I learned about what this plugin does from this video and just bought it in the black friday sale. Currently toying around with it. While playing with it I found a nice hotkey that might make 9:37 a little bit more comfortable: Ctrl. If you hold Ctrl while turning either the left or the right parameter it will turn both parameters simultaneously. *I just found out:* You can also just use *the right mouse button* to turn a dial and it will turn both dials (left+right) simultaneously! This way you can dial in the correct amount with stereo stuff from the getgo. Additionally you can hold shift for finer control, which can be turned up to max precision in the plugin settings (Burger Menu -> Global Settings -> Precision to the max). Thanks for your videos & Have a nice weekend!
I find it super useful to have a low pass filter on my master channel for this type of thing. Doing another a/b while listening to the bass and sub only is super helpful.
Killer plugin that you will use in every track you make, worth every penny imo. I got my copy on sale via Plugin Boutique and saved a few more pennies using my virtual cash. Can be used on your snare channel too, to help it sit nicely with the transient of the kick
great video as always!!! however just to be clear this is not phase rotation, this is phase shifting. phase rotation is shifting the phase of each harmonic by the exact same amount, whereas phase shifting shifts the phase of each harmonic whilst taking into account the wavelength of each harmonic :)
the lower the frequency of the harmonic, the longer the wave length. in phase shifting, all frequencies are shifted by the same number of degrees, whereas phase rotation will shift a higher frequency by a far larger amount of degrees than a low frequency. Stop it it into an analogy, a big wheel (lower frequency) takes longer to turn all the way around than a small wheel (higher frequency) hopefully this helps!
yes, as a REAPER user I can vouch for this. However, as a REAPER user who works at other studios sometimes, I find more value in using exclusively plugins that I can use in any DAW. That way, if need be, I can take it with me and use it that day in Pro Tools or something.
You can also achieve this by shifting the phase of the OSC, if your synth supports this, right? Atleast, this is what helped me tons when creating these superfast basslines such as psytrance needs.
once you put some vst, (EQ) whatever on the chain the phase is out again. i use this at the very last moment when everything is in place . much more accurate
@@DashGlitch It has phase rotation per Hz, in a graph, and auto mode, that sync one channel with another. It's called "Spectral Phase compensation". It synchronizes all instances of the same group. In theory it's for microphones, but nothing prevents you from using it for kick and bass, as long as the phase shift is the same (distance between microphones). I think this would be the method to follow, although I haven't tried it: It takes work to re-record each part that is different, if the distance or time between midi notes changes, it's like moving the microphones while recording and this is a bad idea... but it can be done with several midi tracks or by cutting the audio into several tracks, depending on how the distances between notes of both instruments change. The idea is to have an instance of the plugin on each channel. Once the plugin analyzes the audio of the group, it does its voodoo magic and stays that way, that's why you have to use many tracks with each series of notes that change in distance. I think editing a vocal track is more work. I don't know if I explained myself well. Manual ducking with fade in and fade out is also important, when the notes sound in unison, or when the tail or body of the bass drum interferes with the bass. The Baphometrix channel has some very interesting ideas on the subject of kick, bass and ducking, apart from other topics. Since there are few of this channel, I hope the recommendation doesn't bother you. I can edit the comment and remove this last part if you want.
this is Oszillos Mega Scope it's third party plugin, however check out Sub Ninja (free for february with code DASHGLITCH) I don't get any thing from it, I just promoting because it's similar :)
Really great tutorial, thank you! For some reason my Megascope is not updating in real time when I move a parameter on the Voxengo plug in, do you know what might be going wrong please?
@@DashGlitch yes i use ableton my bass keep moving around even when i set the phase knob to not random in serum i dont know how really to stop it it seems even if i bounce to audio it still does
So what is sometimes do is when i have my kick and bass i like to phase align my sub and kick tail. But when i play a melody the waveform obviously changed phase cuz a 45 hz wavevorm is shorter than a 30 hz waveform. Now here is my question. Can i automate the phase without clicking
Dash, I know that this video was sponsored by voxengo :), but for keeping it real... is this better in your opinion than faTimeAlign? or put it this way: would you recommend this over faTA? I know you were using that for quite some time for KB phase correction, showed off quite a few times...
