Crossing over PSA to SGC! Reveal!
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It’s not that PSA is “too tight” on their requirements, it’s that they are straight up not even grading cards anymore. They got buried in submissions and are just slapping labels with random grades on these bulk orders. Go look at the grading standards on PSA’s website and read the description of what a Near Mint 7 is and compare it to the Ja Morant. There’s no way it’s a 7. PSA 7s can have “frayed corners, 70/30 centering, printing blemishes, surface wear, out of focus photos and wax stains on the back.” I’d venture to say no ultra modern card is a 7 except ones that have been damaged or severely mishandled. SGC is fair and consistent whether people like them or not. Can’t say that about PSA.
SGC is consistent in getting the lowest return value among the known graded slabs 😅
Do you have evidence for your claims or are you pulling these from under your ass?
@@Steve-ls3lr SGC is trash and only good for vintage.
@@DegenerateStreet 💯💯💯
@@Steve-ls3lr PSA is self imploding. When your business fails to keep it's promises to 99% of it's customers, unless you pay them $300 a card it's bound to fail. And there grades are very inconsistent, the value will eventually suffer badly for this. Imagine you buy a ton of 9's and 10's on eBay but there's no way those cards deserved a 10. I've found plenty of examples on eBay. If i bought a Jordan rookie for 100K as a PSA 10, got it and realized it's maybe an 8... ?? HUGE PROBLEM.
I’m absolutely done with PSA, I’m with you.
Im with you guys but if your trying to make any money in the hobby or do trades its so hard to not use PSA. SGC 10 sells for a fraction of PSA and HGA just arent selling unless its super cheap or a really high end card. All people wamt now is PSA BGS and/or cash these days it sux.Yes for pc stuff I use SGC and HGA
@@GriseldaBSF410 👆
@@GriseldaBSF410 Cards are alot like the stock market, ups, N downs. I'd rather buy an SGC 10 or Pristine for 1/2 of the price of a PSA because I know the card is actually a 10. Value of SGC will catch up, and hopefully surpass PSA. Great time to invest in those SGC 10's while there cheap. IMO
my personal opinion, SGC gets a bad rap. I like SGC, they look outstanding!
Ive said this before on your other videos...if SGC comes back higher, its because PSA got it wrong and they are inconsistent. But If PSA comes back higher, its because SGC is more of an accurate grade and PSA is inconsistent. All these experiments prove is that grading is subjective. If you want more detailed experiments then crack out those same SGC slabs and resend back to SGC grading ten more times and see if they come back the same grade. It does not matter what SGC does, they can do no wrong. Same can be said about any preferred slab company.
This
totally nailed it...I challenge anyone to crack out their cards, from whatever company they sent them to, and send them right back to that same company...you won't get the same grade 50% of the time I'd venture to say...as long as humans are involved, this is what you can expect...
SGC tuxedos look amazing, and they give honest grades. I swear PSA has a policy that states you can only give 10s to commons to keep the pop reports of the superstars artificially low. SGC'S pop reports are booming right now
Been waiting for this one too! Thank you for going out of your way and doing this!
Always LOVE the content man. I have fallen in love with SGC and I hope to send more of my cards in soon.
RetroHoops, Been waiting for your video on this project. Thanks for sharing all your work and intel.
I appreciate the support Rose!
My last PSA bulk submission I got back from 80's and 90's was basically half PSA 8 and half PSA 9. None got tens, but some should have been. It seemed to me that they just made piles of my cards in PSA 8 and PSA 9 piles without even looking closely at the cards.
same for me i have been grading for 20 25 years and yes psa they are giving 8s and 9s harder to get a 10 even on older cards from the 1970s it is harder to even get a 9
I don't have the same problem but I also use a bulk grading service that reviews my cards before submission
@@mikecavey3892 mike there was a stretch about 12 to 15 years ago i used to be able to crack open bgs 9s and bvg 9s and send them to psa and get a 10 i did it quite a few times through the years that has become increasingly hard i have not tried in about 8 years
@@tomharrison6607 now we send psa 9 to bgs to get 9.5 ...I resubmit a psa 9 lamar jackson to bgs and got a bgs 10 ...but I do know that I do get my value from a psa 10 ...I mainly send my base contenders to psa I usually send foil to bgs and national treasure to bgs but im into those older sets that I have been collecting contenders since 98 and nt since 2006 I couldn't be forced to buy into all the new cards these days
@@mikecavey3892 exactly it is the other way around the last 5 or so years but a friend and i have a bunch of card submissions at psa that have been there for about a year now and we have a couple of orders just back in the last couple of weeks and let me tell you old o-pee-chee hockey and baseball from the 70s and 80s are being graded hard because we have had great success in the past sending low pop cards to get 8s 9s and a few 10s we are now getting 6s 7s and 8s with the occasional 9 but never a 10 when i compare the same sets of which i have psa 9s they now would grade an 8 it is crazy how many 8s they give
What would really put a nail in this conversation would be to crack those same cards and sub to SGC again... When PSA opens up a cheapish option, crack again, submit to PSA... Then we'd be talking real FACTS.
