BUILDING A BMW POWERED DEFENDER - PART 3
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Hey guys we're back with this Defender 90! In this series we're showing you how we swap a 2.4 TDCI for a BMW X5 Engine!
In today's episode I show you how we wire the fuel pump relay, finalise the installation and start to build this car back up to get her running! We fit some shiny bits at the end of the video but unfortunately we've got a big problem to sort out!
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Love the honesty and truth behind an engine swap. Nothing runs smooth and this shows the experience and expertise needed for a full swap. Well done lads 👏👏
To be honest, it should have been practically flawless, But you do get companies / people that take the piss. Which makes things a lot more expensive that it really needed to be. I could not believe they had to fuck about with the wiring, to me that should have been already done for him, and that's just for starters. Going from my experience with the engine conversion i did in another make of car, See one running 1st that has the same engine conversion, and ask them questions etc. Then if possible buy a donor car, and the bits etc. Expect it to be more than you budgeted it for too, as it will, and keep hold of the end goal. I nearly binned my conversion twice!
@@procta2343 exactly right, I'm currently doing a conversion with an m57 and bought the standalone harness and emulated ECU. I have cranking but no start and just about every sensor on the engine showing fault codes and because of all the cranking the battery died and the emulator lost sync with the ECU so it needs sending back.
We used a donor car that was in perfect working order yet the company who supplied the loom are saying the sensors must be faulty. Their after sales customer service is literally non existent.
I’m saddened that the vehicle didn’t start but utterly astonished by your diagnostic skills after a steep learning curve. The finished product is going to be fantastic and look OEM, can’t wait to see and hear it running 👍🏻🏴
Must be honest - bit of a spoiler.
Don't get down guys, you will get there, the build is looking great.
Nice exhaust, i fitted a Janspeed straight through to a 200tdi in 2005 and got laughed at!! I was just ahead of the curve
I've done a few Cummins conversions 6bt and the more complex Isbe6, you always get issues but you sort them as you go.....its not the end of the world.
Absolutely loving this series of videos - I’d have loved to have converted my 90 but couldn’t justify the cost and seeing the work that’s gone in by you guys I can see where the money is,
Bloody brilliant and can’t wait to see the next instalment - keep going guys !
Thanks Graham! It’s been a testing car! 💪🏻😂
Love the track during the harness build......
That exhaust is a work of art stunning can't wait to hear it fire up. Brilliant video 📸👏
Great video, thanks for showing the process warts and all. It's good to see what happens when problems arise.
Love the videos. It is fascinating to see your diagnostic process. I am really impressed with the way you want to do things right, not just do a half-hearted job. More please!
Good to see the honesty and that you show and share the lows along with the highs of your builds. 👍
I had a very similar problem with my home m57 conversion a few weeks ago. Just wouldn’t attempt to fire up. Eventually sorted it with a new HP pump. Now sounds amazing!
When I saw "Disaster" in the thumbnail I thought cracked block or bent crank or something, so I'm glad to learn it's only a bad fuel pump.
Looks fantastic, can’t wait to hear it running!
I can feel your pain and frustration. I'm bowled over with the sheer professionalism and diagnostic skills. Keep going guys - It WILL happen I know it! 👍🏻
Thank you! 🙏🏻 always learning! This ones testing me though!
Enthralled. Cannot wait for next episode.
Literally no nails left. Great episode, success tastes so much sweeter when you’ve had to fight for it. If it was easy we’d all be doing it Can’t wait for next episode
Thank you Mark! We’ve had to work on this one! We’ll get there 💪🏻💛
In South Africa we got the e36 M52 BMW 2.8i engine fitted as std in a limited production run when LR was still under bmw ownership. An interesting back story as one of the engineers at the time thought it might be a good fit as a playful gesture in one of the retailers service workshops and with very much unexpected but delightful results. They had to beg for approval from BMW HQ in Germany to release some production examples. These variants are Highly sought after these days and a great treat to drive withe very smooth and responsive power delivery. Im sure that this with updated motor even more so. Good luck and looking forward to the end result
Great to hear Ryan, I’ve seen a few of the 2.8 petrols in SA, always wondered how they felt on road!
