How to Submit Your Cards to PSA in 2021!

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @intothesoulpodcast5614
    @intothesoulpodcast5614 2 года назад +3

    Thank you so much for making the grading process so easy. I just submitted my first 3 cards for grading to see how the process goes before I really inspect my entire collection for a bulk grade. Thank you again!

  • @briane8714
    @briane8714 Год назад +1

    You have inspired me to take a more serious look at my own cards instead of relying on my local card shop. Thanks once again. Love the videos!

  • @bigmaccc34
    @bigmaccc34 Год назад +1

    Geoff I really appreciate your insights. Getting back into the hobby since I was a kid collecting basketball cards. And it’s great to have someone like you bring me back up to speed!!! Thank you man!

  • @yan2987
    @yan2987 3 года назад +4

    Two of my friends finally joined Market Mover this week end and they love it!
    I was getting really fed up of feeding them deals every week over the phone.
    Geoff, 9 rejects! Join the club, I did awful also on my grading skills. Great video.

  • @XBojangsX
    @XBojangsX 3 года назад +43

    Bruh Joe looked annoyed as hell when you did your intro 😂

    • @superbad0415
      @superbad0415 3 года назад +1

      I agree. His face turned.

    • @miket2951
      @miket2951 3 года назад +3

      this dude doesnt even inspect the back of his cards. smh

    • @Ynnojs1128
      @Ynnojs1128 3 года назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @thepullsportscards
      @thepullsportscards 3 года назад +1

      That's Joe! He is a chill dude, but a smart and good guy to listen too in this hobby.

    • @travisgreene3509
      @travisgreene3509 3 года назад +3

      That’s how everyone looks

  • @Wiscollectibles
    @Wiscollectibles 3 года назад +5

    I heard a tip recently that you should use thick card sleeves with the card savers- they are a little bit wider, so less likely to catch a corner of the card, and easier for the grader to remove the card from the sleeve.

  • @superbad0415
    @superbad0415 3 года назад +4

    i have seen psa 10 with surface scratch. This was on the 2020 Select. The scratch was pretty small. But if you have a long scratch probably the highest grade you might get is a psa 9 or 8.

  • @josephsciascia217
    @josephsciascia217 3 года назад +28

    I think you can see the cards better if you take the card out of the penny sleeve

    • @hayduranium
      @hayduranium 3 года назад +6

      They were and I’m pretty sure these two know what they’re doing

    • @PMac
      @PMac 3 года назад +1

      Ahhh... the magic of video editing!

    • @dmac7403
      @dmac7403 2 года назад

      Yeah but you can also put finger prints on them and that can lower the value and damage your card the less you handle it the better .

  • @stevedistefano5494
    @stevedistefano5494 3 года назад +3

    I really appreciate RUclips channel. I started collecting, back in the 1980s, then stopped. I’m just starting to get back into collecting; I am using collecting for investment, for myself and grandsons. While I had some idea about grading I never would have thought it was so intense. Also, I really wasn’t sure what sets to invest with; there are a lot more sets available, today, than 40 years ago. I did watch your sports cards 101. I’m looking forward to expanding my knowledge, thru your channel, and if they are interested, passing that on to my grandsons. Thank you

    • @miketyson8933
      @miketyson8933 Год назад

      Im with ya, I just got back into it as well, opened up a pack and got a Gold rare Scottie Barnes #4 out of 10 and Scottie's number is 4 and that's what collectors want so my card can be worth more then any of the others and by a LOT especially if it hits a 10

  • @ryant.warren5737
    @ryant.warren5737 3 года назад +2

    Great content! I just sent Joe my first PSA order of 126 cards and I'm super excited!!

    • @oneshotgrow
      @oneshotgrow 3 года назад +1

      Chances are they are going to be sent back to you since they can't submit them

  • @SpiffyMcZender
    @SpiffyMcZender 3 года назад +21

    Joe was grinning like a Cheshire Cat after catching all those flaws on Geoff's cards.

