The Deadly Schoharie Limousine Ride 2018
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The in-depth story of Schoharie limousine accident 2018. A surprise birthday party takes a harrowing turn leaving 20 people dead and dozens of families devastated. It soon spirals into America’s deadliest transportation disaster in recent history. Was it sheer negligence or an inescapable tragedy? (Updated video including the Nauman Hussain trial and sentencing)
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When he said "four sisters" my heart dropped. Someone lost all of their children in that accident. I send my love to them.
@@stellviahohenheim It's all I have. I can't work right now because my best friend is dying of Bone Cancer and needs constant care. She can't afford a Nurse. I'm living off love and savings, in that order.
I can only send love. I'm sending some your way as well.
💙💚💛🧡❤️💜
Thank you for your comment.
To lose one child is horrific, to lose additional children is unimaginable. Condolences to the families of all the victims.
@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320
You shouldn’t have to explain your heartfelt comment to Stellvia, their response was cruel and callous. Sending prayers for you, and your friend for comfort and healing.
@@janicesullivan8942 Thank you. I sometimes feel that I have to take the high road and provide some context. Someone who knows me would never say such a thing. Anyone who doesn't know me and is unnecessarily cruel, my first assumption is that there is something wrong in their life and they are taking it out on a convenient stranger. That's why I sent love to her as well.
Thank you for your kindness.
@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320 you sound like a lovely person with a good heart. Please try to ignore the rude people. They definitely have much sadness in their life
5 to 15 years is outrageous. He and his father should be in prison for life. They killed those passengers.
That is a fraction of a year for each victim
Agreed!!!
Dad is now in Dubai, which has no extradition treaty with the US.
He'll be out in 4 years
I agree but this is substantially better than the initial sentence of fucking probation. What and outrage.
There’s a video clip someone sent to a loved one before they crashed, in the background you can hear someone say “ this is a scary limo.” The birthday girl even texted a friend to say she had a bad feeling about it. *Always* listen to your gut.
They’re all fools for not putting on their seatbelts (assuming the scumbag limo owners even installed any). Not that that makes them responsible for their deaths. The remarkable degree of negligence from the limo owners obviously makes them primarily responsible for everything that happened.
But even a fender bender can result in loss of life when people don’t wear seat belts. I’ve always thought it was unbelievably stupid that we don’t require children to wear belts on school buses. People die just so others can be a little more comfortable. Insane.
@@soberserotonin1850there's no seatbelts in limos...
@@toidIllorTAmI6:41
@@NoReply28 lmfao this isn't a real limo did you forget?
@uwuwatsthis it said there were over shoulder seatbelts.. the lap ones however were under the seat cushions.
The prosecutors who agreed with the original plea deal should be investigated . Letting this killer walk with no jail time is criminal in itself.
Yea those NY prosecutors have the public’s best interests at heart 😂
NY is a horrible state full of terrible people. That’s why I never want to go back.
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Fun fact: even if you're in an automatic transmission vehicle, you can still use engine braking to slow down the vehicle. If your selector has a "2" or "1" (or ideally both) you can use these to force a downshift and significantly slow down the vehicle. As a Wisconsinite, I use this technique to dump speed during the winter on slippery roads where I feel that use of the brakes will cause my car to slip and slide (no ABS). If you're reading this comment, I highly suggest you practice engine braking via downshift, but especially if you own an automatic transmission. It may one day save your life.
If he downshifted to 2nd speed at say 80 mph what would have happened?
I would guess he downshifted but still, with the weight and the hill he was estimated at 100 mph entering the store area.
I had to use this technique when my brakes went out.
@@Tom-ld9hp As for your first comment, if he downshifted into 2nd at 80 MPH, the transmission would jump between 5,000 - 6,000 RPMs. This would have caused the limo to slow down significantly. Once the limo slowed down to at least 40 MPH, then he could have downshifted into 1st and dumped even more speed.
As for your second comment, the weight of the vehicle is irrelevant. Semi-truck drivers downshift in order to slow down, and they weigh 80,000 pounds (36,000 kilos).
We always downshift going down steep hills
The fire guy choking up got me when he was describing pulling the people out of the wreck still alive. A living nightmare for all involved. RIP the souls departed.
its a small town, EMT's aren't used to that kind of gore. they are still innocent to it.
He said Fire guy...
@@interwebpsychiosis So what.
@@interwebpsychiosis Many firefighters are EMTs or at least EMR's and can usually be on scene before the ambulance gets there
people always forget about firefighters cuz they think that’s all they do is fight fires but they are always some of the first people on site since they are actually emt certified along the actual emt’s so they see the immediate aftermath of these gruesome accidents just like the paramedics do nobody ever thinks of them tho it’s pretty sad 😔
As someone from the area, I can say that almost everyone knows someone who was affected by this crash. We didn't lose anyone but my mother's close friend lost her daughter. Even 5-15 years is not enough He should've gotten life
Served as 5-15 years for every person who died, served consecutively, not concurrently.
It should have been death penalty
As someone who’s family has been a bit too close to several things over the years that for others there is a justified reason for the interest, my sincere apologies that this has happened to you. It’s not a fun position to find yourself in and your comment alone speaks to your own strength.
Live in Greene County but from Watertown- even Watertown was connected through some of the victims... i remember it well... sad
Correction: he should have gotten death. Life just means the taxpayers have to support him in prison until he croaks.