You have done well don’t let it get you down it’s a annoying but you will get it sorted it’s only a case of process of illumination
Looking real good!! Have you guys omitted the pre-supply pressure sensor? I think it needs 2.5 bar before the HP pump otherwise you got a no start. Also, the pressure regulator on the back of the HP pump can easily catch you out.
My engine ran fine in the doner car but wouldn’t start when in my defender, turns out it was a bad connection on the pressure regulator on the hp pump.
Hopefully you guys get it sorted soon, I don’t think it’s ews/immobiliser issues as Wiseman’s usually do an ews delete on their ecu’s!!
Good luck 🤞
Wow, again a neat and clean work. Great that you also show the complexity and possible setbacks of such an engine swap. Very much like the 3 inch exhaust. Curious about the sound. Hopefully we will hear it in the next episode. I keep fingers crossed.
Sitting in a similar situation with mine... recently got an ECU from House Of Torque... I've been told to also have a look at the crankshaft position sensor...good luck from Botswana!!
Excellent work.
May I ask. Could you tell what the music is?
Especially the piece when you’re wiring the relay?
Thanks.
Best Video I've watched on a Landy conversion yet.......... and I was150 last week!!!
Thank you! Wow 150! What’s your secret? 😂
Obviously making a mod like this is pretty complicated, so a situation like the one you’re having I guess is totally normal, there are millions details to keep in mind , think you guys are very skilled to continue until make it. keep it Juice! really love your job you’re such a great team and great channel with the best Land Rover content! keep it up Juice!!!! hope to see more insane projects as this one in the future
Hats off to your patience😎👍
Sam
I’ve just seen your instagram posting, goes like shit of a hot shovel with a sound that simply makes me smile 😊
You were right what you said in your last response 👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Johnny! Much appreciated!
You’ll probably find that ews is still enabled on ecu not sending signal to high pressure fuel pump to switch on, common fault with swapping engines and ecus about! I’m now swapping m57 into a 300tdi!
Looking forward to hearing it start as I'm sure you are! I nave faith that it WILL start. Looking good though.
Really enjoying this guys 👍🏼
Brilliant video, felt your pain, these problems are sent to try us all and educate 😊
Done a few conversions to different vehicles over the years. Lack of fuel pressure to the rail.. Is the ecu outer casing grounded? The aluminium body of the ecu would need a permanent ground which it usually has when bolted into the original bmw specification. 🤞
hmmm....that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that
It’s all coming together! There has to be something with a build like this! Couldn’t be all straight forward. I mean, still a Landy after all!
Never easy is it!! 💛🙏🏻
Patience, you guys! You will succeed!!!
Thank you!! 💛😎
Gran trabajo y deseando ver el próximo episodio.
Fantastic juice😁👍love ya programmes ❤️
I think you need multiple earth's connected from the BMW loom for it to start, one isn't enough.
There’s only one into the engine harness (4 wires total) , don’t forget the defender had multiple others to earth the running gear ✌🏻💛
Get an R90 pump as an upgrade over the r70 etc, go on the M57 diesel tuning groups on Facebook. Lots of knowledge!
Hey mate awesome build. I’ve done this conversion and had start issues. Have you tried to re sync the ews with a computer?? If not give it a go the ecu makes a new code every ignition cycle and if you have a wrong feed to ecu power it won’t make a new one - if you carry out a re sync in pretty sure it will start in that cycle - think I have it in one of my videos on here . By the way awesome videos and like the honesty in them great stuff . Paul.