    • @PMac
      @PMac 3 года назад +4

      And Geoff looked genuinely pissed! Love it

    • @phillyfansufferer
      @phillyfansufferer 3 года назад +3

      @@PMac Geoff also gets upset when he has to go over 5 seconds without speaking. It's rare when one of his guests gets to complete a sentence before Geoff starts chiming in and talking over them before they're even finished

    • @slowyo9645
      @slowyo9645 5 месяцев назад

      @@phillyfansufferer Speculating, but it's scripted. Or, he looked them over and was aware that Joe would catch them for content. If they were all perfect, this video would be 3-minutes long.

  • @benjason8863
    @benjason8863 3 года назад +2

    I also wish you would submit some of those with print lines and super minor defects so we can see how PSA grades them, for the sake of us, the viewers. :)

  • @MacawVR
    @MacawVR 3 года назад +1

    7:55 corners centering edges surface, clean them put in card savers wipe with microfiber cloth

    • @MacawVR
      @MacawVR 3 года назад

      (Hold by edges while doing it so no fingerprints)

  • @maximusstorie6090
    @maximusstorie6090 3 года назад +1

    im deff using Joe when I send cards he seems awesome!!

  • @RBSmith-ko3ed
    @RBSmith-ko3ed 3 года назад

    He's got the Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith jerseys in the checkpoint!!!

  • @teamsycon
    @teamsycon 3 года назад

    Thank you for adding information for Overseas customers! I will be organizing my submission ASAP!

  • @lucycosentino23
    @lucycosentino23 3 года назад +1

    Joe should start a grading co. We need more

  • @michaelrusso6822
    @michaelrusso6822 3 года назад +14

    I'll still send a good deal of cards in even if I only think they will grade a 9. With this latest PSA price increase, you're going to see PSA 9's card values rise further above the value of a raw version of the same card.

    • @usefulidiots3970
      @usefulidiots3970 3 года назад +4

      I think that will happen eventually, but not for quit a while yet. The issue is the massive backlog at psa is the issue. The market will be flooded with so many graded cards. I think we will be ok with the higher end cards, but the days of every card being graded and prices skyrocketing is almost over, and that is for the better. Every card being in a slab cheapens the whole idea.

    • @ronintate770
      @ronintate770 3 года назад

      You all probably dont give a damn but does any of you know a tool to log back into an Instagram account..?
      I stupidly lost the account password. I appreciate any help you can give me.

    • @jerryxavier2251
      @jerryxavier2251 3 года назад

      @Ronin Tate instablaster ;)

    • @ronintate770
      @ronintate770 3 года назад

      @Jerry Xavier i really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and im in the hacking process atm.
      Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

    • @ronintate770
      @ronintate770 3 года назад

      @Jerry Xavier It worked and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy!
      Thanks so much you really help me out :D

  • @Time2Rip
    @Time2Rip 3 года назад +4

    Helpful epside. Shouldn't Joe be wearing a Braves uni? LoL. When do we get to see the reveal?

  • @billmaulding4042
    @billmaulding4042 3 года назад +2

    Joe is a great dude! Bought some stuff from him, straight shooter!

  • @22DINGOS
    @22DINGOS 3 года назад

    These two videos were great and I will probably use your service once PSA reopens. Can you Please do a the another episode doing the same with Vintage Baseball cards?

  • @jerryrichardson7265
    @jerryrichardson7265 3 года назад +1

    I love this you tube channel!!! Thanks guy's!!🔥👍😉

  • @MasonA2358
    @MasonA2358 3 года назад +1

    I'm just waiting for the showroom to reopen because my Inlaws live like 8 miles from the store!

  • @waddles3858
    @waddles3858 3 года назад

    Thanks for showing the input of the form might try and get a few cards together soon

  • @JimKrautkremer
    @JimKrautkremer 3 года назад +1

    Another high value episode -- and always good to see Joe there too.

  • @rossnrollthingsthatkickass2479
    @rossnrollthingsthatkickass2479 2 года назад

    Hey, hey👬🌈 keep up the great work, very proud of you two 👏. Love the show and your outfits, you are working it. So detailed, what an eye for detail😉 . Hey, Joe glad to se you supporting and taking time to look at his rock hards 😉🌈. Peace and love c u on the tailend

  • @jnc1417
    @jnc1417 3 года назад +1

    Man this was my first time practicing grading as I watched. It took me 4x to see that line on tatis. Just wow 🤯

  • @deanhinske6852
    @deanhinske6852 3 года назад +7

    When looking at cards for grading you must remove all personal feelings. Period.

