Installing Customer Supplied Parts? What Could Go Wrong? I Had To Finish The Job To Find Out.
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2023
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One of my favourite things to watch and learn, the finer detail, without being rushed.
Thank You Ken; Your videos have saved me a great deal of money. Completely rebuilding a 1975 Blazer posi rear end. Jim
If you're on Facebook, please post pictures of your Blazer on Wrenching with Kenny. We would love to see the rebuild. Thanks for watching!
And yes. I can not wear gloves like the snowflake techs of today!
@tonywestvirginia no need to call people names...
Somebody has some "EXPERIENCE!!!!!!" Keep Rockin Dog!!!!!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Kenny, you are brutally honest with the viewers to help them avoid mistakes...that is a very noble characteristic and shows just how honest you are. Well done and if I may say so, you had me laughing when you were squeezing the gear oil bottle and you said "like a night after Taco Bell". What a great sense of humor! Phenomenal video. Yet again, why the hell would the manufacturer change the spline count on the axles when the 2002 and the 2005 are basically the same vehicle? If you read my comment, you'll clearly see that I watched the entire video.
I don't mind the length of the video and I appreciate the honesty of filming any mistakes made. That's how we learn (novices).
One favourite, watched 3 times. ❤
When an axle seal has been leaking I always make sure to check that the vent tube is not restricted causing pressure to build up in the rear end
I had to rewind back to the spot where you mounted the axels and see what you said about the other axel spline mismatched diameter.
Felt bad about it for a minute.
You won’t forget to check next time, so just let go of bad feelings. Great job explaining everything and thank you for taking the time to show us how it’s supposed to be worked on.
Dude that's so fun to watch you have a bad day like me you make me feel young again thank you God bless . Peace peace be with you my son. Good stuff
Great video - Thanks for sharing the small details. So important for those of us that actually need to do this job! Keep up the awesome content. This is one of the top wrenching channels now!
I love your honesty
You are an excellent mechanic
I enjoy watching your videos
I have learned a lot
Thank you
Btw i do my own wrenching and i am 70
I work on old Peugeots
That’s incredible that they had the part you needed in stock! Definitely changed a bad moment to a better one. You knew exactly what to do to fix the problem and that’s what matters and makes you the expert. Good video 👍
What I’ve found works really well on a bearing cage that gets stuck like that is to run a bead with a stick welder part way around. The bearing will shrink and be easy to remove.
Welding a bead in outer race works great. I've done it on tapered roller races. I've always used wire welder. Flux core or gas shielded works well.
Ditto. Did the same on motorcycle neck bearings, and a couple of motorcycle wheel bearing that seemed to be hopelessly melded to the hub.
@@davidbenes580 either way. It works great. Saves grinding an nicking the surface
I've done that also. Works really well.
Awesome tip. Thanks.
Nice work , notice he doesn`t rush the job, meticulous work. Remember the muscle car era Fords had 28 and 31 spline axles, don`t mix them up. Thanks Kenny.
So, the pin in the middle keeps the axles (and C-clips) in place ... and takes the wear and tear of the axle pressure (laterally) as the gears spin ... must be a strong pin not to wear out.
This was a good video with an honest mistake from an honest mechanic. What more could you ask for? Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
Or could you ask for a better repair😂
Nice to see what the 8.8 is like. I have worked on a Ford 9", dana 60, dodge 8.75 , never on a 8.8. Here in Texas we use our parking brake once a year in the safety inspection.
Awesome video, an hour is not bad at all when you have this kind of content. Keep wrenchin'
I saw all that sparkly metal coming out of the hole and then I saw the oil filter. I thought, holy crap they're putting oil filters on rear ends now 😱
Did I miss something, what oil filter?
When the bearing race shatters like the one you have (and it does happen often) I just use a long pipe that I stick in from the opposite end of the axle to knock it out.
You need to climb out of bed on the opposite side in the morning to get your luck going in the right direction again. 😂😂 Learned a lot from this one thanks Kenny.
Very informative. You're such a humble fella, you just earned another sub.
Thanks brother!
Thanks for a great video. This is a good example of learning not to skip steps during assembly-- if you have already learned the possibilities of wrong parts..
We're all human brother. If we didn't make mistakes, assume things then we wouldn't be human. Keep wrenching and keep the videos coming.
