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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- It has been an up and down week for Helldivers 2...
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This week has seen a controversial new balancing patch, a crash fix update, a new Warbond reveal and SONY now requiring all PC players to have a PSN account or else! In response to the madness, Arrowhead's CEO Johan has posted on Twitter to direct all anger towards Playstation Support.
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1:48 - New Warbond Recap
2:59 - Community Polls
3:40 - A Very Small Crash Update
3:58 - The Mayhem Started Early!
4:29 - SONY Want More!
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Please put the link to Sony support in the description of the video
@@bh0llar702 another diver made the point that you can just make a PlayStation account regardless of country because you don’t actually have to use it for anything you’re still going to be using your PC. Another guy said you can make a virtual account. Personally, I would probably make a dead end email account and use it to sign up to PlayStation net work.
Far too much to say on this topic.
In short it's not a "I want the data!" issue. What data could they possibly be missing out on that steam has? Players literally play the software executable built by the developer, approved by the publisher. Not to mention that there is a bunch of back end work you have to do to integrate with Steamworks. Anything steam collects.... they already have access to. UNLESS it is platform specific information and even if a player did link up the Sony account, Steam still wouldn't let them access it anyway.
Regardless though to straight up brick the game on steam users is a dick move, even if it was pre notified that the account link was required..... let alone letting it slide for several months after launch.
While AH are the devs, Apparently Sony owns the Hell Divers IP and have made this decision unilaterally. I get the feeling from twinbeard on the official discord that AH have their hands tied here.
Sony talking about safety and security has to be the funniest thing I've heard all year.
Nah, as funny as this is, it's only the second funniest for me this year.
@@Brown95Pyou soy boy want Sony to stop the bad players making fun of you 😂
Their protection is useless yea they are full of shit.
@@Brown95P Then we gotta know what the most funny thing is
Whats funnier is Sony wanting to use an A.I to actively search for deviant social behavior and auto-ban you. This is stuff copy pasted directly from 1984, an Orwellian dystopia were big brother is always watching and is always right!
This situation honestly proves that no multiplayer game is truly safe from this kind of shit anymore
And that's really what we're blaming the Devs for. If they can't be trusted to stand up to Sony and protect their players, then we can't really trust them to not just be puppets for Sony.
@@Solkardthere is nothing devs can do here...
They do have one option. Gamers probably wont like it
@@Solkard what makes you think they CAN? sony holds the cards here. the devs could walk off but then they would be abandoning the game and their players at the same time.
If you use these 3rd party account based services yes. If you don’t then you will be safe.
I can’t wait till Sony goes "Technically, playing Hellduvers 2 online is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS Plus on Steam". Mark my words.
Don't give them any ideas!!!
This is my fear and I wrote it on my edited from positive to negative review on steam. If they changed their own words regarding the PSN account link for PC from OPTIONAL to MAY BE REQUIRE, what's next?
If sSeam tries to charge for Online play on a PC everyone will bail. We ditched our consoles already. We can live without it.
I would actually uninstall the game and demand a refund if that happens.
That's how they'll kill the PC version for sure.
Corporate greed. Shitting on their golden goose then ripping it open to try and find more wealth when all they had to do was be patient, lessons are never learned.
As I learned recently playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance and reading that exact story: Greed never pays.
Because gamers acted so mature right? Literally forming trolling groups to kill new players to the game, people who have no idea whats going on or care. Thats the reaction. We don't agree with the devs so we 're going to become the most toxic people we can be. We're going to ruin the game for people who have nothing to do with this.
Really classy, really showing those publishers why they should respect us.
What greed? If you got the game for steam, you were multiple times informed, that this will require a PSN account. (Store page, ToS)
Who the hell reads the tos and the fine print? Did you spent an hour reading that shit when you bought it?@@nugorra
Golden goose is 2k/rockstar.
If the PSN requirement was intended, then why did Sony sell and allow purchase of the game in regions where PSN is banned and not allowed? That's ground for refunds if not fraud.
Yup. That's the mistake that's going to cost them in court. Selling a product you know doesn't work? That's illegal in any nation you can think of and five you can't.
Not going to happen. Form India here..we only had PSN since 2016..before that we all made PSN accounts and played PS games. If we go by the ToS, all Indian PS owners before 2016 should be banned, but none are banned. Considering Indian gamers do not even constitute 1-2% of gamer population on PS today. I just reactivated my 14 year PSN account collecting dust.
@@drsawma This is so stupid. So i should have to play with Sony breathing down my neck knowing that technically i could be banned at any moment if they decide to crack down on it? I'm not entrusting my hours of progress to something like that at all. Someone from China was already banned today because of trying to use a VPN to create a PSN account.
@@Sorain1I wonder what the EU is going to say about this, considering that PSN is not officially available in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
PSN is banned and not allowed where exactly? holy shit people are talking out of their asses a lot lately, if a PSN does not have a certain country listed that DOES NOT MEAN it's banned or not allowed, Just select a different country, I have a US, UK, UAE and JP PSN accounts all created without VPN
It's a shame these empty suits are going to ruin the best multi-player game Sony has had in forever.
Let's not be dramatic.
Corporate greed
@@ianvincent3837 I remember Planetside 1. Bought it pre-release. SOE did what SOE did. Sony has a record of being the worst.
Lmao if they made it a console exclusive it would have been a smash hit that exceeded expectations like crazy…
AND they wouldn’t have to deal with this BS 😂
its because pc players are too loud, demanding, and entitled. just like all fringe groups in the US. these updates hurt the console gamer the most.
400hrs in and never came across a player that deserves a ban.
