Apparently, the comics have just been released as an omnibus last month. The movie is based on the first "volume," meaning the first third of the comics, I guess. Some things in the movie felt molded by the 1990 movie, which I love to death, so I expect the comics reflect that even more.
"And, what did you expect?? Them coming out quoting McBeth?!?" "They're are stupid!" "No, they're not stupid, they're infants!" "Well, ok, they're are stupid infants.." Prof Perry was like Shredder, and those two rubbed off each other in a very funny way.
The 1990 movie and 2007 cgi movie are my favorite out of all of the ninja turtles movies, the fight scene at the end of the 2007 cgi movie between the turtles and the stone statue generals was done amazingly, I got bumped watching it when I was kid and I still do to this day.
@@kadosho02 To this day, I think the scene with Leo and Raph in the rain is one of the all-time best scenes in Turtles history, certainly in the movies. Some fans argue that Leo acts out of character in that scene but I’m not sure I agree. It seems like a scene that could have easily followed directly from the OG 1990 film, from what we see of Raph and Leo’s relationship (think of the argument in April’s apartment after Splinter is kidnapped).
@@NoneofYourBusiness667 the dynamic between the two shows how much they grew, and apart. Raph actually became the leader, while Leo faded seeking more as Raph once did. I have to be honest I don't think we needed reboots. Even though we have several. Where as this film knew what the fandom wanted to see, characters grow change direction, find something new to connect They may have butted heads, but there is love in there. It may not show at first, but they count on one another, in everything
For me 2007 is a serious contender for the worst one. And I disagree with the video that it's the closest to the first one. The first movie is dark, but in an audience appropriate manner. It creates problems kids and (young) teenagers would care about, and then talks about them without talking down to the audience. Being cool, having stuff, staying friends, stealing is bad, abusive father figures, it's all there. 2007 is dark and edgy because it brings boring adult problems into this world and then pouts about them a lot. It shoves 2 of the Turtles almost completely out of the movie and it refuses at all times to have fun, despite the ridiculousness of what is supposedly the plot. Yes, the turtles have fought basically everything in the comics and the several shows, that's exactly why if you can't think of any original idea that's kind of good enough there's plenty of great stuff you can borrow instead. The plot they settled on here made little sense, and didn't even fit into the movie. There's 3 beasts of I think 13 or something that get any kind of screentime. Also the last one is a giant dragon which was expected to fit into a metal box smaller than itself and is also somehow really easy to mistake for a turtle. And that sentence is an example of the kind of ridiculousness that would work great in a Turtles movie if only it was not trying this hard to be a gritty reboot too. "I'm Batman." And even then some of the film's logic storms straight past what would work in a more lighthearted flick and goes straight into the realm of parody, like Leonardo being sent away to be alone in the jungle for a long time to learn leadership skills. How? Now, apparently this was supposed to be a trilogy, and the two best turtles would get focused on in the other two films, which makes it kind of slightly better to not feature them here? But also not really, that's more TV-series stuff anyway, featuring a team and only looking at half the team at a time. There was also apparently more inspiration from other sources in those movies. The second one would have been about the Triceratons*. (A thing that I feel didn't quite work when the comics first went there, but there has been plenty of time to develop them.) (Also: with Korai there as a big thing previously used in the 2003 cartoon I suppose Shredder was an Utrom all along. That's how he'd be coming back.) But the finished product as it stands? I prefer the video game they based on it. I also prefer Turtles Forever, Batman vs TMNT and the Rise of the TMNT movie. I'm happy to hear other people enjoyed it a lot, it's just not my thing I guess. The first one is dark and brilliant, this one is TMNT 2007. Also, what is up with the human models? How can you make a movie about mutant turtles and have the humans be the uncanny valley creepshow? *Edit: Nope, that's the third one. See the rest of the comment section.
for me it goes from best to worst original tmnt mutant mayhem out of the shadows secret of the ooze 2014 3 turtles forever is definitely worth mentioning btw. crossover between the original show, the 2003 show, and the original comic book turtles in one movie. 1st time you've done a video like this that I'm fully able to weigh in on and i absolutely love it 😁
The reason that there was no sequel to TMNT was because the studio that made it, shut down and filed for bankruptcy after Astro Boy bombed. They even had ideas for the rest of the two movies planned out, well kind of. The second movie was going to be focusing on Michelangelo, who feels that he wasn't being taken seriously, so he joins the Foot clan. I know it's hard to believe but they even had promotional poster ideas planned out. Which would show a city street in the rain, a manhole covers partially open with Mikey's orange bandana laying on the pavement. The third movie would have featured the Triceratons. Donatello makes a mistake resulting in the Technodrome, and causing dimensional tears or something. Not much information was given on that one.
I know childhood nostalgia plays a big part of it, but I still love Secret of the Ooze to this day. Sure, it's a tonal shift and a step down from the first one, but I watched those two on repeat as a kid. It's still a very fun movie.
Yea 2nd 1 was on repeat when friends wud come over love the 1st 1 as well but 2 was always quoted growing up that opening scene wit all the pizza was amazing and keno was awesome 2 and the rest is all a blur 2 me it's jus og 1 and 2 the goat of turtle movies
Was a young Father when these movies came out. The backlash from teachers/parents of the kicking and beating with sticks that broke out on playgrounds around the country🤣🤣🤣 was huge!
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The problem with TMNT (2007) was that it looked very dull and bland, especially the animation. You have to consider that Pixar was at its height around this time as well, so other animated projects would fall on the way side. Upon watching the film, when I was 17, I found the villains uninteresting, but the turtles were characterised so well. I just think the marketing department and animators let that film down.
If I remember right '07 did make money. The problem was the animation studio wanted so badly to make a "Battle for the Planets" animated movie and did a teaser for it. But they had a TV show that bombed (Father of the Pride) and their next film, Astro Boy (which had Nic Cage in it and it wasn't bad actually but just didn't resonate with American audiences) bombed and that sadly bankrupted the studio. They had a teaser poster that revealed all the Turtles (save Michelangelo) and Splinter would be demutated by Shredder.
Hey Tony!! Great episode!! I love how you always have your franchise merch out for whatever franchise you are talking about. Do you have patreon episodes where you showcase the merch like figures and stuff? Would love to see something like that on your channel. You are the man for the job!!
I got a good laugh at Kevin say saying in Turtles 2, Secret of the Ooze. The turtles never take the weapons off their back at the moment it shows Leonardo holding both swords in his hands. Plus, Donatello used his Bo staff a few times in the movie.
I often remark that the crews involved with the Bay Turtle films would have been better suited to working on an equally big budgetted Street Sharks film. One of the qualities that always seperated the Sharks from the turtles was how obviously the Sharks pulled from action films where the turtles always pulled from sci-fi and B-movies. The exageratted Hollywood tone of the Bay films would have been so much better suited to Street Sharks. Street Sharks is the McBain/Schwarzenegger to TMNT's Bruce Lee/Jean Claude VanDamme
The subplot in TMNT 3 with the Japanese warriors who were transported to the present could have been a fun and funny fish out of water storyline, but they don't hardly do anything with it. They stay down in the sewer for most of the movie, and at the end it shows them at like a bar with arcade games. It could've been way better.
I have always wondered if there was a directors cut, and we actually saw the world thru their eyes. Could have been fun. Plus Casey as a tour guide? The best
@kadosho02 yeah, they brought back one of my all time favorite actors in Elias Koteas and they didn't do anything with him. There was so much potential to have a lot of fun with literally a double fish out of water story with the Turtles in Fuedal Japan and the Japanese warriors in modern New York. The Turtles never feel out of place at all. They just go around being themselves and somehow being a talking Turtle only scares certain "bad" people.
