PLEASE WATCH AND SHARE. THIS MUST GET OUT! PSA to HGA Crossover. INSANE RESULTS!
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I only collect SGC. they just look the best to me with the black borders. I am getting into Arena Club too. Owned by Jeter, they have a vault system and also show you what the issue with card was and highlight the imperfections so you can see how it got the grade it did...no guessing what happened. Thanks for sharing!
wow this was perfect timing for me. Was getting ready to send my first ever submission PSA and found this video. Great content! Im now sending to HGA
Hope you are keeping for PC.
Now all he needs to do is break them out and send to SGC so we can be sure! 😃
Probably would grade low sgc is familiar with light creasing that’s the only way those cards would grade that low
From the PSA website: A PSA VG-EX 4 card's corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. The card may have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.
On that Rodgers PSA 4? GIVE ME A BREAK.
Highway robbery!! Express level service. They stole from that man!
This card from hga did have a surface of like 7.5 or 8. ( I can’t remember) but maybe it was bad enough for psa to really drop the grade.
The only other thing I can think of on the Bowmans Best Rodgers Auto is the centering and that the grader didn’t know that these cards were made this way. To a unknowledgeable person the card looks off centered pretty bad since the R in Rookie is getting cut off the card. Since PSA is not doing OC qualifiers anymore or the person sent it in before they stopped and chose no qualifiers, it would have dropped the grade 2 points to start with. Any other imperfection would drop it from there. It’s surely a horrible grade for that card and could mean that PSA has not trained their new folks well. Graders need to have some hobby knowledge and have some training before they touch any card. It’s like taking someone who can’t swim and making them a lifeguard.
@@charlest7311 good points
honestly what probably happened is that the grader didn't know that the signature label is supposed to be crooked
I am so glad this video has been published and a true longtime collector took the time to resubmit his cards for a second “Artificial Intelligence” scan opinion . It is frustrating to see this video knowing well in the last six months I have been going on a regular to our local tradeshows and card shows here in industry California and talking to long time hobbiest. Former PSA employees who run tables at these shows some of the most respected graders with more than 20 years of experience warned that there was an ongoing grading problem at PSA that was surfacing as inconsistent mid-upper/lower grades were returning. I made a post comment on another influencers take on PSA with the early returns after the shut down. I held off on submitting to PSA just based on what I was hearing from the card dealers who worked for PSA. One of the things that they said was it is not the longtime hobby community siting down with PSA to standardize the hobby and instead it’s running wild on their own current incompetent staff or methods deciding what should and should not be a partial grade with a skeleton workforce facing a tsunami of submissions. On the other hand PSA is still the or was the most respected grading service company “in the world”. This video does support or expose that there are some serious flaws to the grading methods at PSA right now.
From all the grading companies I decided to submit to HGA for a few reasons but one of the most that stuck out was the use of Artificial Intelligence (AI) to pre-screen cards. Now on the flipside the calibration of AI may be a tad bit too rigid (tight) however it does give a more accurate or close to accurate analysis of the cards condition and flaws.
Now unlike the comic book hobby where the older collectors (Overstreet) of vintage comics worked with CGC to standardize their hobby and narrow down the suspect grading in contrast it appears that the card hobby is in a period of the “Wild West” where the companies who are now being bought out with the bottom dollar profit aim and not helping the hobbyist is coming to light with videos like this.
The more videos that surface with hobbiest cracking their PSA slabs and re-submitting to “AI” pre-scan grading companies the worse it’s going to get for PSA much sooner than later. I much rather (deal, grade, buy, sell, trade) in HGA for now over PSA.
HGA is not perfect. They have some flaws and have some things they could improve on; for instance a barcode scanning label for a pop report analysis and so forth. But overall the question of “AI Calibration” does give credibility to the Hobby if it can be transparent.
I had to pull off the road for this comment because I’ve watch this entire video twice.
One last comment… in a civil court room this video along with maybe one or two more videos supporting suspect grading incompetence by PSA is sufficient enough to support a justified class action lawsuit on behalf of hobbiest who submitted for full refunds and loss of time from PSA.