For phase, yes it offers a few more tools, but I still use faTA for various other tasks, specifically lining up hardware and software channels in real-time 😃
@@DashGlitch I don't use any hardware synths, so that would be no issue for me... I tried faTimeAlign and I really liked it, but on sale it was still pricey, PHA at the moment seems like a really good deal. thanks :)
Hi Dash ! thx for this video ! one question, is that right that the sweet spot of the phase is at that place where the waveform of the Kick looks similar like the wave of the origin kick ? because of this reason you use this plugin !? Regards from Germany !!
Basically yes. When they are in phase the combined signal more closely follows the original contour of the kick. When they are 180deg out of phase, the resultant waveform is much lower in volume. It's quite subtle but once you get a feel for it, it becomes more obvious. If you're struggling to see/hear the effect, try synthesising (or choosing) a kick with a big beefy tail, full sustain or close too. It might sound like garbage for a track, but the idea is to use extreme settings to learn about the process, like you would for compression for example. You can apply a stronger and stronger fade out to train your ears/eyes to notice the effect with the kicks you are more likely to actually use in your tracks.
I dont know why, but I looked at the oscilloscope and as soon as I added this plugin it changed the waveform before I evem made any changes in the plugin itself. this doesn't happens with fasampledelay plugin
think of this as just delaying a certain frequency range while faSample delay delays the entire signal. Both have pros and cons, the former being able to retain transient on-the-grid a bit better imho
if I use kick 2, would this plugin help me aligning the phase with the bass, I'm asking this since in kick 2 you can pretty much move the tail of the kick until it aligns with the bass. BTW great video
if i have a Vst for bass with few plugins on the insert and don‘t want to bounce it now, so i place it at the end of insert chain? (Because at the end of Video, you talked about it‘s very useful when you use samples)
@@adammolot interface and other equipment doesn't change the quality of the sound in the DAW, only the plugins do that. Your monitors can affect what you hear and help you make better decisions, but that's about it imho
Hey Dash! I just saw a video by Mute Production, he was using Operator on Ableton to (from what I understood) change the "wavetable" from saw into sine to create a psy bass pluck. Is there any way to do this one Serum or any stock FL plug-ins? I have ideas but would like to hear yours
@@shoppingcart238 pretty much yup. If you have plenty of time on your hands you can make the morph travel through some interesting shapes and end up with a super nice sounding sweep! Plus the artefacts that usually come with filtering are no longer part of the equation!
Whilst the phase relationship between kick and bass is very important, you cannot "see" groove or feel. The extremely subtle changes that affect a track's kick and bass ability to hypnotize and create a deeply psychoacoustic effect on the listener will never be seen on an oscilloscope. This is worth bearing in mind.
@@DashGlitch I have never seen or felt a groove with my eyes. The point at which overlap between kick and bass happens is very complex, highly likely 2 different frequencies (as your kick is dropping in frequency) so matching phase alone does not guarantee a hypnotic, forward moving groove. I have found you need to listen for groove and consider where in the kick and bass wave forms overlap.
@@DashGlitch Thx, I am not sure if I could do it or if it would help. If top level kick and bass was just matching phase every top level artist's kick and bass would sound the same. That is evidently not the case. I have "matched" phase and disliked the kick and bass many times over. In the end it always gets tweaked by ear because no one sees your oscilloscope on the dance floor (or anywhere they listen). Make it for effect and feel. (phase gets you in the ball park, that last 5pct that makes it spot on for your groove goal) I enjoy your channel by the way !
for win users, on mac it doesn't exist. to be honest voxengo pha with the sale now is the best price you can get for a phase plugin. waves, forward audio TimeAlign and other paid plugins are much more expensive even on sale. I have Eventide precision time align, which is great, but this is a very versatile plugin, especially for 38usd. edit: sry, i was mistaken, with the never ending waves 40% discount with coupon, waves inphase can be purchased for 29.99usd, which is the best price if you go with paid ones.
@@BappinProductions i have like 3-4 plugins max from thm and most of them was free... but why on mac you'd need to actually wup those to work? should work on the current version forever... i'm on a 2012 mbp so I will never upgrade to catalina bigsur or whatever neither... is anything else happening for mac users?
