fight scripts! As a martial artist, there are a ton that make me CRINGE. Some fun cliches: "now is my turn of attack and you defend, then yours, and DO NOT DARE TO ATTACK AND DEFEND AT THE SAME TIME" and the "I got two weapons, let me use only one at a time (two swords? sword and shield? naaah, just one at a time)" and the "The more I telegraph the more difficult the strike is to parry.... because plot?" and the "Do NOT strike an opening hat present itself. You may actually finish the fight!" and the "many opponents? Let me be surrounded instead of trying to align them properly", and "We got an number advantage? Lets attack in one by one!", and of course the wonderful idea of talking between attacks or in the middle of an attack. That will for sure reaaaally help you keep your breath! And how the protagoinst takes hundreds of hits, but the antsgonists just one... and magically drop. So many wonderfully overused stupid (seriously those i mention are STUPID) cliches
Well it is kind of hard to write how attacks are happening simultaneously in a way that flows narratively from my own experience. But playing action/combat-based video games has helped me personally as a writer when it comes to fights. Helps me visualize the flow of combat better.
At some point, if the pileup of gambits gets a bit much, maybe it would be better for the ominous bad guys to say "I have no idea what's happening anymore, but its working; keep doing that".
Then again, having the Joker run the conspiracy is probably a bad idea... Or maybe its the best idea.
"I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOOOOUUUUT!"
Having a story abouth conspiracy so complex not even the conspirators know whats happening anymore could be good idea tho
Points to Neon Genesis Evangelion for making the parents part of the conspiracy/double crossers of conspiracy in the end.
@Felicity Swan
Except they didn't.. Gendo have own goals but his overall plans align with what SEELE planed (yes a resident Illuminati clone). That is why they keep him in power. He simply didn't predict that his son become Emo god on the end. And yes.. it is ridiculous.
Love Hexagon if you count Mari
Eva is a deconstruction. What happens if you throw an actual child, into a 90 foot tall robot, to a supposed super war? That's what it is. To go in expecting a plot of shonen power fantasy escapism will only set you for disappointment because that's never the intent. The "pretentious themes" you think you saw is their attempt to tackle on the real dark issues that follows such a premise when taken seriously. Because, here's the spoiler, such a scenario played for real ends badly for everyone, and the show reflects it. It's not considered as "one of the best shows of all time" for nothing. But if that's too obnoxious or overrated, set it to the "not for you" category, because it certainly ain't "retarded".
Evangelion is a good example of someone following Terrible Writing Advice and making a great thing out of that.
Medley Weaver
Talk about pretentious." Oh no, someone doesnt like an animu I like?! Oh they must be retards that cant see the 'genius' in this show that I do". Get over yourself.
Even if it’s not going according to plan, it’s still going according to plan...
I sometimes think the "everything is going according to plan" reflects the reality of the story about as well as me standing in front of a mirror each morning and saying "you're hot af and every chick wants you to bang her".
Guess if they repeat a lie a thousand times, it will somehow come true...?
*plots, within plots...plans within plans*
this video reminds me of aizen from bleach.
pretty much everything was part of his plan.
ichigo won a fight-part of his plan
ichigo lost a fight-part of his plan
he was betrayed by one of his teamates-part of his plan
he was trapped by the leader of the shinigami-part of his plan
he failed to defeat ichigo in a fight-part of his plan
he was arrested-part of his plan
this very comment-part of his plan
My reply - another part of the plan.
He was so OP he didn’t need a coherent plan
You always give me funny ideas that... probably aren't that original, but they seem so to me because I rarely come across something that would use them.
For example, twist on the "everything is going according to plan" being repeated until the bad guys fail - imagine bad guys behaving roughly how a player (me, usually, to be more specific =D) does in Crusader Kings 2 - reacting to most events with shocked, confused and nervous "WHAT? Why did they do that? What am I supposed to do now? Oh my, I'm fucked... Dammit... sooo... what if I tried to do this? And just to be sure, simultaneously try another counter-action that runs completely opposite to the first one, because, well, those will probably both fail, but if I'm lucky and only one fails, it won't neutralize the second attempted reaction, so maybe I'll get out of this.", and through a chain of hysterical, frightened, unsure purely reactionary (and explicitly admitted to be such) half-baked not even plans, just reactions, they somehow stumble through the whole plot to the ultimate victory, at which point they will be like "Wait, WHAT? I won? OH WOW, LULZ! I'M SO AMAZING, I'M SO POWERFUL AND SMART, MUHAHAHAHAHAAAA!"
