Totally agree with your assessment Joe. Thought I was going mad as I had a manual 992 GTS for 6 weeks and sold it as the ride quality on UK roads is simply not good enough. Manic was a great description - felt like I was a pea in a colander getting shaken all over the place. Gone back to a 991.2 GT3. Far better damped and compliant which shows you how poorly suited the 992 GTS is to UK roads. Very disappointing. The 991.1/2 GTS was mega. 992 👎
Love it - peer to peer reviewing @Nick Murray @Joe Achilles Also consider a dsc sport controller which can adjust the suspension for pdcc/pasm cars accordingly
I went from a PDK 992 C2S to a Manual 992 GTS and totally get why its not for everyone. But for when, how and where I drive, I love it and wouldn't go back to PDK. Takes a few weeks (not days) to get used to but well worth it.
I own nearly this exact spec (not green, no buckets) and while I agree that the car rides a little too lively and loud at times, I do love the manual gearbox and wouldn’t have it any other way. I didn’t buy my car as a daily, and this is not the model if you want more of a daily or GT. I bought mine for the vigorous weekend outing and occasional track day, and for those use cases, I think it delivers in spades.
I'm sure it suits many purposes and is exactly what you want, no denying it's another brilliant 992. Just doesn't work on roads around me and those ratios are silly, you would barely get out of third on track let alone on the road when having fun...
I'm in exactly the same position as you Dave. Manual GTS, few other options, same use-case. Before it, I had a 992 C2S and while I liked the PDK, for what I use the car for and the roads I drive (twisty Cotswolds a roads) the manual is perfect. Yes it takes time to adjust to so get some of Joe's comments but its SOOO rewarding over time.
One day you Jack and Harry are going to have an almighty pile-up on those S bends 😄 I feel I know each piece of roadside hedgerow and stone wall far to well.
Sorry, same deal, after owning 996 gt3rs, 997 gt3, Spyder 987, Carrera gt, 991 Turbo s, 981 Spyder, I had a deposit on a GTS and drove it Silverstone PEC, its good. And thats it, bought a 718 Spyder, and thats epic, not always about numbers.
I have rear wheel steer in my 992 C2S - I'd put good money on that not being the cause of the 'nervousness' you're feeling from the chassis (laregly because it doesn't tend to actually do anything at moderate speeds, only low for manoeuvres and high for stability), but I would point to the generally higher spring rates on the GTS suspension.
Also have a 992 C2S and agree it's not rear steer. I think a big factor was also tire pressure, which needs to be in Comfort setting. Press/dealers always set it in the Autobahn setting for safety but really ruins the ride.
@@MacellaioNeroexactly. I actually think it's a big issue on Porsche reviews - they need to educate customers on comfort vs higher setting. I run 32/36 on my 992, which is a few PSI above comfort (29/32) but well below high-speed setting (35/45). That's a 13psi drop in the rear! Btw - you can select your preferred pressure setting in your gauge cluster.
Long ratios have been a Porsche thing for years. Not sure what the air cooled were like but certainly the 996.2 is pushing 74mph in 2nd and over 100mph in 3rd at the red line. An option for different ratios from the factory to provide better acceleration but a lesser top speed would be good
Nice review Joe. I recently went back to a 992 after owning a 992 Carrera S and a brief flirt with a g80 Xdrive. This time I went cabriolet for a change but did try a GTS.. the extra 30bhp didn’t seem apparent to me but the ride quality even in the comfort mode tyre pressures was to much for daily imo! the cabriolet is definitely softer than my coupe was but unless your on a track you won’t notice the cornering difference. The 992 capability for hauling ass in any form is staggering.
Having owned a 992 gts, i can say that Joe’s assessment is both against accepted wisdom but absolutely spot on! At last someone tells the truth about overly hard suspension for UK roads and ridiculous tire roar. It is a great car but to me, these were fundamental flaws meaning that the car had to go.
I have a 2022 992 GTS that I ordered and spec'd. The trans was a huge issue and there are always doubts as to wether or not I made the right choice. I ultimately chose the PDK because the Manual was the 7-spd and not the 6-spd from the GT3. Had the trans been the same (6-spd) I likely would have went manual. I ALSO really toiled over the buckets w/ lightweight vs. 18-way seats. I ultimately chose to go 18-way and then upped the spec inside with additional leather for a luxdaily vibe. My rationality was that it is NOT a GT3 and that I should not try to make it one. So, I am waiting on a GT3 or Spyder RS allocation (I actually have a better shot at the Spyder RS). One of those cars will be my bucket car. It is worth noting that no matter what we have (at any level) there is always something more out there. As for me I'm trying to just be satisfied and stop chasing the perfect spec on the perfect car (it does not exist).
I too have a GTS that I've also tuned. Coming from Manual 911s. Do you feel its sluggish in the lower gears in the city? I like the car but I am not sure I completely love it.
@@mwm33333 I’ve had it in traffic but not in the city. I love out in Amish Country outside of Philly and it’s a maze of idyllic driving roads. I’ve debated the M-Engineering tune (+their PDK tune) and a Fabspeed exhaust … but am holding out to make sure I keep the car 😅
Refreshing. A Porsche review that does not just repeat the usual manual trops. PDK with certain engines, gear ratios and power outputs is simply better than with a manual. Saying it doesn’t mean you are any less of a driving enthusiast!!
I decided on a 991 T, with pdk, interior package, sport chrono, 18 way seats, adaptive cruisecontrol. Love it for, backroads, highway, autobahn, roadtrips, daily driving. GTS extra turbo horsepower did no add enough for me. GT3 means mostly second gear or loosing my drivers license really fast 😊
What tyre pressures was it running Joe? It sounds like they may have needed to backed off a touch to reduce the jitter. The Porsche spec P Zeros it was running have a firmer sidewall compared to the PS4s which contributes to a harsh ride too.
Joe, mate you are one of my top 3 presenters/reviewers in all media platforms. I share your love for BMWs, but there is something about the 911 that effects my emotions like no other model. I apologize for not being on topic regarding the 992 GTS, however I am a 991.1 C4S owner who loves the raw sound that emanates from my naturally aspirated flat 6. The linear power, while not the same as the gut punch thrusts of a twin turbo, is spectacular nonetheless. The PDK is simply world class. Great review and video Joe. Best regards.
The long gear ratios on the manuals are for 2 reasons, firstly for emissions teats, but secondly to not stomp on the almighty PDK. Part of the reason 0-60 times are so quick with the PDK is because the early ratios on the PDK are lower gear ratios than the manual 7 speed gear box.
0-60 times will be pretty irrelevant in the next 5 years. Cars are going to be more about driver feel and comfort vs being faster when we fully enter into the electric era.
I've never known what the fascination with cup holders in cars is. If you need a drink, stop off somewhere and have one in comfort. If you pick up your drink when driving, expect points on your licence or a scolded crutch, at best. Cup holders are for the Starbuck poser set, and not for a drivers car.
I 100% Agree in your assessment, "Frantic" is also my assessment. I own a 2022 GTS manual 4 wheel steering. Comparing to my 2022 911 C2S , which is a much preferred road machine. The GTS is a fantastic track rat. I would not order 4 wheel steering on any road going 911.Thunderstorm is an appropriate term. Too fast for the manual is correct. Sounds crazy but correct! Its a true race car so go with the PDK.
Accurate review Joe. Maybe a Carrera S is the pick of the bunch (for most people who can’t order a GT3 list). see these regular massive price rises being sustainable over time for non-limited Porsche models. Porsche is increasing 911 production a lot as they moved Cayman & Boxster production.