  • @RUSSBOSKI88
    @RUSSBOSKI88 3 года назад

    Scratches on card are so hard to find you need a nice light to find them I noticed buying raw cards on eBay a high percentage will have scratches and the seller will list as mint

  • @ttimms2003
    @ttimms2003 3 года назад +1

    already hit like before the 30 sec mark

  • @Jv-fn5xg
    @Jv-fn5xg 3 года назад +1

    BECAME A FAN TODAY. SUBSCRIBED!

  • @desdes9470
    @desdes9470 3 года назад +3

    How do you guys know whose card is who when you get multiple of the same card on one shipment to PSA?

    • @phillyfansufferer
      @phillyfansufferer 3 года назад +1

      Your name is on them.

    • @desdes9470
      @desdes9470 3 года назад

      @@phillyfansufferer gotcha..I've always wanted to submit with a 3rd party..but always been afraid of cards getting mixed up

  • @benjason8863
    @benjason8863 3 года назад +3

    Hope somebody can answer my question. I'm noticing that some of the 90s cards grade well with PSA despite having obvious edge issues or some corner wear. I'd just like to know if they adjust their standards for these modern cards vs the ultra modern cards? Or maybe they grade the older cards in comparison with how they've graded the same card before? Thanks in advance to anyone :)

    • @Codymurray293
      @Codymurray293 2 года назад

      Hi, so the reason why the older cards grade better. So the standards are higher than more modern cards. So typically they will let more things slide 😀

    • @toddhale5387
      @toddhale5387 2 года назад

      90's is junk wax era...with it all about $ obviously they can afford to give the junk wax era some love to keep the $ rolling in.I love the flashy new cards but ill never buy or collect anything above 1979.

  • @rspbc
    @rspbc 3 года назад +1

    Confused.....The grading prices seem very low compared to the new PSA grading prices. Is this an old video? And why are you basing your estimated value at raw prices? PSA clearly states the estimate should be what the value would be after the card is graded.

  • @TW-fv2zu
    @TW-fv2zu 3 года назад +3

    Joe probably pre-screens 100% HARDER than his other staff.... Apparently EVERY card I sent was perfect. Joe's staff likely Do NOT screen that well...

  • @allanmathew1294
    @allanmathew1294 3 года назад +1

    Question: Who do you think is the better buy for long term holding, Patrick Williams or Deandre Hunter?

  • @derekhead7068
    @derekhead7068 4 месяца назад

    I realize this video is 3 years old, just now watching it, but was there ever a video made of getting these cards back from PSA that you guys reviewed before sending them??? I can’t seem to find the video with these cards.

  • @jamiemack1981
    @jamiemack1981 3 года назад +1

    How about light surface scratches on the back of cards ?

  • @fademmlg
    @fademmlg 3 года назад

    Gotta love Joe Davis… haha the man is just about it.

  • @blake8918
    @blake8918 3 года назад

    Love Joe's cardinals jersey.

  • @jarethoyle3799
    @jarethoyle3799 3 года назад +1

    Can we use yall’s bulk service to grade Pokémon cards?

  • @davidpress8195
    @davidpress8195 3 года назад +1

    Great Video. Very Informative !!

  • @oneshotgrow
    @oneshotgrow 3 года назад +6

    Bruh...how you gonna go and steal Gem Mint's submission form

    • @oneshotgrow
      @oneshotgrow 3 года назад

      and no answer. Hacks.

    • @hockeycardrookiesslimscrap1588
      @hockeycardrookiesslimscrap1588 3 года назад

      Lol pre screen cards lol go directly with Beckett they don’t give away 10’s 72 cards 2 10’s one was black labeled lol mostly 9.5 couple 9’s 2 7.5’s. Bad centring I think lol good work though.

  • @billysmalls6850
    @billysmalls6850 3 года назад +2

    Is this an old video? The bulk submission prices were off. They start at 20 now. Video showed 16 after your fees added.

    • @PMac
      @PMac 3 года назад +1

      The pricing is shown on the spreadsheet in the video as $20 for ultra modern (2018+) but the card being reviewed was pre-2018 which is $16.

  • @cardboardcheddar1674
    @cardboardcheddar1674 3 года назад +1

    Great info...What’s the tool Joe uses?