...like the time when I was on the verge of losing a civil war with my own King who was, at the same time, in a war with some other king, which he lost like 2 days after me losing my war with him (and being thrown into prison), at which point the other king dethroned my king, and made ME king of the whole country I was civil warring for, just because of all the vassals I was the one my king hated the most, while at the same time being the one that the foreign king hated the least.
'Twas a beautiful moment: "Oh, fuck, i lost. OH WAIT... Why... what? Why am I suddenly the king of the whole country for which I just lost the war? ooh.... OOOOH. OH WOW!" =D
...at which point my game crashed before i managed to save, and the thing didn't happen again even after numerous re-loads and re-plays of those few months =D
Wait, does the while "utilize murder to solve your problems" concept work in real life too? Unclear.
Madison Stone definitely without question it will work :D
/s
Based on historical data? Not very well. Ask Comrade Stalin, he was the closest to success on that.
Sorain1 Stalin was pretty successful and had a pretty long reign
but he had high war casualties because he killed a lot of his ranking officers to put inept guys he could control.
Only difference is, Stalin remained in power not because everyone around him had the thinking capabilities of a cactus and couldn't figure out he was responsbile for people dying left and right but because they actually _knew_ he was and simply didn't want to be next on his hit-list.
Speaking of which, I can't believe we have yet to get an actual bigass Hollywood movie devoted to Stalin and his coworkers. Just read the stories from this time-some of the worst scum that has ever walked the earth and yet you still feel sorry for them when they feel like they're about to be axed off and are literally pulling their hair out of their heads trying to get out of Russia. An actual real life Orwell and yet people still obsess over Hitler with whom you were virtually safe as long as you were loyal to him. With Stalin, there was simply no way for you to be 100% secure.
All according to keikaku
Note: 'Keikaku' means 'plan' in Japanese.
I know you're just using the meme as it fits the theme of this video.
But, in case you have seen the source material (Death Note):
As convoluted as some of Light's plans were in the anime, legitimately pulling some of the bad advice presented here, I actually loved how his plan worked out when we got to that stupidly over the top scene.
LinkEX I have seen Death Note.
TL: Plan means keikaku in English
I think Death Note is getting away with it for several reasons: first, because it's supernatural powers on Light's side vs. none on his enemies' side (a ridiculous plan working out isn't so weird if you can literally just write down what people will do prior to dying), but also because it shows that it does NOT always work out, there are tons of instances where Kira thinks he is outsmarting everyone and then it all just crumbles and he is left reeling - and actually even loses in the end.
And remember:
In "Everything is going according to plan", "plan" really means "keikaku".
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I'll walk myself out.
The trilingual leader of the conspirators: "Toda esta madre va according to keikaku, papus."
Your intro was missing "the wheels are in motion", the phrase that comprises 60% of Dan Brown's writing.
Someone else in the comment section told me that he's a terrible writer that doesn't deserve to be famous, and you seem to have a similar opinion. Can you please tell me why?
I don’t even know who he is, but I so wanna hear the tea
@@0rbeez Same here.
@@milicadiy @Rossel When I read him in high school I just remember all these really excessive metaphors and the plot and characters being haphazardly cobbled around these History Channel type factoids.
I still enjoyed it, but not for the writing. But to be honest, all I really remember from it is "the wheels are in motion" and the word "incredulous" being used a lot, so for all I know he could be our generation's Virginia Wolf and I just have a really uncharitable memory.
@@angledcoathanger Thanks for the information. Goodbye.
Imagine if someone decided to write a book where they decided to ironically take TWA seriously but, the book turns out to be amazing
I was literally just watching one of your other videos and wondering when you’d upload
Steven Moffat likes this video.
I expect you know this from the strange markings on his phone?