Love the Piloti shoes, I have the same! Oh and you need a drive in the 992 Carrera T, I have one on order and it's supposedly wonderful. I had the 991.2 T and it was a great car!
Me too! Would love to see a review on the 992 T. Had a 991.2 C2S and was given a 991.2 T on loan for three weeks while my S was getting warranty work done.. If I hadn't had the S back.. I would have been happy to keep the T. It was hands down more engaging to drive despite the power deficit. Felt more special, and with the smaller turbos felt more normally aspirated. Enjoy when yours arrives!
Good to hear your thoughts on the GTS, great car but it doesn’t make me feel alive and smile all the time when driving it, so cancelled my order and bought a Lotus 420 FE…. What a car…and yes you definitely have a big smile on your face every time you drive it…..
Great video Joe, and I think it’s so good that you highlight the problem areas. In 2023 I find it unforgivable that electric dampers can’t be made softer for comfort mode. Sure give us a firm ride in sport, but give us that soft ride in comfort, and with the UK roads in the worst state ever, pot holes everywhere would make this a painful journey. Looking forward to the base 911 review.
Having owned a few Audis (currently an RS6) I feel like they do electric dampening very very well. When you want a taught responsive ride they deliver and when you want to kick back, they have a plush but not soft comfort mode. I get that steering feel can’t be quite good, but the technology seems to be improving every year.
It's a GTS - that's what Carrera and S are for. Even with comfort seats and tire pressures lowered to comfort setting, this GTS would be much more comfortable.
@@greenstork yes it's first thing I did after taking delivery of my 992. IMO they need to make the comfort setting default w/ high-speed pressures the alternative.
Really informative. I thought it was going to be just another YT vid. But the information you shared will help a lot of people when it’s decision time. Although I am sticking with my old warrior 993rs tribute 🙏🏿
Everyone has his own opinion, I daily my Porsche it's a Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid I live in New York and I have a family and a big dog, and I can fit everything inside the car. I ordered a 911GT3 Touring towards the end of last year I should be getting it soon, I ordered it with a manual that's why I love Porsche they give you a choice. I will be using it primarily on the weekends when it's me and my wife, I am just glad to be able to afford cars like this and to get my kids interested in high-performance cars.
I'm with you. Having spent time recently in a 992 GT3 PDK, and a Manual one, I think the PDK is so good and really suits a speedy Porsche. Turbos also make cars easy lazy fast. I'd rather have NA and work for it! 💪😉
This is why I so often still like to get into my wife's +20-year-old Beetle manual 1.6i and just drive the shite out of it. So nice to be able to max a car out and drive it on its limit when that limit is so much lower. Much higher hooligan factor and feel, not to mention more difficult to do within the national speed limit than 1.5-2x it in this 992 GTS. And you do get to max out at least 4 gears :)
Really honest review. Let's face it, 911s are not GTs, they are compromised sports cars. Also, good point about the super confusing model range - frustrating for all apart from Porsche geeks.
Pity about the gearshift feel on those 7 speed manuals Joe. There's that distinct high pitch sound you hear at around 6000rpm to red line that those 3.0T engines in the Carrera range make which I like 👍 Would be great if Porsche GB gives you a Carrera T press car with a manual gearbox - maybe the 380hp engine in that car would suit the gear ratios better for UK roads and the smaller turbos in that car might make it have better throttle response than this GTS variant... When the 992.2 comes out, hopefully the tyre roar issue gets rectified but i'm sad to see the digital tachometer thats been seen in the spyshots of the test mule recently :/
Very interesting, I too would have imagined this would be the perfect 992 for the road. Well at least it can be bought, unlike a GT3 Touring- I’d have thought it was too harsh for the road… I had a 991.2 T in manual, it topped out at around 68 in second gear, leaving it great fun as a road car.
From what I have heard, the dampening and spring tension on the Touring is similar to this GTS. I think the sweet spot would have been a bit more plush. If you want a lively GT3, get the wing, but a true GT car needs to be more forgiving.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Carrera T should of had the 4.0 liter NA engine and 6 speed from the 718 and a Real Touring Suspension- that means Soft As F but well damped of course. 19/20's and letting us run 32 psi in the tires without the TPMS showing an alarm would also be 'progress' imho .
Hi, did you also manage to drive it on other roads than the ones in the vid ? Personally, a GT3 touring (my experience is limited to passenger rides in a 991 so also the old skool front axle) is also rather bumpy/bonky, which al settles if your start driving it like you stole it (which makes the car not really a daily driver to my opinion) whereas I could imagine that the GTS you drove, with the turboed 3liter, comes alive much earlier ? Regarding the gearbox, suppose there will be fixes for that pretty soon, bunch of bushings, if it is really that bad. Would always opt for the PDK to be honest, most brilliant gearbox on the planet especially since BMW phased their DCT out......
I am glad I finally found someone who has the same feeling about the back end moving too much while just crusing around, coming from an Audi RS it has been a pretty disturbing feeling for me, I have driven only a few hundreds miles so far so my opinion might evolve. Totally agree that with those long gear ratios, cause of emissions rules unfortunately, the PDK is a better fit than the manual
The manual will be worth 3x as much as the pdk in a few years. It's not that everyone will want a used manual 992 but it is rather that manual cars will simply be scarcer with less having been produced and with no manuals on offer in electric cars the demand will soon outstrip supply.@@bentleygucci
The 992 GTS needs be spec'd as a Carrera 4 for better road grip. The 992 GTS is not about driving a stripped down, light weight, faster than anything race car. The 992 is about the interior comfort with better road feel when compared to the more crazy Porsche options. People just don't seem to get that. And removing the back seats / adding sport seats is just not in good taste for what a GTS is. You do that with other Porsche cars.
@@Superbustr Disagree - I had a 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS and now own a 992 GTS real wheel drive and rear wheel steer option. The 992 drives and handles FAR better than the all wheel drive. IMO that setup is only useful for bad weather driving and most 911 owners don’t drive in bad weather anyway.
@@bentleygucci Well the question comes down to; where are you driving the car? In Switzerland with the never ending hills a Carrera 4 sticks to the road much better. FYI most Porsches sold in Switzerland are spec'd as all wheel drive.
Good video mate, I love my GTS, looks like they were short in the parts bin with that car, standard lights, basic stereo, no ceramics! I’m glad I spend my extra 6k on the ceramic brakes rather than the light weight pack to save weight. Do agree the ride is on the firm side but as I only use the car for fun drive outs it suits me perfectly, the PDCC mixed with the rear wheel steer makes for sublime cornering with stunning chassis control! Looking forward to my Euro trip in July with 6 countries in 6 days mixing in all the best Alps passes and hopefully proper smooth roads that are not full of holes 😜
Your money, but I think those brakes are total overkill and hideously expensive for anything but heavy track use. But hey, you can at least tell everyone you have ceramic brakes…..which I’m sure you do!😉
@@dimsoneill had them on my R8 V10 plus, love the feel of them even on normal roads, and will come into their own on my alps trip and will be doing track days too 😎
Agree on RWS unless you continually face parking issues and want that extra foot or whatever it saves in turning radius (wheels opposite up to 31 mph, then in conjunction).
FYI - need to turn off traction control for launches on a Porsche. Unlike BMWs you don't have to do a whole dance to activate LC, and Porsche traction helps improve performance instead of bogging down.