I've been working at a body shop for a bit now and extra tips I learned was if you're painting the door, it's better to take off the mirror and belt molding (the trim at the bottom of the window) for a better paint job in the end. The mirror can get in the way, and if you're unlucky, the clear coat could stick in that gap between the door and the belt molding.
Cost more
Pay attention to the small details. Check and recheck. But most of all keep up the good work 👍
When I had my Auto Electrical workshop years ago, we would have customers turn up with their own alternator or starter and ask how much to fit them. Generally we would quote an exorbitant price to fit them as under the state law we would could be liable to warrant the parts supplied by them.
Kenny, a 2003 Lincoln Town Car had a TSB for bad axles it's a known problem just FYI love your videos thank you
The Karma you generate by CARING about your clients, is what produced the 'co-incidence' of that axle being there!
IMHO, after having installed the incorrect customer supplied parts, you deserved a huge break!! Well Done, Sir!
(Yes, the Universe IS weird!)
Great tip about taking nothing for granted. Great luck in your local parts store having exactly what you needed in stock. And you’ll always, always turn both axle shafts in future axle replacement jobs to ensure compatibility.
Or slide the gear over the splines on the axle BEFORE reassembling.
Kenny, I have just recently found your channel and started watching your videos, they are very informative, and you do justice to an industry that so many of us are passionate about besides it being our career to earn a living. Mechanics/technicians have been unrecognized for their dedication and sheer amount of knowledge required to perform maintenance and repairs on vehicles, not to mention the vast amount of tools and the cost associated with them. Great to see a positive representation.
** While watching the video I noticed the parking brake shoes and hardware are installed incorrectly and/or incorrect parts installed. (time stamp 13:57-best view at 21:21) Spring contacting the brake adjuster, pink spring contacting the shoe, looks like shoes are on the wrong way if they are the correct parts, possible wrong parts due to the axle year issue mentioned. Also, you mentioned in the video the customer does not care about the parking brake and is possibly due to it not functioning properly?
Keep up the great content.
Man that was funny 😂 the night after Taco Bell good one. 😂😂
...and when you installed the C-clip, the axle centered in the tube, masking the error. Definitely a learning experience.
I actually saw that they didn’t look evenly across, but thought it was down to the camera angle and the shadows causing it.
I watched till the end. I learned a lot. Thanks.
Those older rear ends would freeze up the vent tubes during the winter , when I was a mechanic in the early seventy's in the Yukon the roads had a sever crown on the road and would result hardly any oil on the high side starving the axle bearing , we would just over fill it , it was always the drivers side rear bearing that would self destruct .
We had to shut those off before towing. The air lines used to pop off frequently also. Cool vid Kenny thanks👍
From Leo: You have my sympathy for getting burned with the wrong parts. You are more of a mechanic than I will ever be, but I use a loop of wire cable to drag rags through the axle tubes. It works pretty good
Thanks for the educational videos.
Nice one Kenny. Its not a long vid dude, the content is excellent and time goes by, you do not notice it.
If you do split Vids, for many they will unsubscribe, I certainly do. It is the wrong tactic.
.If you look at Andrew Camarata stuff, he has 1.3M subs and his vids are usually an hour long.
His YT friends all helped him - 'Buying a roller' and its funny as 4 RUclipsrs on one vehicle were all tripping over their lighting rigs.
Yu have to watch the other youtubers content, Dumpster Dave and Cerebralailment vids to see them in action.
New viewer to your channel. Love the "no bullshit " approach to what you do. Spun many a spanner in my day and you bring back some memories, good and bad. Seen the bad, had to explain why it was bad. Seen the good as well. Keep at it, look forward to the next video.
Fluid Film spray cans have an available nozzle that consists of a plastic tube that connects to the can spray nozzle and on the end of the plastic tube there is a nozzle that sprays in all directions perpendicular to the tube. Something like that might be useful to use in cleaning out those tubes with that nozzle connected to the brake clean cans.
SUGGESTION: Make end of broomstick look like a screwdriver. Then you can also rotate the rags while moving them through the axle.
11:15 That's horrible! It's been two decades since I've pulled out an 8.8" axle, but I honestly do not remember ever coming across that issue with the stud impinging on something, preventing the axle to move into place to get out the C clips.
Some days are diamonds others are crap & like others no doubt have commented you wouldn't be human if you didn't make the odd mistake.Again a good learning video for newbies.