Seriously though, steven moffat gets by on the hype and promise of further intrigue.....and then it just never pays off, ever, at all
And thats why every show hes worked on sucks, yes that means sherlock is bad, that means doctor who was terrible for the seasons he was in charge of (seriously why the fuck did they let him be in charge SO GOD DAMN LONG, its like half of the reboot is terrible because of moffat, you dont let a show be shit for half a damn decade and keep the guy on)
charl X Yup, I enjoyed the "Sherlock: Why It Sucks" video too. :)
yarpen26 don't call it a reboot
They didn't suck, only the endings sucked. Well, at least for Dr. Who, Sherlock fell apart much quicker with it's 3-episodes-per-season limit. DW had lots of enjoyable episodes each season, just the season finale always fell rather short since Moffat took over, because he never could deliver on the built-up.
4:15
For a minute there a thought it said "Send him after a pasty" and I was so confused. I mean why would the evil organisation want a pasty? I mean, they taste nice but they're not that important? Are they sending him to Cornwall now? And then I realised...
Yes... yeeeees! Soon we will control the worlds flow of pastries and other baked goods and will be one step closer to total world culinary domination!
I wish Hollywood script writers would watch this channel.
Maybe they do but don't understand irony or sarcasm.
Conspiracy: *murders everyone*
Comic relief character: Z A P P E R S
I only just now realized you have a Southern accent.
Ishan Shah Holy crap you're right
Ishan Shah that's probably the best part of this whole channel
Ishan Shah me too 😂😂😂
... I feel stupid that I didn’t realize this sooner.
Seriously, _how_ do you people even detect it? Basically unless it's RP vs. NYC English, I can never tell which accent is which.
"Why not learn a new skill?"
*MURDER!*
This channel is a gift from God.
Ishan Shah Amen hallelujah!
Praise Kek!
Ishan Shah Or a gift from the Freemasons...or the Illuminati...or whatever bullshit ancient org actually rules the world. Plot twist!
_אלנָתַן_
I don't think skill share could help me increase my sarcasm skill as much as watching Terrible Writing Advice
2:34 that's almost the exact plan of Zimo in Captain America: Civil War, he just adds a few extra steps to make it even more ridiculously elaborate
The crazy thing is that it nearly worked
Someone commenting first on a video........MURDER!
If the first comment is a comment boasting about it, I wouldn't blame the murderer.
As an addendum: Whenever we cut to the shadowy organization, the conversation between members should always boil
down to: "We should do something!" "Should we do something?" "We should do something!" "Should we do something?"
Repeat until you feel like you should cut to a part of the story that actually matters. How long is up to you.
_Kyatto Ninden Teyandee_ had a section like that in one of its early episodes, featuring the head villain and his second in command. The English dub _Samurai Pizza Cats_ chose to replace it with a conversation about eyebrows. I'm _not kidding._
Btw, love your Profile Pic! Troll Wario ftw!
Yeah yeah!
God that was the most fun dub in the history of ever. They destroyed lulls like it was going out of style.
_Ahhh, I see where you're going with this!_
This annoying little RUclips persona is getting _a bit too_ popular, it seems. _Just according to our plans! (malicious chuckle)_ Perhaps we should... _do something_ about his shameless self promotion, _hmmmmmm?_
Please never stop making these videos.
“Now that they know our plan, they will plan around our plan. So now we can plan around them planning around our plan!”
Minions outlive their usefulness? Murder.
Bystanders witness any murder? Murder.
Hotel? Mur-I mean, Trivago.
Of course the Evil Secret Conspiracy Overlords® are going to spend a thousand times the resources that they will gain just to fulfill their Evil Secret Conspiracy®. Like Lex Luthor would build a billion dollar machine to rob a bank for a few hundred thousand in the vault.
At that, however, they are still brighter than the average Hero On A Revenge Quest®.
Because long-term motivated hatred TOTALLY doesn't lead to debilitating emotional, social, and physical self-damage
But Lex did learn from his mistakes and started stealing cakes. Forty of them to be precise.
But sir, rich supervillains building multi billion dollar machines just to be assholes for no reason is fun!
The
Evil
Secret
Conspiracy
Overlords
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Dear God...
My addiction to these is getting unhealthy. *I like it.* 💀👍
Writing Horror everything is going exactly to plan
This reminds me a bit of Dan Brown's books. They're absolutely convoluted while trying to convey a complex symbology that in the end is just dull and uninspired. I can't fathom how he became famous
Sounds like Kingdom Hearts.