I've already had 2 separate players deliberately shoot and kill me in my seat of the pelican so that I don't extract. Maybe not grounds for a ban but it was annoying as hell
Theres going to be jerks everywhere in life. Not every match is the same and sometimes people will shoot you. Ive had it happen multiple times for stupid reasons and you dont hear me winging about it. Sometimes you need to chill and tak a step back. @@Xbitxx
@@diatomicdoyen5282 who said I was whining about it? I was just stating my experience. I literally said I don’t think it’s grounds for a ban, but just that it was annoying
@@diatomicdoyen5282 biggest jerk of them all is Sony. Maybe they will ban themselves? 🤔
@Xbitxx if that had actually happened you'd realize that you still count as extracted. Dying in the pelican is meaningless. Once you're in your Samples are saved and you count as extracted.
Getting killed before entering or getting kicked before entering are the only real ways to grief. You can get kicked after entering and still get all the rewards.
Whenever someone says "for your Protection".... it's never for your Protection
Always greed..
100%
When the game first started, it DID ask for a PSN account, but you could SKIP it. It was OPTIONAL. Sony's only doing this now because now the game's popular so they want credit for something they didn't do.
It technically was a grace period to deal with network issues; it was optional in the sense that things were broken as hell during launch
nah they want to sell the user data. Literally its the reason every company asks you to sign up.
For some reason, I NEVER got that prompt
@@annodomini2012even though that’s the case, they really shoulda made it more clear it would be happening eventually from the start. Instead they’ve dropped it without warning and the backlash is way worse then it could’ve been
Yep. This goes to prove that ppl dont read the fine print. When HD2 first came out you had an option to link or make your account now or later. Day one they let us know up front. Arrowhead is in contract with Sony so they're handcuffed to this contractual agreement. Again, they gave us a choice day one to link or make an account now or down the line. Proof that ppl dont read the fine print.
I hate the people not understanding the full picture. This screwed over a lot of people in countries that don't have access to PSN, VPN could bite them in the ass if they try to use it, sony's love of censorship .
The latest patch also made it so that NGuard will crash the game if it detects a VPN running. So that's a thing.
@@AvoCattoTV Honestly the latest patch crashes my game anyway lmao
So just buy a PlayStation five if that is illegal in your country stop following communists
Use the VPN to sign up for the PSN account. Then just link the account and play as normal. If the game were constantly doing region and vpn checks, then people in the "restricted" countries would've been blocked already, PSN or no PSN.
Update: Saw a post where someone claimed that it has been tried and will immediately flag a ban. So definitely don’t try it now.
@@Solkard dude, the other nine out of 10 people just complained meanwhile, you casually fixed the issue and went back to your coffee, golf clap
Nothing can bring back the amount of trust that Sony just burned. The unique relationship between the players and the devs is practically burned by no fault of either, because when a heartless suit is holding the strings, everyone at the bottom dances to their tune.
Well said
Trust takes years to earn and only a moment to lose it.
nah people will buy their Playstation 6 and their new games typical normie
Well what do you expect when 90% of gamers couldn't tell you the difference between a developer and publisher.
what do you mean trust between players and devs has been burned. they have no part in this and are in fact negotiating to help us more then helping sony
"Have you not had your daily dose of Gaslighting today? We can help with that!" -Sony Entertainment
It's exclusively for execs to report higher numbers of PSN accounts and look good for a bonus.
Anyone who's worked a corporate job knows that new execs have no idea how the lower levels run and desperately reach for any reportable technicality to justify their position/pay.
Ah yes, KPIs as a business model shenanigans. What a surprise... 🙄
That's why I hate big company. They are so lazy idiots.
Spreadsheet columns...
My psn account was breached years ago... shit isnt "safe" its clearly data harvesting...
1000% correct
You gotta turn on two factor authentication
Or trying to inflate their numbers for shareholders.
@@MichaelWalker345Two Factor ain't doing squat when it's a DATA BREACH
It’s not just this. It’s mainly to pad the number of subscribers they got this quarter
Sony: "We're losing PSN subscriptions due to Stellar Blade censorship... But wait, Helldivers 2 is popular, why don't we force Steam users to get PSN accounts?"
And it's not all that trivial. One of the Arrowhead CMs said that Sony wants to be able to ban players directly instead of having to go through Valve. Given how hard Sony has gone against "hate speech" "profanity" and even insults (calling someone an "idiot"), this could be about censorship and social control.
Ironic, really, in a game that lampoons censorship and social control.
100%
Gawd damn the irony of it all.😮
I guess Sony is the new faction we've heard rumors about. I doubt the helldivers are going to win this one. The opposition is just too strong.
I'm not going to create a PSN account, so it was an honor diving with you helldivers.
Arrowhead has made it as clear as they legally could that they don't agree with the PSN changes and if the community wants any real change to be vocal directly to Sony.
I'm 100% for shitting on the people responsible, just be mindful this isn't a devs issue; It's a publisher/executive one.
If you keep playing the game with a PSN account, then you are playing into Sony's hand. They don't care if you are mad about it, but do it anyway. Time for gamers to grow some balls. Stop complaining about these tactics and then doing it anyway.
If u want u can blame it on Arrowhead. It's they're contractual agreement with Sony. Dont be just upset with Sony, gibe that same energy to Arrowhead. They agreed to this. They should be on the grill with Sony. This goes to prove that ppl dont read the fine print. When HD2 first came out you had an option to link or make your account now or later. Day one they let us know up front. Arrowhead is in contract with Sony so they're handcuffed to this contractual agreement. Again, they gave us a choice day one to link or make an account now or down the line. Proof that ppl dont read the fine print. If ppl really care then on that date not one make a PSN account.
They're still Sony's bitch, doing Sony's bidding, taking Sony's money. They're far from victims here.
@jamescoleman1574 I'm inclined to agree with you, but keep in mind that they've been dumping blood sweat and tears into making this game for YEARS. Consider their position - I'm not sure how much wiggle room they had in this contract, but if it comes down to certain conditions to meet for Sony or not have your game published on a major plarform....business-wise, it makes sense. Is it lame? Yes, but I think it's clear these devs care about their playerbase, at least more than others. That's just my take though, I could be wrong
All Steam players should request a refund.