  • @redcapesports
    @redcapesports 3 года назад +2

    Great Videos man! - Mitch

  • @BenjiCT
    @BenjiCT 3 года назад +1

    I was about to submit cards for the first time. Is it really $300 a card now??

    • @silversrotch
      @silversrotch 3 года назад

      Im in the same boat man once I started hearing horror stories online too I'm super reluctant to even try a grading service

  • @Lawson0550
    @Lawson0550 2 года назад

    How does everyone go about determined the value of their cards before any type of submission?

  • @jamstarent21
    @jamstarent21 3 года назад +1

    HOLY MOLY thats alot of wax and hobby boxes

  • @flareskateboards
    @flareskateboards Год назад

    gosh i got a desmond ridder pandora downtown and now im all in my head over submitting it 😪

  • @emryscass7327
    @emryscass7327 2 года назад

    It's difficult for me to submit any card for grading when these companies want a percentage of it's value even when I have no intention of selling the card.

  • @systemtrend3194
    @systemtrend3194 3 года назад

    And how do the fees work for Joe’s shop? Flat fee or percentage based on the graded card? What are the fees?

  • @Adammakesitall
    @Adammakesitall 2 года назад

    Thanks! Great Info for the nubi

  • @drewpro81
    @drewpro81 3 года назад

    Hey Geoff, what’s the best centering tool on the market, currently? Love the content. Just submitted my first batch to Joe this past week! Great service so far and very professional!

    • @schnurrfpv4594
      @schnurrfpv4594 3 года назад

      I use the grade master its worked great for me

  • @mikekeeler6362
    @mikekeeler6362 2 года назад +1

    The guy lives in Atlanta and wears a cardinal Jersey

  • @zackse7en426
    @zackse7en426 3 года назад

    Could the customer know the grading result before PSA return shipping?

  • @michaelrodriguez2953
    @michaelrodriguez2953 2 года назад

    I always wanted a Jim Thorpe 1955 football card but the prices were always too high…I finally bought one ungraded and now I want to have it graded..
    Not to sell but to keep. What’s the best way to do that?

  • @mman12
    @mman12 3 года назад

    Was there a followup video of the ones that were sent in?

  • @Corridor_Collectiables
    @Corridor_Collectiables 2 года назад

    Have these cards come back from PSA yet? Wondering about the grades.

  • @ssist01
    @ssist01 3 года назад +1

    So is it a comc account you need?

  • @yycvintagecards
    @yycvintagecards 3 года назад +4

    Why are you basing your declared value on raw prices? PSA clearly states that declared value is to be based on your projected graded value.

    • @dustinandrews7409
      @dustinandrews7409 3 года назад

      Exactly what I wanted to know. So do we use raw or the grade value we hope for?

    • @yycvintagecards
      @yycvintagecards 3 года назад +1

      @@dustinandrews7409 PSA's website has this info in the FAQ:
      Q: What is a Declared Value?
      A: When submitting these items, you will also be required to enter a Declared Value. We understand you will not know the True Value of the item until it is authenticated, so we ask that you form a realistic, educated guess based on your own research, keeping in mind the Declared Value is also used for insurance purposes.
      This seems to be contrary to what Geoff showed in the video. I would be concerned that if something happened to your card, you would only be insured for the value that you entered as Declared Value.

    • @dustinandrews7409
      @dustinandrews7409 3 года назад

      @@yycvintagecards thank you for your time and the clarification on that. I'm really nervous about submitting my cards right now and loosing money. I have 8 Shaq rookies one gold. I bought a centering tool and they look great. Plus 14 good 93 Jordan's. Would you recommend base submission or speed up the process on these cards?

    • @PMac
      @PMac 3 года назад +1

      @@dustinandrews7409 IMO go cheapest method unless your financial position requires fast $$$. Both cards hold excellent long-term value. What's the rush?

    • @dustinandrews7409
      @dustinandrews7409 3 года назад

      @@PMac I honestly would like to get some fast money to put back into my collection.What do you think of sgc?

  • @ronfukui5996
    @ronfukui5996 3 года назад

    Will Joe accept and pre-screen any cards that PSA accepts for grading, or do they have to be sports cards? Enjoy your videos. Thanks!