At least the soldiers were dancing to Baltimora's "Tarzan Boy," that was funny, riiiight?... And yeah, I remember thinking it was great that they got Elias Koteas back, but they didn't do anything with Casey Jones OR that stupid ancestor character that hardly talks. Geez, thinking about the movie now made me realize how little I've thought about it in the last 20-25 years, I guess I've been trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Rise of the TMNT continues to get the shaft. While the Netflix movie does serve as a finale to the show, there isn't really anything that is absolutely necessary to know to get into and watch the Netflix movie. It definitely works as a standalone with a couple of small show references here and there. It's 90 mins of the turtles fighting a bunch of Krangs with huge money going into the fights and animation.
The reason they didn’t use bebop and rocksteady in turtles 2 is cause new line only had the film rights for the comic books and bebop and rocksteady were created solely for the cartoon and owned by dic. It was a copyright issue at that time. The irony is that after the movie tokka and razaar ended up appearing on the cartoon. As a kid I loved turtles 2 more than turtles 1. It registered better with me as I found the first 1 very boring and the dominos stuff angered me as even then I said they’re in NY with all the best pizza and they want dominos? In turtles 2 Roys pizza looked amazing and I love how the movie opens with the whole city eating pizza.
People can definitely learn fighting from books. I had a friend that loved karate as a kid and was given a karate book. He practiced everyday for months, until his cousin told him it was fake and he threw the book away. 2 years later he got jumped by kids at school. He hip flipped one of them into a brick wall and the others took off.
Oh interesting! Yeah it was always kind of strange that the lab place that the ooze was made in was completely empty, those missing scenes would have made it make more sense. and that actually sounds cool
I never found Vernon snobby in the cartoon he was always trying to steal April's job as the top reporter in this movie Vernon is trying to get with April which is different & I don't mind that.
2007 was not just Transformers and Rise of the Silver Surfer but also I am Legend, Spider Man 3 and Live Free or Die Hard, so a movie like Tmnt easily got swept under the rug with those franchises.
On the note of Karai, the '03 series is what made her popular and a staple of the franchise, not the TMNT film which would have been after she was in 3 seasons of the show, so the director probably wanted to use her because the then current fanbase who already know who she was. It's also what cemented her as being related to the Shredder (usually has daughter in some way). She wasn't used much before that point because the arc that introduced her in the comics came out at the tail end of the '87 series and after turtles 3.
The way I weigh it out is Secret of the Ooze could have been a worth sequel if there was no studio interference or rushed production. If they took the time, it could have been solid. But I have a soft spot for it because there are some interesting ideas and David Warner is a delight to watch. TMNT 3 was doomed from the start. If they picked a better story and didn't cheapen out on the special effects, it would have been passable. But, at the time, turtles were out and dinosaurs were in. What astounds me more is hear the director's audio commentary on the German blu-ray confirm there is a 3 hour cut of this beast. That already says a lot for me.
Here’s my idea of a modern reboot of TMNT. It all begins decades before the actual story in Japan. A shinobi clan, the precursor to the Foot Clan, is dying out as in the ever-changing modern era, ninjas are becoming irrelevant. And the clan has been completely split and are close to civil war with one group; “the Evolvers” wanting to evolve with the world at the cost of everything they are, and the others, “the Traditionalists”, wishing to continue to stagnate while remaining true to their ways. After the clans' civil war end, the very few surviving members of the traditionalist fee to the US a start over. Among them is a very young, and I want to emphasize the very young part; like 15-20-23 years old… Hamato Yoshi aka Splinter. The years go by, and Splinter has grown up and now works at Sax Industries as a scientist in NYC. Where he, Baxter Stockman, Eric Sax, and others are working to change the world. It’s here he earns his he name Splinter as when he once got a painful splinter under his fingernail and opposite of his elbow that both caused him pain constantly… he refused to get it removed or see anyone because he was too focused on the experiment. The called splinter as not even a splinter under his nails could distract him. Things changed when after a incident with an inter-dimensional portal soaked 4 test dummy turtles in strange ooze and a lab explosion, he found that Baxter only wants fame, and Sax is only motivation us money. And that was the good news, the bad news is Sax is selling stuff to criminals and terrorists as well as the government and public. Splinter takes action after learning the cops are being paid off, but Sax’s adopted father is someone from Splinters past… Oroku Saki aka The Shredder. After destroying everything he worked spent many years, sleepless nights, and long days to make a reality, while personally lamenting how everything he had ever work on and dedicated his life to was quite literally going up in smoke before his very eyes… made worse by the fact it was being done by his own hands… and accidentally exposing himself to the ooze from the portal incident and being confronted by either Sax, Shredder’s Lieutenant, or Shredder himself, he ended up washing into the NYC sewers. There he found the old test turtles and as time went one both the turtles and Splinter began to mutate into humanoid animals. Splinter took to raise the 4 creatures as his own kids. He named them Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael, Donatello after he 4 Renaissance figures as the Renaissance is a period of history he has always been facilitated by. Even teaching the ninjitsu, mostly due to never being able to shake the feeling that Shredder would find him and return to finish the clan’s civil war started. Thus, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we’re born. Splinter is now a middle-aged man in his early to mid 50s, and the turtles are teens. Meanwhile while all that had happened, Oroku Saki had been very busy. After the “Evolvers” took over the clan, going from a shinobi family clan to a mercenary organization that would work for anyone if they had the cash. From Yakuza and foreign dictators to freedom fighters and CIA-esque agencies. Thus, the Foot Clan was born. Oroku Saki, who at the time of the "Evolvers" taking over was 18-23-25 years old, definitely older that Splinter regardless, started as a basic operator eventually working his way up the ladder becoming the leader of the Foot. Now known only as "The Shredder." At some point he adopted a son named Eric Sax after his family died and he was orphaned in Japan and would go on to find his own company, even Using his birth name Sax to throw suspicion off. After a lifetime of serving criminals, Saki decided the Foot would now be the commanders not the commanded. After becoming one of the top ten and top five crime syndicates in all the Yakuza, he turned his attention to the world beyond. With the aid of his beloved son Sax and is corporate, empire the Foot dug out a piece of NYC for themselves. It was here that Sax stepped in. Suppling his father with not only weapons and gear, but now technology and manpower. Within barely 2-3 years the Foot went from a ninja clan for hire with an underworld presence, but few knew that existed, to a successful PMC company that outshined the clan's golden age. With Shredder himself utilizing a mechanized battle suit, and the ninjas using a mix of ancient weapons and modern technology, while the rest of the Foot Clan were now armed with tactical armor and military grade hardware. Sax industries became a shield that supplied advanced state of the art gear and next gen products, and Foot Clan became a sword that utilized them. Sax even created a second military group called within the Foot Clan “Soldiers of Sax” as a more legitimate side to their activities. Where Foot Clan were problematic due to working for anybody for money, Soldier of Sax or SoS, only worked for and fought against terrorists and criminals, while seldom served dictators or criminals. This had a downside that the true ninjas in the Foot, like Karai, Pimiko, and Tatsu, became much, much lower in number and became relegated to being special forces and commandos. While standard issue soldiers and "foot" soldiers, if you will, like Hun, Lotus Blossom, Sax's son Andrew, and Col. Arron, became the main force of the Foot Clan. leading to some friction between the older members and ninjas and the modern PMCs and militiamen. And Shredder can't deal with it because he as other things to worry about. With one being himself. You see Shredder, now in his mid-late 50s, early 60s at most, has become dependent on the suit due to decades of field work along with both personal neglect and disregard of his own health and safety he isn't the unstoppable modern day warlord ninja he once was. But is too prideful to accept it, so he uses the machine to keep himself from waning. That leads us to the modern day and main story. There is a new crime wave sweeping all 5 burrows of NYC. Known only as “The Big Man”, he has (seemingly) united the entire criminal underbelly of New York City. From neighborhood gangbangers and Irish thugs to Triad bosses, and mafia dons; they have all unified. Stretching from the residential neighborhoods, through Chinatown, past Wall Street, to New York Bay... The Big Man has everything and every criminal under one leader. And the Foot Clan has been enlisted to be this New Boss's muscle. The city as contracted the Soldiers of Sax to aid to police in this new crime wave. Unbeknownst to everyone, Sax and the criminals are all on the same side. Giving Shredder complete control of the city. In response to this, the Tmnt have come out from the sewers to fight this crime wave. Using their skills environment, and darkness they become true ninjas; utilizing guerrilla warfare, hit and run tactics, stealth and infiltration, and swift but brutal and lethal strikes, mastery of martial arts and cqc, and being Rambo without the guns. Think the Ninja Assassin film mixed with Rambo and got a good idea of what they are like. All the while they seek to evade the NYPD, SoS, Foot Clan, and the criminal underbelly. As all of this is going on, reporters April O’Neal and later her camera person, Vernon Fenwick I think, seek to fight out the truth of what’s really going on and who it is that’s fighting the criminals, if it even is a single person.