Love a video on the B4437….perhaps squeezing the bejesus out of the 911 range will eventually produce a (relatively) a lemon / marmite version. As long as they don’t bring out a Caravan towing version, it’ll be fine.
I'm predicting you'll love the C2 911. In PDK form it's still a very quick car, the damping is masterful and you'll only want more grunt on the Autobahn past 100. I think it's a more enjoyable experience than the technically amazing Turbo S. Drove them all. Bought a 718 GTS 4.0 😇. Seeing this car in Python Green reminded me of your 718 GTS review, also in Python. Same colour, but in one of them you were having fun.
Hi Joe. Need your advice. I’m trying to decide between the BMW 540i and the M550i. I realize there is a big step up in power and torque between the inline 6 and the v8 and I watched the short video you did on the M550i. I live in the US and it will be my daily driver I know there is no such thing as too much power but I also know that it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. Which one should I get. Thanks. Also I really like your podcast keep up the good work…sorry about your M2😮
I think Porshe set the gearing of their manual boxes for German autobahn use. for Uk use across the range the PDK is a better option and quicker but still with great control
Fantastic content as ever Joe, You need to get seat time in a 992 Carrera T now, perhaps that as you can now spec it with buckets is the better car. All the benefits of the lightweight package car and a mnual but a more composed ride on UK roads.
Porsche marketing guys can scarcely believe their luck, when all they do is standardise a few options (or delete a few), slap a badge like GTS or Touring on the back, and the car world believes it a different model altogether. They’re literally laughing all the way to the bank! Of course if I were buying one, it would have to be a GTS - not sure about that lightweight package though, I can save 25kg by laying off the McDonald’s for a few months 😂
I’m confused by the contradiction of “if you’re going for another gear it’s too fast” vs the subsequent criticism of the long legged first three gears. On one hand you’re concerned that you’re shifting up quickly and building speed too fast, and on the other hand you’re suggesting gear changes are too far apart. Also, given you’re comments on the ample torque, it sounds like early shifting is an option for making swift progress at road speeds without losing your license, and using that broad spread on track days when you’re free to hit the redline & be a hooligan. Not suggesting PDK isn’t the best fit, but it does seem like the real criticism here is that the car is too fast for the road, rather than it’s manual gearbox, Interestingly if you read the early reviews of the McLaren F1 with it’s enormous torque and long legged manual gearbox you’ll note what you’ve observed as a criticism of the GTS manual was seen as a positive (in terms of performance and usability) in the F1.
Long gearing with the manual cars help conform with emissions Joe and I believe the GT3 Manual gearbox is a very different 'box altogether, shorter ratios and short shift six speed? Doesn't the GTS also ride 20mm lower than an S? Rear wheel steering seems fine on my C4S PDK 992 which I bought used from my local(ish) OPC 2 years old 1 owner 3000+ miles and a £30k saving over a new car not to mention I collected it two weeks later so no 2 year +++ wait. It's about as good a 911 I could wish for on our often wet and bumpy British A and B roads. Every April Porsche GB have a price increase so that may explain the price hike? Love that @NickMurray watches your channel too! Bought our Macan GTS on the back of watching his channel!
There is a reason Porsche had and continues to have a successful race record - PDK. As an owner of more than one Porsche, including a new 992, 991.2 GTS and vintage 911 I offer this advice for the 2 cents it’s worth. First thing let go of the premise impressed upon you by your father or grandfather, that being only real men drive a manual. The modern Porsche IMHO simply is a superb car with the PDK, no human can change gears as fast and you truly get the opportunity to push the car to the fullest extent of its handling characteristics, which are phenomenal. If you really want manual, buy a vintage air-cooled Porsche, nothing beats it. That is why my garage has vintage sitting next to modern. When I want a twisty road and wish to enjoy the mechanical connection with a car, the manual vintage air-cooled car serves it up every time, nothing beats a manual vintage Porsche. But if you want to enjoy a twisty mountain road while pushing a car’s chassis and handling, the Porsche with PDK is always the choice. So forget about what you were told about manual vs. automatic, think about whether you want that mechanical connection or the thrill of pushing a car to its limits. If you want to hear from Porsche themselves, here is a good read: www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pag/?id=2013-04-11&pool=international-de
You are sooooooooo wrong and the number of people pressing like on your comment is proof. 911 manual is far and away the better car and commands a premium in the used car market. 992 or 991 manual sells very quickly on the used market and command a higher price.
Porsche's pricing strategy is incredible. It's like you're buying a fully specced car then paying £6k for some bloke with a socket set and spanners to go round removing the seats and trim. Oh and I'll replace the radio with cheap one whilst I've taken the trim off. How do they get away with that? From your comments, it would appear that Touring was the sweet spot as a daily driver and if I was driving it every day, I'd probably go 4wd then it's going to be fast in any weather and on any road surface. If it's a track toy or weekend blast machine, I'd guess one of the more lairy models might be more suitable. Maybe with better options, this model is the sweet spot for value/performance but from your disappointment that car seemed to miss the mark.
How many Porsche 992 owners are really interested (obsessed) with launch control ? You feel and enjoy the power when overtaking a lorry or going up a mountain road. In other words in real situations. The torque is more useful and ultimately impressive than the outright acceleration. What I suspect is that people who have at their disposal a press car don’t drive them like the owners do. You want to squeeze every last horsepower out of them. Gets tiring after a while. I nevertheless agree with you that the 6 speed manual of the GT3 would have been preferable.
I’m really kind of wondering whether the T might be more enjoyable real-world. I drove a base Carrera 992 very briefly, it didn’t feel super fast in straight line acceleration to me, but I don’t care that much about that or at least not as much as how the car flows on curvy roads. Also intend to do long distance in my 911.
I wonder what would be Your opinion on the new 911T. Pretty basic one with few options that are making car handle better. In my opinion also on 911T with PDK box. Such a comparision would be really good :)
Loved the very considered and explanatory video. I have a 991.2 Turbo S with the same looking buckets which in spite of their looks are really comfortable even on long journeys. A small point but does anyone know why the folding function has now been deleted on the 992 unlike the 991? The rear seats/shelf are a must for luggage when touring so how can this be accessed if they don’t fold without trying to shoehorn stuff into the back between the front seats???
Very odd with the fold down on the buckets, I don't understand the logic and surely it doesn't save anyone that much money - quite inconvenient. Did you spec the TS with buckets?
@@cski121 bought from Porsche Mid Sussex when it was a little over a year old so originally specked by the first owner. Wasn’t sure when I first saw them but the best seats I’ve ever had. Slightly difficult to get in and out of but then brilliant!
Nice review. Porsche and BMW will always be my 1A and 1B. Porsche has really turned me off with the price hikes however (all while already reporting record earnings). In early 2021 I scored a 992 C2S for $132k ($5k discount off MSRP). Now that same exact car would be $150k. Amazing performance obviously but at the time I traded my $60k M2 comp in on the car and had trouble deciding which one I preferred sadly. Long story short, new M2 on order for $67k. Far cry from $150k and in my opinion just as much fun.
No joke, but the manual shift action in older Porsche (like my 1st and 2nd gen Cayman S) is pretty brilliant. You don't have the same "plastic" feel and there is a weight on the box itself that makes it feel like you're reloading a gun. I wonder do you guys know how to fix that with aftermarket parts on new P cars?
I had a 718 spyder manual last year. The gear ratios were horrendous, amazing car, amazing engine but I was literally were driving around in 2nd gear everywhere, booting it in 3rd or 4th was lose your license speeds….