  • @Pei-HongLiu
    @Pei-HongLiu 3 года назад +1

    Just the video i needed

  • @fatpacksphunter9702
    @fatpacksphunter9702 3 года назад

    This is what makes me wonder why people love graded cards to me it makes no sense unless your wealthy and OCD or just want to take advantage of people who are by selling them PSA graded cards

  • @ceskgalaxycreations2751
    @ceskgalaxycreations2751 Год назад

    I notice some of the cards hes not taking out of the plastic, and he's saying this one is ready to go.....but if he doesn't take the card out of the plastic sleeve then how can you tell if the surface is good, the sleeve gives off a glare also.....dont you have to take it out of the sleeve and look at the card raw to find any surface issues??

  • @carbinetradesu7559
    @carbinetradesu7559 2 года назад

    can we put them into hard loaders instead? would psa not take them ?

  • @lilboysus1
    @lilboysus1 3 года назад +1

    I have about 3000$ worth of cards to sell worth around 2-90 dollars each. What do you think is the best way to sell them

  • @daymionmardel6459
    @daymionmardel6459 3 года назад

    Hi - great lessons and Joe’s service looks great! One suggestion : Can you also promote other alternatives like SGC or CSG since PSA is extremely backed up and over priced

  • @edwingeisslerjr.6371
    @edwingeisslerjr.6371 3 года назад

    Have to be super careful especially because of the PSA price increase.

  • @PlaidDad
    @PlaidDad Год назад

    I’m looking to submit some high end cards and don’t really like the thought of someone potentially handling the cards without gloves on. Please tell me they don’t do this bare handed?

  • @nomi4560
    @nomi4560 2 года назад

    Just starting to collect

  • @23ajshuffle
    @23ajshuffle 2 года назад

    Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. My grandfather's collection was passed down to me. Various years and sports such as hockey cards from the 50's I believe (could be wrong). He was also in a semi famous band back in the 60's called The Five Americans, I am not sure if that gives the collection more value but I have thousands of cards and have no idea how to even start getting them valued and graded especially since I can't afford to get each card graded. Any tips or advice?

  • @aaronh248
    @aaronh248 3 года назад

    Doesn't PSA say that printing imperfections that don't distract from the appearance of card could still get a 10?
    Also see a giant fingerprint on the Tyler Herro green lol

  • @robertalvarez8689
    @robertalvarez8689 3 года назад +1

    perfect timing as they just stopped accepting subs ha

  • @feboogi
    @feboogi 2 года назад

    Can Canadians use this submission service? Is billing done via credit card ? Do Canadians have to pay duty fees ? Thanks guys !!!

  • @SPOOKYTOFU
    @SPOOKYTOFU 3 года назад

    Do you do Pokémon cards as well?

  • @madmaxsports
    @madmaxsports 3 года назад

    Where can I get those magnifying glasses that Joe was using? Thanks for your helpful videos

    • @Teabagonyou
      @Teabagonyou 3 года назад +1

      They say it in the fucking video dude. Pay attention. 🤦‍♂️

  • @sewaseem
    @sewaseem 3 года назад

    Great info here, were your cards from pack pulls of your own or were they singles you had bought raw?

  • @waltercopus1485
    @waltercopus1485 2 года назад

    I've learn the hard way. Cards have 2 sides not 1 side. The back has killed me so many times.

  • @surgery318
    @surgery318 Год назад

    I have a question regarding surface. Sometimes I will be able to see what looks like print lines or a faint scratch with the naked eye and a light source. However, when I put the 10x magnifier to it with a light source, there's no indent or damage to the card, I don't see the print line or whatever it is I'm seeing with my naked eye. Does this happen to you and in these cases what do you do about submitting if the card otherwise looks perfect?

  • @DevinGThatsMe
    @DevinGThatsMe 2 года назад +1

    I live in Virginia and would love to get in touch with you guys! I have a whole binder of old Michael Jordan cards, Allen Iverson, Shannon Sharp, John Elway, terrel Davis, the list goes on. (all need to be graded in amazing condition)

    • @ambereasley84
      @ambereasley84 2 года назад

      VA here here. I have chipper jones Barry bonds Shaq, Jordan, and more.I have no experience with grading or selling cards. I just know that they've not been used in any way other than to be stored in too loading screens ...
      I'm confused with PSA being closed?
      Also, I've seen some valuable cards on places like ebay that don't have a PCA grade that are going for a substantial price not much difference than the grade ones

  • @WTABallers
    @WTABallers 3 года назад

    What type (dimensions) box did you use in the video to send off the cards?