Perhaps if the track was isolated we could hear it. Also, I do not feel comfortable with the explanation. It’s like he’s winging it? He does know A to B though.
beginning bass test ......with phase ...the poop is a turd ..and mass without phase the poop is diarrhea and spread aound without border around it :)))
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I learned about what this plugin does from this video and just bought it in the black friday sale. Currently toying around with it. While playing with it I found a nice hotkey that might make 9:37 a little bit more comfortable: Ctrl. If you hold Ctrl while turning either the left or the right parameter it will turn both parameters simultaneously. *I just found out:* You can also just use *the right mouse button* to turn a dial and it will turn both dials (left+right) simultaneously! This way you can dial in the correct amount with stereo stuff from the getgo. Additionally you can hold shift for finer control, which can be turned up to max precision in the plugin settings (Burger Menu -> Global Settings -> Precision to the max).
Thanks for your videos & Have a nice weekend!
amazing thanks!
The new lighting looks amazing
I'll let you know what I think: absolute legend covering the plugin from a neutral perspective
This thing is the answer to my prayers. ;-D The phase manipulation in your demonstration sounds much clearing/tighter to me than with the delay.
I feel exactly the same, i've been looking for this for very long.
I find it super useful to have a low pass filter on my master channel for this type of thing. Doing another a/b while listening to the bass and sub only is super helpful.
But low pass will affect phase lol
Awesome content as always
Amazing track, sounding hyper clean on my LSR 308s
Killer plugin that you will use in every track you make, worth every penny imo. I got my copy on sale via Plugin Boutique and saved a few more pennies using my virtual cash. Can be used on your snare channel too, to help it sit nicely with the transient of the kick
Great tool we’ll explained
Track is sounding really slick.
great video as always!!! however just to be clear this is not phase rotation, this is phase shifting. phase rotation is shifting the phase of each harmonic by the exact same amount, whereas phase shifting shifts the phase of each harmonic whilst taking into account the wavelength of each harmonic :)
what does it mean taking into account the wavelength of each harmonic?
the lower the frequency of the harmonic, the longer the wave length. in phase shifting, all frequencies are shifted by the same number of degrees, whereas phase rotation will shift a higher frequency by a far larger amount of degrees than a low frequency. Stop it it into an analogy, a big wheel (lower frequency) takes longer to turn all the way around than a small wheel (higher frequency) hopefully this helps!
@@MuteProduction yes it helps, thank you
Helpful, good track too
Amazing Tutorial Thank you so much
what about the RSPhaseShifter from maat?
Thanks for tutorial 👍
wow nice plug thanks
nice but if you work in REAPER you don't need it cz it comes with JS: Time Adjustment Delay
and JS: Phase Rotator plugins which do job
yes, as a REAPER user I can vouch for this.
However, as a REAPER user who works at other studios sometimes, I find more value in using exclusively plugins that I can use in any DAW. That way, if need be, I can take it with me and use it that day in Pro Tools or something.
You can also achieve this by shifting the phase of the OSC, if your synth supports this, right? Atleast, this is what helped me tons when creating these superfast basslines such as psytrance needs.
once you put some vst, (EQ) whatever on the chain the phase is out again. i use this at the very last moment when everything is in place . much more accurate
also @dash you can force raw waves into being very asymmetrical using pha979 and i’m sure you can imagine how useful that can be!!
your streaming rn 😁 ths a great video i try to to sc with a multi-anaylyzer but could still be useful,thanks
Just grab an EQ in NON linear phase mode., EQ the low end with a HPF in the non audio range between 0-28 Hz ... phase adjustment voila...
Can you try Melda MAutoAlign?
I have, it's just a time shift/polarity inversion and not a rotation like PHA979
@@DashGlitch It has phase rotation per Hz, in a graph, and auto mode, that sync one channel with another. It's called "Spectral Phase compensation".
It synchronizes all instances of the same group.
In theory it's for microphones, but nothing prevents you from using it for kick and bass, as long as the phase shift is the same (distance between microphones).
I think this would be the method to follow, although I haven't tried it:
It takes work to re-record each part that is different, if the distance or time between midi notes changes, it's like moving the microphones while recording and this is a bad idea... but it can be done with several midi tracks or by cutting the audio into several tracks, depending on how the distances between notes of both instruments change.