Thanks so much for doing this experiment!
I think SGC are spot on with their grades. They used to tougher than PSA. But PSA's new grading has just changed the game. Would be interested to see this done with older PSA slabs. Old PSA 10's might only get 8 or 9 in SGC.
I'm holding off from submitting anything else for grading. I've never used PSA, but I'm not thrilled to see how all over the place their grading has been. SGC has graded a couple dozen cards for me, but I've found them to be inconsistent too. At the end of the day we're asking people to judge the cards. Customers will eventually get frustrated with the inconsistent grading and likely demand AI grading become the industry standard.
The SGC labels look so much better, regardless of grade.
I agree. 100%
I'm liking SGA more and more....disagree with the label design though, too bulky of a number on there and they could do better on label design in my opinion...but overall really love the slabs which can make a card pop a little more.
@@danielallen8944 I agree it's not perfect but I prefer it to PSA's barcode label.
LOVED THIS VIDEO. I just started sending things into SGC. I think they've really come out of this PSA debacle looking the best.
makes me want to scour ebay for PSA mid grades and cross over some for myself
No margins. Don't bother.
@@TW-fv2zu would be doing for my PC not resale
I disagree respectfully, about psa not giving 10s to cards that deserve it. Psa has been giving 10s to SO MANY cards that don't deserve it. I've seen so many Off centered 10s with PSA or Print lines in the cards getting 10s. I think HGA coming into the market grading so Harshly have forced PSA to get their act together and its about time! Cause MANY Psa 10s are NOT 10s! GREAT VIDEO by the way!
but to be fair you can have 60/40 on front and 72/25 or 70/30 on back i cant remember for the centering and still gem mint per thier standard on the website
Agree! I've seen 10s that probably arnt even 9s. I would never buy a psa slab again. All those psa 10 slabs on the market need to have asterisks beside them now .
Not today they don't ,the worst grades I've ever gotten back from psa is in the last year terrible ,I will never send to psa again ,CSG is my new favorite
@@bobo44donemilking51 CSG grades the hardest and consistently. CSG 8.5 = PSA9 CSG 9 = BGS 9.5 CSG 9.5 = BGS 10
Absolutely agree👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 People Who Pay Outrageous Money for PSA slabs are simply foolish people, SGC is hands down the most accurate grading company in the market KEEP IT UP SGC
You are doing a service to the card collecting/investing/grading community. Great investigating and doing the work on your dime so that we can make informed decisions on which companies to spend our hard earned money using. Bravo.
I've done 2 submissions with SGC, my 1st time ever grading cards since I've been collecting. (started in 5th grade). I've been very pleased, a few of my cards were vintage and very thin. They moved around in the Slab, SGC instantly had me send them back, and they reslabbed them. Great Customer Service, and I got a 10 on my Sweet Rare Air Jordan Card. Also getting my cards back in about 2 weeks from when I send them. I live in WA State, so it's a long ways to Florida.
GREAT VID BY THE WAY
SGC is so easy on grades. I use them for all my cards that dont make the PSA grade. But even then i hardly make any money cuz SGC resale is so bad
I’m with you 100%. What good is psa’s high resale value if their grades suck and are not accurate? There is no point. Together, we can be the industry change that knocks psa off their pedestal. I hope more and more collectors wake up to this realization.
SGC has always been more consistent and accurate than PSA. I have been grading with PSA, SGC, and BGS from the early 1990's. Tough grades are not better, accurate grading is better. Most of the graded cards in this video by PSA is really way off. My recent PSA order was not as tough as yours, so PSA's consistency even changes from order to order / month to month/ year to year. Nice video!!
none of us watching this video can make an accurate assessment of these cards -- c'mon people...if you aren't looking at every one of your cards under bright light and high magnification, then it is clear why you are getting so many 8's and 9's....how the heck can you make comments saying that there is no way these cards he showed should be PSA 7's or 8's? You can't even see the corners very well in this video, let alone the surfaces, etc...amazes me how people think they can grade cards by seeing them on a video...oooof
Never hear anyone give Tate love, are you a Rockets fan? As a diehard rockets fan, I agree that Tate has massive potential...thanks for sharing!