  • @Fernando71029
    @Fernando71029 3 года назад

    When do we have to pay for the service?

  • @lestersandoval2975
    @lestersandoval2975 3 года назад

    WHAT does joe get out of this ?? do they charge a fee also ??

  • @billysikes1374
    @billysikes1374 2 года назад

    I haven't ever got any Cards Graded, Is Joe's shop in Atlanta? I live 4 hours from there (Savannah Ga) I have at least 10 cards that really need to be Graded, 1 is a 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan, 1 is a 2000 SCORE Tom Brady, then several Mike Trout rookies, I would like to take them to Joe instead of Sending them off, I go to Atlanta a lot, Enjoyed the video, Glad he let Joe speak at the end, Is there a number I can reach Joe at? Thank You

  • @jormanhernandez729
    @jormanhernandez729 3 года назад

    I have a baseball card (just started collecting them) but I haven’t seen any online been trying to see how much it’s worth but no luck,
    It’s a 10/10 but idk if it’s actually worth anything, would love some help

  • @jordandonahue8558
    @jordandonahue8558 3 года назад

    Wouldn't most of these cards graded as PSA8 still be worth double the price of each submission $$?

  • @yubijeong5118
    @yubijeong5118 3 года назад

    Can anyone tell me how long does standard BGS service takes? It's for international grading

  • @loupremo
    @loupremo 2 года назад

    so to get 10 cards graded you would need $1000?

  • @maximusstorie6090
    @maximusstorie6090 3 года назад

    love your videos

  • @8dames481
    @8dames481 3 года назад

    Anyone know what brand or the name for magnifying glass ?

  • @klosoncy
    @klosoncy 3 года назад

    went to your website tried to download your submission form and got errors. Any issues with your site? thanks

  • @drewkemp6174
    @drewkemp6174 3 года назад +2

    This didn't age well after 2 days!

  • @thomasfinn7784
    @thomasfinn7784 2 года назад

    quick question, if they see an issue with the card and predict that it will get a bad grade o they send it in regardless or will they inform you and let you have the option of whether or not you would like to send it in or have it shipped back to you.

  • @rahiqalam
    @rahiqalam 2 года назад

    PSA's center grading sucks for less expensive cards. Everyone flooding them with lower value cards, so you pay them more for the extra attention they're giving your valuable card. Also probably why they have a good reputation, all their expensive cards are actually being graded properly. Personally I think AI grading companies like AGS is the future.

  • @jasonu972
    @jasonu972 3 года назад

    How would you comp a 1/1 card?

  • @chrisbarberi4173
    @chrisbarberi4173 3 года назад

    Aren’t those old grading service fees?

  • @larrykelley1818
    @larrykelley1818 3 года назад

    Do you and joe submit marvel comic cards

  • @thorobredfeedsales3934
    @thorobredfeedsales3934 3 года назад

    Is the back centering irrelevant?

  • @believeexcelachieve
    @believeexcelachieve 3 года назад

    I sent in my cards this past August and PSA is still not even halfway through the grading process. 9 months later. I don't have much of a choice other than to sell ungraded.

    • @adamdixon2257
      @adamdixon2257 3 года назад

      Are they back yet?

    • @believeexcelachieve
      @believeexcelachieve 3 года назад

      @@adamdixon2257 yes they got back a few months ago

    • @adamdixon2257
      @adamdixon2257 3 года назад

      @@believeexcelachieve Nice 👍

    • @ambereasley84
      @ambereasley84 2 года назад

      Believe, after going through all that time waiting. I hope your cards were valuable and worth it, if you could tell someone ready to take the same actions, would you recommend sending to PSA? (Also considering you have a few very valuable/high $ selling vintage cards) im trying to decide if its worth it to invest and lose that much unless it adds 2,000 or more dollars to the value.
      Worded differently, if you were grading yours to list for sell, would you personally recommend sending them in and waiting? Which risks the demand or price and popularity to decrease while waiting? Or would you rather have settled for r selling ungraded