And here I thought I was safe from Sony's bullshit from the safety of my PC, wtf seriously?
5 years ago my PSN account got banned, there was no reasoning behind it, there was no way to appeal it. I lost access to over $2,000 worth of digital games due to it, I still, to this day, have no idea why I was banned. That ban lead to two things, the first is that I never ever buy digital copies for consoles and never will again and the second was to give Sony the finger and move over to PC gaming. When you said that Sony said "this will allow for people to get banned but also for an appeals process" i just laughed. Cya HD2, its been fun.
You don't buy digital copies of games... so you switched to PC... where you HAVE to buy digital copies of games? Make that make sense please.
@@MLPIceberg > for consoles
You forgot to mention that Piles statement with the link to the PSN page went specifically to a section where sony states that linking is optional.
And in a sneaky way, Sony changed what the page says to "some games may require account linking". It's extremely scummy.
Bro 200+ hours I never felt needing to block anyone
Exactly, adding all these “safety features” if anything will cause more toxcicity than ever, we never really needed people banned it’s a pve game, even cheaters didn’t grief often and usually just spawned things that aren’t released yet, harmless fun. 120 hours and I never thought I’d have to deal with this bs, I’ve only ever had 1 negative voice chat experience in game and I just told him where he could shove it like everyone should have the right to do, I don’t like sony, their trash censorship practices is the main reason I refused to buy a ps4 or ps5, and now I might have to give up the only game I’ve been playing for weeks, again because of them.
@@mclovin2408 well said Hell Diver 🫡
I had to block someone who kicked the team at extraction but yeah it's pretty rare
Honestly. I’ve had to have played around 300 games and there was only 2 times where I ran into a toxic player. Everyone in this came is pretty chill.
I've already had 2 separate players deliberately shoot and kill me in my seat of the pelican so that I don't extract
There is now a date on my last Dive. It's like knowing the day Democracy is going to die before it happens
Damn that's a depressing concept.
Now we know how Padme felt when galactic democracy died
@@nicolasvillasecaali7662 With a corporate applause...
Hey
Still gonna play on my end
But when they ask for ps+ subs i drop it
We’re with you I guess my diver is getting an early retirement.
it’s absolutely disgusting to me how time and time again good things are ruined for the sake of greed. truly evil
Imagine catching lightning in a bottle then getting robbed on the way to the bank. lol
All Sony had to do was make it optional but highly incentivize player to do so by giving them exclusive skin and/or weapons but as you would expect it they take the anti consumer route.
Least evil capitalist company
THATS WHAT I SAID
LIKE JUST AN RECOULOUR COULD GET PEOOLE TO GET IT
least evil lmao 🤣 like that makes it any better, evil is evil stop pumping ur lungs full of copium. This companies are not your friend and they will keep taking inch by inch in the name of profit.
Yeah ive seen fornite do this with exclusive psn skins. Could of done the same with HD2 and keep it optional. More ppl would of done it for sure. But just outright banning ppl is pure evil
@@siluda9255so dumb 🤣🤣🤣
“For safety and security, your accounts will be reorganized into the first galactic PlayStation account!”
"So this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause..."
"For a safer society!"
says the sheep that has had his healthcare/bank account info stolen by russia/china.
Mate, This has to be my comment of the decade, thank you for providing me with a 30min laugh
"Safety" PSN is one of the worst security risks out there. They've been sued for letting their customer's information get leaked before. This requirement is bullshit. Fuck Sony.
Arrowhead obfuscated the fact that the PSN login would be a hard requirement with their SKIP THIS STEP button. The box NEVER returned for me after I did that, and I saw no mention of it being TEMPORARY. Now, both of my refund requests have been denied so I had no recourse but to permanently remove the game from my Steam account in protest.
The obfuscation is ABSOLUTELY Arrowhead's doing, not Sony's. It's such a wonderful tactic to make someone else look like the bad guy, when you're just a tiny development studio and they're a giant mega--corporation. Do you honestly believe, EVEN FOR A SECOND, that they aren't colluding? This is the type of crap PR firms specialize in.
Level 75 Diver.
I haven't un installed or removed yet. If this is how it goes down it'll be the last time I ever give AH, or anything tied to SONY a single cent.
@@zacharyk7006 I already made the call to boycott any and all future Sony and Arrowhead releases. I am also prepping to refund all the games in my Steam library which I have not played 2 hours in response to their refund refusal, as I have never had much faith in them as a platform. We'll see where it all goes. I stand to come out of this about $150 positive.
@@leftypistolero5983 Be warned, if you've got a game that has less than two hours on it, but you've had it in your library, installed or not, for more than two business weeks, your refunds will also be denied. I had this happen when I tried to play one of the MOH games, and it required some kind of CD key that was never provided, email or otherwise, nor could they issue me one because apparently CD Keys weren't being generated anymore...so essentially, my game that I bought on sale, thankfully, that I'd had for a year at this point but never installed until this point, started the game, and had 10 minutes into it while I was trying to find said CD Key...was unable to be refunded, because it had been attached to my account for more than a year.
So be warned, that may backfire on you too.
The was likely an NDA requirement by SONY
@@paulseed1065 Not according to the CEO of Arrowhead.
Sony: “Everyone has to have a PSN account now!”
Cadet: “Do you hear treason?”
Skull Admiral: “I hear treason…”
Sony really thought we couldn't see through propaganda
Lmao the propaganda you signed up for?
@@dreamshakejunya I'm gonna need a lawyer trying to figure out what game company fine print says nowadays.
The amount of people defending Sony proved them half right.