Hey Hawkman. I live and die by my rockets!
@@RetroHoopCollectibles same same.
i've now submitted over 50 cards, mostly vintage, to PSA. I was expecting at least 5-7 of them to be PSA 10's and the BEST i've gotten so far is a PSA 9. 4 of the cards I thought would be PSA 10 or 9's came back as 5's....all of them. To me a 5 should be damaged, frayed, off center, or have massing printing issues that it's a blatant issue you can see w/the naked eye. I've looked through jewelers loops to find the issues and they just aren't there.
I'm done w/PSA and I'm going 100% SGC. They're turn around times are better, their fees are better, I like the holders and I think they're much more fair to the submitter than PSA will ever be.
Another Retro Hoops Banger! Yo that HGA Offcentered Marcus Smart was too funny
Pretty confident PSA changes grades based on population. They need to keep values up for the big hitters on the client list.
I had a 9 NM+ BCCG Kobe Topps rookie and crossed over to SGC 8.5 NM+ which is correct because BCCG scale inflated grades. Got a Topps '85 Hulk Hogan (HGA 7.5) off ebay and received a 6 from SGC. Going to crack and resubmit to HGA.
Well you say your not submitting to PSA but nobody is because it cost $250 bucks. If you think PSA is giving lower grades to cards that deserve higher grades you might want to look at HGA closer as they refuse to give cards a 10 that should be. I have several subs with HGA so I’m not solely PSA. I think personally the divide is happening where there will be PC slab companies which HGA has opened up to and the standard resell companies for high end slabs. Based on my experience at the National PSA isn’t going anywhere anytime soon as the standard by which cards are valued. I applaud you because someone has to be first. Thanks for the content.
I appreciate that MSC. I think HGA gets the Benefit of the doubt more than PSA Because of the sub grades, there is a level of explanation there that tells you what variable is responsible for you’re overall grade. Also the fact they have 3 levels of a high graded card, a 9.5, 10, and flawless. That coupled with sub grades gives HGA, and even BGS for that matter, give more transparency to their grades. PSA has nothing.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles that’s a fair statement and I wouldn’t argue that. It really comes down to (at this point in time) PSA sets the standard for value in the market for those who are in the market to invest and make money while the other companies are more PC ( new, underrated,). There’s also those who want their PC to have market value and right now it’s PSA. Who knows those of us who have HGA and SGC slabs now could be way ahead of the curve on the future market. Really appreciate the interaction man I love talking about the hobby. Thank you !
Man’s beard grows faster than grass 😆
I miss the days when a collector would grade his own card and when selling the buyer would look at it with his own 2 eyes ...idk why we take others opinions on our own cards . The best aspect of a graded card Is letting u know if it's authentic or not wilth the amount of scammers nowadays. Great video by the way.
Very true Zebra. I think the need for an external "grade" is not as important as people think. However i can see the need to set a standard and PSA did just that.
This is eye opening. It would be one thing if grades were .5 to 1 grade different, but when you see shit like the Ja that goes from a 7 to a 9.5, you really wonder what the hell is going on. I do think SGC is much more consistent, but the slabs just aren’t liquid…that’s my only issue. Great video!
Totally respect that aspect of it as well. From what I heard, SGC slabs were selling really well at the National this past weekend.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles yeah. I heard that too. Would be nice if that trend caught on.
I got a psa 9 today and looked carefully and looks like a 10 slightly off centered and everything else is perfect.
Thanks for this experiment. Very good info.
I'm definitely here for this 🤘😁
Great video! PSA is king… of inconsistency! Please do an SGC to HGA crossover experiment!! I feel like HGA is so harsh. Would love to see how they compare to SGC. 😎🙏
When psa lowers its prices, send the Ja back to see what the grade would be. I bet it would be different.
Given the mountain of cards PSA is climbing. I'm not even surprised.
As I watch this, it just reconfirms in my mind that grading is extremely subjective, and that's why I hate submitting cards from my collection, or paying a premium for something graded a 10 when sometimes a 9 looks even better. I also just hate the idea of one person, perhaps even a newly hired employee with limited experience, at any of these companies having the sole responsibility to make this determination. I'm all for computers scanning, evaluating, and grading using a software that can eliminate subjectivity and examine a card precisely, matching it up with a database of others perhaps, eliminating the inconsistencies and giving a truly accurate and unbiased grade.