Have a nice day everybody and stay positive enjoy the Hobby. Excuse the hands free mic recording typos.
Good comments Sal. I appreciate you watching. Im not surprised that many insider saw this coming. I'll be doing a video soon on a former PSA employee speaking out. Stay tuned.
Should so take it to psa ass. I dream of getting cards graded as i only have a handfull that would be 1000.. if that of a 10 grade. But i cant afford to send any in at 50/card minimum..psa lost they mind.. ohh only scalpers have 50 or more to send...hmmhmm
The problem is PSA is also damaging some cards while slabbing.
I sent 3 cards into PSA end of last year still haven’t gotten them back, I’ve completed 3 orders w HGA w fair grades in that same time period. It’s a no brainer for me which grading company is better. Retro was the RUclips dude that introduced me to HGA w his first submission w HGA and I thank him for that.
As long as you're not planning on reselling the HGA... proven about 65% of the resell value..
I’m truly contemplating on contacting PSA, even if it’s through an attorney, and asking my pending orders of about 500 cards be returned to me. The amount on nonsense I’ve seen in their grading lately, and fact it’ll cost me about 5k + for the grading, I dont want to go through this….
To be honest not a bad idea, man PSA is so bad, I have over 20 orders still with them, terrible company, terrible customer service
No need for an attorney, it's not that serious. Just ask for your cards back. They will charge you insured shipping. Nothing wrong with changing your mind.
I might do this with PSA to SGC with some Messi rookies
I’m HGA and SGC all the way. A friend of mine sent in two 90 Fleer Jordan’s to PSA. One came back a 3 and one an 8. Issue is, the 3 looked 10 times better as far as eye appeal. It has crisp corners as edges were good. Centering was only obvious issue.
Great info. Thanks for sharing!! God Bless!!
I was all about SGC until they raised prices from $15 to $45 in less than a 6 month span. I don't do business with a company that soaks their customers
PSA also determined that my BGS cross over service were trimmed. They said 4 of 5 were trimmed inside the case. How they determined that inside the Beckett case is insane. The same 4 cards were broken out of the BGS slabs and resent a few years later and they all graded. Not only did they grade, they were all bumped up from the original BGS grades. These were early Beckett slabs when they were really tough. Good job PSA.
I got a PSA7 on a Rookie Mahomes Prizm, card is immaculate - cracked it & sent to HGA ....now it is looks better in this slab with a 9.5
I’ve been collecting since the 90’s and I could never understand why PSA would get so much respect and why their grades got more value always blew my mind. Especially when you see some PSA 10’s that are obviously off centered just doesn’t make sense to me 🤯🤯. BGS has done it right from the beginning and I wish they didn’t do slabs without the sub grades. The subgrades are what put them on the map!!! GREAT content!
I was PSA brand loyal; I would only buy PSA slabs, and was getting a stock ready to ship in to them. I waited because of the long wait, and then I saw the HGA viral post (for our hobby) in which one of their artists accidentally used another artist's painting for a Tua custom slab. Not only did the custom slab look slick, once they found out about the gaff, they paid the artist for his work and eventually HIRED HIM to their staff. Once I saw that.... it was an immediate switch. Now I have several very nice slabs from HGA.
Your videos are the most informative on here, along with Chris S of Baseball card collector investor dealer. Thank you for doing what you do.
I appreciate that Dave. Im a big can of Chris’s channel so that’s a huge compliment. Thank you.
PSA has been corrupt since the 1990's when i started appraising and selling sports cards.
I watched them change a PSA 8 to a PSA 10 live at a card show, because the person was an elite customer, who spent big money with them. He said "I spend X amount of money with your company every year, do something for me" Handed them the card, came back an hour later and brand new Gem Mint 10 Ken Griffey Jr. Platinum SB Spirit. Please for love of all that is good and holy, do not submit your collectibles to PSA. HGA, CSG, SGC are the best in my opinion and very accurate.