@@jaelee1996 fine print ain’t propaganda. It’s fine print. And it’s there.
If you can throw together a class action and pierce this clause I’d encourage you.
@@Rairaichan did PC players make a company that published the game? Didn’t think so. He who puts up the money gets to make the rules.
"Your negotiations seem to have failed ambassador."
"The negotiations never took place. It's urgent that we make contact with Super Earth..."
Hearing "safety and security" from a company that's easily hacked into doesn't give me peace of mind.
What setting do you need to turn on to see your current samples in the top right? I used to see them, but I can't turn the indicator back on.
Stay a few seconds in the map (i think it was TAB)
-New Major Order-
Don't dive until account link is optional instead of mandatory.
-for democracy
For democracy
For Democracy!
I mean if well All somehow came together I'd be down. But we ALL have to be on board for a change to be made
you like poking the bear don't you...lmao😆😆.
I will dive only bots since I don’t like bugs anyway, I’m already on board anyway, sony can shove it.
The only one griefing is Sony. This is the most wholesome Community i´ve seen in over 10 Years.
Artificialy boosting the Numbers of PSN-Accounts to generate Stock Value is just pathetic.
Especially if you consider that they get hacked at least once a Month.
Im 100% NOT giving them Access to my Steam Libary
And I wont create a useless account only to play Helldivers 2. I currently dont even have an account and wont make one only for that. Sony gets hacked ones every month so no. :(
Hacked once a month? Oh please, show me some credible sources for that BS.
@@ThisGuyDrivesare you a clown or were you just born ignorant? Sony has been hacked so many times I lost count.
@@ThisGuyDrivesits obviously hyperbolic, but he has a valid point.
They get hacked alot, there have been major breeches at Sony over the last several years, and they have a history with big problematic things like that which is indisputable.
But what's Your point exactly? Does it just bother you when people speak Expressively instead of Literally?
@@ThisGuyDrivesit's an exaggeration tard. But look it up they have had a lot of data hacked in the past
Sony: we’re doing this for security purposes.
Gamers: But you got hacked in 2023 & 2024
Sony:
Game was more fun before the patch. Now, I feel like I am constantly knocked back/down, dead, or running away from a charger. Feels like a constant "Are you kidding me?"
As someone who plays on PS I don’t agree with Sony needing to have Steam players accounts linked. I’m so tired of corporate jerks sticking their noses into something they don’t understand or care about all to boost numbers.
Especially since their newer games are complete shit too
folks. this isnt about your data.
requiring a psn account means you can loose access to your game - even permanently - if you ever do something sony doesnt like. or if they get hacked again and some dud ebuys your account for their botnet gold farm.
with steam you at least have certain protections. and steam has a good track record for refunds, keeping games available even after the studio dies, etc.
but sony owes you nothing. their terms and services leave you ne recourse if something happens. youll have to beg them to restore your account. and its up to their benevolence to do so.
people have lost access to their PSN games for all kinds of stupid crap in the past. You wont be immune form this.
the moment you link to PSN you loose any of the little bit of rights you still had. no court in the world can force SONY to refund you or restore your account.
yep that is the problem and we need the community to stand against this
Truth. I've lost hundreds of games to Sony because of their shit system getting hacked.
When I was told they couldn't give them back to me, I said ok, I'll go dispute those charges to my bank. They said they would sue me.
So I bought games and lost them through no fault of my own. Sony could clearly see what I had bought and refused to allow them back to me. Then they said they would sue me if I disputed, because they have proof I bought them.
Disgusting company
*lose
Can't stress this enough, Sony with the douchebag move can withhold your access to any of their games.
If u want u can blame it on Arrowhead. It's they're contractual agreement with Sony. Dont be just upset with Sony, gibe that same energy to Arrowhead. They agreed to this. They should be on the grill with Sony. This goes to prove that ppl dont read the fine print. When HD2 first came out you had an option to link or make your account now or later. Day one they let us know up front. Arrowhead is in contract with Sony so they're handcuffed to this contractual agreement. Again, they gave us a choice day one to link or make an account now or down the line. Proof that ppl dont read the fine print.
wait so if i choose to not link it by june 4th i cant ever play helldivers 2 after that? like im "banned" essentially from a game I paid $40??? or they just wont let u play till u link to psn
Yes. That's what they mean. I'm not linking for 2 reasons.
1) Already lost an account with them.
2) Not making a new account to link my ancient STEAM account to so it can be stolen under the frequent (successful) hacks against Sony. I am not gonna keep losing thousands of hours of my life because a company refuses to try and mitigate the damage done from hacking. I like gaming and want to keep playing games.
1) Cannot fix any shit
2) Nerf good weapons to sell new warbond
3) Force PSN shit
RIP. 30th-May last dive.
Already made the decision to uninstall, crazy how it went from most fun to least fun over 1 week.
So a company that's constantly hacked is gonna make us log in to their service for a game that has kernel level access on it's anti cheat...
What does kernel level access mean? (in terms of the risk we are faced with as PC players)
@@TheNickjhaight admin access
@@outtolunch2834 Thank you
@@TheNickjhaight it means the root of your operating system and possibly bios. Your motherboard itself could be corrupted. Scrap and new PC.
@@raymondherd4859 Well shit, I'm definitely out then. I just built a brand new PC last year and dropped about $4k into it so I'm sure as hell not gonna be diving anymore (sadly).
This has me wondering if at a certain point a studio can claim the publisher is killing their sales and revoke the contract over stuff like this
ye id wanna jump ship from sony they are gonna become the new EA at this rate
I hope Arrowhead breaks off from Sony, but I fear for the consequences of all playstation players
It's worth a try
@@AshCreeper yeah me too considering i have this BAD FEELING a new Data Breach is about to occur from a salty ex-Helldiver owner or someone else seeing all the new PSN accounts with all that juicy new data
@@stormwolf8770 is there any way I can unlink my account? I just found out I linked it. (They forced me to make one for GOW Ragnarok DLC)
Funny they say that but what happens if you can't access the PSN site to login because it's down and it's down constantly.