If Luka was PSA...
Ben Simmons is SGC.
GL
😅
Didn't the narrative used to be that SGC was harder on grading? Last year people used to say SGC was harder on the centering on the back of cards, that a 9.5 was an automatic 10 at PSA. It's all nauseating.
That Ja owner got screwed by psa. Nice purchase! Im thinking that grader had a case of the "Mondays." Im going to submit to SGC this week for the first time. Thanks for the content!
That’s JD. And I feel like that’s what sucks about PSA that I just don’t see from SGC. This idea that a case of the Mondays should effect how a grader does his or her job.
best test to see if they're inconsistent is to send them back to PSA again and see what they get the second time around.
I like your “research” project Retro - would be interesting to know what you paid for the PSA’s then what they are valued at now in SGC cases. Like the Kemp RC too. Nice additions to your PC.
Bull, my target price was under $20 per card when i was buying. all the iversons i got in a lot so i paid under $15 per.
Value is important to everyone. I hardly ever sell a card, so consistent grading is more important to me. I also think SGC price are catching PSA and will equal them soon. Lots of bigger guys in cards are grading with SGC now for the flip. The more that happens, the more prices will rise. Also once people realise PSA is just ripping them off.
@@petercook9348 I don't agree I seen to many sgc 9 sell for less than grade cost
@@mikecavey3892 it will take time, but it is happening. With dealers changing who they grade with, it will change. It may not be the case on the low end base RC's but look at the better cards. They are getting closer every month
@@petercook9348 I have bought sgc 9 for lower than raw on some high end cards not sure I see it your way but if I can buy a sgc 9 for 100 but the same card raw goes 150 I don't see the value
This is why BGS and the report card works best. All of these PSA guys have been downgrading BGS and the report card system for well over 20 years. BGS will make a huge comeback as collectors like us want explanations for the grade. As a person who was offered multiple jobs as a grader with PSA and SGC 20+ years ago, I boldly appreciated and respected BGS grades over PSA all the time. However, you MUST take into consideration the back of the cards - especially Prizm-style cards that are glossy on the back. Small roller lines/scratches will drop a card down from a 10 to 7 or lower.
I loved this experiment! You should maybe do a monthly challenge doing this? Could actually be also a an eye opener for sticklers of PSA. Great video concept regardless!!
I have a few things in the works. Stay tuned. 👍
This proves PSA is tougher graders wich is a good thing for value
Love your research, perspective, and work that you put into the hobby. You won’t get any hate from us! Great video Retro!
I appreciate that bro! I really do! Thanks for the support.
I hate leaving the coating on, I don't get it, makes the card look like crap, nothing will change my mind on this
Totally agree. The coating is to protect the raw card. If it’s graded, I see no point.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles I pulled the coating on my Iverson, just came back a PSA 10
@@codyscards6698 I have a psa 8 finest iverson refractor rc w/peel I bet it's a 9 if I peel it. The peel is long gone though, like topps basketball cards. Time will tell if it's worth keeping the protector. Either way it's not for sale, it sits in a master set.
@@Jacob_Spang truth be told, I love cards with the protector. Something about the purity of the card. But the card had some bubbles so I pulled it. Oh well
@@codyscards6698 sometimes it's just a detractor and it needs to go for grading purposes. If it has a shot with the peel why wouldn't you take the shot? Rarity should be considered. What's the first year with a peel? 1995 finest baseball? Kewl stuff
My whole PC is BGS and SGC. I have been done with PSA for a while. PSA stands for please submit again.
Your a asset to the hobby great content keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
SGC all the way! To the moon!!
I’m fine with PSA. SGC has always been stricter in my experience. PSA is jacking with pop counts right now.
So why are you fine with PSA?
So knowing that about PSA you’re still fine with that???
PSA is jacking with everything. PRICES -WAIT TIMES -GRADES - FRAUD (They say evidence of trim, on pack pulled cards so they can still charge you for it.) They still charge you for a 10 day when your cards take a year to get back. They damage cards, then grade them, instead of just contacting you and telling you they accidentally damaged your card(s). I could go on and on. It is nothing new either, they started out a rip off company.
@@collectionconnection4566 so having said all the above, you still haven't explained why you are fine using psa. The observations you made seem to be a compelling reason for NOT using psa.
Sorry this reply was meant for Tim Spivey.