I actually live in Amsterdam, and one of the people killed in the limo was a teacher at the middle school. I was in 6th grade at the time, she taught the 7th grade math or english class (i can't recall which) so I didn't have her. My sisters did though, and they have told me she was a lovely lady and a great teacher. The road into the middle school is named after her now.
@@ELpeaceonearth fym cap bro what do you want me to say? i lied? because i didn't. do you want me to say my address? i live on the south side of the city if that helps. you just saw a comment from someone close to where the accident occurred and immediately called bullshit because people can't live places and comment apparently. you live a sad life.
@@ELpeaceonearth It isn't, and your user name sucks
@@ELpeaceonearth As someone who is from around the same area, it's not "cap." 🙄
@@ELpeaceonearth cap? That’s your response? You’re dad being told he’s the father is the lie. You’re adopted.
@@SwampCeeMcGee60I’m from Caroga Lake, it’s true. I’m glad they named the street after her, though. So horribly sad.
As someone who survived failed brakes, my prayers go out to the families affected.
My brakes failed when I was driving during a severe storm. All I could do was pull the emergency brake. The wet road caused my car to spin but then it came to a stop. I was truly blessed to be able to walk away. ❤🙏
What were you driving?
One of my sons and I were coming back from Vegas to California when he lost the brakes on the Cajon Pass. If you don't know that pass, it's very steep going down into California with lots of traffic and trucks. Thank God my son was adept at driving. Can't believe we made it home.
I had mine go out while trying to stop at an intersection. If a car had been there Id be dead.
@@jebby16 Probably a Ford. There's a reason people claim it's an acronym for Found On Road Dead.
Why lie for attention on the internet?
It is so eerie because they were having a good time, and I believe there was a moment when all of them felt a sinking feeling and started looking for seatbelts or a way out. You would definitely notice something like this. It’s pretty much a plane crash on the road
This car was a POS on all accounts and in very bad shape from "go." Horrible noises.
Good on that judge for saying "Fuck that" to that wank of a plea deal.
I remember when this happened. The level of gross negligence and incompetence on the part of the limo company was so severe as to be incomprehensible. I can't begin to imagine how much all of the families involved have suffered and how hard they had to fight for what seems like such a small measure of justice.
What about the government. If they issue 22 citations and all other types of things to this person but don't enforce it what good are they
blah blah blah you added nothing. thoughts and prayers, right?
And let's face it, the owner went to jail just because it's a small company. Big fish never go to jail. It's not a bug, it's a feature of the system we are living in.
Mobousine not limousine
5.55 Muslim spotted who is solely responsible 🤬
all these videos ever prove to me is horrible corrupt people never receive their due punishment. what a world we live in
When they do, it's too late
Murderers are doing things wrong actually being the person to directly kill when they could just set up situations which will cause deaths and get off lightly. If someone were to murder 20 people they'd be in prison for life, the law is telling them that they need to kill people with less specificity and more randomness to get away with it
I can't see how it's only 15 years in prison when it's 20 lives and it's not an accident but premeditated
@@skylark.kraken english please
Thats why Karma is bullshit
@@lizxu322 It is English, it's just a purposefully bad concept which I think the confusion might be about
I used to work for a group center for autistic kids and for excursions we had one of those 12 passenger vans. Even though my license is valid for that they still made me do a bunch of specialized driver's training. We also had the vans checked every month and each trip I had to do a quick check of things like lights and brakes before we'd even let the kids in. The sheer level of negligence from this company owner is horrific. Knowing that the brakes were bad and yet using the limo anyway is just mind boggling. And I still don't understand why he got let off so easy.
The owners were protected by the feds who imported them for a reason known only to the government.
I worked for Springbrook for 3 years. All you need is a driver's license to drive around a van full of developmentally disabled, vulnerable people. One resident even had a habit of unbuckling their seat belt and attacking whoever was driving, so one staff had to sit in the back to monitor and potentially intervene. There was a log book for gas & mileage, and the first person to drive the van that day had to do a cursory vehicle inspection (that most people just signed off without actually doing) for leaks and whatnot.
What a horrible tragedy, one I hadn’t heard of. Several years ago there was another tragic case involving a limousine in the San Francisco Bay Area. A bride-to-be and her wedding party were in a limo on the San Mateo bridge, heading over to the Redwood City area when the back of the limo caught fire. All of the young women died when they were unable to escape. It was horrific. I believe the NTSB should go one step further and have a website where potential customers can log on and check the safety records of the vehicles. May all these lovely young souls be resting in peace. ❤🙏😢
@Lurch The husband of the woman who’s birthday they were celebrating was forced to find a last minute replacement when the party bus he had planned canceled last minute. Let’s try not to blame the victims of this tragedy. Just the owners, and driver please.
They can check the BBB before renting. Not much of a choice but available.
When I clicked on this I thought they were talking about that story. I never heard of this one. 😮
@@DJR3M1XX No, you are not forced to use a unsafe vehicle the last minute, just drive in your normal cars like most other wedding guests do. If you must be extravagant at any cost, you may have to pay any cost.Common human sense is a thing we shoul cultivate a bit more . And please let me decide who i blame for myself.
And to think they would all be alive if they just acted right and didn't try to flex.
In Sept 2021 while coming home from Cooperstown my Son and I happened to pass the site and as I recalled the incident we stopped and paid our respects at the memorial that has since been set up at the location.. its a moving memorial and I'd only wish the video maker included that at the end.. what a tragic incident. RIP to them all.