Nice launch...but you are telling me Porsche limits the amount of rpm's you can use from a stop with the clutch pushed in in their manuals (and I assume non RS PDK's)? In other words you can't rev the rpm's up to say 5,000 RPM to do a launch? I own a 2018 GT2 RS and with both paddles pulled in (Neutral) i can rev the engine to redline if I want and then release both paddles, (dumping the clutch).
The tall gearing seems to be an issue in a couple of new Porsches. This would seem to be a wonderful business opportunity for a company with the skills to produce a new set of cogs for the gearbox or a shorter diff. I see there is a mob in the US increasing the 718 GTS 4.0 to 4.5 litres with shorter close ratio gearing. I assumes they replaced the cogs in the current box with their own manufactured set.
Interesting. These cars are focus cars…..for a specific task and purpose I suppose. I have struggled to understand if I need a 911 any variant, any transmission, since I don’t track, on these straight stretches of Florida roads. Even my 718 MT spyder seems out of place as a sports car. Might as well drive a Toyota Avalon..haha for long trips or a Miata to the beach.
Couple of thoughts. Rear wheel steer is excellent. I’ve got it on my GTS. You can’t judge it on one drive. Lightweight package is classic Porsche marketing hype. 25kg weight saving is irrelevant in the real world. Finally, why oh why would you buy such a fast car with such a slow gearbox? I’ll wait for the counter views 😊
Not sure how the 911 rear steer works however I thought at higher speeds the system should work in reverse to increase the sensation of stability… perhaps the 911 system does not work in this way, might just be down to how it’s programmed as it mechanically should be able to move in that way
PDK may suit the car better. But it still leaves you with too little to do in a road driving context. PDK is great for track, but for road driving even a suboptimal manual is a zillion times more engaging. What are you supposed to do with this car on a public road with the PDK box? You can't go after the car's limits, they're too high. At least with manual you get some public road-speed engagement and and can get some enjoyment from finessing your shifts and rev matches. With PDK, you're really just going to be driving well within the cars limits and feeling pretty detached.
My paint to sample gts manual coupe allocation has been pushed to .2 now, and the longer i wait the more i’m getting over it. I spec’d to put the c2s pasm in it to sort the ride. But I just feel like it’s not special enough a drivetrain for price, which just keeps creeping up as I wait. Porsche would have to do something special in the .2 to get me interested again
I kept my 992 GTS for a grand total of 12 days. I had a PDK, it was soul-less, lacked any emotion, uncomfortable and had an annoying high pitched engine note. for a stick of over $200k it just didn't right.
I have driven the 992 GT3, had it for two days. Its a brutal ride on the road, the steering is darty. Dont get me wrong great track car, on 90% of most public roads you cannot revv it to its glorious 9k redline. I would take the GTS all day
Couldn't agree more on 4 wheel steer on 911s. Had it on my 991.2 gts and didn't love it as it kinda ruins the traditional Porsche driving experience. But I do love it and it does make sense on my RS etron gt.... can't wait to see what they do with the 992.2 but with the recent porsche price increases, we're into the 200k USD territory for a gts. don't think I could justify spending that kind of cash on a sports car no matter how good it is. and a base 911 is around 150k! with any decent options. I would rather save 50k and get an m3 xdrive and get a car thats faster, more practical, and almost as good dynamically
I've had both, the 4ltr 718 GTS and previously a 992 C2S. To me they are completely different cars. 718s are fun, small, nippy and with the 4ltr make a great sound and drive, the latter are almost identical volume to a 964 too. The 911 is a more grand touring car, better for longer trips, far nicer looking, more refined and at the end of the day it is a "911", they feel more senior in terms of every aspect of the car but they are getting bulky for UK B-roads. Whilst the GT4 RS & Spyder RS are great looking (and seemingly driving) bits of kit they will always be junior to a full blown 911 GT (as in GT2/3/RS) model, they occupy a different sector of the market. Saying that for British B road driving I'd likely go with a 4ltr 718 GTS manual or PDK, the one I had was PDK but I've a Touring w/ manual and the six speed is exceptional.
What a hooligan 😀
Life goal achievement, getting a comment on a Porsche video by Nick Murray 🙏 Cheers bro!
@@JoeAchilles1 Love you my friend!
Totally agree with your assessment Joe. Thought I was going mad as I had a manual 992 GTS for 6 weeks and sold it as the ride quality on UK roads is simply not good enough. Manic was a great description - felt like I was a pea in a colander getting shaken all over the place. Gone back to a 991.2 GT3. Far better damped and compliant which shows you how poorly suited the 992 GTS is to UK roads. Very disappointing. The 991.1/2 GTS was mega. 992 👎
@@jeremybaker8173 Sorry but glad to hear you've experienced the same Jeremy 👌
Love it - peer to peer reviewing @Nick Murray @Joe Achilles
Also consider a dsc sport controller which can adjust the suspension for pdcc/pasm cars accordingly
I went from a PDK 992 C2S to a Manual 992 GTS and totally get why its not for everyone. But for when, how and where I drive, I love it and wouldn't go back to PDK.
Takes a few weeks (not days) to get used to but well worth it.
I own nearly this exact spec (not green, no buckets) and while I agree that the car rides a little too lively and loud at times, I do love the manual gearbox and wouldn’t have it any other way. I didn’t buy my car as a daily, and this is not the model if you want more of a daily or GT. I bought mine for the vigorous weekend outing and occasional track day, and for those use cases, I think it delivers in spades.
I'm sure it suits many purposes and is exactly what you want, no denying it's another brilliant 992. Just doesn't work on roads around me and those ratios are silly, you would barely get out of third on track let alone on the road when having fun...
I agree. 992 GTS is too harsh.
I'm in exactly the same position as you Dave. Manual GTS, few other options, same use-case. Before it, I had a 992 C2S and while I liked the PDK, for what I use the car for and the roads I drive (twisty Cotswolds a roads) the manual is perfect. Yes it takes time to adjust to so get some of Joe's comments but its SOOO rewarding over time.
I felt Joe was being a bit over-critical. If you want a manual 992 this is the car esp given the extra £25k needed for a GT3.
@@JoeAchilles1 where you set to comfort tire pressure? Absolutely critical on 911s and press/dealers usually have it set way too high.
One day you Jack and Harry are going to have an almighty pile-up on those S bends 😄 I feel I know each piece of roadside hedgerow and stone wall far to well.
Where is this road, looks great
They’ve worn the surface out by the look of it. It’s also a narrow A road where hard to drive anything bigger than a lotus much mess with 500hp.
@@mrminiature11 Cotswolds near Burford in Oxfordshire. Harry is a local, not sure why Jack only seems to use it if he’s an hours commute away.
Who’s Jack?
@@andrewhurstcars Number 27
Sorry, same deal, after owning 996 gt3rs, 997 gt3, Spyder 987, Carrera gt, 991 Turbo s, 981 Spyder, I had a deposit on a GTS and drove it Silverstone PEC, its good. And thats it, bought a 718 Spyder, and thats epic, not always about numbers.
Did you just said that 718 Spyder is better than Carrera GT?
No, CGT was one of the best cars I’ve ever owned. But 718 Spyder is really all you need.
I have rear wheel steer in my 992 C2S - I'd put good money on that not being the cause of the 'nervousness' you're feeling from the chassis (laregly because it doesn't tend to actually do anything at moderate speeds, only low for manoeuvres and high for stability), but I would point to the generally higher spring rates on the GTS suspension.