Funny because when we present Sony with tangible evidence of booters attacking our routers on other games, they don't do jack
The strongest hate is born from the most passionate love.
The problem is because the fans are so passionate about this game, the hate will be out of control.
True
To use a quote "Zeal in the cause of righteousness is no vice."
No the bitter hate will be within control, we gamers are already into Gamergate 2.00 with Stellar Blade, we all know that Sony is complicit with DEI ESG BRIDGE
Liberal children
@@sumotony you missed the point.
I'm not giving access to my Steam Account to that poorly secured piece of shit Sony...
I would like to suggest if this goes down that as many streamers as possible do 'good bye streams'. Go on your ships bridge, have people join your ship. Give them a farewell hug, and then they alt f4 & Un-install. Having multiple streams of just random people joining to hug a few mates before retiring would be cathartic, and a great gesture to end this short ride.
For the record, its May 4th 12:15 AM eastern standard time when I'm writing this, and Helldivers 2 already has another 10,514 negative reviews on Steam for May 4th. 15 minutes after the day started.
I'm done. 240 hours. Level 106. This is Arrowhead being forced by Sony, and I think we should all should ban Helldivers for Arrowheads' own good. We don't need another EA or Ubisoft forcing us to go to their platform to play the games we like. Let game developers make the games, sell the games, and make MONEY off the game! Keep the Corporate scum out of this!!!
I had the most fun in a game for years in HD2... maybe even for a full decade... I am not giving this up for this bullshit.
@@Nachtmahr79 I'm going be doing both. Run down the clock, get my time in, and go back to Civilian life for good. Democracy will live on.
@@Nachtmahr79last year or two maybe. Decade nah. Way more interesting games than helldiver's the 10s were a powerhouse.
I'm personally going back to drg. Less high explosives but more mission variety.
@@siegfread9683 it's why I'm looking for old consoles and physical copies of games that require no internet.
Arrowhead: *makes a wonderful epic game*
Sony: “this is OURS”
Aaaand helldivers 2 vanishes as PC-only divers walk back to civvie life
It was fun while it lasted. To be fair, HD2 was a really fun game. I'll miss it. o7
Civvie? Hell No, I'm going back to Hoxxes! C'mon lads, FOR ROCK AND STONE!
While you might think that unfortunately 99% of people don't give a toss really. Not saying that what Sony did is right but the people screeching are a loud minority. Truth is most people just create an account and keep playing.
@@aleksiheija8170 you dont seem to know steam users very well 😂
@@ahyesiseeisee557 There will be a dent sure but I know people. Majority will just keep playing. The game is too good not to. (Still I am saying what Sony is doing is bs) I feel bad for the people who have a region lock on psn.
Personally I think Arrowhead shielded us from this from the beginning, there weren't "technical difficulties" with pairing accounts, they just claimed that so that the game could reach a wider audience because they love this game, even if they have a bit of a narrow vision for its experience. They kept the feature disabled as long as they could, probably thinking they had more time until they saw how popular the game got. They knew then it was only a matter of time before the greedy CEOs, who are ruining the gaming industry, would taint everything with their shitty practices. And there's probably a contract they hand to uphold that they can't afford to fight being a small studio against Sony. Hopefully one of those CEOs realizes Helldivers can't be successful if done their way and allow AH to return to the way they were managing it before. And hopefully AH can learn to compromise on their vision of the gameplay experience
grow up.
@@zoltanz288 you're probably right, no CEO is ever gonna accept that their greed caused a product to fail and so decided to change strategy on the sale and management of said product
I would beleive that if the arrowhead high brass wasn't always coming out on discord and belitteling and talking straight shit to the players who don't agree with this or any other shittty decision they have made in the past. You know the ones who paid his house payments and bills. Those are the ones worthy of their managers mockery.
Yall sticking up for these CEOs and companies that don't give a shit about you or anyone of us!
It just sucks to see soo many simp for litterally nothing in return.
I've had to link to every major platform in the past already due to other games. Frankly, this kind of thing has become the norm and I'm kind of shocked that people are getting this bent out of shape over it.
Really starting to get tired of the "shut up, consume product" and "get over it or leave" crowds. Edit: And anyone who wants to argue against a strawman too, but to a lesser degree
And yet they are the same people saying the community is the least toxic. This especially is a valid concern to be voiced.
I know seen them in all the helldivers news channels it's getting annoying
its valid yes, but there are more important concerns, like if i will be able to eat breakfast tomorrow, 5 minutes to set up an account doesnt seem like much, even more when compared to the fact that the usa doesnt have healthcare lol.
@@butter1339 and their most valid argument is "it was requirement on steam page", like we can't read, And their other arguments are usually just insulting PC players lol. Well they can defend Super earth from 3 sides on their when almost 2/3rd of active helldivers are gone. There are other good games out there, like darktide and deep rock.
You dont have to shut up and leave but its imo stupid to go full Karen outrage on this now when it has been a 'requirement' since the start, why were you not boycotting the game from day 1 and doing petitions to have it changed before this?
Just seems like the same kind of outrage some have over the anti-cheat but delayed a few months after the fact.
I do not like either of them but its the reality we live in, going ham on the game that has little to do with it is just misdirected since its Sony pulling the strings... perhaps like you I am not invested enough to start looking up ways to complain to them but unlike you I am not filling the Steam forums or review bombing the game because it was the most obvious scapegoat put in front of me.
@@TheHuffur I mean, I'm just pointing out bad attitudes towards people. I've never left a review on steam or posted on any forum about it. And yes, this is 100% on Sony. I don't really play anyway, just keeping up with the news on it because the devs deserve support for the good decisions they have made
Putting words in the mouths of others doesn't help.