The idea is to have an instance of the plugin on each channel. Once the plugin analyzes the audio of the group, it does its voodoo magic and stays that way, that's why you have to use many tracks with each series of notes that change in distance. I think editing a vocal track is more work. I don't know if I explained myself well.
Manual ducking with fade in and fade out is also important, when the notes sound in unison, or when the tail or body of the bass drum interferes with the bass.
The Baphometrix channel has some very interesting ideas on the subject of kick, bass and ducking, apart from other topics. Since there are few of this channel, I hope the recommendation doesn't bother you. I can edit the comment and remove this last part if you want.
What is the visual display resampled ? Is it part of the DAW ?
this is Oszillos Mega Scope it's third party plugin, however check out Sub Ninja (free for february with code DASHGLITCH) I don't get any thing from it, I just promoting because it's similar :)
Cheers!
When talking about the price most producers are like hmmm, there must be a site somewhere somehow.. :) Anyway great content like always. Ty. :)
r2r XD
Really great tutorial, thank you! For some reason my Megascope is not updating in real time when I move a parameter on the Voxengo plug in, do you know what might be going wrong please?
Super helpful and well explained :)
are there any alternatives for Voxengo PHA-979 ? i mean - maybe have some plugins from Steinberg or any others but with a similar effect ?
MAutoAlign does a great job
how do you get the bass to start at same time whitout bounce it to audio?
Ableton's PDC is broken, that's an issue with that DAW, I presume you use it?
@@DashGlitch yes i use ableton my bass keep moving around even when i set the phase knob to not random in serum i dont know how really to stop it it seems even if i bounce to audio it still does
@@DashGlitch i havent heard back from you could you explain what to do
So what is sometimes do is when i have my kick and bass i like to phase align my sub and kick tail. But when i play a melody the waveform obviously changed phase cuz a 45 hz wavevorm is shorter than a 30 hz waveform. Now here is my question. Can i automate the phase without clicking
What oscilloscope are you using?
OszillosMegaScope
Cubase. Wise man.
How does this compare to FA Time Align?
Time align is only doing the delay part, not phase manipulation :)
@@DashGlitch Got it. Thank you.
this work for kick drums? as the ssl x-phases?
Dash, I know that this video was sponsored by voxengo :), but for keeping it real... is this better in your opinion than faTimeAlign? or put it this way: would you recommend this over faTA? I know you were using that for quite some time for KB phase correction, showed off quite a few times...
For phase, yes it offers a few more tools, but I still use faTA for various other tasks, specifically lining up hardware and software channels in real-time 😃
@@DashGlitch I don't use any hardware synths, so that would be no issue for me... I tried faTimeAlign and I really liked it, but on sale it was still pricey, PHA at the moment seems like a really good deal. thanks :)
Hi Dash ! thx for this video !
one question, is that right that the sweet spot of the phase is at that place where the waveform of the Kick looks similar like the wave of the origin kick ? because of this reason you use this plugin !?
Regards from Germany !!
Basically yes. When they are in phase the combined signal more closely follows the original contour of the kick. When they are 180deg out of phase, the resultant waveform is much lower in volume.
It's quite subtle but once you get a feel for it, it becomes more obvious. If you're struggling to see/hear the effect, try synthesising (or choosing) a kick with a big beefy tail, full sustain or close too. It might sound like garbage for a track, but the idea is to use extreme settings to learn about the process, like you would for compression for example. You can apply a stronger and stronger fade out to train your ears/eyes to notice the effect with the kicks you are more likely to actually use in your tracks.
@@BappinProductions thx man!!!!
Nice!
Yes, it makes sense [-;
Purchased XP
I dont know why, but I looked at the oscilloscope and as soon as I added this plugin it changed the waveform
before I evem made any changes in the plugin itself. this doesn't happens with fasampledelay plugin
think of this as just delaying a certain frequency range while faSample delay delays the entire signal. Both have pros and cons, the former being able to retain transient on-the-grid a bit better imho
@@DashGlitch good to know. Thanks
So this Vst is just a manual Version of mautoalign by melda or am i missing something?
Thanks
if I use kick 2, would this plugin help me aligning the phase with the bass, I'm asking this since in kick 2 you can pretty much move the tail of the kick until it aligns with the bass. BTW great video
Yes it will. Because once you do more processing on kick or bass you may change the phase correlation
@@stelthtenau ^This
awesome ok I might have to get it then lol.... thanx and keep uploading more vids man
if i have a Vst for bass with few plugins on the insert and don‘t want to bounce it now, so i place it at the end of insert chain?