5:25 JESUS CHRIST, THAT'S NARUTO!!!!!! and a bunch of other mind games stories. WHY IS THIS VIDEO SO ACCURATE???? THIS IS UNCANNY! Im used to this type of thinking in anime
I think J.J Abrams and the writers watched this video before writing, "The Rise of Skywalker" cuz Ryan Johnson left them with nothing for the final entry in a trilogy, so they turned to youtube for ideas and fan fics....
idea for another to build off:
some doomy cult tries to summon a very definitely existing eldritch abomination, and despite the heroes' best efforts, succeeds
then nothing happens.
either the thing they summoned was incompatible with terrestrial reality, or it's unknowable will sought to completely ignore the cult that brought it fourth (and surrounding societies) and just do nothing.
"Lord Yg'maohk... At last, you will bring forth the-l
"PLEASE SHUT UP. YOU ARE ANNOYING. HEY, WHERE'S THE KEURIG? I ALWAYS HAVE A CUP OF JOE IN THE MORNING."
How to reveal the antagonist's plan: give him a friend and have him say "the plan is now (whatever)." The friend dies in the next scene and is given an honorable burial for his services to exposition.
Now i'm imagining conspirators making flowcharts just to keep up with their own convoluted conspiracy and backstabbing.
I admit, I’m guilty of having this kind of plot when I’m just 12 years old.
I draw comics with crayons
6:10 is that a.....
*LOVE TRAINGLE*
Yes it probably is vriska
@@chip-lol 💀💀💀💀
I’m still waiting on a video about love triangles
What about murder triangles?
Mason Maybe he's saving that one for Valentine's day
Alex D
That would be a good one.
Alias, Fringe and The X-Files called, they said they want their plot back, especially The X-Files, they're still using it.
"You're dealing with things that you don't understand agent. Hell I don't even understand what we're dealing with and I'm near the top of the chain of command I think?"
Actually Fringe works just fine as a cohesive narrative, even if it is obvious that it wasn't planned ahead of time. So your assessment is far from fair.
In point of fact, I should say that Fringe was _so good_ about trying to answer every question the audience might have about the plot, that when Season 3 ended with a vast collection of loose plot threads they rebooted the show's _entire multiverse_ and instead of that being *the* _excuse_ to leave those questions unanswered, they used the opportunity to reveal who was responsible, and justified the reset because the person had died in the previous timeline. It's pretty clever.
@futurestoryteller bullshit, Fringe wrote itself into a corner more then once by using this trope as an excuse to not explain anything. By the time they got to the explanations people were already tired of it. There's a reason no one wants Fringe to return. It's the same reason no one wants Lost to return, they both dug their own holes by building up mysteries they had no idea how to solve.
If you want to see a show that practiced this trope and yet had a satisfying end go watch the first 4 seasons of Babylon 5. Because JMS knew what he wanted to do and where he wanted the show to go he could use this trope all he wanted and still give us satisfying conclusions when he finally came to answering questions.
Fringe, like Alias and The X-Files had (has in the case the X-Files) no idea where it was going, when it came to giving answers it just made use of this trope, poorly I might add - since it needed to give answers and dismantle it's conspiracy du jour more then once by replacing it with another newer, bigger and more mysterious conspiracy then the one that came before.
...There is no "trope" you didn't say anything...
4:35 Is this he plot of Black Mirror: Crocodile?
Kinda, except Crocodile was more "Murdering a baby for witnessing the murder of their father who would've found out about the murder of their wife who knew about me murdering my ex-boyfriend because he was about to reveal our accidental murder of a guy on a bike."
If the readers say your villains are unbelievably stupid and give your work bad reviews, just destroy their entire planet.
Having read Second Foundation, it's kind of amazing to think somebody made one of those ancient conspiracies
1: Work
2: Make sense
3: Be the good guys
That “it was all according to plan” thing is literally the entirety of Star Wars Rebels
More like the entirety of TCW.
Bleeding Eye Watcher did you even watch clone wars?
@@Ultimaton100 talk about a hot take.
Plug Shirt I did. It was predictable to the extreme.
Bleeding Eye Watcher yeah clone wars is bad but rebels has this specific problem much more than tcw. But I do think rebels is better
I'd like to add a suggestion. at the end of each video I think you should suggest 2 stories, movies, games, or books. One that absolutely nailed the subject matter and another that some how time traveled to the future watched this video and then went back in time to make sure they did everything in the video directly told them not to do.