Just to add - have a look at your actual values and fault codes (hopefully has obd connection) will tell you a lot with what’s going on especially if it has a dde/ ews sync code 👍👍
Good episode. It’s a pain in the arse when it doesn’t go right but at least you’re learning proper garage etiquette/ownership by blaming your suppliers for your cock ups! 😂
I’ll do everything in my power to take responsibility. If someone takes my money and has cocked up I expect them to sort the issue or at least pick up the phone, I can’t say I’m too impressed thus far
@@juicemotors mate. I was joking - I’ve obviously hit a raw nerve which wasn’t my intent because clearly you have integrity and as I said, it’s a good episode, as it shows that even the experts can have a bad day like us amateur spanner wielders. The amount of times I’ve spent wondering why life was so unfair because ‘this bloody thing won’t start’ beggars belief! Conversely, just think of the great suppliers out there like Demand/LOF/Vitesse who provide good products and good service…
I feel like I’ve too many experiences of “why won’t it start” 😂 nothings ever easy! 💛
Mate, you looked sooo gutted… fingers crossed the pump and parts resolves the startup! Look forward to hearing the sound of that pipe though
Nice work who sorted out your custom Air Conditioning pipe connections?
Looks ace lads
I've had this before when the fuel systems completely empty but everythings else is correct. Clamp off the return line from HPFP to tank, sounds hideous but just a pair of mole grips will do it and then crank the engine. Take them off as soon as it fires. Good luck!
We actually considered this, and then bottled it last minute for fear of it causing some damage!
I’m not saying that’s your issue, but when I’ve installed them with an empty rail, hp pipes etc etc the things not run until clamping off the return. It’s 100% worth a try.
I’d also recommend you get yourself a copy of INPA (BMW diagnostics software) and a usb to obd cable. Consider it an essential tool for working on these engines.
Love the video! As always. Maybe a bit of small feedback. If you turn the music volume down a tad, it’s interesting to hear the conversation sometimes :)
Keep up the great work...
Still great content. Things don't always go smoothly and it's interesting to see the troubleshooting process.
This ones tested us just a bit 🥲💛
Chin up .great content to watch.
Really like the channel Sam, been some incredible builds, admire your attention to detail, BUT personally would have gone with a 2.8 TGV swap and at least it would have remained somewhat as LR had intended - I’m sure it’ll make someone very happy eventually but not for me !
1st ! Love your work mate
Me and my dad watched this from start to finish, We went through a similar journey, with different car. I have to say what you went through, messing about with an engine loom, and gearbox etc, you would have that thought the people who supplied the bits for you, would have had all that sorted out, so it was just a matter of plug in play. I really do admire your patience, I would have had a few hard words with the managers of the electrical unit and engine supplier. You paid enough for the conversion, so things should have been practically flawless. Its bad enough going through the hassle of putting the car back together, and then having to dismantle the car again. We ended up doing this, and buying twice. Converted loom that turned out to be faulty and a engine that self destructed on tick over. We later found out that, the engine had been damaged by who ever, They had re tightened down the head, to hide the headgasket failure, chewing a head bolt and smashing a metal pick up point on the inlet cam. A replacement inlet cam was the same price as the engine! Really did wind me and my dad up, after the hard work we had put into it. Once that nightmare was sorted we really got into enjoying the car, Just like you pal.
Wouldn't have a problem if you put a series engine in it 😄
Love to do that or an E300 engine
Love the channel! One question: is it posible to swap a newer dashboard onto a older model?
Any idea what the total cost to a client would/will be to undertake this engine conversion? Very interesting project.
Sorry for you, looking great…. I guess these issues come up… hope it starts next time! Despite the fact I sold my Deffy 110 this year, I enjoy the builds , and kinda regret selling!
I think you have a few viewers that also can’t wait to hear this bad boy turnover and rev :)
Not being a engineer myself, I was asking myself, if the bmw engine wich has METRIC specs and the computer in the car, wich still could run with imperial units … wether or not THAT could be the problem… but you guys figured it out …
And that how it is … sometimes things don’t work out on the first try …
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For future projects I have a question for you … when you do a engine swap, would it not be easier to have a mock-up where you can test everything BEFORE you install the units … does that make sense ..?🤔
That’s something to consider! A test rig would have been very welcomed in this build! It would’ve made life easier to diagnose for sure!!