(Because at the end of Video, you talked about it‘s very useful when you use samples)
What kind of sound card did you use here?
It doesn't really matter as it won't affect anything that's ITB, that being said Old focusrite Pro24
@@DashGlitch Ok. So what does? ;-)
@@adammolot stuff that's in the box
@@DashGlitch I don't quite understand what you mean? Can I have a little more details?
@@adammolot interface and other equipment doesn't change the quality of the sound in the DAW, only the plugins do that. Your monitors can affect what you hear and help you make better decisions, but that's about it imho
Whenever I try and use this it adds so much latency without even changing any of the settings.
That's the point it's shifting tracks with time movements so it has to delay the signal in order to move the sound forward
Cubase can flip the phase as well, nut sure why this is mentioned as the "killer feature" :).
flip and rotate are different ball games, flip just has 2 variables where rotate is everywhere inbetween.
@@DashGlitch Got it!
Спасибо👍
Hey Dash!
I just saw a video by Mute Production, he was using Operator on Ableton to (from what I understood) change the "wavetable" from saw into sine to create a psy bass pluck. Is there any way to do this one Serum or any stock FL plug-ins? I have ideas but would like to hear yours
you could create a morph table in serum :))
@@MuteProduction that what's I was thinking, just replace filter env with wavetable pos
@@shoppingcart238 pretty much yup. If you have plenty of time on your hands you can make the morph travel through some interesting shapes and end up with a super nice sounding sweep! Plus the artefacts that usually come with filtering are no longer part of the equation!
Whilst the phase relationship between kick and bass is very important, you cannot "see" groove or feel. The extremely subtle changes that affect a track's kick and bass ability to hypnotize and create a deeply psychoacoustic effect on the listener will never be seen on an oscilloscope. This is worth bearing in mind.
Why not? Is there something other than audio passing through the channel creating the effect?
@@DashGlitch I have never seen or felt a groove with my eyes. The point at which overlap between kick and bass happens is very complex, highly likely 2 different frequencies (as your kick is dropping in frequency) so matching phase alone does not guarantee a hypnotic, forward moving groove. I have found you need to listen for groove and consider where in the kick and bass wave forms overlap.
@@mikromakro1367 Interesting, you should make a tutorial with all this info :)
@@DashGlitch Thx, I am not sure if I could do it or if it would help. If top level kick and bass was just matching phase every top level artist's kick and bass would sound the same. That is evidently not the case. I have "matched" phase and disliked the kick and bass many times over. In the end it always gets tweaked by ear because no one sees your oscilloscope on the dance floor (or anywhere they listen). Make it for effect and feel. (phase gets you in the ball park, that last 5pct that makes it spot on for your groove goal) I enjoy your channel by the way !
Is this better than faTimeAlign?
it's a bit different, timeAlign doesn't change the sound at all sonically, this has a tone
Audiocation Phase AP1 is a free alternative
for win users, on mac it doesn't exist. to be honest voxengo pha with the sale now is the best price you can get for a phase plugin. waves, forward audio TimeAlign and other paid plugins are much more expensive even on sale. I have Eventide precision time align, which is great, but this is a very versatile plugin, especially for 38usd.
edit: sry, i was mistaken, with the never ending waves 40% discount with coupon, waves inphase can be purchased for 29.99usd, which is the best price if you go with paid ones.
@@Renato.P also fuck Waves for WUP especially as a Mac user when you actually have to update to keep your plugins working.
@@BappinProductions i have like 3-4 plugins max from thm and most of them was free... but why on mac you'd need to actually wup those to work? should work on the current version forever... i'm on a 2012 mbp so I will never upgrade to catalina bigsur or whatever neither... is anything else happening for mac users?
Perhaps if the track was isolated we could hear it. Also, I do not feel comfortable with the explanation. It’s like he’s winging it? He does know A to B though.
swear phase rotation requires a delay
beginning bass test ......with phase ...the poop is a turd ..and mass
without phase the poop is diarrhea and spread aound without border around it :)))
I DOOONT HEAR ANYTHING