The right SIZE puller is everything!🤕
Ain't it great to be human. Great video Kenny
U need to use axle saver bearings part # is RP 6408 for the 8.8 rear axle. The bearing and seal are combined and it makes it where it holds more oil on the bearing its just a better bearing
Yes it is known as a service or repair bearing, it utilizes a different spot on the shaft to prevent leaks
Excellent work and very enjoyable video...
Thanks for the video Kenny well done 👍. Take care of yourself and family and be Blessed ❤️❤️ it.
Lots of Lincoln owners replaced the air ride because it was prone to multiple failures. The bags leaked, the exhaust solenoids corroded and leaked, the compressors burned up, and the desiccant didn’t last. Moisture was the killer on that system. After my bags and compressor went, I installed what was called a spider valve, that exhausted the air in a much different way, plus a water separator in another part of the system. I think the company that sold the stuff was called American air suspension or similar. May be out of business now though.
Labor always goes up when owner supplies parts! I know this from past experiences.
That’s because they have markups on parts, if you supply the part, they don’t get that $$
I like a very clean your very thorough
Awesome video Kenny, very nice and thorough with detailed explanations. I watched the whole thing. Too bad you ran into a problem with parts. But a bad situation turned into a good outcome at the end. I try myself not to use customer's supplied parts because it has bitten me in the butt many times. I always advise the customer about that if they provide parts and if something goes south from the customer's parts then they're going to pay me for the down time or pay me to do the job twice. Everybody's situation will vary though especially if it's a good loyal customer. Unfortunately working with customers and cars comes with the territory. 🙂
Kenny, you’re a solid mechanic, a lot of skill,and experience, but I just can’t handle gear oil on brake shoes, even if the owner doesn’t use the park brake.
Great video ! I have been there , done that with customer supplied parts .
Dude! Stuff happens! Arent you glad you used grease on the diff. Cover gasket. Great video!
Actually, I am lol !!!
Would have been simple to check the spider gear fitment on the new axle while you had it out, had you thought about it possibly being a problem beforehand.
I've watched a few of your videos on problems with parts and your points are well taken. I had a customer supply a rebuilt starter and six months later it went bad.
Having a warranty doesn't help you with labor cost and inconvenience of being stuck some place. After replacing three starters the customer finally bit the bullet and got a new starter and the come backs ended.
HI Kenny, I did had an issue like that with either the man trans of the axles on my 65 mustang.I remember 28 and 30 splines.except i couldn't mate the 2,after 20 minutes of scratching my head i decided to count them,sure enough they where different.I thought to my self ,why the hell don't they put a paint color code like pink and blue.I must have had 28 s and tried to put in 30s.I'm sure glad you didn't edit that out,WE not only learn from OUR mistakes BUT from OTHERS.thanks
@@thomaslamb8337 that’s real neato! what applications had sterling axles?
Good Job, metal in the oil can really cause issues.
Hey! The most important thing is that you were aware of the mistake!
As a technician myself…
I would teach myself to listen to the customer!
Sometimes they had hidden information to the cause of the problem.
As for customer bringing their own parts… I would always double check them.
Also, I always had to do a troubleshooting investigation on the customer’s tv when I learned that they had their hands in it trying to fix it!!
The minute I learned that the customer tried to fix it himself or another technician tried to fix it…, I was always at guard looking for misdiagnosis, extra problems, etc.,
What about spraying acetone to clean the tubes out followed by break clean that way you go through less break clean and save some money?
I would use acetone as well, much cheaper than brakeclean
It was fortunate that it worked out.
I've had problems with axle seals leaking but now I just put a little silicone on the seal where slides into the axle tube and I never have a problem. You cannot depend on the OEM coating on the seal body to form a leak free joint with the axle tube. The silicone fills in any irregularities.
Good video,
Yup! What are the chances? A good one for the ‘Twilight Zone’. Keep smiling and keep up the good work, my friend.
Mainly watched to see how you cleaned out metal shavings. You did about the same as I always have. I use a piece of pcv pipe with a couple small holes to wire a rag to it. And lots of brake clean. If you do many of these, I got a bearing puller from I think name is ATK. Was about 25.00 It is about like slide hammer attachment on the end. Then has a washer like piece and a jam nut. Tighten another nut and pulls bearing out in one piece. Works much better than slide hammer. And I agree with you on gloves. They suck. Usually end up ripping anyway.
very good job. smart man
I had a 05 Lincoln rear end that started howling . I bought a totally rebuilt rear end because I could find find a shop to rebuild it!I paid a shop to swap the total rear end
The early built 2003 panthers had a Tsb for soft metal axles from supplier causing premature wear. I saw this car was an early built 2003 Town car cartier, nice car.