In one of the original scripts for TMNT2, the scientist played by David Warner was actually shady. At the end of the movie it would have been revealed that he was of the same species as Krang. But of course to go with the theme of the movie where characters are not the characters you want them to be. He takes the last container of the ooze and the movie would have ended there. 3 would have continued directly from 2 and probably would have introduced Krang. but nope. TMNT3 was going to be a part of a Turtle multiverse. Within the movie they show a mural, somewhere in that mural you can find a connection to the other media that was going to be a part of this multiverse storyline. The rest of the "clues" were featured in one of the cartoons, and in a comic book. The outcome would have been a movie or cartoon, something that would have brought different versions of the turtles together. It never came to be.
2012 is made for Nickelodeon but they aren't afraid to get dark and heavy with themes. They really push the body horror. Highly recommend. I also love how some episodes are just the turtles inserted into horror movies like F13, The Thing, Alien, etc
TMNT 3 is the worst by far but I don't hate it. My biggest gripe with the movie was the turtles and splinter look cheaply made compared to the first two films.
When Dutch dives to avoid the blast of the Predators self destruct, he's seen going over a fallen tree, then dropping completely out of sight. The faklen tree is at his knee height, showing it is laying on the sane fround that Dutch is running on. So how could Dutch's entire body drop below it? For Dutch to completely below this log, there would have had to have been eithera cliff or a body of water. Either one would would have sheilded Dutch from the blast, allowing Dutch to survive...
TMNT Mutant Mayhem was a lot of fun. Batman vs TMNT was great. Turtles Forever was a TV Movie I believe and had a multiverse. Speaking of shows inspired by TMNT was Toxic Crusaders and I think the toyline was produced by the same manufacturers as the turtles. Great episode!
One of my funniest movie experiences was at the 2007 film. At the end when they are showing the shelf of their collectables from the previous movies, a little kid sitting in front of us turned to his mom and asked, "Is that the Shredder's mask?" Quite understandable, given his age. After a few seconds, my buddy Perry turns to my brother and asks the exact same thing, and was 100% serious. He even said afterward that he didn't hear the kid say anything. 🤣
With all the inconsistencies with Splinter, I'm surprised that they haven't went with the original cartoon version, where in the opening credits he was originally human and transformed into a sewer rat.
All these years later I still find myself wishing that the Bay Turtles had gone ahead with embracing the alien origin idea. Going off some of the concept art floating around online we could have gotten way better designs than what we ended up with. It also would have been interesting to see them go somewhere with that alien origin over delivering a by-the-numbers 2010's Micheal Bay action movie. Not only that but it would have added some intrigue to this incarnation. As they are the two paramount movies just feel very paint by numbers TMNT. That said I enjoyed the second film far more than I did the first. Where they failed with the turtles and shredder they excelled with Bebop and Rocksteady.
the thing in turtles 3 about the "turtles from further back in the past" is a reference to japanese Kappa demons which look like turtles. which is why the turtles get called Kappa in the movie by the japanese people a few times (iirc)
I don't know, it has some stiff competition from the Bayverse turtles movies. It might be the worst though because it was at tail end of the decline of TMNT live action movies (not the end as that distinction belongs to the live action tv show with Venus Demilo)
@@strifenineteen Those movies aren't nearly as bad TMNT 3. They have some issues, (like the look of the turtles, some plot issues) but overall they're fun movies - which they agree with in this episode
What I don't get about turtles 2 is why did shredder need mutants. He whipped the turtles on his own. He just needs to not do something stupid if splinter shows up.
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GREAT JOB GUYS! As always, nice to have Kevin on! He rocks and is incredibly knowledgeable... This was a nice nostalgic throwback diagnosis of the franchise platform as a whole. WELLDONE! LOVED IT. 🥰🤟
27:14 if I recall correctly, this was meant to be a tie in through the comics, cartoon, and movies- I believe the scroll is meant to reference the cartoon episode where they go back in time and accidentally found the Foot Clan
TMNT 3 amuses me because it's just a notch in the Stuart "I gotta play a bad guy in almost every 90s action movie" Wilson. I don't know which came first Lethal Weapon 3 or this to herald this era of his but it was a fun one.
I really enjoy TMNT 1990 the best. Honestly didn’t watch most of the newer versions. I will the see the newest movie soon. 🍕 ⚔️ 🐢 🐀 Glad to see the PegWarmers host. He did really good.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention Splinter literally stabbing a man in the face in Mutant Mayham. Not a robot, an actual guy just doing his job. Me, my brother, and my friend were in absolute shock and laughing our asses off.
Everyone knows it’s III. I distinctly remember seeing that in the drive-in when it came out and immediately recall it being when my love for all things TMNT died. 😂
I met some of the cast of the first movie (and 2's Shredder) Judith Hoag was amazing, super friendly, Ernie Reyes Jr... I hope he's okay. Seemed sad or hungover 😂 I got my April Figure signed, my Surf Ninjas DVD Signed and a signed photo of Quick Kick from GI Joe 😂 (2's Shredder, François Chau voiced him) he also said he loved the first TMNT so when he got the part to play Shredder in 2 he was excited but said he didn't do anything
I'd have to say the 3rd movie is the worst. The first two are fantastic, TMNT was a fine, mutant Mayhem was great, Michael bay-produced films were schlocky but fun.
The 1990 Michaelangelo definitely made a lot of comments toward April. Usually one liners. He makes a few comments to her in SotO. But yeah, in the Bay movies, he definitely comes off way more in love with her.
TMNT 2007 is 𝙉𝙊𝙏 connected to the 1990's films. Peter Laird explained this. Not to mention EVERYTHING was completely ripped from the comics and 2003 show, including the character designs, and lair design. Like even the toys for 03 show just used these designs since they were basically the exact same
6:01 'Secret Of The Ooze' was the first Turtles movie I saw in theaters with my dad. I think I saw the first one the first time I saw it was on VHS at a SAM'S store VHS display shopping with my mom in late in 1990 or early 1991 before 'Secret Of The Ooze' dropped.