Honestly whoever graded those cards needs to be fired. There is no way they even looked at them. A psa 4 is a card that is heavily damaged with creases and all. This shows psa is lazy with their grading and they want the quality control. I will never grade with psa because they are inconsistent and lazy
Everybody in this industry tries to shit on the people exposing these greedy POS. Love what you do and love the content, thank you for the work you put in 🙏
I appreciate that Maldo. Thanks for watching
PSA got greedy and has bad business practices. I'm done sending them my cards. HGA makes a much better slab, great customer service, and reasonable prices.
I haven't sent any cards for grading the last three years, and when in future I do, I will not send them to PSA. Cards I send are 95% for my PC. I will send vintage to SGC and modern to BGS when they (BGS) reopen their bulk service.
SGC also, 28 bucks and 2 week turnaround
For years I have wished that if you get a PSA grade that makes you go “huh????”, that they would take the extra 3 minutes and let you know why. It would solve sooooo much of the issues like this. If they messed up on this guy’s Rodgers card, they would have caught it at the “huh” stage because they couldn’t provide a reason for the 4.
I got a pack fresh 1974 Rose in a PSA 4 about 6 years ago and still don’t know why.
I do still use PSA because I’m trying to complete sets all in PSA holders. For the most part I’ve been happy with my grades like in my recent 71 and 56 Topps reveal videos. But info like yours and the guy in the video, plus the lack of 10s, has me a bit concerned. I won’t/cant submit anything until they catch up.
Thanks for your honest content. Some people are afraid to speak their mind, and won’t take a side. I admire you for having no filter or agenda. You’re a passionate collector.
Pack Fresh doesn't mean shit. Why do people say that
Something is definitely up with PSA, they also need to put Sub Grades so you have an idea why they recieved the grades they did
they only give grades in order to manipulate the market in favor of insiders / friends / investors
Never see sub grades at psa the millions of cards without subs will crash
The people are speaking... We are listening.
That was absolutely insane! I went back just to check if the rodgers autos were actually the same and they were! I honestly can't believe this!
This isn't with everyone, but the fact that HGA shows sub grades ( which can clearly explain why one grader may have seen something and another agreed ) shows clearly some mistakes are being made, or they are giving out favorable grades.
Issue is, its not just middle tier or even upper echelon cards, its the 1-5$ cards too. Its the 20-50$ cards.
Perhaps a batch of graders has a different grading idea than others, because I've had good experience recently ( a normal PSA 8, 9 and 10 allotment ) but I've also seen some bad ones.
There's been a few cards I have gotten back, not many where I disagreed greatly with the grade... perhaps a re sub would move them up 1 grading point at a diff company, but if I had some minty cards and they crapped on my submission and I really checked them out, then sent them somewhere else and the grades went up 3, 4 or even 5 grades id be a little suspicious and cautious about PSA as a whole.
And anyone that knows anything about PSA, knows they do tend to favor certain groups and individuals who are dropping big bucks at their company.
Love the video. Sent my Jordan MJR card to HGA a month ago. Love the card as well. Mine is in almost perfect shape so looking forward to the grade
I've had a ton of cards at PSA for about 10 months. My confidence is so low with them. I've been seeing this all over RUclips. Great content. Keep it up!
Lmao this video was great 👌 I got an amazing idea from this. I don't know how I missed this, I've been watching for the last year and a huge hga fan.. love the content, new or old... thank you!
Great video, thanks man. Love HGA and SGC is good looking and has solid grades too.
Much love bro 💖...PSA=BOOTY, SGC=Fair Price, Fair Grades, and Unparalleled Turnaround Time!!!... Keep doing what you are doing, be the Catalyst for Change 💥
I finally cracked open 5 PSA’s of Ohtani rookie, Tom Brady rookie and some 90’s Jordan’s. They were graded 4, 5 and 7’s. I was shocked. Lesser stars of same sets came back 9’s and 10’s. Sending to HGA as an experiment as well.
Please share your results when you do.
Why not send to SGC?
Thank you and yes, please share the results if you wish.
@@gregggyf honestly think the results would be the same with hga or sgc. Psa is hiring a ton of people. How many people you meet on a regular basis that are hireable for this job? Lot of new hires short period of time.