I was at the apple barrel 3 days before the wreck. So horrific walking in there now to know 20 people died in 10 seconds right there in the parking lot. RIP to all.
This was a very sad thing. In 2005, a crash occured in Long Island, NY where four people were killed inside a stretch limousine that was involved in a head-on crash on the Meadowbrook Parkway. The driver was killed as was three of the five passengers inside the rear compartment including an adolescent female who was beheaded. During that earlier time period, I was employed by a company where part of the income was derived from repairing stretch and regular sedan limousines. I can attest to the fact that regular maintenance is put off in the interest of keeping vehicles on the road to make money. Even unsafe vehicles.
Brand New wrote a song about this. Absolutely horrifying.
The owner of the limo company was allegedly here to be an informant after escaping his home country after doing shady things there. Then after this happened, he took off back to his home country to let his son deal with everything. People were asking why he was allowed here after all of the shady things he had done before after this crash happened. It was a big shock when I heard about it.
Divershitty.
Because the US loves terrorists and informants willing to make stuff up.
Sources? Genuine question, thanks.
The dad had an expensive car needing 5:58 work on the transmission. Before it got fixed the garage on Ridge road in Queensbury got burned.
its why we don't negotiate with terrorists
As someone who has worked for a long time in the passenger transportation industry this story hits me particularly hard. I have been a driver trainer, a safety coordinator, a fleet manager and lead driver over my time working in the transportation industry and let me tell you, very little has changed.
I was both the safety coordinator and fleet manager of a medium-sized limo company when this happened. It was all the managers, dispatchers and drivers talked about amongst ourselves for days.
How could this happen? But in truth, despite not knowing the specifics at the time we all knew. The only question was how did everyone in the car perish when the bulk of it seemed to be so minimally damaged? The why though? That was a different story.
Even if the company you work for has an excellent safety record (as the company I work for now has) If you're in the industry, you know someone in your area that doesn't.
We all know fly by night operators. Maybe it's a penny pinching boss who won't pay to get anything repaired or a down on their luck independent operator that just can't afford to get it fixed. Maybe it's the driver who used to be on the top of the game but is now in his mid-80s and still working a full schedule with long hours. Maybe, it's the company whose tyrannical owner causes a chronic under staffing problem who forces their drivers into 16, 18, 20, or even 26-hour long shifts of driving while also consistently demanding a 7 day a week work schedule.
I wish my examples were hypothetical but I have witnessed all of them.
I actually attempted to report the company that was routinely forcing its drivers into 20+ hour-long shifts to the DOT but I was told (correctly) that as long as the vehicles involved were not commercial It was not their concern. The local police seemed equally uninterested.
Since the spread of Uber and Lyft the far bulk of local regulatory agencies for taxis and limos have disappeared. The ones that remain have very little power and mainly exist to rubber stamp applications and collect fees.
I've even warned people not to ride with certain drivers or companies and I know I'm probably doing the right thing. I still feel bad sometimes though like I'm taking food right off of someone's plate, especially if I know the operator really is too poor to afford proper maintenance.
Anyway, nothing has really changed that I can tell. I currently work for a company with a great safety record and a very aggressive preventative maintenance program. I guess that's the change I made was to not be a part of the problem.
You might be taking food off someone's plate, but you would save lives which is more important. So don't feel bad reporting anyone for poor safety and maintenance.
What rules & maintenance protocols & procedures are in Pakistan. I’m sorry to say that life is cheap amongst many & the dollar rules.
They were thrown around in the car violently as it crashed, having no seatbelts on. The blunt force trauma is enough to be fatal without the car itself being mangled.
@@majungasaurusaaaa I don't think we knew they were going that fast or it wasn't widely reported when the accident first happened.
Yeah, unfortunately it's like other recent respondent said ... the video stated the vehicle was going 80-100+mph by time it started hitting things that could bring it to a stop. Everyone sitting inside it would be matching the vehicle's speed at time of impact and with nothing to make them stay with the vehicle as it decelerated, they all must have kept moving forward at the old speed until they hit something that could stop them even more suddenly than a seat belt--probably the wall of the driver's cab. 😬
Thing is, more people survive high speed wrecks these days BECAUSE modern cars are designed to crumple like they do. The goal is to let everything else get messed up absorbing the crash energy so that the passengers both 1) aren't crushed by any of that crumpling and 2) only suffer a deceleration/impact that's been gentled enough that any direct bodily injury is survivable.
So the back section of the body of the limo being so intact, despite it being an 80-100mph crash ... to me it was a bad sign. At least the driver had an engine compartment that tried to crumple a little to cushion his impact. The poor passengers in the rear ... they had nothing. :(
Having lived in the Albany area my whole life (less then 30 minutes away) and driven past the store/cafe and down that hill they went down is very steep. You gain speed fairly quickly going down it. I've heard some of the stories from other first responders on scene and it was a complete nightmare in that limo after the accident where people we thrown on top of one another and crushed.
They need to change that road. Excavate it to make it flatter. I-70 going east into Denver is very steep. Many signs, but they haven't stopped horrible accidents.
@@missjackson3223 same thing with that intersection, they just add more signs. Now there's a memorial too..
RIP to all people that were in the limo.
Breaks my heart that some people could be so callous that they would ignore safety for money.
What about the 2 people that were hit by the limbo you have no respect for them or???
Four sisters perished in this tragedy! I am in shock as I just can’t imagine what their parents are feeling! Two brothers as well! One of absolute worst stories I have seen RUclips 😢
And the area they were all from isn’t big so almost everyone knew the victims in some way or another.