I heard on a podcast I used to listen to that the reason why Bebop and Rock steady weren't in Secret of The Ooz was apparently because of rights issues.
The TMNT2:SOTO portion made me wish Mike was back as the guest host instead of this guy. April recast- not due to Judith thinking the movie was too violent, but that the stunt crew's work was to dangerous without proper protection due to being a non union production. Shredder- NOT the same actor. 1st- James Siato. Been in tons of stuff as character actor. 2nd- François Chau another character actor in EVERYTHING. Lost fans know him best as Dr. Pierre Chang. And as for him being more like cartoon, they made his suit purple instead of red. Turtle lair- Now a former train station. On top of them discussing needing a new one, we get the search for it where Raph decides to go solo again, but with Kano this time. The turtles find the new lair. They have enough time to whip into shape as they bring back Ra's Al ghul to a clean looking environment. Tokka and Rahzar- yes movie need to be more kiddie friendly but they didn't want to use cartoon characters for rights issues. Shredder is their mom not dad. The can was the last of the ooze as Not Baxter had destroyed the rest. Kano- The origin of my hatred for human characters. God I fucking hate that character. Ernie once told me he hated Kano after a while too, not his time on the movie, but Kano the character. He used to come into AZ Mills and work a kiosk next to my Gameworks. TMNT 3: Turtles in Time is why Highlander is now called Highlander: The Movie on some sites like Amazon.
@@alexfischer7876 oh yea, Tony totally failed on that. No wonder he only sprung for the nosebleed section. A true fan would have done the irresponsible thing and sold his left kidney for front row seats.
Shredder can easily survive. He had a soft landing on trash bags and the compactor doesn't squish it just pushes the garbage up into the truck. The helmet was just in an unlucky spot.
The original movie has never aired UK television and has only come up on streaming for the first time this month! I watched it for the first time. It was pretty good especially for a kids movie. They did night time so much better in the 80s/90s
Wow! That picture of Leonardo caveman brought me back I had that one too. I totally forgot about that. I also had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 bicycle with training wheels when I was a kid.
Really wish they would go back old school with state of the art animatronic suits with kickass martial artists in the suits. Make the turtles all just bad ass “jason Bourne” mfer’s. An R rated faithful adaptation of the original comic, no more of this muppet babies turtle shit.
1. TMNT (1990) 2. Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3. TMNT (2007) 4. Turtles Forever 5. TMNT: Mutant Mayhem 6. TMNT: Secret of the Ooze 7. Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie 8. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9. TMNT (2014) 10. TMNT 3
24:22 Same for me, Tony…same for me I remember when my mom would warm up some Trader Joe’s Mac n’ Cheese balls. I’d sit at the front of the TV and just astonish myself at said-masterpiece. It may not be everyone’s favorite, but it was mine
Honestly the hard to choose which one is worse and also kind of surprised u missed the Rise of TMNT Netflix film idk if it would've counted for the movie list but even the TMNT movies each one is good or great in its own way and will still watch each of the movies.
Having gone through the Rise of the TMNT show and movie, the only similarities to the Bay turtles is Raph is big and Donatello has a tech backpack. Its way closer to Teen Titans Go with its energy, but its real influences are from anime. The endig is just Gurren Lagann. There are more similarities between Bay Turtles and the 2012 show with Donatello having a crush on April for a majority of the series, Karai is a focus and the Krang bringing tech to Earth.
Not sure about the worst (Hate 3 and the Bay movies), but tell you what, the second best one is one of the most overlooked ones, and it is the Rise of the TMNT movie. I know it was not theatrical, but it is legit amazing. The animation is outstanding and the story is heartfelt. That being said, haven't seen the newest one yet though.
8:08 Eastman and Laird didn't want Rocksteady and Bebop in the movie cause those characters weren't their creations. So Tokka and Razor are the compromise.
For years i have vague memories of this 90s cartoon about waliing talking dinosaurs with a very TMNT feel. Ive googled everything i can think of, aje cant find it and they guys say Extreme Dinos!!!! But that wasnt it haha. They were like in armor and there were fice of them if anyone knows.....
Thank you for acknowledging how unbelievably boring the "real" Mandarin in Shang Chi is. So many people make him out to be one of the great MCU villains. I don't get it.. I'm sad that we never got to see Jon Favreau's vision for The Mandarin. He compared the buildup to the character to that of The Emperor in the Star Wars trilogy.
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The 2007 movie had a sequel in the works but the sale of the turtles franchise got it scrapped.
I know it's not a "pure" TMNT film, but the animated movie "Batman vs. Ninja Turtles" is a real gem! Good story. Action-packed. 🙂
Surprised by the creative use of the ooze and Batman villian mix
Apparently, the comics have just been released as an omnibus last month. The movie is based on the first "volume," meaning the first third of the comics, I guess. Some things in the movie felt molded by the 1990 movie, which I love to death, so I expect the comics reflect that even more.
Should've been daredevil
@@Ray-c1r Marvel is probably still a little salty at Eastman and Laird for parodying them in that first issue
@@clockstomper hmmm maybe
i still quote "theyre babies!" all of the time, IRL. Turtles 2 holds a very special spot in my heart.
"And, what did you expect?? Them coming out quoting McBeth?!?"
"They're are stupid!"
"No, they're not stupid, they're infants!"
"Well, ok, they're are stupid infants.."
Prof Perry was like Shredder, and those two rubbed off each other in a very funny way.
The 1990 movie and 2007 cgi movie are my favorite out of all of the ninja turtles movies, the fight scene at the end of the 2007 cgi movie between the turtles and the stone statue generals was done amazingly, I got bumped watching it when I was kid and I still do to this day.
The scene of Leo vs Raph in the rain. Their perspective, the bond broken, and they duel. Only with a resolution that hurts even more
@@kadosho02 To this day, I think the scene with Leo and Raph in the rain is one of the all-time best scenes in Turtles history, certainly in the movies. Some fans argue that Leo acts out of character in that scene but I’m not sure I agree. It seems like a scene that could have easily followed directly from the OG 1990 film, from what we see of Raph and Leo’s relationship (think of the argument in April’s apartment after Splinter is kidnapped).
@@NoneofYourBusiness667 the dynamic between the two shows how much they grew, and apart. Raph actually became the leader, while Leo faded seeking more as Raph once did.
I have to be honest I don't think we needed reboots. Even though we have several. Where as this film knew what the fandom wanted to see, characters grow change direction, find something new to connect
They may have butted heads, but there is love in there. It may not show at first, but they count on one another, in everything
For me 2007 is a serious contender for the worst one. And I disagree with the video that it's the closest to the first one. The first movie is dark, but in an audience appropriate manner. It creates problems kids and (young) teenagers would care about, and then talks about them without talking down to the audience. Being cool, having stuff, staying friends, stealing is bad, abusive father figures, it's all there. 2007 is dark and edgy because it brings boring adult problems into this world and then pouts about them a lot. It shoves 2 of the Turtles almost completely out of the movie and it refuses at all times to have fun, despite the ridiculousness of what is supposedly the plot. Yes, the turtles have fought basically everything in the comics and the several shows, that's exactly why if you can't think of any original idea that's kind of good enough there's plenty of great stuff you can borrow instead. The plot they settled on here made little sense, and didn't even fit into the movie. There's 3 beasts of I think 13 or something that get any kind of screentime. Also the last one is a giant dragon which was expected to fit into a metal box smaller than itself and is also somehow really easy to mistake for a turtle. And that sentence is an example of the kind of ridiculousness that would work great in a Turtles movie if only it was not trying this hard to be a gritty reboot too. "I'm Batman." And even then some of the film's logic storms straight past what would work in a more lighthearted flick and goes straight into the realm of parody, like Leonardo being sent away to be alone in the jungle for a long time to learn leadership skills. How?