Great video as always. That Ja was unreal!! SGC all the way
SGC getting some traction, they were very popular at the National
Interesting. I heard otherwise
I’ve just seen too many inconsistencies via PSA to stay on board with them. Months ago I finally pulled the trigger on a 87 Bo Jackson Fleer Glossy PSA 10, probably pad more than I should have but I was pretty excited about it. I didn’t notice anything weird via the images on EBay but it’s a PSA 10 right? It should be nearly perfect!
So I received it and noticed that the entire back of the card (stats and such) were completed ghosted (double printed). It was even more obvious when comparing it to another 87 Fleer. I was furious! It was not a card that I cared to keep for my PC.
SGC is getting better.
The only way to see if they (any company) grades consistent, they need to be sent back to both PSA and SGC again.
You are spot on ,I've been sending to CSG and very happy ,I'm done with psa
Most people will tell you SGC is almost always on point with their grading. Even with BGS, I can pretty much look at a card and have a general idea what grade it should deserve. With PSA, you never fucking know, one minute you think you have a 10, and then they slap a fucking 6 on it. SGC and BGS is mostly on point or a half of point off of what I think a card should grade.
I would love to see this experiment done with SGC and PSA to HGA some time. HGA seems pretty spot on with their sub grades. If a PSA 8 pulls a 9+ from HGA that would be an eye opener, and I'd like to see what an SGC 9.5 would get from HGA. Just for a comparison. Thanks for the video.
Ima about to find out. There is no value in HGA. Im cracking a HGa 9.5 Conor McGregor 1st auto and a hga 9.0 Zion contenders auto to see if I can get premiums for these cards. The premiums r simply not there with those cartoon slabs. I couldn't even get a realistic offer wrapped in an hga slab. SGC just simply have not gained enough steam to warrant me sending thos 2 cards. Anything oitside of a 10 seems worthless. I wish it was different through "the market's" eyes, but psa is still running shop, unfortunately. No one was looking for or at SGC nor HGA slabs at the National. They were only looking to sell them. SGC n HGA only seem like they r only good for PC for the most part. PSA all day😕 Blah and yuck. Again, I wish it was different, but it is the truth.
Fantastic exercise…wondering if this is a short-term PSA situation based on tons of new hires or something more permanent…I assume millions of cards are sitting waiting to be submitted to PSA to grade and flip…I think you need to do this every six months to update conclusions…thanks for the effort!
It has been happening for years, so no, not temporary. Why do you think so many people crack their PSA cases and send them back to PSA for a different grade? So many in fact that Please Submit Again is used by them because it works. The same card will come back with a different grade. That should NEVER happen.
@@collectionconnection4566 Different graders have different standards and different ways they judge the card regardless of the company standards. There is no way to change that without a sophisticated AI that looks at cards the same. And no... HGA AI doesn't cut it. I don't believe in it. They still have questionable grading too.
@@Chris-sl1wh That is why I am trying TGT I will do a video when I get my cards back. They show why your card received the grade it did, and the graders notes. What about all the other problems with PSA?What if you went to a restaurant for dinner, and they served it to you a month later? You would not pay for it right? Then why is it okay for PSA to do that to EVERY customer for years, and no refunds. They are very poorly ran, and should have standards in place for grading that keep the grades to within .5 of a point, not 2 or 3 points different.
Thanks for the shout out! Interesting video man.
We gotta get together on a video soon. I’m hearing alot of buzz on what SGC was doing at the national. Also heard alot of SGC slabs were selling pretty well.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles same. I’ll message you and we will actually set a day and time lol
Inconsistencies are my issues with PSA. A near MINT card gets an 8 or 9, yet a damaged card or clearly terrible quality gets a 10? I bought a PSA 10 Chipper Jones RC 1991 Topps, and one of the corners was bent. I've sent cards I was convinced would be a 10, and came back a 9 (which is fine. I'm not a grader), and another card with obvious issues getting a 10. The challenge is that the VALUE selling graded cards is in PSA. No other grading company can compare (yet) for after market selling
I've been talking too much shit about PSA, my last order they forgot to send me 19 cards
"Forgot"
Do you look your cards over with loops etc
exactly
You are proving the point over and over and over again. The blind followers of the PSA mafia are about to feel the pinch. My whole play on grading has changed and PSA will no longer get $1 from me until something gets fixed. Im about to do mass buy on some "NEW psa 9" slabs to pickup extra value now. Thanks for proving this brother YOU ARE APPRECIATED!
I appreciate y’all watching bro. Thanks!