Also have a 992 C2S and agree it's not rear steer. I think a big factor was also tire pressure, which needs to be in Comfort setting. Press/dealers always set it in the Autobahn setting for safety but really ruins the ride.
Yeap. Agree. At 70 mph the rears are straight. Good point on tyre pressures…
@@The_Stanman Very good point - I had the same story, insanely high pressures on collection.
@@MacellaioNeroexactly. I actually think it's a big issue on Porsche reviews - they need to educate customers on comfort vs higher setting.
I run 32/36 on my 992, which is a few PSI above comfort (29/32) but well below high-speed setting (35/45). That's a 13psi drop in the rear!
Btw - you can select your preferred pressure setting in your gauge cluster.
@@The_Stanman Same pressures I run! Useful information for those not in the know.
Watched this and now fallen down a rabbit-hole of your other Porsche videos when i should be working! Great videos mate!
Long ratios have been a Porsche thing for years. Not sure what the air cooled were like but certainly the 996.2 is pushing 74mph in 2nd and over 100mph in 3rd at the red line. An option for different ratios from the factory to provide better acceleration but a lesser top speed would be good
Nice review Joe. I recently went back to a 992 after owning a 992 Carrera S and a brief flirt with a g80 Xdrive. This time I went cabriolet for a change but did try a GTS.. the extra 30bhp didn’t seem apparent to me but the ride quality even in the comfort mode tyre pressures was to much for daily imo! the cabriolet is definitely softer than my coupe was but unless your on a track you won’t notice the cornering difference. The 992 capability for hauling ass in any form is staggering.
Having owned a 992 gts, i can say that Joe’s assessment is both against accepted wisdom but absolutely spot on! At last someone tells the truth about overly hard suspension for UK roads and ridiculous tire roar. It is a great car but to me, these were fundamental flaws meaning that the car had to go.
I have a 2022 992 GTS that I ordered and spec'd. The trans was a huge issue and there are always doubts as to wether or not I made the right choice. I ultimately chose the PDK because the Manual was the 7-spd and not the 6-spd from the GT3. Had the trans been the same (6-spd) I likely would have went manual. I ALSO really toiled over the buckets w/ lightweight vs. 18-way seats. I ultimately chose to go 18-way and then upped the spec inside with additional leather for a luxdaily vibe. My rationality was that it is NOT a GT3 and that I should not try to make it one. So, I am waiting on a GT3 or Spyder RS allocation (I actually have a better shot at the Spyder RS). One of those cars will be my bucket car. It is worth noting that no matter what we have (at any level) there is always something more out there. As for me I'm trying to just be satisfied and stop chasing the perfect spec on the perfect car (it does not exist).
I too have a GTS that I've also tuned. Coming from Manual 911s. Do you feel its sluggish in the lower gears in the city? I like the car but I am not sure I completely love it.
@@mwm33333 I’ve had it in traffic but not in the city. I love out in Amish Country outside of Philly and it’s a maze of idyllic driving roads. I’ve debated the M-Engineering tune (+their PDK tune) and a Fabspeed exhaust … but am holding out to make sure I keep the car 😅
Refreshing. A Porsche review that does not just repeat the usual manual trops.
PDK with certain engines, gear ratios and power outputs is simply better than with a manual. Saying it doesn’t mean you are any less of a driving enthusiast!!
Exactly, all the “heel toe brigade” are a pain in the ass.
I decided on a 991 T, with pdk, interior package, sport chrono, 18 way seats, adaptive cruisecontrol. Love it for, backroads, highway, autobahn, roadtrips, daily driving. GTS extra turbo horsepower did no add enough for me. GT3 means mostly second gear or loosing my drivers license really fast 😊
Awesome, real world, review. There are too few reviews like this out there.
What tyre pressures was it running Joe? It sounds like they may have needed to backed off a touch to reduce the jitter. The Porsche spec P Zeros it was running have a firmer sidewall compared to the PS4s which contributes to a harsh ride too.
Joe, mate you are one of my top 3 presenters/reviewers in all media platforms. I share your love for BMWs, but there is something about the 911 that effects my emotions like no other model. I apologize for not being on topic regarding the 992 GTS, however I am a 991.1 C4S owner who loves the raw sound that emanates from my naturally aspirated flat 6. The linear power, while not the same as the gut punch thrusts of a twin turbo, is spectacular nonetheless. The PDK is simply world class. Great review and video Joe. Best regards.
Fair criticisms of a very good car. This is why I love your channel Joe, keep it up!
The long gear ratios on the manuals are for 2 reasons, firstly for emissions teats, but secondly to not stomp on the almighty PDK. Part of the reason 0-60 times are so quick with the PDK is because the early ratios on the PDK are lower gear ratios than the manual 7 speed gear box.
0-60 times will be pretty irrelevant in the next 5 years. Cars are going to be more about driver feel and comfort vs being faster when we fully enter into the electric era.
I've never known what the fascination with cup holders in cars is. If you need a drink, stop off somewhere and have one in comfort. If you pick up your drink when driving, expect points on your licence or a scolded crutch, at best. Cup holders are for the Starbuck poser set, and not for a drivers car.
Imagine gatekeeper wanting a coffee while you drive.
I 100% Agree in your assessment, "Frantic" is also my assessment. I own a 2022 GTS manual 4 wheel steering. Comparing to my 2022 911 C2S , which is a much preferred road machine. The GTS is a fantastic track rat. I would not order 4 wheel steering on any road going 911.Thunderstorm is an appropriate term. Too fast for the manual is correct. Sounds crazy but correct! Its a true race car so go with the PDK.
Amazing color and car. Great review as usually!
Thank you 🙏
Accurate review Joe. Maybe a Carrera S is the pick of the bunch (for most people who can’t order a GT3 list). see these regular massive price rises being sustainable over time for non-limited Porsche models. Porsche is increasing 911 production a lot as they moved Cayman & Boxster production.
Love the Piloti shoes, I have the same! Oh and you need a drive in the 992 Carrera T, I have one on order and it's supposedly wonderful. I had the 991.2 T and it was a great car!
Me too! Would love to see a review on the 992 T. Had a 991.2 C2S and was given a 991.2 T on loan for three weeks while my S was getting warranty work done.. If I hadn't had the S back.. I would have been happy to keep the T. It was hands down more engaging to drive despite the power deficit. Felt more special, and with the smaller turbos felt more normally aspirated. Enjoy when yours arrives!
Good to hear your thoughts on the GTS, great car but it doesn’t make me feel alive and smile all the time when driving it, so cancelled my order and bought a Lotus 420 FE…. What a car…and yes you definitely have a big smile on your face every time you drive it…..
Great video Joe, and I think it’s so good that you highlight the problem areas. In 2023 I find it unforgivable that electric dampers can’t be made softer for comfort mode. Sure give us a firm ride in sport, but give us that soft ride in comfort, and with the UK roads in the worst state ever, pot holes everywhere would make this a painful journey. Looking forward to the base 911 review.
Having owned a few Audis (currently an RS6) I feel like they do electric dampening very very well. When you want a taught responsive ride they deliver and when you want to kick back, they have a plush but not soft comfort mode.
I get that steering feel can’t be quite good, but the technology seems to be improving every year.
It's a GTS - that's what Carrera and S are for. Even with comfort seats and tire pressures lowered to comfort setting, this GTS would be much more comfortable.