Now, apparently this was supposed to be a trilogy, and the two best turtles would get focused on in the other two films, which makes it kind of slightly better to not feature them here? But also not really, that's more TV-series stuff anyway, featuring a team and only looking at half the team at a time. There was also apparently more inspiration from other sources in those movies. The second one would have been about the Triceratons*. (A thing that I feel didn't quite work when the comics first went there, but there has been plenty of time to develop them.) (Also: with Korai there as a big thing previously used in the 2003 cartoon I suppose Shredder was an Utrom all along. That's how he'd be coming back.) But the finished product as it stands? I prefer the video game they based on it. I also prefer Turtles Forever, Batman vs TMNT and the Rise of the TMNT movie. I'm happy to hear other people enjoyed it a lot, it's just not my thing I guess. The first one is dark and brilliant, this one is TMNT 2007.
Also, what is up with the human models? How can you make a movie about mutant turtles and have the humans be the uncanny valley creepshow?
*Edit: Nope, that's the third one. See the rest of the comment section.
for me it goes from best to worst
original
tmnt
mutant mayhem
out of the shadows
secret of the ooze
2014
3
turtles forever is definitely worth mentioning btw. crossover between the original show, the 2003 show, and the original comic book turtles in one movie.
1st time you've done a video like this that I'm fully able to weigh in on and i absolutely love it 😁
The reason that there was no sequel to TMNT was because the studio that made it, shut down and filed for bankruptcy after Astro Boy bombed. They even had ideas for the rest of the two movies planned out, well kind of. The second movie was going to be focusing on Michelangelo, who feels that he wasn't being taken seriously, so he joins the Foot clan. I know it's hard to believe but they even had promotional poster ideas planned out. Which would show a city street in the rain, a manhole covers partially open with Mikey's orange bandana laying on the pavement. The third movie would have featured the Triceratons. Donatello makes a mistake resulting in the Technodrome, and causing dimensional tears or something. Not much information was given on that one.
That just worsens my depression lol
TMNT 1990 is the GOAT. Nothing compares to it!!!!
💯 FACTS!!
No contest!!
I want to argue but I can't argue with facts
That's WHY HE'S THE GOAT! THE GOAT!
Cleeeeeear
I know childhood nostalgia plays a big part of it, but I still love Secret of the Ooze to this day. Sure, it's a tonal shift and a step down from the first one, but I watched those two on repeat as a kid. It's still a very fun movie.
Absolutely
Same to all of this
Yea 2nd 1 was on repeat when friends wud come over love the 1st 1 as well but 2 was always quoted growing up that opening scene wit all the pizza was amazing and keno was awesome 2 and the rest is all a blur 2 me it's jus og 1 and 2 the goat of turtle movies
@@relicdad881 is the business f 2 😆
Was a young Father when these movies came out. The backlash from teachers/parents of the kicking and beating with sticks that broke out on playgrounds around the country🤣🤣🤣 was huge!
From what I remember, Eastman and Laird hated Bebop and Rocksteady and didn't want them in Secret Of The Ooze.
Different licenses for the show and the movie franchises.
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The problem with TMNT (2007) was that it looked very dull and bland, especially the animation.
You have to consider that Pixar was at its height around this time as well, so other animated projects would fall on the way side.
Upon watching the film, when I was 17, I found the villains uninteresting, but the turtles were characterised so well.
I just think the marketing department and animators let that film down.
If I remember right '07 did make money. The problem was the animation studio wanted so badly to make a "Battle for the Planets" animated movie and did a teaser for it. But they had a TV show that bombed (Father of the Pride) and their next film, Astro Boy (which had Nic Cage in it and it wasn't bad actually but just didn't resonate with American audiences) bombed and that sadly bankrupted the studio. They had a teaser poster that revealed all the Turtles (save Michelangelo) and Splinter would be demutated by Shredder.
Imagi was taken away too soon. Sigh.
I really wish they had the opportunity to create another TMNT film
Hey Tony!! Great episode!! I love how you always have your franchise merch out for whatever franchise you are talking about. Do you have patreon episodes where you showcase the merch like figures and stuff? Would love to see something like that on your channel. You are the man for the job!!
I got a good laugh at Kevin say saying in Turtles 2, Secret of the Ooze. The turtles never take the weapons off their back at the moment it shows Leonardo holding both swords in his hands. Plus, Donatello used his Bo staff a few times in the movie.
Raphael catches a slice with his sai
Leo literally takes two slashes at a guy but he dodges it and they play it for comedy...HE WAS HEAD HUNTING !
I often remark that the crews involved with the Bay Turtle films would have been better suited to working on an equally big budgetted Street Sharks film. One of the qualities that always seperated the Sharks from the turtles was how obviously the Sharks pulled from action films where the turtles always pulled from sci-fi and B-movies. The exageratted Hollywood tone of the Bay films would have been so much better suited to Street Sharks. Street Sharks is the McBain/Schwarzenegger to TMNT's Bruce Lee/Jean Claude VanDamme
The subplot in TMNT 3 with the Japanese warriors who were transported to the present could have been a fun and funny fish out of water storyline, but they don't hardly do anything with it. They stay down in the sewer for most of the movie, and at the end it shows them at like a bar with arcade games. It could've been way better.
I have always wondered if there was a directors cut, and we actually saw the world thru their eyes. Could have been fun. Plus Casey as a tour guide? The best
@kadosho02 yeah, they brought back one of my all time favorite actors in Elias Koteas and they didn't do anything with him. There was so much potential to have a lot of fun with literally a double fish out of water story with the Turtles in Fuedal Japan and the Japanese warriors in modern New York. The Turtles never feel out of place at all. They just go around being themselves and somehow being a talking Turtle only scares certain "bad" people.
They should have fought The Foot Clan !
@deontecoleman7047 it would have been cool If they fought the very first foot clan.
At least the soldiers were dancing to Baltimora's "Tarzan Boy," that was funny, riiiight?... And yeah, I remember thinking it was great that they got Elias Koteas back, but they didn't do anything with Casey Jones OR that stupid ancestor character that hardly talks. Geez, thinking about the movie now made me realize how little I've thought about it in the last 20-25 years, I guess I've been trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Rise of the TMNT continues to get the shaft. While the Netflix movie does serve as a finale to the show, there isn't really anything that is absolutely necessary to know to get into and watch the Netflix movie. It definitely works as a standalone with a couple of small show references here and there. It's 90 mins of the turtles fighting a bunch of Krangs with huge money going into the fights and animation.
The reason they didn’t use bebop and rocksteady in turtles 2 is cause new line only had the film rights for the comic books and bebop and rocksteady were created solely for the cartoon and owned by dic. It was a copyright issue at that time.
The irony is that after the movie tokka and razaar ended up appearing on the cartoon.
As a kid I loved turtles 2 more than turtles 1. It registered better with me as I found the first 1 very boring and the dominos stuff angered me as even then I said they’re in NY with all the best pizza and they want dominos? In turtles 2 Roys pizza looked amazing and I love how the movie opens with the whole city eating pizza.
I feel like every kid in the 90s liked the 2nd one the most.
People can definitely learn fighting from books. I had a friend that loved karate as a kid and was given a karate book. He practiced everyday for months, until his cousin told him it was fake and he threw the book away. 2 years later he got jumped by kids at school. He hip flipped one of them into a brick wall and the others took off.