You Must Not Get Around RUclips Much... I Have Heard Much Worse Stories Than This... It Is Like A 1/10 Compared 2 Rape Cases, Molestation, And, The Stories Of "Indian Residential Schools 4 Example" ... No Offense Intended But, I Think You Have More Empathy For Personal Reasons... I Find It Hard 2 Sympathize With Privileged WT BDay Limo Riding PartyGoers... (Not Like It Was A Schoolbus Full Of Kids, That's A 100% Tradjedy ) , They Wore No Seat Belts And They Knew The Vehicle Was Not The Best Maintained And Anytime You Drive In The Back Of A Mass Transport Vehicle There Is A Risk Of Driver Error Or An Accident... That Risk Was And Is Still On Them... It Was A Single Vehicle Accident & If The Vehicle Sounded So Bad Why Get In , And If I Did I Would Be Watching The Driver Like A Hawk, Telling Him 2 Slow Down ... And I Would Have Ask Him 2 Test Out The Brakes 4 Me And Be Extra Careful With A Vehicle Weighing So Much... The Driver Must Have Been Speeding , Bad Brakes OR No Brakes , Or It Wouldn't Have Ended Up In The Situation It Was Found... And That Is On The Passengers As Well 2 Tell Him 2 Slow Down If It Feels & Sounds Unsafe, Time 2 Get Out & Call 4 Another Ride...
In fairness this is largely irrelevant. They could have all been in the same family or total strangers. Really not a whole lot of difference there.
Why are sisters and brothers worth more than unrelated people?
@@holladiewaldfee6071 Because of the devastating effect on a single family.
I grew up 5 minutes from this intersection. The saddest part is there was no good reason to take that hill. There's I-88 and an exit ramp literally 1/2 mile North. If they were coming down Route 30: West on 7 and South on 30A to avoid that monster. I'll assume the driver was just following turn by turn and not planning ahead.
I cannot believe his first deal gave him no prison time!! That’s disgusting 😡 And the sentence he ended up getting was nothing near what he should’ve. I am so sorry to all the friends & family 😢😢
I remember very well when this happened. I wasn't upstate at the time, but my mother and father were, and were attending the History Fair going on at the Old Stone Fort (an old historic revolutionary war fort in the area) at that same time less than a mile away from when this took place. All my parents heard were the rush of many sirens going towards the accident. They didn't know what was going on, but knew something was very off.
Very well done and quite accurate depiction of a terrible incident in my area. It seemed so strange to hear familiar roads and places refered to on a channel where I watch bad things happen to ""other" people. The hill on Route 30 going down into Schoharie is STEEP and long. Those poor people had way too long to see and feel the limo gaining speed as it hurtled down it.
This channel does docs way better then fully funded for network tv documentaries
That's how I felt when watching that one Disasterthon video on that girl who died snowed in in her car in Buffalo during last December's bomb cyclone! O_O
I’d bet yeah must’a been a hell of a ride, if I was in such a situation I would put down the fist liquor bottle I see and give a long passionate kiss to one of them girls
@@RewskOnTV weirdo
@@flowersinthefire far from that sweet❤️ …actually I was in a Punk band called the WEIRDOS
similar to this case, you should do an episode on the 2016 CA 1-10 tour bus crash in Palm Springs .
Read the NTSB report on this as soon as it came in. This always bothered me. Especially the shady behavior of the New York State police with the NTSB during investigation.
Not surprised
It's a fake event. Super corrupt town!
The worst part of all of this is that they cancelled their original limo rental. And these clowns were probably the only limo available limo in a short time frame. Can you imagine that one simple decision killed so many people?? So many families were affected by this, unbelievable...
What makes it even more horrible is the fact that they were trying to be responsible by taking a limo to the brewery so no one was driving under the influence.
What baffles me is how they only gave citations (pieces of paper) to the company, when it’s something this serious, instead of acting with the aggressiveness it merited, in order to prevent a tragedy like this.
They should have sent a small team escorted by police, go seize the vehicles themselves (or at least put a boot on them? But a sticker was supposed to do the job?), shutdown the business and charge them with a hefty fine and costs of towing, etc. Why rely on them doing the right thing now in surrendering their vehicles, when the reason they were in hot water is because they were irresponsible and didn’t give a fuck to begin with. I hope that limo law they passed addresses this. More aggressive action by all government agencies dealing with this type of affair.
When they said “citations” in the video, I just figured it was some sort of exotic fruit. Thanks for clearing it up that “citations” are of a paper nature 👍
What's worse is knowing that the operator removed the sticker willfully to continue operating the unserviceable vehicle. For money of course. And the lack of maintenance was astounding. Company vehicles should not fall into such disrepair that there's visible rust. Especially for a vehicle that's supposed to be high end, but any vehicle for that matter that's being used as a service to transport others. This story reminded me of the stretch duck story, these companies take rigs and modify them outside of their certified operation capabilities and then don't ensure that the modifications are stable or even safe. At that point it's just a matter of time before disaster occurs.
@@KahlessTheUnforgettable In speech that’s called adding emphasis. A citation may mean something to some, but it’s just a piece of paper to the ones who don’t care about consequences (like these people). It wasn’t a clarification due to thinking people don’t know what it means.
@@tearainey1 Exactly! Which is why it upsets me so much that they only gave them citations and put a sticker on the windshield. Because you’re correct, this was going to happen inevitably, it was just a matter of time. So much life lost. It was totally avoidable.