Buy 8's and 7's. Just look at the cards carefully. I have seen PSA 7's resubmitted to PSA, for a 10! Go look at my videos. I show a 10 that should be an 8.5 being generous, and the seller is asking 25,000 for because it is in that slab. It is a 100 dollar card raw. Maybe a 2,000 card graded, if that.
Ha, now you need to send those same cards back to PSA if they ever open up the lower Tiers of grading "Not anytime soon probably" and see what that crossover crossover grade would be for a total mind blowing grading adventure. I'm with you on the Topps Chrome and Finest film protectors. I don't like them. Why would you want a film protector to cover up a great looking card but some prefer. I'm not sure you could call cards from 91-96 Vintage just yet. This could be a new classification of cards Modern Vintage. It slays me that all of the SGC came back higher grades, some just slightly. More than anything else shows the subject nature of grading cards.
I wish card grading wasn't so... idk.... fixed. A psa 10 should equal anyone elses 10. A 10 is a friggin 10. It messes with everyone's minds.
The common denominator is that a weasel named Nat Turner took over…
Gone are the days of me buying/submitting PSA. I've started only buying/submitting SGC. I will only buy PSA items if they're cheap enough that I can crack and submit to SGC, because PSA is so bad in the last 4 years.
I did the same experiment, after not happy with PSA grade, send card to SGC and received a point higher..my concern with PSA is the new fast hires and get out cards Asap..which I think reflects grading inconsistency. Not good, I love the Tuxedo look, much better than PSA
The bummer is, the PSA low grade will still get u more than a 1 point higher SGC. Now if ur doing it for PC, heck yeah. For the most part, not all instances, SGC will hurt the cards value outside of a 10. Even then a SGC 10 only gets a fraction of a PSA 10. I wish it was different.
@@Chris-sl1wh yes, depending on what cards value, but have noticed on certain cards..the gap is narrowing..these are the cards I am sending in currently to SGC
Unpopular take...SGC is giving away higher grades for lower grade cards. Also, when you go to sell SGC, you'll never get what PSA gets. That's a fact.
I seen psa 10s flip card over off centered imo like crazy .
Do you crack the PSA slab or send the slab to SGC (maybe a stupid question but idk)?
Buy card not grade! Great video man! PSA is more inconsistent than SGC in my experience.
Agreed!
The amount of hate you get from the hobby for just pointing out flaws with psa is insane. Keep up the grind bro!
I appreciate it P. I’m just doing my thing bro.
Facts
I wish the culture would change. The amount of weight from everyone swinging off PSA sack must make their back hurt. I surprised their HQ hasn't crumbled to the ground.
@@Chris-sl1wh it really is annoying. I believe it’s due to All the new “young hustlers” in the hobby. Those are here just flipping cards and don’t actually collect. Psa is what sells so that’s all they do
Because its one sided. This experiment could also mean that SGC is grading way to soft and didnt find things the PSA graders found. But thats not even in consideration because it doesnt feed into all this psa hate trivia. and I am not saying that this is how it is. but you have to consider it otherwise you are trapped in your own bubble
The concept of “conditional rarities” on cards that were graded 10 minutes after they’re pulled from the packs is one thing I’ve never figured out. Hence, I stay in my lane in vintage soccer 🤷🏻♂️
PSA doesn't have sub grades so it's hard to tell why they graded them. There is also allot of rumors going around about PSA grading the way they do to control the population of the cards. That JA Morant card would make sense why the card was so low by them. What are your opinions of Beckett
I quit grading Beckett due to centering inconsistencies. They are more forgiving on surface grades than most tho. One time I had a free 40 card grade because they didnt hit the turnaround time, that was epic.
Wicker I really wish I had an opinion of them, I haven’t used them at all, their slabs are a bit on the clunky side for my taste. I live in Houston so I’m just a few hours drive from BGS, so you figured I’d be subbing with them more often. But I just never gravitated towards them as I’m fairly new (only about a year or so) to card grading.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles I was always a little disappointed with cases not being as clear or photogenic. Easily scratched ect
@@RetroHoopCollectibles BGS clunky. SGC is friggin clunky. They r literally the only slab tjat does not fit in my slab boxes withoit shoving tjem in there. BGS n SGC r the chubbies of the slab industry. I wish SGC would slim that tux. It should be James Bond. SGC is more like Danny Divito as Penquin. Fatty slabs!