@@zzzzzz-rn3oh Hello Jake,
Yes, I have no doubt that the results would be "pretty much" the same but I feel, especially for a situation like this, whereby someone is trying to "spotlight" a graders "poor grading effort," The results from a top 3 TPG would "at least in the hobby," "carry more weight."
THIS IS A BUNCH OF SCAM ARTISTS PSA
Your statements are correct. PSA is expensive and we wait a long time for grades. PSA needs to correct what they are doing and focus on their mission as a grading house. Continue to do what you are doing. You opened my eyes that I was not wrong on some of the grades I received from PSA. Thanks.
This video is how I found your channel. Great content brother. Thanks for keeping it real and bringing this info to our attention. I look forward to checking out more of your videos. 👍
I appreciate that!
I have about 80 PSA slabs coming in next week. I'm so worried. Most are mid to high end. Also have around 8 orders that haven't been graded yet. Any shenanigans on my grades next week I'm requesting all my cards back asap. Ridiculous. This is so hard to believe. PSA has to answer to this immediately
We need to dethrone PSA out of our hobby!!! HGA SGC is my vote from my experience of grading for 20 plus years!!!
This is why I'm a sub grade collector, even if I my not agree with the grade at least I have a reason why it got that grade.
exactly, it at least gives you a basic way to hold the grader accountable for crazy grades.
Yes, but people spent time and $$$$$......
I don’t get why people continue to look at PSA as supreme, they are way too expensive and their grading is all over the place,this is the first I seen them grading harder , I’m used to them grading too easy! I buy a PSA 10 online and it’s not even worthy of a 9! My opinion HGA and BGS are the best
I rocks with you my dude keep up the great content and speaking your truth
So glad I watched this. Thank you.
love the truth you put out, haters gonna hate.....im fat also
Keep up the work love these type of videos. Just confirm what I've been telling my card group as well
The Problem with PSA they hired too many new and inexperienced staff that doesn't know how to grade. I wouldn't be surprised once PSA catch up with backlog half of them will be let go....
Blah, blah, blah. The problem with PSA is that they are not a good grading company. I have seen it for years, Even the old labels. Please go look at my video on PSA's Poor Grading Practices. I show my Pure Graded X 8.5 compared to a $25,000 PSA 10, just to show how much money people waste buying that 10! It is insane how poor the PSA 10 is.
But if you are new to collecting and someone says buy PSA 10's, they could pick that card because it is one of the most collectible players in the hobby.
Nope they've been inconsistent and showing favoritism for years
I still say you are swimming upstream. You are going against all the big $! The investors are putting 100s of millions of dollars into PSA 10s(hedge funds, Billionaires, celebrities, athletes, etc). You lose that battle every time. For better or worse big money wins.
@@collectionconnection4566 what's crazy is I've seen PSA 10s next to each other of the same card that are very visibly not the same condition. A 10 of a particular card should be consistant with any other 10 and they simply aren't. And I've seen 9s that are in better condition than 10s of the same card graded at the same time, where the 10 is clearly off center but the 9 looks perfect. PSA also sometimes catches the card in the inside lip of the slab putting a crease in it but still sends it back as a 10. The consistency between graders and over time is terrible as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they do tell their graders to give high volume senders better grades so they'll keep sending them more.
WOW! WOW! WOW! You really made me think about this a lot. UNREAL! Is PSA now compromised????? WOW!
Man when are people going to wake up on PSA . SGC will start to rise on the hobby. PSA woke is real
This!
SGC was home to one of the LARGEST grading scandals to date, specifically with autographs. Grading is a scam in general. Only computer grading will ever be worth it.
@@snow9959 this is true
@@snow9959 when???? because I'm heavily researched in the hobby and I'm shocked I never saw it with such scandals as 200 tens in a row on grail cards for one submitter in the infamous "Tens only" group as well as all the trimming and altering scandals back day and Dimitri young scandal etc! Not doubting you at all just shocked if so 👍
Then tell me why is pda is so good they decided to grade my psa clearly donruss and give me a 10 BUT U SHOILD the sleeve they put it in
I love HGA slabs, I live about 25 mins from their facility and they really have a great customer service dpt. I quit sending stuff to PSA when they were letting all of those trimmed cards go through. There is going to be a reckoning in the next few months with PWCC / PSA and other big time companies that have been taking advantage of the hobby for years.