This isn't anything new coming from Sony, as long as they have a hand in the development of the game. They'll try and control it, regardless of what the main developing studio wants. Only recently the censorship of Stellar Blade from the developer Shift Up comes to mind, so them asserting their power over Arrowhead isn't exactly a surprise.
My country is not available for registration in Sony. but at the same time, the game is officially sold on steam in my country. I haven't been asked to link my account yet, but I'm very nervous.
If all comrades join together and just didn't play, I think it would scare the pants off them seeing the servers empty. They might reconsider 🤔
Yeah, I'm not making a Sony account. I can think of few companies where my information would be less safe.
Everyone gets hacked now.
im not making one as well im done with hell divers.
not to mention the 100+ countries where you could buy the game on steam but where you cant make i sony account. And using VPN is against Sony's TOS
@@aaronwalsh8469 Sony was the company that their main account the one that had access to all information, it's password to long in was PASSWORD.
Lmao all of y’all are just screaming “Please keep it a PS console exclusive”
I've been playing PC games on Steam for 14 years. Never once have I had to make a Playstation Network account.
Not starting now.
Helldivers 2 was fun while it lasted
especialy not with a Corporation that get's hacked nearly once a year
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand? Why is everyone so scared to make a PlayStation account? Lol
Worried about getting hacked, idk I connected it from the start, have had sony products from the start and never had an issue. @@NicBillJim
@@NicBillJimapparently PlayStation gets hacked a lot, idk man, I was just reading the comments and that’s what they said
@@NicBillJim psn has a notorious history of being hacked... Also some countries cannot register to psn...
Great video! I loved the quality and your voice fits this type of content perfectly, please make more of these videos, I really enjoyed watching it!
To the citizens and Helldivers of Super Earth:
Always remember:
WE DIVE TOGETHER OR NOT AT ALL
Being maxed out on medals while grinding for super credits internally kills me man...
Sounds like Arrowhead kind of has their hands tied...I mean they are an indie studio so can you really blame them? I vote we all SPAM SONY until they drop the requirement
Exactly!!
I agree
Sony will never care. The only thing sony hates more than it's customers are their western customers
Then they should have turned the notifications on since the beginning. They are in with Sony
Arrowhead agreed to this from the beginning. Sony only understands $$, so no, comment spamming Sony does nothing. Review bombing the game, refunds, and refusing to buy the new warbond send a clear message. You do you.
Can't believe they tanked this game like that. Guess we won't get to see the future of this super cool concept. The execs strike again. Didn't even get to the third faction lol.
Don't feel it as much as I had my account linked long long ago and honestly, haven't had any issues.
I do sympathize with those who are not allowed to create PSN accounts and I'm sure arrowhead will make some exception for those.
I fully agree that Forcing players to do something they don't want over some BS reasoning is something that deserves this lash back, and it's quite concerning if you consider what other bombshells Sony will implement in the future.
I think it's safe to say that we have now been introduced to the scourge that will cause the death of Helldivers, if not now, then in the future.
With all that said, I would love to see this push back to be redirected to Sony rather than Arrowhead. It's a great studio with a Love for the game, so don't shoot the messenger, take it up with the source.
The Tenderizer looks like it is from Starship Troopers NOT Halo...
Literally the simplest thing they could have done to prevent this issue would have been to instead disable cross play for those that don't have a PSN account.
You're missing the point. If you think it's "for player safety", you really bought into the propaganda. Steam has been hacked once, Sony PSN has been hacked NINE TIMES. it's not about safety, it's to boost PSN player counts to impress investors and shareholders. They're literally just pimping us out for pocket change.
Absolutely correct. But the requirement isn't about crossplay...
It's about boosting PSN account numbers to make Sony look good to their shareholders.
I feel so bad for Arrowhead. If people boycott or quit HD2, the devs suffer too when it wasn't even their fault. Sony is to blame.
Screw democracy, screw HD2 and screw arrowhead
My thoughts exactly. Fuck you Sony!
@@rico5393arrowhead didn’t even do anything wrong here
@rico5393 wrong target sony arrowhead loves you sony sees you as $$$
Boycotting injustice is the basis of DEMOCRACY! DEMOCRACY shall be served to Sony! The harder the boycott hits, the faster Sony should change their decision!
Helldivers fight against hordes of soulless enemies of humanity: The Bugs. The Bots. And now, The Suits.
Refunds are already happening by now apparently, regardless of hours played, but HD2 has also been de-listed from **170 countries**...
It's probably one of the best games i played in years. It's addicting, simple yet very fun, and yet i still hope and pray that this game doesn't go from great to a complete dumspter fire because of controversial calls like this
It's outside Arrowheads call here. This was a Sony decision.
It happens to every game sony touches, no matter how great it is. How they haven't gone defunct from consistently ruining games and franchises is beyond me, and if I said I didn't see something like this coming for helldivers I'd be lying. Oh well, guess I'm out 40 bucks...
@@sirfrancis8732honestly it probably inly cause they own and sell mpre then just games or they would of failed a long time ago
Guys news turns out they are not moving forward with the mandate I think we won
@@jjtay97able hopefully but i dont think things are going to feel the same
Those who give up freedom for safety deserve neither and loses both.
Like another commented, Ben Franklin quote. And you left out the end of it. "Deserves neither and loses both."
I get the sentiment, but all of human civilization is based upon sacrificing freedoms for security. You enjoy owning property? You gave up your freedom to take other people's stuff. Enjoy not being murdered? You also don't have the freedom to murder people. It's a catchy quote that falls apart under even the most superficial scrutiny outside of extremely specific contexts. Obviously there are limits, and beyond a certain point it holds true, but people constantly invoke it well below that threshold as a crutch to support otherwise baseless arguments.