31 spline count was used on crowns grands and towns built after 12/6/2004 (so earlier built 2005s. 12/4/2004 and older have 28 spline.
Interesting thanks for sharing. I’m not in the US but I’ve always had a soft spot for this era of cars particularly the town and crown vic.
In Australia I believe there was 3 changes to the spline count across just the “commodore” range, during the 80s and 90s
Good job Kenny, shit happens, but you overcame the problem.
Might explain the wrong studs to install on the axle in the previous post ? Thanks for sharing !
As soon as you took the rear tires off I noticed that rear end looked like it was replaced. It was much cleaner than the rest of the undercarriage.
man, at least you caught a break at the very end. Wow, what a mix up ! A recall an engineer telling me ," Never assume anything ." And here it is again ?
Use a tygon tube on the end of the gear oil bottle and you can get all of the oil into the diff.
@14:22 getting that outer race out. A length of 1/2" or 3/4" Schedule 40 pipe slightly longer than the width of the axle, rest one end against the inside of the race and light repeat hammer taps from the far side! Quick and simple. 👍 @19:35 the same Sch 40 pipe is real handy to drive the rags through. @45:53 A pot of heating water with your gear lube bottles in will make the lube flow much easier.
I always grease the axel bearings when I put them in. That way they are lubricated before the gear oil gets to them.
It’s a shame you had to do all the extra work, even if / when you’ve ordered the parts always a great idea to check as even the parts store gets things wrong! Still enjoy your videos and your knowledge 👍😀
Good video, but a bummer on the customer supplied parts.
I generally don’t use brake cleaner because it doesn’t clean everything out. It’s not a very good solvent. I like to use starting fluid because it really does a good job of cleaning. Then I will go behind it with brake cleaner.
Thanks. from. Australia. good. Job
Love your videos!!
I thought it only happens to me sh t like that!
Check the axel vent also. A
32:34 ...and also use this in a well ventilated area because WOOOO 🙂
I like long vids. Always interesting though , long or short.
Never too old to learn! 🙃
😂😅🤣"The night after Taco Bell!!!"
I had a 2007 Lincoln Town Car and it was very strange when one of the rear wheel bearings went out. It didn't make the usual growling sound at first. It didn't make any sound it was bad until the bearing was cutting into the axle shaft. I had hardly any major issues with it. I wound up selling with 464,000 miles on it to a guy that wanted to restore it. It still ran and drove just as it did when I bought it with 52,000 miles on it. The Ford Panther Platform cars were built very well.
When I did my rear wheel bearings on my Town Car and even my 2001 Crown Victoria, I used a long broom stick handle with rags on the one end of it to clean out the axle tubes.
Sounds like the guy might be running larger tires and rims on the Lincoln??? Just like when people run big tires and rims on trucks! Looks great, but lots of stress on those bearings. I could be wrong. Lol
Didn't see that coming....things like this seem to happen regularly to everyone...big repair jobs always have to play out
The specific term for the "spider" gears is the differential pinion gears (because they are located in the differential section of the rear end which allows the differential speeds of the rear wheels when cornering). This differentiates it from the drive pinion (which drives the ring gear). Other parts of the differential assembly are the differential housing (to which the ring gear is mounted and the differential side gears(commonly called the axle gears), which mate with the diff. pinion gears to give the differential action to the wheels.
You can definitely see where the Axle Shaft is a tiny bit smaller in diameter.
Ive found that dry micrfiber towels work quite well and saves on brake kleen
I have the same problem wearing gloves. Super sweaty hands, hyperhidrosis. It was much worse when I was younger, now I’m on blood pressure medicine, which is a bonus side effect, reduces the sweating.
SPLINES...HOOOEEEEE....GOOD SAVE!!!
I used to do a large police departments training/track vehicles(Crown Vics). They would need axles bearings and seals ever 1000 miles.
We chg triple labor for cust supplied pts to cover time researching if they're correct and cover parts profit that pays shop rent,utilities, etc
I have a 2008 grand marquis. Rear axles are a common problem with the 8.8 rear axle.
It's all about recovery Ken
Leaking axle seals are common for crown Victoria's and Lincolns.