Where is there facility located?
@@KPrayfortheworld Knoxville TN, I will say in the 5 months I posted this, I still haven't gotten my submissions back. I have already had 2 come back from SGC.
This is content !!!! Great video !!!
Glad you think so! thanks
PSA is just so inconsistent. I don't understand why people still consider them the Gold Standard of grading. Getting honest grades from HGA and SGC but just need to get more people off of the PSA or nothing mindset so the prices would even out.
The only reason anyone favors PSA is because they sell for the most on the secondary market. No other reason to like them. I’m constantly shopping on eBay for graded cards, and some of the PSA 10’s I’ve seen are absolutely disgraceful. Super poor centering, soft corners etc. When you see shit like that, as consistently as I do, you know their company is a sham! Ever since that little oiled up pimp weasel Nat Turner took over, they’ve really gone downhill. The dude was bought and paid for by the elite and celebrity collectors, and appointed to protect “their” investments via population control. The writing is on the wall, and plain as day to see…and until more people turn their backs on them, they’ll continue to control the false narrative of cream of the crop.
I just got my first HGA order back and I like the slabs a ton. I hope soon the market wakes up but as long as PSA sells for so much more than other slabs it will take time to change the market. Thanks for the great video.
Getting my PSA ready to ship to HGA. Tired of waiting and all the BS from the past year. I don’t put my life on hold for anyone- why put my collection on hold any longer?? I could die tonight. Gravestone: Died waiting for PSA , 😂
Great points. IMHO, the best looking gravestone would be a large SGC slab! 😂
love your video. I noticed a few other video were the collectors were not to happy with their PSA graded card. I had a feeling that PSA was up to no good. What is the difference between PSA and other grading companies.
PSA has to respond to this right? This video from this guy is unbelievable. The integrity of PSA is on full display and they must respond. Response will be BS no doubt but PSA cannot let this go without responding.
They won’t. Because they simply don’t care.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles why would they respond to another company overgrading?
@@RetroHoopCollectibles why is it always the company that gives the highest grades the one that is "right"? If there are legitimate dents that warrant the grades from PSA then why is that not the travesty that HGA overlooks major flaws in cards? You greatly overestimate the ability of the general population to accurately grade cards, if that were the case 3rd party grading wouldn't need to exist.
What ive learned about these types of videos is honest and higher have become synonymous....
Wow omg I should have resent some of my grades to hga
I like your honesty and transparency! You’re doing a nice job w/ everything. Solid content on your videos.
Man I get it that the value is not fully there with HGA yet but they’re moving fast up the chain. I personally love HGA and I haven’t received 1 ten yet but I don’t care because I’m a collector. PSA got us spoiled with grading cards not centered with 10’s and now the inconsistencies are insane. Wow this is crazy! I guess the cards I had waiting for PSA to open a cheaper service will go to HGA.
Your my best new channel and psa has screwed me the last 3 submissions and I still have 2 coming yet one year ago ,each order had one 4 in it .my new favorite is CSG ,my cards get the grade they deserve
2 subs to HGA I submitted a /499 refractor Jarren Duran 1st Bowman auto refractor and did a card match neutral label and got 9.5 true gem and 10 auto best slab to put this card in by far
with the last couple of orders i got back that were there for about a year by the way i got grades that did not make sense almost like they are not even grading seems like just giving out random grades you would think with the fast orders they would try to be more careful considering the amount of money to grade a card are they in such a scramble to catch up on backlog they are grading fast and sloppy that is the only reason i could think of ps but man are people getting pissed off all over the place and this will eventually come back to bite them hard
Bro I'm going to make a video on this video. Thanks for sharing 👍
No problem 👍
I appreciate your work. Got back into collecting in 2017 and was told I needed to grade. Did not take me long to figure out it seemed like a scam to me. The fact people crack cards and send the same cards back in to get a different grade proves people are just going after a number on a slab. That whole business seems shady to me. It's just someones opinion...and it changes from day to day. So for those reasons, I'm out.