(Not saying you're wrong in this instance, the quote itself just irks me for how often it's used to justify complete nonsense)
@@flarpo11
What a ST00PED response. You must be a communist.
That's not the quote. You misquoted it.
Are we really pretending that Sony cares about security? I happen to remember one of the biggest hacks in history as Sony HID it from the victims.
For all the people that say “Oh it was in the store page on day one” If I said that kids aren’t allowed on a ride yet not enforce this rule while actively promoting the ride to said kids. Only to take it away from them months later is that fair?
Make fun of Tarkov developers, repeat the same type of mistakes.
CEO says to go to playstation's support pages, but I spent 5 minutes looking, and still couldn't figure out how to actually contact a person. Incredible. And I'd have to contact that amazing Sony support if anything happened to my Helldivers account.
Yeah that's the point. the CEO of Arrowhead was pointing you to Sony because they're the ones that want you to link. They're the ones saying you HAVE to link it when before, it was not a requirement. Arrowhead does not deserve blame here. That's the point of the post made by him.
It was nice playing with the PC folks while it lasted. There's not a single PC player that will go for this, they just lost a lot of fantastic Helldivers.
Seriously? Most people will cooperate, it's just another unnecessary account, just like all the other live services. Call them sheep if you want, but you'll see.
@@George_M_ yeah that's my bad, I thought it was a PS+ account
Lost a lot of traitors you mean. Those same people are gonna go hop back on warzone, which forces them to link their accounts to a 3rd part as well but also mocks their intelligence with 30 dollar skins dog shit textures and is ran by a bunch of groomers, and bend over for daddy Activision begging to get pegged. Good fucking riddance
Clearly your stuck in your own world. Lots of us are gonna keep playing.
@@JulioTorres-gl6ke clearly you're infallible and therefore must reach out to all us peons to let us know we are dirt. So, thank you for blessing me with your time and energy!! (it's you're btw)
There are at least 5 other ways to handle this, one of which is just disabling crossplay except for PSN players who deliberately select it despite knowing the "risks." They could even limit it to 18+ accounts. They could even just remove crossplay altogether and I'd be happier than this stupidity.
Also, I have never once appealed a ban on a big platform and even gotten recognized by a human being, let alone have it actually reviewed and repealed. This is beyond tyrannical and will lead to ban abuse and ban griefing.
Same
I’ve come across games where there are triple the amount of mission samples sitting at exfill, players are invincible, even saw one flying a round the map at Mach 4 collecting samples. It’s bad enough that I get kicked from games for a simple silly hitting you off a non lethal edge or hitting you right before exfill. If this system changes I feel like things will get more toxic
Exactly. If PC users are such a danger to PlayStation users then end support for cross play.
I’m so sick to death of billion dollar corporations treating us like children and hiding behind buzzwords like “safety”
If they get rid of crossplay, then the PlayStation version dies. There are more players on Helldivers 2 from STEAM then there are PlayStation players on Sea of Thieves.
@@RichSmithson Lol you think it's because of PC players? No. Sony wants credit for a game they had very little (if anything) to do with all so they can act like they're doing better than Microsoft. Instead, they're sinking ever since the Courts allowed Microsoft to buy Activision (and subsidiaries). This is all just some stupid way to artificially inflate numbers to look good. It won't last.
This whole "Console War" garbage is ridiculous. Sony need to ditch their cringy Superiority Complex...
There is a reason people don’t own a PlayStation system and account. It is a violation to force someone to while data mining their personal information.
And refusing to beef up security to try and protect it. Which is how and why Sony keep getting hacked.
This shit was cool for 20 levels.... After that you've done all there is to do, I was kinda out long before updates.
The Automatons hitting us IRL with a recruitment inhibitor and desertion mechanism. This is getting serious!
It was fun while it lasted boys. I'll see you on the next frontier
Yup smfh
No, super earth.... was Joel.... right?
Word
@@tsunertoo9149 Seems like it... All my fight agains the Automatons and it was us fighting for the baddies all along...
Yep, I'm done. Going back to Deep Rock Galactic.
Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind the movie knew this day was coming.
CLEMENTINE: This is it, Joel. It's going to be gone soon.
JOEL: I know.
CLEMENTINE: What do we do?
JOEL: Enjoy it.
“You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!”
I'm not buying their explanation on linking accounts. At all. As it was pointed out their servers have been involved in high profile breaches. Nope, not going to create a whole new account for a system I don't own.
So when is the outrage party for Microsoft requiring XBL accounts? If imbeciles are going to cry, cry equally about everything
So make a burner email address…don’t tie a payment or actual information to it.
@@Bmpaul02 burner email address isn't the answer. Not to mention that does fuck nothing to conceal your identity regardless of what you think. I will not have another goddamn account/launcher installed just to play a game. Everyone has to have their proprietary launcher (spyware) installed to make their games run. Already just for the three games I play I have their launchers, their storefront bullshit, and whatever anti-cheat they use. Seems to recall some anti-cheat a while back that was installing malware. That said you can take that suggestion somewhere else. Tired of bullshit accounts just to play a damn game.
Forgot to add some of these services require you to have payment method on file. Xbox being one and I'm sure PSN is another. Fuck that.
So now I have to create an account I wont, use for a console I don't own, to play a steam game I enjoy? Great. Why even launch it on pc if your just going to force outdated requirements.
Like ea and all their games
@@INSYA Yeh and we don't like it, but at least it's for the platform we play on.
Friday afternoon there were 110,000 players on Erata Prime. As of Friday night when player count usually balooms by about 3x, the number of players on Erata Prime was still roughly 110,000. This PSN business is already hurting the game.