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I needed this Tony and kevin. I am a store manager in retail. Dealing with so much sh** right now its ridiculous. Thanks guys
I have to watch the opening to secret of the ooze on repeat every time I eat pizza.
The "Secret" of the Ooze never filmed. It was suppose to be the Scientist who made the Ooze was an Utrom (Krang) but it was cut
Oh interesting! Yeah it was always kind of strange that the lab place that the ooze was made in was completely empty, those missing scenes would have made it make more sense. and that actually sounds cool
Probably didn't think Krang could fit the tone of the movie. Shame.
I remember the second movie fondly. I guess they had to save violence points by withholding weapons so that they could do the garbage truck crush.
TMNT 3 is the worst. I kinda liked the Bay movies.
Mutant Mayhem isn't any longer of a title than Secret of the Ooze.
I never found Vernon snobby in the cartoon he was always trying to steal April's job as the top reporter in this movie Vernon is trying to get with April which is different & I don't mind that.
2007 was not just Transformers and Rise of the Silver Surfer but also I am Legend, Spider Man 3 and Live Free or Die Hard, so a movie like Tmnt easily got swept under the rug with those franchises.
On the note of Karai, the '03 series is what made her popular and a staple of the franchise, not the TMNT film which would have been after she was in 3 seasons of the show, so the director probably wanted to use her because the then current fanbase who already know who she was. It's also what cemented her as being related to the Shredder (usually has daughter in some way). She wasn't used much before that point because the arc that introduced her in the comics came out at the tail end of the '87 series and after turtles 3.
The way I weigh it out is Secret of the Ooze could have been a worth sequel if there was no studio interference or rushed production. If they took the time, it could have been solid. But I have a soft spot for it because there are some interesting ideas and David Warner is a delight to watch.
TMNT 3 was doomed from the start. If they picked a better story and didn't cheapen out on the special effects, it would have been passable. But, at the time, turtles were out and dinosaurs were in. What astounds me more is hear the director's audio commentary on the German blu-ray confirm there is a 3 hour cut of this beast. That already says a lot for me.
Here’s my idea of a modern reboot of TMNT.
It all begins decades before the actual story in Japan. A shinobi clan, the precursor to the Foot Clan, is dying out as in the ever-changing modern era, ninjas are becoming irrelevant. And the clan has been completely split and are close to civil war with one group; “the Evolvers” wanting to evolve with the world at the cost of everything they are, and the others, “the Traditionalists”, wishing to continue to stagnate while remaining true to their ways. After the clans' civil war end, the very few surviving members of the traditionalist fee to the US a start over. Among them is a very young, and I want to emphasize the very young part; like 15-20-23 years old… Hamato Yoshi aka Splinter.
The years go by, and Splinter has grown up and now works at Sax Industries as a scientist in NYC. Where he, Baxter Stockman, Eric Sax, and others are working to change the world. It’s here he earns his he name Splinter as when he once got a painful splinter under his fingernail and opposite of his elbow that both caused him pain constantly… he refused to get it removed or see anyone because he was too focused on the experiment. The called splinter as not even a splinter under his nails could distract him. Things changed when after a incident with an inter-dimensional portal soaked 4 test dummy turtles in strange ooze and a lab explosion, he found that Baxter only wants fame, and Sax is only motivation us money. And that was the good news, the bad news is Sax is selling stuff to criminals and terrorists as well as the government and public. Splinter takes action after learning the cops are being paid off, but Sax’s adopted father is someone from Splinters past… Oroku Saki aka The Shredder. After destroying everything he worked spent many years, sleepless nights, and long days to make a reality, while personally lamenting how everything he had ever work on and dedicated his life to was quite literally going up in smoke before his very eyes… made worse by the fact it was being done by his own hands… and accidentally exposing himself to the ooze from the portal incident and being confronted by either Sax, Shredder’s Lieutenant, or Shredder himself, he ended up washing into the NYC sewers.
There he found the old test turtles and as time went one both the turtles and Splinter began to mutate into humanoid animals. Splinter took to raise the 4 creatures as his own kids. He named them Leonardo, Michelangelo, Raphael, Donatello after he 4 Renaissance figures as the Renaissance is a period of history he has always been facilitated by. Even teaching the ninjitsu, mostly due to never being able to shake the feeling that Shredder would find him and return to finish the clan’s civil war started. Thus, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we’re born. Splinter is now a middle-aged man in his early to mid 50s, and the turtles are teens.
Meanwhile while all that had happened, Oroku Saki had been very busy. After the “Evolvers” took over the clan, going from a shinobi family clan to a mercenary organization that would work for anyone if they had the cash. From Yakuza and foreign dictators to freedom fighters and CIA-esque agencies. Thus, the Foot Clan was born. Oroku Saki, who at the time of the "Evolvers" taking over was 18-23-25 years old, definitely older that Splinter regardless, started as a basic operator eventually working his way up the ladder becoming the leader of the Foot. Now known only as "The Shredder." At some point he adopted a son named Eric Sax after his family died and he was orphaned in Japan and would go on to find his own company, even Using his birth name Sax to throw suspicion off. After a lifetime of serving criminals, Saki decided the Foot would now be the commanders not the commanded. After becoming one of the top ten and top five crime syndicates in all the Yakuza, he turned his attention to the world beyond. With the aid of his beloved son Sax and is corporate, empire the Foot dug out a piece of NYC for themselves.
It was here that Sax stepped in. Suppling his father with not only weapons and gear, but now technology and manpower. Within barely 2-3 years the Foot went from a ninja clan for hire with an underworld presence, but few knew that existed, to a successful PMC company that outshined the clan's golden age. With Shredder himself utilizing a mechanized battle suit, and the ninjas using a mix of ancient weapons and modern technology, while the rest of the Foot Clan were now armed with tactical armor and military grade hardware. Sax industries became a shield that supplied advanced state of the art gear and next gen products, and Foot Clan became a sword that utilized them.
Sax even created a second military group called within the Foot Clan “Soldiers of Sax” as a more legitimate side to their activities. Where Foot Clan were problematic due to working for anybody for money, Soldier of Sax or SoS, only worked for and fought against terrorists and criminals, while seldom served dictators or criminals. This had a downside that the true ninjas in the Foot, like Karai, Pimiko, and Tatsu, became much, much lower in number and became relegated to being special forces and commandos. While standard issue soldiers and "foot" soldiers, if you will, like Hun, Lotus Blossom, Sax's son Andrew, and Col. Arron, became the main force of the Foot Clan. leading to some friction between the older members and ninjas and the modern PMCs and militiamen. And Shredder can't deal with it because he as other things to worry about. With one being himself. You see Shredder, now in his mid-late 50s, early 60s at most, has become dependent on the suit due to decades of field work along with both personal neglect and disregard of his own health and safety he isn't the unstoppable modern day warlord ninja he once was. But is too prideful to accept it, so he uses the machine to keep himself from waning.
That leads us to the modern day and main story. There is a new crime wave sweeping all 5 burrows of NYC. Known only as “The Big Man”, he has (seemingly) united the entire criminal underbelly of New York City. From neighborhood gangbangers and Irish thugs to Triad bosses, and mafia dons; they have all unified. Stretching from the residential neighborhoods, through Chinatown, past Wall Street, to New York Bay... The Big Man has everything and every criminal under one leader. And the Foot Clan has been enlisted to be this New Boss's muscle. The city as contracted the Soldiers of Sax to aid to police in this new crime wave. Unbeknownst to everyone, Sax and the criminals are all on the same side. Giving Shredder complete control of the city.