@@Jacob_Spang CSG has a super crystal clear slab. Their lables r meh tho. I will never use them again becuz I was less than thrilled with their grading practices. I sent multiples of tje same cards and it was lol funny how they graded those.
psa is the only one i look to buy in singles because they make their cases really really hard to counterfeit. Do any of the other companies do that?
But if it is a card you plan to sell you kind of have to send it to PSA since they sell so much higher. I send all my PC cards to CSG
I can’t say to much about psa lately because Have about 400 cards of mine sitting in purgatory, but I will say I think Sgc has been a little more loose lately . Maybe by a half a grade or so ... I thought a hand full of my 9s got 9.5 in my last two orders
If I had to say one way or the other I would agree that they are a bit on the loose side. But not by much still within that half point range. But I do think the fact that they have half points and a 10 Prestine, does allow for each one of those half points to carry their own criteria.
Wow! That’s wild.
I'd be interested to know when the cards were graded by PSA. If they were graded recently then it aligns with your theory, if it was a couple years ago then it shows grading has been consistent. Or, we are all just at the mercy of our grading overlords. Great content as usual.
So this was a very big thing with this experiment. My brother graded a few high end vintage Star Wars cards at the beginning of the year at a 2 day turn around before they jacked up the prices. And I used the serial numbers on those cards as a benchmark in time and tried to buy all these cards for the experiment either around or above that serial number.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles the serial number is given to the card when you register them in their system for grading tho. thats why people get back 4X cert numbers from bulk submissions of may last year recently which just have been graded while people also get 6X cert numbers of express services which just also haven been graded recently. so it really depends on the service level when the cards have been graded
Well if anything that shows me to not buy high graded SGC cards to resubmit them with PSA
that's what you got out of this???? REALLY??? LOL
@@RetroHoopCollectibles Well yeah. It was a common thing to crack SGC and resubmit to PSA because the value of the card in a PSA slab is higher. If that changed because either PSA grades harsher or SGC grades softer its not worth doing that anymore because you dont know what you will get. But thats just of the "making money" perspective. Collectorwise I only collect 1/1s in Slabs because I want to dictate the price of my card because I dont like these enourmes price differences just because of an subjective number on the top. If AI fully takes over one day I am all in into buying slabs of any card. But till then I keep the cards I think are gems in mags and only slab 1/1s
I think people are going to come around and start looking at alternatives to PSA and BGS. I'm willing to bet that those two companies don't have a sub $100 grading option for at least another year. How long are people going to wait to grade their lower value stuff? I love SGC.
Great video. What would PSA grade them to be if you re-resubmitted?...I wonder how consistent they are.
I honestly wanted to do that experiment as well. However, at $200+ a card and a minimum of a 9 month wait. It’s just not feasible.
I have seen them go from a 7 to a 10 on the same exact card. Just search PSA 7 on here and it will pop up. I thing it says My PSA a 7 is now a what??, or something like that.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles Maybe when the prices come back down. Love the channel.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles The $200 Sub is friggin 9 months? No way!
@@Chris-sl1wh Nah. I just subbed three cards at $200 and it took less than two weeks. This 9 month talk is silly.
How can you say that psa is inconsistent when you are using a different company to compare them with?
I'll only buy PSA slabs that are under $20. I'm not buying 10s from PSA because 60-40 centering is NOT a 10 in my eyes. And I've been boycotting Panini so I've only been buying 90's basketball and baseball from today. I love the Kemp rookie. He's my GOAT
PSA is reserving the better grades for the big time submitters and in order to keep pop under control they are spitting on the small time submitters/"collectors" their grading standards are based on submitter and not the cards. I have a sub for 26 cards and 10 of them under graded by 1-2 points, going to crack and resub to sgc myself. PSA cards with serial number starting with 46 is when they started to under grade many cards.
Bro the kid at 16 is not going to be phenomenal not even close. I get it that it's your team so you justify it in your head but the kid will be lucky to be a consistent bench player.
I have submitted a handful of cards to SGC and have been very happy and impressed. Isn’t one way to look at this is that SGC is inflating grades?
You can honestly take this in so many directions. Depends the angle you want to take, who you like to grade with etc. Non biased opinion is a tough thing, we are all human.