Crazy how I haven’t seen your videos in years. I used to play division 1&2 and always enjoyed your content on it. Nice to see you covering helldivers 2
Sony is selling the game on the Polish Steam store. You cannot link your steam and PSN accounts in Poland. That is shady as fuck
Use a vpn…
@@Bmpaul02 And do it against the hd2 license rules. Yeah, sure.
@@KalifZor ikr? these ignorant mfs who goes "erm... just use a vpn 🤓" or "just make a throwaway account🤓" be mad annoying.
Same thing in the Philippines
@@nekros8602 @nekros8602 sadly, they are everywhere. I don't have patience for this, im going back to civilian. Take care there, Divers
When I heard "safety and security" from Sony I immediately thought of Anakin and Darth Sideous who say similar things while they destroy democracy and make an empire
Sony really is the "managed" part of democracy
"The Republic wil be reorganized into the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE. To ensure a safe and secure society."
Yep at leas the empire did someshit but sony and their dogshit always getting hacked network fuck that
They said this would happen day one. The game page even has it highlighted. If you missed that, it's on you. Only a handful of their games require linking. But it's just linking an account. I have a psn account solely for use to link to games. I've never used the account for anything else. I ditched the email for it 10 years ago. Costs me nothing other than the 5 mins it took to create the account 10 years ago.
Not to mention Sony changing their websites to go from "optional linking" to "might be required"
It still means it's optional but I get your point.
I hate Sony for this kind of bullshit they would do to Planetside. You would buy weapons with real cash and then after enough people bought the weapon, they would nerf it into uselessness because they had to admit, they juiced up weapons to sell them.
I'm so glad I got out from under Planetside 2. And the fact that they destroyed the entire franchise to the point that a Planetside 3 would never happen disgusts me. That whole franchise was amazing, and SOE / Daybreak destroyed it with neglect, greed and asshattery. Oh and FUCK Higby.
Yep
My email was used to make some fake account that I've never been able to access.
Once this goes through, my Level 66 Fleet Admiral will be lost to the cold void of space forever.
Go make a new Email and Sony account to link to so you don't lose access. Then join the boycott when the last day to register gets here. Help make the player count plummet so Arrowhead can use it as legal grounds to have a court throw out the contract.
I'm in a similar position. Teenage me made a psn and used a different birthday. 15 years later, I can't recover my account with my old card info that not even the bank carries. I'm not really inclined to make an email just for this game and Sony. 200 hours well played. I got my money's worth.
Tard redditor drama queens I swear
@@jaelee1996 Literally just make a new psn account with fake info. Ya'll a bunch of whiny babies how have you made it this far.
@@TheNani_ that's the problem. no one wants to. why would you give your info out to a company known for being breached?
Didn't the same thing happen with WarThunder? Full uncontrolled dive into the depth of the negative reviews on steam.
They came out and said that players that cannot make PSN account won't have to. Thanks for confirming this for us Sony...it's complete and utter bullshit.
Sony can pound sand. I was enjoying the PVE and community, but I'm not giving my info to Sony. Never again.
Oh no
Your info is already everywhere
Yeah you will. It'll happen the next time you don't read.
Bye bye
have you given your info to Google? lets not forget that class action law suit they were in last year...
what about Facebook? Instagram? are you worried about them? Diver, get ahold of yourself. your info is already out there. Sony's just asking that all players register an account with them.
We didn't even make it to our first Liberty Day 😭
I bought The Division 2 during a major steam sale for my steam deck... Ubisoft forced me to create a Ubisoft account to play the game. This is nothing new. It's annoying but it's the way it goes with certain publishers. Ubisoft is not trying to control me. Sony's not trying to control me. But they are using my data for their own gain. If they have access to my playing habits my email etc , well that benefits the way they market to me in the future... Or sell my data in the meantime. That's how some publishers do business. That's the way that they get some of their investment back. If we don't like it, we can skip buying games that require linking accounts or creating accounts etc. it's not a microtransaction, it's not censorship, it's not control, it's access to data... And yes it's funny to hear Sony talk about security. But let's hope they've learned their lesson after they've paid a heavy price for All of their lost data.
Being forced to make an account with Ubi to play their game on a different platform that isn't their Launcher is them having control over you. Or did you live under a rock when Ubi said they're not only shutting down an entire game (The Crew) AND removing it from every person's library? Why didn't you skip the Division 2? Even though you can play that game "offline" you won't be able once Ubi has had enough and shuts down the servers to it. You are either incredibly stupid or just plain naive. Maybe a bit of both.
WE DIVE TOGETHER OR WE DONT DIVE AT ALL
It's been a pleasure gentlemen, hopefully by helldivers 3 arrowhead can crawl out from under Sony's thumb
Arrowhead has always made terrible business decisions so I suspect the rights to the Helldivers IP will stay with Sony.
Let's hope they replace their community manager too then.
Said this elsewhere, but I'll post it everywhere, as someone with a PSN/Sony account, i do not want them linked to my Steam account at all. Been almost a decade since I even used that account but all recent emails about it are about how I'm eligible for settlement money from one of the many lawsuits against Sony and how they've been hacked repeatedly.
I was one of the people effected by Sonys massive ps3 hack over 10 years ago. Within months I was getting notifications saying someone was trying to log into all my stuff and I had to change all my passwords etc.
Angered me so much it drove me to PC gaming and iv never gone back.
I am 100% not linking my steam to Sony.
Iv never had a breach on Steam and iv been on there 11 years now. Had 1 breach with Sony after owning a PS3 for a year.
One corporation i trust, the other outside of movies I have nothing to do with anymore. @@phantomreaver85
@@phantomreaver85It doesn't matter if it could happen to any company, because it hasn't happened to all of them. Each company has different practices and levels of security, and Sony has a track record of getting hacked.
In the past Steam has sometimes given refunds when something like this happens. It's a longshot sure, but it doesn't hurt to try if you want to. The worst they can say is no.