@@The_Stanman I actually lowered my tire pressures 10psi recently and noticed a marked difference.
@@The_Stanman Be interested in other owners views on this point, don’t own one so can’t comment.
@@greenstork yes it's first thing I did after taking delivery of my 992. IMO they need to make the comfort setting default w/ high-speed pressures the alternative.
Really informative. I thought it was going to be just another YT vid. But the information you shared will help a lot of people when it’s decision time. Although I am sticking with my old warrior 993rs tribute 🙏🏿
Good, honest review. It hasn’t put me off the Gts but maybe pdk, rear seats and a bit more sound proofing is the way to go!
Not PDK. Not PDK. Not PDK.
@@charles_.lyes yes PDK all the time!!
@@hpman911 * look of disgust*
Everyone has his own opinion, I daily my Porsche it's a Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid I live in New York and I have a family and a big dog, and I can fit everything inside the car. I ordered a 911GT3 Touring towards the end of last year I should be getting it soon, I ordered it with a manual that's why I love Porsche they give you a choice. I will be using it primarily on the weekends when it's me and my wife, I am just glad to be able to afford cars like this and to get my kids interested in high-performance cars.
I'm with you. Having spent time recently in a 992 GT3 PDK, and a Manual one, I think the PDK is so good and really suits a speedy Porsche.
Turbos also make cars easy lazy fast. I'd rather have NA and work for it! 💪😉
Nah. My Cayman is perfect with a manual. Feels really pure. Maybe the 911 though with PDK.
@@final_mile_music9713 Cayman and Spyder IMO suit a Manual, 992 suits a PDK, especially GT3, but that's just me. 👊
This is why I so often still like to get into my wife's +20-year-old Beetle manual 1.6i and just drive the shite out of it. So nice to be able to max a car out and drive it on its limit when that limit is so much lower. Much higher hooligan factor and feel, not to mention more difficult to do within the national speed limit than 1.5-2x it in this 992 GTS. And you do get to max out at least 4 gears :)
Really honest review. Let's face it, 911s are not GTs, they are compromised sports cars. Also, good point about the super confusing model range - frustrating for all apart from Porsche geeks.
Have watched a number of races against the GT3 and can confirm with a PDK the GTS distroys the GT3 in a straight line. Tho game over at the corners.
Pity about the gearshift feel on those 7 speed manuals Joe. There's that distinct high pitch sound you hear at around 6000rpm to red line that those 3.0T engines in the Carrera range make which I like 👍 Would be great if Porsche GB gives you a Carrera T press car with a manual gearbox - maybe the 380hp engine in that car would suit the gear ratios better for UK roads and the smaller turbos in that car might make it have better throttle response than this GTS variant... When the 992.2 comes out, hopefully the tyre roar issue gets rectified but i'm sad to see the digital tachometer thats been seen in the spyshots of the test mule recently :/
Great review Joe, I’ll remember to stay with the 7 speed PDK for my GTS.
3.66s to 60 in manual? deary me that's nuts for a 480hp RWD car! Porsche knows how to build it
This is one sweeeeeet paint job
Areo kit whit a huge rear wing
Yellow seat belts
Very interesting, I too would have imagined this would be the perfect 992 for the road.
Well at least it can be bought, unlike a GT3 Touring- I’d have thought it was too harsh for the road…
I had a 991.2 T in manual, it topped out at around 68 in second gear, leaving it great fun as a road car.
From what I have heard, the dampening and spring tension on the Touring is similar to this GTS. I think the sweet spot would have been a bit more plush. If you want a lively GT3, get the wing, but a true GT car needs to be more forgiving.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Carrera T should of had the 4.0 liter NA engine and 6 speed from the 718 and a Real Touring Suspension- that means Soft As F but well damped of course. 19/20's and letting us run 32 psi in the tires without the TPMS showing an alarm would also be 'progress' imho .
Hi, did you also manage to drive it on other roads than the ones in the vid ? Personally, a GT3 touring (my experience is limited to passenger rides in a 991 so also the old skool front axle) is also rather bumpy/bonky, which al settles if your start driving it like you stole it (which makes the car not really a daily driver to my opinion) whereas I could imagine that the GTS you drove, with the turboed 3liter, comes alive much earlier ? Regarding the gearbox, suppose there will be fixes for that pretty soon, bunch of bushings, if it is really that bad. Would always opt for the PDK to be honest, most brilliant gearbox on the planet especially since BMW phased their DCT out......
Awesome. Just awesome.
I love the python green with the black wheels. Exactly how I'd spec it.
No longer offered here in the us
I am glad I finally found someone who has the same feeling about the back end moving too much while just crusing around, coming from an Audi RS it has been a pretty disturbing feeling for me, I have driven only a few hundreds miles so far so my opinion might evolve. Totally agree that with those long gear ratios, cause of emissions rules unfortunately, the PDK is a better fit than the manual
No - the PDK is certainly not better than the manual. That depends on the driver and how the driver wants to drive it. BTW - I have had both.
The manual will be worth 3x as much as the pdk in a few years. It's not that everyone will want a used manual 992 but it is rather that manual cars will simply be scarcer with less having been produced and with no manuals on offer in electric cars the demand will soon outstrip supply.@@bentleygucci
The 992 GTS needs be spec'd as a Carrera 4 for better road grip. The 992 GTS is not about driving a stripped down, light weight, faster than anything race car. The 992 is about the interior comfort with better road feel when compared to the more crazy Porsche options. People just don't seem to get that. And removing the back seats / adding sport seats is just not in good taste for what a GTS is. You do that with other Porsche cars.
@@Superbustr Disagree - I had a 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS and now own a 992 GTS real wheel drive and rear wheel steer option. The 992 drives and handles FAR better than the all wheel drive. IMO that setup is only useful for bad weather driving and most 911 owners don’t drive in bad weather anyway.
@@bentleygucci Well the question comes down to; where are you driving the car? In Switzerland with the never ending hills a Carrera 4 sticks to the road much better. FYI most Porsches sold in Switzerland are spec'd as all wheel drive.
Good video mate, I love my GTS, looks like they were short in the parts bin with that car, standard lights, basic stereo, no ceramics! I’m glad I spend my extra 6k on the ceramic brakes rather than the light weight pack to save weight. Do agree the ride is on the firm side but as I only use the car for fun drive outs it suits me perfectly, the PDCC mixed with the rear wheel steer makes for sublime cornering with stunning chassis control! Looking forward to my Euro trip in July with 6 countries in 6 days mixing in all the best Alps passes and hopefully proper smooth roads that are not full of holes 😜
Your money, but I think those brakes are total overkill and hideously expensive for anything but heavy track use. But hey, you can at least tell everyone you have ceramic brakes…..which I’m sure you do!😉
@@dimsoneill had them on my R8 V10 plus, love the feel of them even on normal roads, and will come into their own on my alps trip and will be doing track days too 😎
@@GMANS_BIKES_CARS do the ceramic brakes have different pedal feel to the steel ones?
@@GMANS_BIKES_CARSplus no brake dust to ruin your alloys making cleaning a whole lot easier!
@@hpman911 aren't the GTS wheels painted/powdercoated? Cermic coating and brake dust washes off with a foam cannon and pressure washer.
Great review Joe. Good to finally meet you at Bedford as well!
Very honest good review thanks
Great review and looking forward to your base 911 test.
If they gave the manuals a proper launch control (allow a higher launch and clutch dump) this could easily hit 60 in the low 3's.