In response to this, the Tmnt have come out from the sewers to fight this crime wave. Using their skills environment, and darkness they become true ninjas; utilizing guerrilla warfare, hit and run tactics, stealth and infiltration, and swift but brutal and lethal strikes, mastery of martial arts and cqc, and being Rambo without the guns. Think the Ninja Assassin film mixed with Rambo and got a good idea of what they are like. All the while they seek to evade the NYPD, SoS, Foot Clan, and the criminal underbelly. As all of this is going on, reporters April O’Neal and later her camera person, Vernon Fenwick I think, seek to fight out the truth of what’s really going on and who it is that’s fighting the criminals, if it even is a single person.
In one of the original scripts for TMNT2, the scientist played by David Warner was actually shady. At the end of the movie it would have been revealed that he was of the same species as Krang. But of course to go with the theme of the movie where characters are not the characters you want them to be. He takes the last container of the ooze and the movie would have ended there. 3 would have continued directly from 2 and probably would have introduced Krang. but nope. TMNT3 was going to be a part of a Turtle multiverse. Within the movie they show a mural, somewhere in that mural you can find a connection to the other media that was going to be a part of this multiverse storyline. The rest of the "clues" were featured in one of the cartoons, and in a comic book. The outcome would have been a movie or cartoon, something that would have brought different versions of the turtles together. It never came to be.
Well not until much later, when the animated series crossed with Mirage, movies, and the original cartoon
Ranking for me:
1.) 90
2.) Ooze
3.) MM
4.) 07
5.) Out of the shadows
6.) 2014
7.) 3
2012 is made for Nickelodeon but they aren't afraid to get dark and heavy with themes. They really push the body horror. Highly recommend. I also love how some episodes are just the turtles inserted into horror movies like F13, The Thing, Alien, etc
Secret of the Ooz is my favorite
Best to worst:
TMNT (1990)
Batman vs TMNT
TMNT (2007)
Secret of Ooze
Turtles Forever
Out of the Shadows
Bay-Turtles
Mutant Mayhem
TMNT 3
TMNT 3 is the worst by far but I don't hate it. My biggest gripe with the movie was the turtles and splinter look cheaply made compared to the first two films.
When Dutch dives to avoid the blast of the Predators self destruct, he's seen going over a fallen tree, then dropping completely out of sight. The faklen tree is at his knee height, showing it is laying on the sane fround that Dutch is running on. So how could Dutch's entire body drop below it?
For Dutch to completely below this log, there would have had to have been eithera cliff or a body of water. Either one would would have sheilded Dutch from the blast, allowing Dutch to survive...
i had this turtle transformer toy where it was a turtle and then would flip and fold into a standing teenage mutant ninja turtle. it was sick
David Warner was supposed to be Krang. There are concepts, and a alternate ending where he is revealed to have Krang in his stomach.
I was wondering about that. I remember Starlog and other magazines hinted at content left out. That would have been a wild twist to see unfold
Wow this is my first hearing about this. The second is my honestly my second favorite
TMNT Mutant Mayhem was a lot of fun. Batman vs TMNT was great. Turtles Forever was a TV Movie I believe and had a multiverse. Speaking of shows inspired by TMNT was Toxic Crusaders and I think the toyline was produced by the same manufacturers as the turtles. Great episode!
One of my funniest movie experiences was at the 2007 film. At the end when they are showing the shelf of their collectables from the previous movies, a little kid sitting in front of us turned to his mom and asked, "Is that the Shredder's mask?" Quite understandable, given his age.
After a few seconds, my buddy Perry turns to my brother and asks the exact same thing, and was 100% serious. He even said afterward that he didn't hear the kid say anything. 🤣
Mutant Mayhem is nowhere near being categorised as one of the worst, but yeah TMNT 3 is pretty awful.
With all the inconsistencies with Splinter, I'm surprised that they haven't went with the original cartoon version, where in the opening credits he was originally human and transformed into a sewer rat.
All these years later I still find myself wishing that the Bay Turtles had gone ahead with embracing the alien origin idea. Going off some of the concept art floating around online we could have gotten way better designs than what we ended up with. It also would have been interesting to see them go somewhere with that alien origin over delivering a by-the-numbers 2010's Micheal Bay action movie. Not only that but it would have added some intrigue to this incarnation. As they are the two paramount movies just feel very paint by numbers TMNT. That said I enjoyed the second film far more than I did the first. Where they failed with the turtles and shredder they excelled with Bebop and Rocksteady.
Turtles in time. Your episode is appreciated and will be viewed but its not needed... its TURTLES 3
the thing in turtles 3 about the "turtles from further back in the past" is a reference to japanese Kappa demons which look like turtles. which is why the turtles get called Kappa in the movie by the japanese people a few times (iirc)
Tony stop pretending to not know the names of TMNT characters 😐😐
I know their names! I just mix them up!
Man, the 3rd movie is definitely the worst. And them using their weapons doesn't save it lol
I don't know, it has some stiff competition from the Bayverse turtles movies. It might be the worst though because it was at tail end of the decline of TMNT live action movies (not the end as that distinction belongs to the live action tv show with Venus Demilo)
@@strifenineteen Those movies aren't nearly as bad TMNT 3. They have some issues, (like the look of the turtles, some plot issues) but overall they're fun movies - which they agree with in this episode
What I don't get about turtles 2 is why did shredder need mutants. He whipped the turtles on his own. He just needs to not do something stupid if splinter shows up.
1.TMNT 1990
2.tmnt Mutant Mayhem
3.Batman vs tmnt
4.tmnt 2007
5.rise of the tmnt
6.tmnt 2014
7.tmnt out of the shadows
15.tmnt secret of the ooze
46.tmnt 3
That's crazy April character didn't want to reprise her role. Videos and documentaries say she has a lot of chemistry
She apparently flipped on the movie when mother's went against it and she agreed with there take on the violence
GREAT JOB GUYS! As always, nice to have Kevin on! He rocks and is incredibly knowledgeable... This was a nice nostalgic throwback diagnosis of the franchise platform as a whole. WELLDONE! LOVED IT. 🥰🤟
I know you were only doing the theatrical movies, but Batman vs. TMNT deserves an honorable mention.
yes!
as a NYer, Pizza REALLY was big like that back then. I was there.
I actually don’t mind Shang Chi
Neither do I.
You should look up Rob Zombie's Dragula over Grease dance scene. That song works for both because those scenes are insane and fit insane songs
I just looked it up! That goes HARD! Probably the best thing I've seen all day!
27:14 if I recall correctly, this was meant to be a tie in through the comics, cartoon, and movies- I believe the scroll is meant to reference the cartoon episode where they go back in time and accidentally found the Foot Clan
TMNT 3 amuses me because it's just a notch in the Stuart "I gotta play a bad guy in almost every 90s action movie" Wilson. I don't know which came first Lethal Weapon 3 or this to herald this era of his but it was a fun one.
I really enjoy TMNT 1990 the best. Honestly didn’t watch most of the newer versions. I will the see the newest movie soon. 🍕 ⚔️ 🐢 🐀
Glad to see the PegWarmers host. He did really good.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention Splinter literally stabbing a man in the face in Mutant Mayham. Not a robot, an actual guy just doing his job. Me, my brother, and my friend were in absolute shock and laughing our asses off.
Great listening to you two today while I worked. Definitely pulling up TMNT 2007 later as I missed that first time around. Thanks!
Everyone knows it’s III. I distinctly remember seeing that in the drive-in when it came out and immediately recall it being when my love for all things TMNT died. 😂
When i saw April in the new TMNT...i just knew something will be bad...and yes...Why??? Why why why they made April short fat and ugly???? Why???