So for this one, for example, the "did it right" might be a Sherlock Holmes story and the "did it wrong" might be transformer revenge of the fallen.
Do a video on the following.
Adventure
Sports stories
Historical fiction
Character development
Zombie apocalypse
Writing for animated films
Superhero comics
And stories with political messages
*combine all these elements to save time and expense of producing and editing episodes that only cover the aspects of each one individually...just sayin'*
Character development has been done.
I’m so glad I clicked this randomly. I then binged the entire series. I fell into his trap and his plan is going well
Some good advice here.
Keep your secret plans simple,
Keep them in line with a central objective, and don’t use murder as a first resort so as not to attract too much attention.
SUPERPOWERS - Terrible Writing Advice
Please do this, there is too much copy and paste when making superpowers
Is that an Omniscient Council of Vagueness?! How long have I been waiting for this to be mentionned, thank you!!!
papapok13 You fool! Now they're after you-(shot by sniper)
Come to think of it, there's a lot of murder going on in Mordor.
You know for C. D. and E. that would be a good start for an alternative way to find out about a intrigue plot. Like they might at first thought it was one thing, but later as they look back at that one case it could be there was more to it than meets the eye and want to investigate it more. If it was firing, it would give him motivation to really find out more about the conspiracy because it seems like someone doesn't really want him to get noisy.
For A. and B., I think that could be good for a side character or even side villain who could contrast with the hero who is investigating the scheme. For A. it could be a good story about the hero who was in on the intrigue plot, but later realizes how really corrupt and dangerous it is.
@Hans Hanzo Again it's a good alternative way to do this kind of stuff.
I love how the stereotypical antihero guy gets a backstory in this video. It's like all these random background characters who only exist to illustrate points are becoming self aware.
Does a character mention that a love triangle is a horrible cliché? Murder.
This video is brought to you by Tzeentch.
Here, have a like just for bringing him/it up, because I just *love* the concept of Tzeentch as pretty much the ultimate manipulator god, spawned from the very idea that the universe is ever changing, able to see everything that can ever be and screwing around with his enemies and worshippers alike.
Beings like Loki and other "Trickster Gods" have wet dreams about being merely half as good schemers as this... thing.
On the other hand, it's *really* hard to plausibly defeat an enemy that can see everything that could possibly be. How the heck do you actually beat something like that?
No, I'm seriously asking, because I've been playing around with a plot centered around a being like that for *years* and I'm sorta stuck between not wanting to water down the concept of a being able to see every possible future (it's sort of one of the central plot points) and not being able to find a way to justify my heroes actually, plausibly finding a way to defeat it.
Drakespawn85
Because Tzeench is Nyarlethotep. He delights in seeing chaos and the like. The reason the heroes win is because he wants it. Ultimately Tzeench wants constant change in the 40k universe. These small proxy wars mean nothing to him
What change could be bigger than the death of a chaos God?
Or the writers are just retarded, which is the more likely route.
Drakespawn85
Or you could do what Dune did.
Being all knowing doesn't counter the fact that you can only do so much with the resources at hand. This will force your all seeing entity to compromise in order to meet key goals and prevent lethal losses. Also being able to see all possible futures allows them to know what might happen but might force them to focus only on the major events as all the little things are too erratic to accurately predict how things will go. They might also be reliant on knowledge of what will happen rather than what is currently happening which could provide some sort of weakness.
The fan consensus is that Tzeench likes the process more than the result. Every other god plays to win, this jerk plays for fun, piling conspiracies and mysteries just for the sake of it and not afraid to lose on purpose if he thinks it will advance his goals in some other area or he will derive a chuckle from this.
That, and also the opinion that total victory is actually detrimental to him; he is rooted in ambition, change and hope (as in, "I hope someone will shank that bastard so I can be promoted in his stead"), and after a victory there is nothing for him left to achieve, it ends up in stagnation, domain of his cosmic opposite Nurgle.
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I would love to see a story about a person who discovers an ancient conspiracy, but then joins in, to take advantage of its knowlage and power to improve the world, and once in it, he gains power within the conspiracy by using a mix of clever and subtle manipulations inspired by the conspiracys main book, and by acting randomly and unpredictably, throwing the conspiraters off from realising when their own tricks are being used against them.
5:30
"I was manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you into manipulating me into manipulating you all along!"
I tried to make a Jojos reference. Dunno if that's even close XD