Look at my videos, I just started sharing my breaks and PSA reveals. I have new orders with very high gem rate. I have some better and some worse then others. I prefer PSA, but own cards in many different slabs. Grading is subjective and anyone can argue each other's points. That's one thing that will never change and hasn't over 20 years. I have some PC cards I broke that will be back soon that I cracked from SGC just because I want them in a PSA slab and dont care about the grades if they come in higher or slightly lower. Now does that mean my 1 video is the end all be all definitive answer to snap/crossover? No, it just means that's the opinion on that day with that grader. My last 15 card order had some big 10s, 9s woulda been 75.00 and 10s are 500 and 1,000 cards and I pulled some nice grades on the 10 side where they may be 9s in someone elses eyes on another day, but 1 card was a Devers 6, and the the other Devers gold RC got a 10, it came from the same pack. 1 bad grade IMO doesn't set the stage for my whole order, so I learn to take the good and bad with grading whomever you choose to send cards to. Retro made a great point, COLLECT. Sell/flip etc is all great, you have to keep money moving, but I always have the collectors side of me in mind for every purchase/sale/trade.
Well said TCDDC. A lot of the anxiety of grading would go away once you remove the financial aspect of it and look at it as strictly a hobby and a collection.
Are you cracking and sending, or doing the crossover process?
Devils Advocate: Comparing PSA with SGC doesn't necessarily tell us why the grades are different. SGC may not have the same equipment or skills to see more flaws that PSA does. - Just a thought. I can't say for sure
SGC is trying to grab a bigger share of the card market ….one way to do that is to give the submitters what they want ….high grades.
PSA is in the legitimacy stage of their evolution. They have to come across as having strict grading standards to legitimize the millions of 9’s and 10’s it handed out as candy during its rise to the top of the grading service pyramid.
Until AI grading becomes the standard every grade can and should be questioned.
I can't speak for anyone else, I'm here because you're straight up and it's not about making money, it's about the hobby. I really don't care to watch some of the collectors and YTb'ers that talk about $10k cards. WTF do I care? I make a fair amount of money but I'm an average collector. I can afford a few hundred for a card I really want but not many of us are ready to dump a few thousand on a single card. Also, I have 1000 cards worth grading but, I don't have $30K sitting around to grade them, coming back six months later as 8's!
but thats the whole concept why grading got so popular in the past 12 months. more and more people started recognizing the abitrage opportunity between raw and graded and started flipping up their way to cards way out of their wealth range. content creators jumping into this method showed it to a wide audience causing the what I call "great PSA flood of 2021" because people saw the next get rich quick thingy the have already missed so often in their live with bitcoin etc. early adopters got mad rich in this whole hype. I know people which sold their whole collection close to the peak that can now afford to quit their job if they want because the made enough money. its crazy
I wonder if the Jordan raw card that Nat Turner bought from Grant Slayton at the National came back a 10. Nat said he was going to bring it directly to PSA for grading at the show.
Nat buys the card! He doesn't care too much about the grade. He's a collector.
HGA just raised their prices. They are insanely high. 😒
They changed them back
I wonder why they went up $5 ?? money grab?
They did, then changed them right back. Lol
@@RetroHoopCollectibles they caught heat 🤣🔥
@@Bishop2344 have you noticed the price in everything changing? Plastic is getting expensive. They had every right to raise prices but they are so good to customers they dropped right back down. They took a hit on their profit to keep customers happy
PSA is doing pop control now
I started back collecting in the boom and I’ve yet to figure out why people don’t like sgc.
Same here Cap. More importantly I just got into grading. So for me I hold loyalties to whatever company does the best job at “grading”
@@RetroHoopCollectibles we need some whales buying up all the SGC :)
Lol. Yeah we do. Honestly that’s the only people that hold the key for SGC. Those hand full of 1%ers collectors that still think that PSA is actually a better grading company. They drive the market in my opinion more than anyone else.
I can relate to this video 1000% and I'm so glad you made it because I am a new submitter like you spoke of and I got crushed on grades. An Anthony Edwards Revolution Rookie Auto couldn't even pull a 9. It got an 8 😢🙄. I felt like I had educated myself well and then I get back a Steph Curry Topps RC graded a 6 like WTH 😳😳
Sorry to hear that bro...i too go burned pretty bad on a total of 8 Luka doncic rookies
great video. PSA is a mess and consistency is the biggest problem and has been for some time. If your card is getting a 7 grade it should be absolutely noticeable to even a novice why it got that grade, hell it should be that way with an 8. SGC grades pretty fair in my opinion, and that doesn't mean easy.
Do you have a lower end PSA 10? Try cracking for a Gold label? May be an interesting video.
Not yet but this is something I'm definitely looking at.
You've been waiting. I've been waiting. Want to see what happens.
Lol. Wait no more bro dude.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles now I wonder what the HGA would of been. Would've been nice to see the sub grades.