@@simplyrowen Oh yeah, I totally get it! Are you an English major as well? Oh, I agree “a citation may mean something to some…” because I was absolutely certain it was an exotic fruit. God bless your emphatic speech friend! All the best!
When money is involved, people will NOT self regulate. Greed is a deadly sin for a reason and the only difference between Hussain and any given billionaire is scale.
Justice was not done in this case, that man is culpable for 20 murders. It was not negligence, but a choice.
He got the original easy sentence because he's an FBI asset. Even the second sentence is an easy one. Remember everyone: there's one set of rules for the administrative state, and the regular set of rules for the rest of us. We have to follow the Constitution, they do whatever they feel like.
@@Heike-- Then there are the third set of rules for the wealthy and ones who know how to make money
B-but the Republicans told me rules kill businesses
@@fritzfxx Republicans also told you that the FBI is corrupt and only serves its own interests. Crazy conspiracy theory, eh?
@@fritzfxx Do you think the lack of self regulation around money stops just because it’s the government?
I was living near where this happened, The first responders really struggled, I can’t imagine what they saw, and probably see to this day.
Meanwhile a mom got 5 years for lying about an address at her daughter’s school. This is outrageous! And what
about the dad?
What mom and what dad?
I've never buckled up in a limo. I didn't know limos even had seatbelts.
I buckle up in all vehicles except for buses and trains, but the exception is only because of the absence of seat belts.
@@michaelbujaki2462congratulations
wow this is uterly insane. the fact that he was originally given probation is mind boggling and just the fact that the victims families had to fight and sit their and wonder for another year or two until finally he was held accountable. Even so 5-15 is still laughable for extreme gross negligence resulting in 20 dead. his direct actions and knowing led to that. he put his greed and the dollar above safety of passengers and knowing removing a sticker that forbid the car to be in service is incredibly insane, should absoultely be in prison for life.
Greed cost 20 people their lives. My heart goes out to the family and friends who lost their loved ones 🙏🫶
We had a similar situation happen in Quebec. They tightened inspections on limousines and limited capacity to 8-10 passengers.
We had one of these limos at my cousin's wedding I could see the highway through the buttum of the door sitting in the back. I am a car guy and told my cousin hope you didn't pay to much. Sad what happened to these people
same with trams and busses in Russia, sometime they don't close doors
Yeah remind me of whenever I'm on my way to Louisville Kentucky I always passed that sign that says sight of the fatal bus crash.
GRAPE SHOT why would you say that? That accident was in Upstate New York not Louisville Kentucky they are in two different states and many miles away from each other.
@@daniellewoolley8607 When he drives to Louisville, Kentucky, he passes by the accident scene where he can read the sign. Understood now?
Limo rental companies never maintain their vehicles. Not only are they poorly and cheaply put together, they're never repaired properly.
Great video as always, but small pedantic point... 10,000 lb is 4,500 kg, not 45,000. That's essentially the weight of a fully loaded semi 😂
Yeah thought 45 tons was a tad much for a limo 😂
@Insert Name i can recommend plainly difficult. Its bit different but still better
@Insert Name I'm pretty sure it's a typo or mistake from someone who's struggling with the international metric system. Everyone can make a mistake.
@Insert Name if you don't like it leave and stop bitching its not hard
Yes, that was at typo. Fixed that part and it should be updated in a couple hours. Thank you for letting me know
That's terrifying...
Like picture that, your partying on a limo and next thing you know the brakes fail. Imagine the terror those poor souls must have felt in their last moments....
The brakes also failed at the worst possible place, that hill going down to the valley is long and steep
I was thinking that too. They died in terror 😢😢
@Leo B yeah that limo driver definitely wasn't pushing his foot on the gas to make it go 130km/hr that's for sure! I just can't imagine how terrifying it would've been. Although I don't understand why he didn't just use the gears to slow down a little bit. The brakes would've been completely out, but he should have downshifted, and you can do this on an automatic too. Most ford's have an O/D off button on the end of the column shifter, if he started by clicking that, and shifting from drive into 2 after that, then 1st as soon as the drive train can handle it, he could have saved some if not all of those lives. I think the driver panicked, because almost everybody knows that you can downshift to slow down in an emergency.
@@DOWNTOWN_AUDIO Also a ruptured brake line in a properly operating system would only result in loss of brakes fed by that line. There are still brakes but they're all the way down on the floor to control the other end opposite the break. Downshifting would sure help as would using the guard rail to scrub off speed, lean right into it hard. Also likely neglected would have been the parking brake, it can't take much heat but might have helped.
😱 I can’t even started imagining what the family and friends went through. What tragedy! 😢😢
I live in the Capital Region of New York, and both the crash and Hussain's trial were big news in the area, especially since the high school some of the passengers went to is one of the more prolific (Shenendehowa) in the area, IIRC.
Also, this might be a local thing, but Schoharie is usually pronounced "scuh-harry".
My friends wedding was 2 weeks before and they showed up with this and they drove around for a bit but it malfunctioned so they had to get a different limo, craziness
@@_travisimo why limo and not a bus🤔
my family and i live in the capital region. my cousins went to school with some of the passengers. i don't know of anyone in the area who isn't appalled at the outcome.
@@vipvip-tf9rw bus requires cdl and special driving school & permits
@@MrWolfSnack clients doesn't need to drive bus, company can hire driver with bus license
Good on the judge to throw out the plea deal. But I personally would have preferred at least 30 years.