Agree on RWS unless you continually face parking issues and want that extra foot or whatever it saves in turning radius (wheels opposite up to 31 mph, then in conjunction).
Maybe the tire pressures need to be adjusted for the uk roads for some improvement. Real question is should the ras be a pass on the gts???
Great video!! Really liked to ear your point of view
Thanks bro 🙏
Thanks for such an honest, thoughtful review.
You must live near Charlbury, I see the same bit of road in every Harrys Garage film. Great review BTW!
997 is peak cup holder of any car!
Enjoyed this one Joe 🎉
FYI - need to turn off traction control for launches on a Porsche. Unlike BMWs you don't have to do a whole dance to activate LC, and Porsche traction helps improve performance instead of bogging down.
Love a video on the B4437….perhaps squeezing the bejesus out of the 911 range will eventually produce a (relatively) a lemon / marmite version. As long as they don’t bring out a Caravan towing version, it’ll be fine.
I'm predicting you'll love the C2 911. In PDK form it's still a very quick car, the damping is masterful and you'll only want more grunt on the Autobahn past 100. I think it's a more enjoyable experience than the technically amazing Turbo S.
Drove them all. Bought a 718 GTS 4.0 😇.
Seeing this car in Python Green reminded me of your 718 GTS review, also in Python. Same colour, but in one of them you were having fun.
A 911 C2 PDK is a crap car
It’s fat, slow, sluggish not sporty at and feels like a heavy saloon
Hi Joe. Need your advice. I’m trying to decide between the BMW 540i and the M550i. I realize there is a big step up in power and torque between the inline 6 and the v8 and I watched the short video you did on the M550i. I live in the US and it will be my daily driver I know there is no such thing as too much power but I also know that it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. Which one should I get. Thanks. Also I really like your podcast keep up the good work…sorry about your M2😮
I think Porshe set the gearing of their manual boxes for German autobahn use. for Uk use across the range the PDK is a better option and quicker but still with great control
I had a ‘75 911 (bought new for $9,300) and pulled 72mph in 2nd gear. Remarkable performance for the time.
I think you will find it’s all down to EU emission regulations unfortunately.
Fantastic content as ever Joe, You need to get seat time in a 992 Carrera T now, perhaps that as you can now spec it with buckets is the better car. All the benefits of the lightweight package car and a mnual but a more composed ride on UK roads.
Thanks Jeremy! Yes I think you're right, the T is certainly shaping up to be the ultimate for me... Hopefully get my hands on one soon! Cheers
Porsche marketing guys can scarcely believe their luck, when all they do is standardise a few options (or delete a few), slap a badge like GTS or Touring on the back, and the car world believes it a different model altogether. They’re literally laughing all the way to the bank!
Of course if I were buying one, it would have to be a GTS - not sure about that lightweight package though, I can save 25kg by laying off the McDonald’s for a few months 😂
Exactly all the Carreras are the same thing. Brilliant but the same , same engine heck.
Marketing goes a long way to fool.
I’m confused by the contradiction of “if you’re going for another gear it’s too fast” vs the subsequent criticism of the long legged first three gears. On one hand you’re concerned that you’re shifting up quickly and building speed too fast, and on the other hand you’re suggesting gear changes are too far apart.
Also, given you’re comments on the ample torque, it sounds like early shifting is an option for making swift progress at road speeds without losing your license, and using that broad spread on track days when you’re free to hit the redline & be a hooligan.
Not suggesting PDK isn’t the best fit, but it does seem like the real criticism here is that the car is too fast for the road, rather than it’s manual gearbox,
Interestingly if you read the early reviews of the McLaren F1 with it’s enormous torque and long legged manual gearbox you’ll note what you’ve observed as a criticism of the GTS manual was seen as a positive (in terms of performance and usability) in the F1.
Long gearing with the manual cars help conform with emissions Joe and I believe the GT3 Manual gearbox is a very different 'box altogether, shorter ratios and short shift six speed? Doesn't the GTS also ride 20mm lower than an S? Rear wheel steering seems fine on my C4S PDK 992 which I bought used from my local(ish) OPC 2 years old 1 owner 3000+ miles and a £30k saving over a new car not to mention I collected it two weeks later so no 2 year +++ wait. It's about as good a 911 I could wish for on our often wet and bumpy British A and B roads. Every April Porsche GB have a price increase so that may explain the price hike? Love that @NickMurray watches your channel too! Bought our Macan GTS on the back of watching his channel!
My dream spec Carrera. GTS manual, just not that color. Great video
It was mine too... Just didn't seem to work on a typical UK road.
There is a reason Porsche had and continues to have a successful race record - PDK. As an owner of more than one Porsche, including a new 992, 991.2 GTS and vintage 911 I offer this advice for the 2 cents it’s worth. First thing let go of the premise impressed upon you by your father or grandfather, that being only real men drive a manual. The modern Porsche IMHO simply is a superb car with the PDK, no human can change gears as fast and you truly get the opportunity to push the car to the fullest extent of its handling characteristics, which are phenomenal. If you really want manual, buy a vintage air-cooled Porsche, nothing beats it. That is why my garage has vintage sitting next to modern. When I want a twisty road and wish to enjoy the mechanical connection with a car, the manual vintage air-cooled car serves it up every time, nothing beats a manual vintage Porsche. But if you want to enjoy a twisty mountain road while pushing a car’s chassis and handling, the Porsche with PDK is always the choice. So forget about what you were told about manual vs. automatic, think about whether you want that mechanical connection or the thrill of pushing a car to its limits. If you want to hear from Porsche themselves, here is a good read:
www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/pressreleases/pag/?id=2013-04-11&pool=international-de
You are sooooooooo wrong and the number of people pressing like on your comment is proof. 911 manual is far and away the better car and commands a premium in the used car market. 992 or 991 manual sells very quickly on the used market and command a higher price.
@@Bangabalunganah he’s right.
It’s gen dependent .
Gear ratios are bugging them down.
Porsche's pricing strategy is incredible.
It's like you're buying a fully specced car then paying £6k for some bloke with a socket set and spanners to go round removing the seats and trim. Oh and I'll replace the radio with cheap one whilst I've taken the trim off. How do they get away with that?
From your comments, it would appear that Touring was the sweet spot as a daily driver and if I was driving it every day, I'd probably go 4wd then it's going to be fast in any weather and on any road surface.
If it's a track toy or weekend blast machine, I'd guess one of the more lairy models might be more suitable.
Maybe with better options, this model is the sweet spot for value/performance but from your disappointment that car seemed to miss the mark.
21:00 😁. That was cool
How many Porsche 992 owners are really interested (obsessed) with launch control ? You feel and enjoy the power when overtaking a lorry or going up a mountain road. In other words in real situations. The torque is more useful and ultimately impressive than the outright acceleration. What I suspect is that people who have at their disposal a press car don’t drive them like the owners do. You want to squeeze every last horsepower out of them. Gets tiring after a while. I nevertheless agree with you that the 6 speed manual of the GT3 would have been preferable.
I’m really kind of wondering whether the T might be more enjoyable real-world. I drove a base Carrera 992 very briefly, it didn’t feel super fast in straight line acceleration to me, but I don’t care that much about that or at least not as much as how the car flows on curvy roads. Also intend to do long distance in my 911.