I'm 💯 with you on that.
@@orlandoalessandrini2505 I have one PSA graded card and forced myself even to send them that one. May send a few to HGA simply because they claim their grading is less subjective.
With great power comes great responsibility
This is not surprising to me. Been seeing this for years. I was waiting for a company like HGA or CSG to come along. Now they have arrived and I love the HGA labels, so I will be sending all of my cards to HGA. Thank you for this great video as always! Keep up the great work.
lol im legit going to be looking for some awesome psa 5's and 6's and buy them cheaply so I can regrade them and get an 8 or a 9 somewhere else.
havent used psa in 2018 and probably never will untill i see sub $50 pricing for their cards. That's probably not gonna happen until 2022 when nobody is grading anymore and they are forced to drop their prices. I just really hope its too late for them by then.
For many the proof is right there for them to see and it simply will not matter. We just have to continue to spread this and demand for a new standard. Eye opening for sure.
Agreed. That’s why i will continue to push.
@@RetroHoopCollectibles keep pushing my man. I’ll continue to share and support.
Thanx for sharing - very interesting. Anyone who would attack you instead of staying "on topic?" They must have an immense sense of "self righteousness" IMO. Very sad people.
I sent in multiple vintage baseball cards to PSA for grading, and recently received them back. One of the cards literally had mold or something plastered over the front. It received a better grade than a card with minor centering issue. These kind of inconsistencies make me wonder.
Thanks for sharing. I won't ever use PSA but am now thinking of HGA simply because they were the first to finally offer horizontal slabs. I mean what is the reasoning the the big 3 graders have given for refusing to offer the horizontal? (Bet they're now rethinking...)
The videos are great man
absolutely nuts it will be tough for people to even try and the crossover now just because it's costing an arm and a leg for express service. We would probably see more people do this once the cost of grading with PSA goes down. Otherwise, PSA gets 5 shaking fists out of 5
Another great video mate! Definitely highlights all the wrongs I have been hearing about PSA when it comes to grading. I have been blessed to not use PSA as I am still fairly new to grading and as a PC collector not willing to wait uber months to get them back, so I can not honestly say what they are like since I haven't used them. But to be honest with you, I rely on people like yourself to steer is in the right direction to have my PC collection graded, and so far you haven't lead us astray. HGA has been great for me and I now have 20 cards at PGX and 20 on the way to TGT as part of the beta, so fingers crossed they will look as good as HGA. Anyway mate, cant wait for you next broadcast!
I appreciate that PG. good luck on your grades brother. 👍
The haters of your content and that are taking the time to throw shade are just helping the cause and giving you more great content and attention. Lol it’s funny because they are really adding to your RUclips analytics… thanks haters clearly they subscribe because they don’t want to miss a chance to give you a “hard time”. Smh
Holy hell! Just wild stuff! I’ll go give him a shout out!
Sadly, our buddy turned off the comments, but I did subscribe.
Thanks for the video definitely won’t be buying any hga slabs for sure going forward. Clearly psa caught some binder dents or something hga didn’t
That’s what you took away from this video??
As soon as I heard your comment on Jebronie Lames, I subbed IMMEDIATELY 🤘🏼😤👍🇨🇦
PSA better get their shit together, other companies will be going for the kill. Keep these videos coming they are very informative.
Nat Turner saves the 9's and 10's for his investors. I've never been a PSA supporter and never will and I'm a 35 year collector.
I agree with that but he just bought the company. Fair grades is all you can ask for
Agree likewise I haven't submitted but own a few far as I go
The ONLY reason anyone favors PSA, is because their top tier graded cards sell for a premium on the secondary market. Unfortunately greed, not honesty and integrity, makes the world go round… Furthermore, once that greedy weasel Nat Turner took control, the company’s standards dropped off the face of the earth! My theory is that he’s paid a pretty penny by the elite and celebrity collector’s, in exchange for exercising population control and protecting “their investments”. Is it fair? Is it right? Hell no! It’s just corruption at its finest.