Why didn't he get life??? He killed 20 people and only gets up to 15 years??? OMG!! No justice here!!!!
I'm from this town, I didn't live here at the time (I moved back) and to just know the pure negligence of that company, 5-15 years isn't enough, he should get life, or at the very least 5-15 years for each count, to run concurrently.
From buffalo and remember seeing this on the news, it’s horrific because in NY WE MOST get our car inspected ever year. 20 life’s that should never have been taken
I’m from the area, and I remember when this happened. It really was such gross negligence.
Disgraceful that he was able to work a plea for probation and community service in the first place. Also disgraceful that the judge allowed it. The prosecutors and the judge should never be allowed near a courtroom ever again.
My uncle owns a limosinse service and has one of these in his fleet I am definitely going to to let him know about this when I see him next
For the death of so many young people, for the fact that he, as the head of the company, is responsible for the technical condition of vehicles and the employment of properly licensed people, there should be only one punishment - the death penalty.
Unbelievable that a prosecutor would offer a plea deal and give the guy probation the first time around. I'm so tired of DA's offering plea deals to criminals with no thought to the victims or their families, just so they have a higher "conviction rate"
cant imagine what the first responders had to deal with. seeing bodies all pancaked like that. their service is something worth thanking, for sure.
They're all volunteers in this area too..
I remember this. I’ll never ride in a limo because of this
Same to you
why choose limo, when buses are safer
@bellezanegra0206 you would have been safe in my limo. I inspected before, after, and at every stop. My license was always up to date with all my safety cards. Further more, if it didn’t pass my inspection, it wasn’t safe and I would put it out of service. Sure, they say I drove like an old lady, but all my prom kids loved me and so did their grateful parents. (20 years later at least 2 still call me mom!🥹)
@@vipvip-tf9rw Not really, see the Chinatown bus crashes and Greyhound is essentially a mental asylum on wheels.
I don't like stretch limos that are made from SUVs or Hummers. They are too big and people treat them like regular cars, which the definitely are not
20 dead, and no jail time is down right disrespectful, even 15 is not enough, at least 20.
Why so severe for lives already lost? To save as a warning to others thing it’s ok.
This happened not far from me. I knew a lot of the firefighters that responded to that call and it was hard on them.
I remember this making the national news. I agree with those who have said that this father and son should be in prison for life. How? 5-15 years for every life lost in this event served *consecutively*, not concurrently.
Just FYI, even if you're driving an automatic, you should be able to downshift. If you have overdrive or "tow mode" you should downshift and slow down. If you have 2 / 1 settings, those will slow you down even more.
If you have a parking brake, use that (they call them "emergency brakes" because they don't use hydraulics, most are steel cables that operate the rear brakes, newer versions are electric but might have a lockout function that prevents them from engaging while in motion).
That could have saved all of those innocent people's lives. Thank you. I can't imagine going through all the preparations to celebrate, and those preparations are what kill you and everyone you are celebrating with in a most horrifying way. Too much tragedy to take in.
But the vehicle, together with all people on board would have weighed over 3 tons. No amount of downshifting or handbraking would have helped.
handbraking a vehicle of that size would have sent it sideways, into a tree or sign or another driver, and ripped it in half.
@@MrWolfSnack hand braking a vehicle that size would not have locked the rear tires. If the parking brake was a foot pedal, possibly. The driver would only have one real chance to use it since the foot pedals ratchet and need to be fully depressed to unlock.
@@wizzard5442 any reduction of speed helps. Instead of increasing speed from when the brakes completely failed, it could have maintained speed. It could have reduced speed to 35-45 mph. Some of the people survived until after they were rescued from the wreck.
You can really visualize how severe the high-speed crash it had on the deceased victims' bodies. At 80-100mph, not only their bodies are tossed up like ragdolls or flimsy teddy bears flung into the air, but also the damages on their internal organs, skull and bone structures and respiratory system will be extensive. No paramedic should ever since bodies of a car crash that looked like as if they have suffered a bungee jump mishap.
I live in the upstate area and have been through that intersection many times over the years. The fact that NTSB mentioned seat belts not being worn is a slap to the families that lost loved ones due to fact that the car was going so fast when it crashed the seatbelts would have been like guillotines.
Bro the seat belts may have slowed down the impact. Not having them on at all is certainly sudden death or serious injury. I wish you guys would get a clue!! So basically not wearing seat belts at 100 miles an hour is better then not wearing one?? I don't think so bro. I bet if they were wearing them you'd have some survivor's vs none
@@tonygarrett9115 a seatbelt likely wouldn’t have made a difference here. It’s never a bad idea to wear it obviously, but this instance death was almost a certainty.
limos like this are essentially a death trap in a case like this. To build these limos, they have to cut the SUV in half, weld the frame together with parts cut out of another old frame to extend it, and add 20-30 feet on length between the front and rear by adding a patchwork of spare sheet metal and body panels to the re welded frame.
There are no structurally sound A/B/C pillars or anything to reinforce the body. There’s no structural integrity left due to the modifications. There’s nothing but flimsy sheet metal and glass separating the passengers from the outside. It’d be like crushing an empty soda can. Same reason RVs are so dangerous.
5 to 15 years? People get jailed for longer over less. Ffs, some serial killers serving life sentences killed less than these guys
Patriots have gotten more than 10 years for showing up in Washington on 1/6 to protest the stolen 2020 election - welcome to AnarchoTyranny!