Dumb question, but with the minimalism of the existing land rover harness, why would you not lay the majority of the engine harness out on a table and get it working on the bench
We still need the Land Rover harness to have the BMW fire up, we’d need to remove the dash clocks and have a harness for the body to have this fire up stand alone
You could fire it up just with a battery
Beast
you should not be disconnecting lines off the high pressure fuel rail , that system works at like 23,000 psi , and can slice your fingers with ease. as long as your getting fuel out of the return line from the fuel system, the high pressure system will bleed itself up with fuel flow and cranking
Not this pump 😂 it’s delivering absolutely naff all to the rail! It was returning all fuel to the tank - we even pressure bled the lines - no dice. Stay tuned ✌🏻💛
@@juicemotors if there's no fuel getting into the rail, the ecu isn't energising the suction valve on the High pressure pump .. there's a little valve between the low pressure system and the high pressure system (in a generic common rail setup) called a suction control valve .. its just used to regulate the fuel going into the high pressure loop. No power will leave it closed, and all the fuel will just bypass the high pressure loop. So for some reason, your ECU isn't sending a signal to that valve 🤔
We’ve also checked and confirmed that the PCV is working 🥲 stay tuned for the next episode! Thanks for watching 💪🏻💛
@@juicemotors The PCV in the back of the high pressure fuel pump i asume? If the O-ring breaks on that thing that can also cause it to crank but not to start. I had that exact same issue with one of my 530Ds but that was getting still some rail pressure. Swapped that O-ring out and it starts like a brand new engine.
I am sure you will be able to figure it out, really enjoying this video series sofar.
Currently also swapping my E34 525tds Touring with a M57D30 and 6-speed manual.
could the problem be with the imobaliser side killing the pump ? just a thought it it hasnt been removed from the ecu
We thought this too - the ECU has been deimmobilised and we made sure to check via the BMW diagnostics - even checking the EWS codes to see if we’ve been locked out, nothing 🥲
Totally unlucky they are normally bullet proof those BMW engines they are putting them in the grenideers as they are so good and reliable
Would you do any other engin swops?
LS3 😎💛
@@juicemotors also work you do a Blower build or a bayhay build?
J/M. School boy errors from this video ? It helps to use a second hand runner ! V.
A second hand runner?
When you are cranking it over the compressions do not sound even.
Доброго здоров'я, приві з Одеси.
Awesome build, and sorry if I’m teaching you to suck eggs but have you checked that it’s not an immobiliser problem? I’m guessing that black box should sort it out but as you said there have been a few issues!
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No one died,please don't play funeral music over your narration,in fact don't play any music.
I really enjoy your vids,but the music isn't necessary.
Thanks.
But it’s all very sad 🥲
More choke
Did you check for fuel out of the return line or just the pressure line from the pump. Hope you have not mixed them around.
I appreciate all the work that has gone into this project so far, but can't understand why you are fitting a Euro 4 compliant engine into this truck that is worse than the last Puma 2016 model. Will anybody want to spent the money on this if it limits the area you can drive into. And no I'm not one of these green tree huggers, just worried about the increasing legislation that is layered on the motorist by money grabbing councils, TFL being one of them!
We’re fitting this engine because of its reliability, refined feel, larger displacement, torque curve and power output - this particular engine is famous for its durability and power. The puma engines are clunky, unrefined and unreliable comparatively. We’re not building this with ULEZ in mind, we’re building this with the mechanics behind it all. The way I look at it, it’s an awesome engine for a great car, amazing how a 6 cylinder feels against a 4 cylinder
@@juicemotors and looking forward to hear it and get your feedback on how it drives.
Shit happens, it's life. It'll fire up next episode.
your doing it wrong .... you have to scream VEE AV VAYS OF MAKING YOU START at it
It’s a Pity the engine wouldn’t start typical BMW
Having done this build many times before, I can tell you this will never run.
How patronising
We’ll get there don’t worry! ✌🏻💪🏻
Loads of these builds out there and running fine
Wiseman engineering can help you with the wiring if stuck
@@u2kjib4cjkqn wait for the next video 🥲🥸