I wonder what would be Your opinion on the new 911T. Pretty basic one with few options that are making car handle better. In my opinion also on 911T with PDK box. Such a comparision would be really good :)
Loved the very considered and explanatory video. I have a 991.2 Turbo S with the same looking buckets which in spite of their looks are really comfortable even on long journeys. A small point but does anyone know why the folding function has now been deleted on the 992 unlike the 991? The rear seats/shelf are a must for luggage when touring so how can this be accessed if they don’t fold without trying to shoehorn stuff into the back between the front seats???
Very odd with the fold down on the buckets, I don't understand the logic and surely it doesn't save anyone that much money - quite inconvenient. Did you spec the TS with buckets?
@@cski121 bought from Porsche Mid Sussex when it was a little over a year old so originally specked by the first owner. Wasn’t sure when I first saw them but the best seats I’ve ever had. Slightly difficult to get in and out of but then brilliant!
Nice review. Porsche and BMW will always be my 1A and 1B. Porsche has really turned me off with the price hikes however (all while already reporting record earnings). In early 2021 I scored a 992 C2S for $132k ($5k discount off MSRP). Now that same exact car would be $150k. Amazing performance obviously but at the time I traded my $60k M2 comp in on the car and had trouble deciding which one I preferred sadly. Long story short, new M2 on order for $67k. Far cry from $150k and in my opinion just as much fun.
Fair review. Thank you.
Compare/contrast this GTS suspension with the GT3 wishbone? Harshness, compliance, tram lining, turn in and general busyness?
Brave to offer any constructive criticism of Porsche.
No joke, but the manual shift action in older Porsche (like my 1st and 2nd gen Cayman S) is pretty brilliant. You don't have the same "plastic" feel and there is a weight on the box itself that makes it feel like you're reloading a gun. I wonder do you guys know how to fix that with aftermarket parts on new P cars?
Numeric shifter 👍
I had a 718 spyder manual last year. The gear ratios were horrendous, amazing car, amazing engine but I was literally were driving around in 2nd gear everywhere, booting it in 3rd or 4th was lose your license speeds….
Yes such a pity, brilliant box, horrendous ratios
That's why pd is so awesome suits the engine perfectly
Reason for ratio’s are emissions 😢
Jokeelees on da harree metcaff roads ayyyyeeee 😘
Nice launch...but you are telling me Porsche limits the amount of rpm's you can use from a stop with the clutch pushed in in their manuals (and I assume non RS PDK's)? In other words you can't rev the rpm's up to say 5,000 RPM to do a launch? I own a 2018 GT2 RS and with both paddles pulled in (Neutral) i can rev the engine to redline if I want and then release both paddles, (dumping the clutch).
To short shift? or to money shift? 😆 A sense of humour is a wonderful thing. 😂
Since AUDI refuse to give their cars the power they should have...I’m now looking to get my first Porsche ... great video to watch !
Stage 1 RS3, TTRS? 500whp
The tall gearing seems to be an issue in a couple of new Porsches. This would seem to be a wonderful business opportunity for a company with the skills to produce a new set of cogs for the gearbox or a shorter diff. I see there is a mob in the US increasing the 718 GTS 4.0 to 4.5 litres with shorter close ratio gearing. I assumes they replaced the cogs in the current box with their own manufactured set.
lol
Interesting. These cars are focus cars…..for a specific task and purpose I suppose. I have struggled to understand if I need a 911 any variant, any transmission, since I don’t track, on these straight stretches of Florida roads. Even my 718 MT spyder seems out of place as a sports car. Might as well drive a Toyota Avalon..haha for long trips or a Miata to the beach.
Couple of thoughts.
Rear wheel steer is excellent. I’ve got it on my GTS. You can’t judge it on one drive.
Lightweight package is classic Porsche marketing hype. 25kg weight saving is irrelevant in the real world.
Finally, why oh why would you buy such a fast car with such a slow gearbox?
I’ll wait for the counter views 😊
Not sure how the 911 rear steer works however I thought at higher speeds the system should work in reverse to increase the sensation of stability… perhaps the 911 system does not work in this way, might just be down to how it’s programmed as it mechanically should be able to move in that way
I’ve got a 992 Carrera S…i agree suspension to hard for B roads & some A roads..on motorway absolutely perfect..
I love that color
PDK may suit the car better. But it still leaves you with too little to do in a road driving context. PDK is great for track, but for road driving even a suboptimal manual is a zillion times more engaging. What are you supposed to do with this car on a public road with the PDK box? You can't go after the car's limits, they're too high. At least with manual you get some public road-speed engagement and and can get some enjoyment from finessing your shifts and rev matches. With PDK, you're really just going to be driving well within the cars limits and feeling pretty detached.
My paint to sample gts manual coupe allocation has been pushed to .2 now, and the longer i wait the more i’m getting over it. I spec’d to put the c2s pasm in it to sort the ride. But I just feel like it’s not special enough a drivetrain for price, which just keeps creeping up as I wait. Porsche would have to do something special in the .2 to get me interested again
Seeing new 992.2 are you getting one ? And no manual now !
I kept my 992 GTS for a grand total of 12 days. I had a PDK, it was soul-less, lacked any emotion, uncomfortable and had an annoying high pitched engine note. for a stick of over $200k it just didn't right.
How you coming up with 4.1 0-60 Porsche says 2.8 pdk but still
I have driven the 992 GT3, had it for two days. Its a brutal ride on the road, the steering is darty. Dont get me wrong great track car, on 90% of most public roads you cannot revv it to its glorious 9k redline. I would take the GTS all day
Couldn't agree more on 4 wheel steer on 911s. Had it on my 991.2 gts and didn't love it as it kinda ruins the traditional Porsche driving experience. But I do love it and it does make sense on my RS etron gt.... can't wait to see what they do with the 992.2 but with the recent porsche price increases, we're into the 200k USD territory for a gts. don't think I could justify spending that kind of cash on a sports car no matter how good it is. and a base 911 is around 150k! with any decent options. I would rather save 50k and get an m3 xdrive and get a car thats faster, more practical, and almost as good dynamically
I habe a 992 C4 GTS and I have to disagree. It works perfectly fine as a daily. It is not too harsh. It is a sports car 🙄
Tyre setting
And yours a AWD .
All wheel drive will do much better than 3.66 sec 🚀
Joe, if you had the keys to this 992 or the 718 GTS, which would you pick for a day of B road driving?
I've had both, the 4ltr 718 GTS and previously a 992 C2S. To me they are completely different cars. 718s are fun, small, nippy and with the 4ltr make a great sound and drive, the latter are almost identical volume to a 964 too. The 911 is a more grand touring car, better for longer trips, far nicer looking, more refined and at the end of the day it is a "911", they feel more senior in terms of every aspect of the car but they are getting bulky for UK B-roads. Whilst the GT4 RS & Spyder RS are great looking (and seemingly driving) bits of kit they will always be junior to a full blown 911 GT (as in GT2/3/RS) model, they occupy a different sector of the market. Saying that for British B road driving I'd likely go with a 4ltr 718 GTS manual or PDK, the one I had was PDK but I've a Touring w/ manual and the six speed is exceptional.
How is it that a GTS doesn't come with a GTS interior as standard?! 🤔
Is that the same road that Harry uses for his videos? Looks like a fun stretch
Dont think so. Harry uses the A361 and B4437 from Burford to Charbury which I drive a few times a week. Awesome IF its clear.
Yes Harry’s favored test route.
I really wish we could have a lightweight package with the aerokit
BTW rear wheel steer is amazing and is a must have option - dont listen to this guy.
The whole point of the manual is to light up the tyres, but there is a limiter. 🙂