They should also go after whatever company "stretched" the vehicle and didn't upgrade the brakes to handle the extra weight. The limo company wasn't the only one at fault.
The brakes in an Excursion are more than good enough for this weight. Unstretched ones already weigh about 8000 pounds and also can tow more than that. I own one and can easily pull 10,000 pounds. The picture of the rusted rotor is deceiving. They all look like that. The reason it had some glazed rust on the pad contact surface is likely that it was not used for a few months. Any vehicle will do that, and after you drive it a bit the rust removes itself. Structurally that rotor looked fine.
What occurred here was a normally functioning brake system completely failing, and I would pretty much guarantee what happened was the brake lines were very rusty and burst. This creates a total loss of the fluid and if its a front line that goes you get pretty much no brakes at all. I am a mechanic in WI where we have the same rust issues due to road salt as NY does. The replacement of brake lines is a very common thing an anything around here as they are made from mild steel. In fact, I just had to do new ones on an Avalanche two days ago. It had to be towed in as it had not even a hint of stopping power, couldn't even hold itself in gear at idle. I replace them with either stainless steel or nickel/copper alloy to prevent this, but a shop that cuts corners will use mild steel to cut costs.
I'm glad that judge tossed out the deal. How on earth such blatant and callous disregard for safety in the pursuit of a quick buck could be rewarded with just probation makes me hope that DA got voted out at the next election.
@@nickwarner8158 It can even just have been water in the brake fluid.
I live in the area and it hit the community so hard. I was 17 at the time and everyone was talking about it for months. I feel like being such a rural area made the impact that much harder, as we never see anything like this and the community is so close knit.
I couldn't believe that I've never heard that deadliest transportation disaster. I feel sorry for those bystanders and people inside the limo.
“It remains unclear why none of the passengers buckled up” but you said the benches were covering the seatbelts. You showed a picture of the benches with no seatbelts. Wtf
“While SOME VISIBLE lap and shoulder belts were present, it remains unclear why none of the passengers had buckled up” this is what he said, and it’s a sound statement. Some were hidden under the benches, but others weren’t, yet no one used the ones that were clearly visible. That’s the conundrum.
It´s not like the passengers cannot ask for seat belts. The first thing I´d do is ask for them. But maybe I am thinking too much about what can go wrong. I wished they did.
@@simplyrowen you weren’t paying attention. The lap baskets didn’t become visible until they took the beach off. Take this L
@@bowlchamps37 you are because they were literally covered up. The OP said that and showed the footage. THEN he made this asinine comment right after he said they were covered by the benches
This happened not far from where I live. I remember the shock that this sent through the whole area, it was horrible.
If only the driver hadn't had THC in his system then the brakes wouldn't have failed.
I love weed, I am literally high right now. I’m not just some hater.
It is not an important fact on its own that he had THC in his system. It is not what directly caused the accident, not even CLOSE! HOWEVER- like the narrator said, it shows that they don’t do regular drug tests. Which, among the rest of the company’s negligence and infractions all added up to this disaster. Look up the Swiss hole theory for plane crashes, it applies here too.
To all the surviving family members and friends, my dippest condolences!!!
This is absolutely tragic, those poor people who put their trust in this company for what should have been just a fun birthday excursion.
I also wish I could meet whoever the hell came up with the idea of the stretch limo and say “what the hell were you thinking with this Frankenstein creation?!”
The guy, absolutely 110% should have received some jail time. Not arguing that. The judge who let him skip out on it the first time deserves MORE jail time. And unfortunately, the double jeopardy thing is dangerous and un-american, and changes us to a dangerous precedent.
I worked for the company that serviced that limousine prior to this accident and have no idea how they got cleared of any wrongdoing. It was a popular discount tire chain, I'm sure you can easily figure out which one. The company that ran these limos brought them to us because other shops would not work on them in their condition. We had no business working on such a vehicle and should have never taken that vehicle in. We charged them for work that wasn't done, it was a hack job that we took in for the money because corporate tells us never to turn away a paying customer.
I'm not defending the limo company at all, this was gross negligence on all levels. I just don't know how my company got away with their hand in this crash. Needless to say, I left this company because I could not deal with how corrupt it was.
I have a 2011 Camaro that had a tire leak. I went into a chain tire place a couple years back they wouldn’t even look at my tires bc they were over 10 years old. They had a big sign in the front of the lobby stating that. You’re right on about this!
Next time you see Fire Rescue, Ambulance or Police at a crash site, spare them a thought.
I can't believe a deal was made in the beginning to allow the operator to avoid jail. OMG.
This accident still sticks with me because it was just so crazy to me how everyone died despite the car being somewhat intact.
My wife grew up 5 minutes from the scene of the accident. Her parents, brother and his fiancee, all still live there. It's a big deal in that community, and the intersection has a memorial now, along with a TON of extra "slow down" signs.
The force of 80mph coming to a sudden stop is crazy, they would've legit just crushed eachother to death
Yup like an elevator in free fall
@@worldofdoom995 that's the best comparison you could've given, my mind went blank trying to find an event to compare it too
Or snapped their necks on the rear partition from the impact as they flew through the air at 80mph to 100mph.
@T Raybern The limo didn't, but the passengers did. 18 people traveling 20mph before colliding with each other/the interior of the limo. Guaranteed snapped necks, skulls crushed, bodies crushing other bodies, internal organs bouncing around inside the bodies from the forces.