You do realize without PSA this hobby doesn't exist? The only reason probably 80% of the people that are back into collecting is because of PSA. PSA=$$$ and $$$=interest. If PSA didnt exist I would throw all my cards away! You want to talk about dirty and disloyal? The sports card "community" is a group of selfish individuals. Without grading companies there was all sorts of fraud and robbery.
Quick experience. I remember buying a Ricky Henderson rookie with what was a lot of money to me at the time for 35$ from a card store(I was young didn't really consider condition much just a huge fan). He goes on to have an amazing career and I remember some years later(maybe 10) and the card was worth about 275$. I had others in my collection that looked nicer so I thought I would sell one of them. I took it to a card shop and the guy offered me 40$!!! THAT was the card industry in the past! Don't talk about people getting robbed because the grade he recieved was worse than expected.
@@jacobr4558 You make good points but ultimately theft is theft, wether by old school low ball offers at retail hobby stores or deceitful grading practices. PSA had it’s time and without true market competition they got comfortable and greedy with it’s almost entire ownership of the market. Fortunately for consumers, things change. The model T revolutionized transportation for the average American but I wouldn’t want to drive one today, other than nostalgia purposes. It’s no longer practical or efficient. A decentralized AI would have the ability to offer true objective results without manipulation. When and who truly provides that has yet to be proven, only claimed.
Keep up the great work. This was an awesome video.
IT'S 100% THEM TRYING TO CONTROL THAT POPULATION OF THAT PARTICULAR CARD YOU'RE SO RIGHT
I have been sending to csg with sub grades and I am very pleased with how they grade. Would like to hear your feedback on csg
I’d like to hear eliteco’s take on these PSA grades - I think he has the best takes re: what PSA is up to at any given moment in time.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he's already on record as saying the grading is not as consistent as it once was at PSA....why else would he be doing SGC reveals now?
I just asked him how he felt for sgc vs psa…felt for vintage sgc was more consistent.
@@bbcardwiz1016 he sending his cards to SGC that alone speaks volumes of what's going on.
@@richardperez5075 Agree
I'm switching to SGC. I'd love CSG if they would do color schemes for the label instead of just green.
dont. do your research into sgc. very shady. if you have to grade, do computer grading. 0 argument against it
I have sent cards to SGC and am very pleased. Strict, accurate, consistent graders. I personally like their slabs the best, by far, even though they are a bit bulky. :)
thank u for posting these videos... I mean, I'm a fellow "PC" for a long time and we all want our collection to mean something... I appreciate these kind of videos, because I too see the videos and I came up with the same conclusion,,, there might be controlling the market... once again thank u
i went with hga when they first opened and 30 slabs later ill never go anywhere else, people say you wont get roi with hga well i say youre not selling in the right places ive gotten great returns in hga groups on facebook not everyone needs to sell on ebay. ill never go with psa and i know im not the only one and i also know it doesnt matter to psa but for me hga is it.
@josh Is the HGA groups in marketplace? I just got a HGA sub back with 2 Tim Duncan tops rookie true 9.5 and Fleer metal Garnett true 9.5 . I agree I think HGA is pretty accurate and they do grade surface very tough . I would definitely rather be graded tough then inconsistent.
@@alvinbarrett741 im in 3 different hga groups in facebook, one has over 12,000 members i believe its called buy,sell and trade hga slabs
PSA should be grading the cards correctly but PSA wants to control the pop counts .
YEAH THEY'RE DEFEATED IS RIGHT HAVE A GREAT DAY RETRO MAN YOU ARE AWESOME AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO TODAY
Can't see if there are any surface issues like scratches or smudges or print lines. Without an ultra close up, it is impossible to tell. I agree that the grades are harsh, but can't assume 8s and 9s without looking at the surface with a loup/magnifying glass.
Wow, another eye opener - PSA with another “swing and a miss”. I actually have been contemplating whether or not to crack my 2003 Topps Chrome LeBron James RC and have it re-graded - it’s a PSA 7, but I’ve looked it over with a magnifying glass and can’t for the life of me figure out how.