Best to worse for me
1990 TMNT
2007 TMNT
2nd Bay Turtles movie
Secret of the ooze
1st bay movie
Mutant Mayhem
III
"Im better than you"TMNT is so good.
would love to see kevin review another transformers movie
I met some of the cast of the first movie (and 2's Shredder) Judith Hoag was amazing, super friendly, Ernie Reyes Jr... I hope he's okay. Seemed sad or hungover 😂 I got my April Figure signed, my Surf Ninjas DVD Signed and a signed photo of Quick Kick from GI Joe 😂 (2's Shredder, François Chau voiced him) he also said he loved the first TMNT so when he got the part to play Shredder in 2 he was excited but said he didn't do anything
I was in third grade when when they toys came out and shortly after the cartoon and TMNT was very very popular here in Puerto rico
Turtles are reptiles lol.
I'd have to say the 3rd movie is the worst. The first two are fantastic, TMNT was a fine, mutant Mayhem was great, Michael bay-produced films were schlocky but fun.
The 1990 Michaelangelo definitely made a lot of comments toward April. Usually one liners. He makes a few comments to her in SotO. But yeah, in the Bay movies, he definitely comes off way more in love with her.
TMNT 2007 is 𝙉𝙊𝙏 connected to the 1990's films. Peter Laird explained this. Not to mention EVERYTHING was completely ripped from the comics and 2003 show, including the character designs, and lair design. Like even the toys for 03 show just used these designs since they were basically the exact same
6:01 'Secret Of The Ooze' was the first Turtles movie I saw in theaters with my dad. I think I saw the first one the first time I saw it was on VHS at a SAM'S store VHS display shopping with my mom in late in 1990 or early 1991 before 'Secret Of The Ooze' dropped.
Turtles 3 lost to time should’ve been the tagline for the movie
Lost to time like....tears......in rain
I heard on a podcast I used to listen to that the reason why Bebop and Rock steady weren't in Secret of The Ooz was apparently because of rights issues.
The TMNT2:SOTO portion made me wish Mike was back as the guest host instead of this guy.
April recast- not due to Judith thinking the movie was too violent, but that the stunt crew's work was to dangerous without proper protection due to being a non union production.
Shredder- NOT the same actor. 1st- James Siato. Been in tons of stuff as character actor. 2nd- François Chau another character actor in EVERYTHING. Lost fans know him best as Dr. Pierre Chang. And as for him being more like cartoon, they made his suit purple instead of red.
Turtle lair- Now a former train station. On top of them discussing needing a new one, we get the search for it where Raph decides to go solo again, but with Kano this time. The turtles find the new lair. They have enough time to whip into shape as they bring back Ra's Al ghul to a clean looking environment.
Tokka and Rahzar- yes movie need to be more kiddie friendly but they didn't want to use cartoon characters for rights issues. Shredder is their mom not dad.
The can was the last of the ooze as Not Baxter had destroyed the rest.
Kano- The origin of my hatred for human characters. God I fucking hate that character. Ernie once told me he hated Kano after a while too, not his time on the movie, but Kano the character. He used to come into AZ Mills and work a kiosk next to my Gameworks.
TMNT 3: Turtles in Time is why Highlander is now called Highlander: The Movie on some sites like Amazon.
What about _Kevin Nash_ as the infamous Super Shredder?
@@alexfischer7876 oh yea, Tony totally failed on that. No wonder he only sprung for the nosebleed section. A true fan would have done the irresponsible thing and sold his left kidney for front row seats.
Mike was insufferable in the other tmnt review lol
when listing the mutants in mutant mayhem, you forgot Genghis Frog!
Shredder can easily survive. He had a soft landing on trash bags and the compactor doesn't squish it just pushes the garbage up into the truck. The helmet was just in an unlucky spot.
The original movie has never aired UK television and has only come up on streaming for the first time this month! I watched it for the first time. It was pretty good especially for a kids movie. They did night time so much better in the 80s/90s
What?!
It was on bbc 1 around Christmas in the 90s and channel 5 showed all three on consecutive weekends.
It was definitely aired.
@@keychainere never!
it was on Sky for years too!
Yeah i was glad to see they have a channel dedicated to the first 3 movies on pluto now. I keep putting it on while im animating lol
Wow! That picture of Leonardo caveman brought me back I had that one too. I totally forgot about that. I also had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 bicycle with training wheels when I was a kid.
Really wish they would go back old school with state of the art animatronic suits with kickass martial artists in the suits. Make the turtles all just bad ass “jason Bourne” mfer’s. An R rated faithful adaptation of the original comic, no more of this muppet babies turtle shit.
i love how in the thumbnail it looks like super shredder wants to do something to micheal bay mikey lol
I always wished they could of done something with the rat king in a movie
The makers of this show corrected this mistake in the TV classic that is ”I, Claudius” (1976).
Watch that and ”Rome”…
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1. TMNT (1990)
2. Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
3. TMNT (2007)
4. Turtles Forever
5. TMNT: Mutant Mayhem
6. TMNT: Secret of the Ooze
7. Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie
8. TMNT: Out of the Shadows
9. TMNT (2014)
10. TMNT 3
I like the movie from 1990, but I love the 2007 movie because I grew up with it and it was my favorite turtles movie
Tmnt movie uses the plot from a episode where the turtles split up
I'll see you in the nosebleeds. This year sucked for getting tickets
I'm okay with both those pics and Tony gave reasoned, er, reasons for his.
I'd have gone 3 or the first Bay.
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I kinda wish you brought Mike back, just so this video could be 3 hours him trolling Tony
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Same for me, Tony…same for me
I remember when my mom would warm up some Trader Joe’s Mac n’ Cheese balls. I’d sit at the front of the TV and just astonish myself at said-masterpiece. It may not be everyone’s favorite, but it was mine
Honestly the hard to choose which one is worse and also kind of surprised u missed the Rise of TMNT Netflix film idk if it would've counted for the movie list but even the TMNT movies each one is good or great in its own way and will still watch each of the movies.
They're talking about theatrical releases.
@@doctorpi3340 true very true
Having gone through the Rise of the TMNT show and movie, the only similarities to the Bay turtles is Raph is big and Donatello has a tech backpack. Its way closer to Teen Titans Go with its energy, but its real influences are from anime. The endig is just Gurren Lagann.
There are more similarities between Bay Turtles and the 2012 show with Donatello having a crush on April for a majority of the series, Karai is a focus and the Krang bringing tech to Earth.
Not sure about the worst (Hate 3 and the Bay movies), but tell you what, the second best one is one of the most overlooked ones, and it is the Rise of the TMNT movie. I know it was not theatrical, but it is legit amazing. The animation is outstanding and the story is heartfelt. That being said, haven't seen the newest one yet though.
Great episode, Tony.
If you like Mutant Turtles, you'll love 'Under Wraps'!
8:08 Eastman and Laird didn't want Rocksteady and Bebop in the movie cause those characters weren't their creations. So Tokka and Razor are the compromise.
For years i have vague memories of this 90s cartoon about waliing talking dinosaurs with a very TMNT feel. Ive googled everything i can think of, aje cant find it and they guys say Extreme Dinos!!!!
But that wasnt it haha. They were like in armor and there were fice of them if anyone knows.....
Dino-Riders?
Thank you for acknowledging how unbelievably boring the "real" Mandarin in Shang Chi is. So many people make him out to be one of the great MCU villains. I don't get it..
I'm sad that we never got to see Jon Favreau's vision for The Mandarin. He compared the buildup to the character to that of The Emperor in the Star Wars trilogy.