@@delanorrosey4730 That's not how physics work. How do you propose they went from 100 to 0 while the vehicle was still in motion. That's complete nonsense. It went from 100 to 80 after the first crash, then crashed into a bunch of trees and shit where it finally came to a stop some number of meters away. 100 to 0 would have killed them on impact. Some of them were still alive for a few minutes after the crash.
Devastating tragedy. Don't ever be afraid to be cut ones losses or to be the odd man out, or to quit ones job when asked to do something dangerous.
I can't imagine being in that runaway limo, knowing you're probably going to die.
I remember hearing this all over the news. I'm a NY native and part of the capital region area. Its a very sad story and it ended carelessly on behalf of the limousine company. The son tried to wesile is way out
What a horrifying tragedy! God bless all this families who lost loves ones. I can't imagine what they've gone through with this tragedy.
Sadly why does it take a horrible tragedy like this to get things done and changed?? 15 years is a joke and ive said time and time again why are these Stretch Limousine 's not fitted with seatbelts!! RIP to all of those that lost their lives in this accident. 😢
It gets even worse when you realize that school busses are still not fitted with seat belts.
@@SergeantExtreme my school bus definitely had seatbelts lol we used to hit each other with them 🤣
@@kimmehamehaaa7241 Ah, you were a short bus rider.
Why TF didn;t the driver drag that limo along that guard rail to slow them down?? Why aren't _all_ driver's required to complete a defensive driving course to _protect_ from this exactly this type of shit?? "80 feet" IS _8 residential stories,_ those poor people flew, into the air folks! 😡😡
Why did the driver not drive the limo immediately off the road after he had no brakes?
@@OrangeUp It probably would've flipped/ rolled loads, if he did that. Dragging the side along the guardrail would slowed them down & given him some time to think before making his next move. Hide sight is always 20/20 especially when we're sober & he was not.
@@Digitalhunny Sure some stress there… The guard rail was only at the very end after he had gained all the speed. Too late to slow down much. It is difficult to make the right decision in such a situation. One has no time to hesitate.
This happened in the county next to me. So so sad.
Such devastation. Absolutely heartbreaking.
What a heart breaking story .... how terrible for the families of the victims . RIP 🙏
Thank you for another reason to stay the fuck at home
Your videos are always interesting, Dark History. I feel that your videos are perfect examples of how we can/should learn from the past.
Imagine being a devastated family member having to fight that hard for justice! No time left to actually grieve. Shame on the court system.
Such a sad and very preventable loss of life and distress to all concerned. Being a truck driver in the UK I've noticed that when I'm unlucky enough to be overtaken (truck speed limiters set at 56mph max by law) then obviously behind these awful things they never seem to drive straight. Some of them could be that the tracking is out but also the bodywork doesn't look dead straight because of how much its been stretched. Id certainly prefer to walk.
They deserved the death penalty, totally corrupt people that killed all those girls!!
A friend of mine had two close friends that were lost in this negligent vehicle crash. It's a complete travesty that this man and his father didn't get much longer sentences if not life. Especially when your actions directly cause the death of multiple people. They knowingly put unsafe vehicles back on the road. There was another side to this that wasn't mentioned. Mavis Tire performed fraudulent inspections on that vehicle. They were also part of this lawsuit. Another shoddy business that should be closed down before they cause a serious vehicle accident if not death. It's terrible. There were several families that lost multiple family members in this. Justice was definitely not served. Very sad. ❤
God bless all the victims and their families 🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
A medic by nature has to see terrible things everyday, if THEY had mental breakdowns after this tells you how gruesome this was
Very sad for sure. Often times especially under pressure from their brakes failing people forget to downshift to slow down. Knowing this is SO important in a situation like this. If your brakes go out throw your shifter into 1st gear and let the motor at least slow you down some before impact. It's very hard on your motor but beats smashing into a tree at 100. Whereas if the driver did this he probably could have got the vehicle down to like 30-40 since a motors 1st gear range isn't over 25mph. This action could have saved most of their lives I feel like.
And then if the driver wasn't on weed while driving, he might have been able to apply the emergency brakes after doing this downgrade shifting.
He could have saved ALL their lives instead of ending up in the worst possible crash position ever.
All those friends and family members gone in the worst way because the people handling their celebration killed them. So awful.
The families should sue the state for allowing or approving this vehicle legal. And officials on the state to go to jail too.
I expected a life sentence with a chance for parole after a couple decades when I heard the initial charges. How someone can basically kill 16 people and almost avoid any prison time is horrifying. The prosecutor(s) who struck that initial deal need to be investigated. Corrupt scumbags. The defendant’s ties to law enforcement make me think that it was a sweet deal for their buddy for being friendly with cops. Thank God the judge wasn’t a bootlicker and didn’t let that miscarriage of justice go through.
It’s still remarkably lenient to be directly responsible for 16 deaths and maybe only spend 5 years in prison. That POS should never see the light of day again. Very very very very very lucky man to get 5-15 years.
6:53 bc you usually don’t expect your limo to fly 80 feet in the air probably why they had no seat belts on even if there was a few that could been used. How many y’all would buckle up in a limo before watching this ?
This is horrible this should’ve never ever happened. I’m truly so sorry to all the families and friends
I cant believe he only got 15 yrs. Those poor people what they must of went through as it speeded dwn that hill. No justice for the familys that had to deal with it. He should of gotten life without parole in my opion.