Other things you could try.... blacklight, using the camera in video mode on your phone (if it's decent) and zoom all the way in. I do this for edges. I see all kids of stuff that my large mag light doesn't hit doing this. Good luck!
@@gabeturner6451 thanks, I’ll pull it out later and do that to see if something shows up!
I had a 94 SP Arod that was raw graded a 9.5 by BGS, sent to PSA bc my local card shop has a PSA group submitter and it came back a 7. BGS 9.5 is $1000+, PSA 7 is maybe $50. It’s my pc but I feel disrespected.
How doesn't PSA at least owe this guy a refund or some sort of restitution? They aren't just off by a grade here. If I get the wrong order or bad food at a restaurant, they fix my order or take some $ off my bill. If the auto store I go to gives me the wrong tires for my car, they'll refund me the difference or put the right tires on at no additional charge. How can PSA run a business with no customer service, no customer interaction, or no explanation as to the sales and service they provide? Shame on us for continuing to allow this to happen. We fuel the fire by continuing to submit cards through PSA. Not that other grading companies don't have some of the same problems, but there need to be standards and consequences for grading companies. Maybe cards valued above a certain amount (say $200 maybe) should come with a stipulation that allows you to challenge the grades for a small fee and if you win your challenge there should be a refund and new grades applied to your cards. Shady, shady business!
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Can’t stand psa but the market dictates the ROI. The community needs to demand better, straight up.
Nice informative video my friend. Now let's see those cards crossover from HGA to SGC.. then from SGC to BGS.. then gather all of the data and compare grades.. lots of time and money though. But I haven't seen a comparison like that yet.
I’m a huge fan of hga, just got a batch of cards back and thought all the grades were fair, some exceeded my expectations. I have another batch of cards I was gonna send into psa when they opened up the cheaper services but I’m really reconsidering it now. Does psa still offer the option of not grading a card you send in unless it meets a certain grade, in other words say you want a 10 and only a 10 but they would grade it a 9 so instead of them slabbing it they send it back ungraded.
That’s ridiculous! I’d scream until I got my money back from PsA. I’m sure their grades were someone they had just hired and they were trying to push orders out. I like HGA too and feel they are very respectable.
This content is so important. Think of all the under graded cards in PSA slab prison. Its criminal that they would grade like this.
So I had numerous PSA returns since March, I noticed I been generally disappointed at my results for express submissions. (although I have not gotten as atrocious of a grade as a 4). However for Bulk Value, economy, and regular submission, my grades were actually on par or above my expectations, including some key 90s cards that would be only worth in the low hundreds as a PSA 9 but because they gave me a PSA 10, they were worth well in the 4 figures and I got a big upcharge. I heard a rumor that they have specific graders only working on value, economy, regular subs, and another group of graders that grades Express and above levels and they seem to be much much harsher. With that said I have submitted 3 separate Super Express orders as well and all 3 orders pretty much came back with the grades I expected with no surprises.
I've got 7 vintage HOF'ers in PSA cracked cases I want replaced with another case only. That's why I'm waiting another year. Not going to pay $300 or whatever to replace a cracked case....it's nuts. I'm forced to wait and it sucks.
Why are you waiting for a company that has the worst service out of all the grading companies?
@@RetroHoopCollectibles Because in my point of view...these are 1948 and above. I prefer PSA over BVG/SGC from 1947 thru 1979. I'm not getting them re-graded, just re-cased. I don't send cards in for grading, I'm not jumping on the NO PSA just yet. I prefer SGC from 1887 thru 1941.
Wowwww. HGA it is for me!!
sent psa a joe montana rookie card fully expecting a 9 hoping for a 10 the card is unbelievable...it comes back ungraded said "altered stock" with no explaination of what that meant ive owned thecard for 40 years nothing done to it i still am confused
Why does the psa lebron rc and the raw look way more off center then the HGA card?
You think there's a thing of controlling the market or are they trying to see if you sell your incorrectly graded slabs and they can scoop them up easy to resubmit for a lot of profit?
Your spot on bro. This doesn’t surprise me. PSA should be ashamed
What if it’s HGA that’s way off? We can’t see these cards condition on a RUclips video.