Please please don’t stop making these videos as a person who’s been in the trucking business for five years is now in the process of getting my own authority I love getting knowledge from you thank you😇🙏🏽
I own a 2013 international prostar with Maxx Force engine on it. It's been 7 months since I've been doing East coast and west coast without any major problems and I haul 43.000 lbs going up to a lot of hills I mean big tall mountains and people still say to me that my truck is bad and I always say back to them my truck is good.
David, I truly appreciate you breaking down so many different pieces of running a successful trucking business, both the good and bad. I am new to the trucking industry and I have watch all of your videos and they all are very helpful and informative. It’s hard to come across people that are in the industry that will break down info and give advice like this.
Great video and I always value your experience and opinion. Due to an injury, I had to quit driving after 30 years. Waiting for my 4th knee operation soon, then I'll be ready to work in an office... I hope. At any rate, the only experience I have with MAXXforce is the company I worked for bought 20 brand new in 2011. Three of them had issues, turbo mostly, but one blew the engine at 35,000 miles and the driver was fired, come to find out it was the engine's issue. But! I've followed the path of the MAXXFORCE, and I believe 90% of the issues were when the trucks were brand new, like my employer's trucks. I think by 150,000 miles or so the bugs are worked put and the used MAXXFORCE trucks are a great value. Just an old timers 2 pennies opinion for what it's worth.
I drove a 2013 pro star with the Maxxforce, I haul containers over weight 91,000 lbs from Va to Ohio with no problems, I heard all sort of bad things but to sum it up, it was a good truck, I had my Def filter cleaned twice, how ever they are not made for short runs, I got a freightliner Century now, but I like the pro star as well, I never seen a truck that didn’t break down, great buy, stay on top of your PM’s
Malekia they're good on the long haul because they self generate themselves only at highway speeds if you doing short haul lots of time it doesn't give the truck enough run to generate
David, I am a new subscriber. I'm retired from the US Army, and I own a small construction company. I'm in the process of starting a new business. Either a Septic tank pumping business, a trucking business, or a hot shot business. I found your channel while doing research a few weeks ago. Making my way through your videos. Haven't watched one yet that I didn't like or didn't learn something. You seem like a good dude and very knowledgeable about business. I may be interested in hiring you for your business consulting service. Thank you for the GREAT content, sir!!!
I bought a 2014 N13 from a dealer in 2018 with. 200,000 aftermarket warranty and the engine warranty. I paid it off after 2 years. Still going strong. The warranty covered everything before expiration. I never haul over 33000 but, I run OTR. I'm grateful for my equipment. Wouldn't be employed today if it wasn't for that business decision. My truck had 378000 miles and now it has 603000. I changed all fluids and maintenance it well. Never deleted.
Love the videos, sir. I'm about to follow a similar path with starting my own trucking company and find the information you provide in all of your videos invaluable. I am going to drive myself for at least for 6 months after I complete my CDL training, start March 9th, and plan to have 2 trucks by the end of my 1st 12-18 months in the business. Appreciate the content. Keep it up!
I've been driving for a while and the only bad thing I've heard from drivers and close friends of mine that are mechanics at dealerships,is the DPF filters and I've seen the damage on the systems where they burn holes straight through the filter while hanging out at the shops. But,I've never heard any complaints on performance,routine maintenance nor fuel economy on the Maxx force engine from a mech nor driver.
Thanks for the content, I bought a 12” prostar and have been getting nothing but negative feedback, but it runs good so far, only has 480k hope it holds up to the work I’m gonna be using it for soon
Just so you know - International has had so many issues with the Maxxforce engines of the era that you are talking about that they settled a Class Action suit for $135 million and are now putting Cummins engines in their trucks.
One thing I learn it’s a good idea to buy the same make and model trucks because they tend to have the same issues and you gain experience and what goes wrong with them. And you can interchange parts to figure out the issues. Vs buying different trucks with different motors.
Well, the reality is that they do tend to give owners a lot of problems. It's useless to get into details because it doesn't change anything. My brother got one and it was a headache like we have never seen before. Took engine out, put in a Detroit, rewire and no more issues since. I'm sure that with all the bad rep most of them can't be bad, just that there are enough to get us all scared. But, if you buy it that cheap the way you calculated it is a very smart gamble. Why not. I would do it too, but it wouldn't be my starter truck. I would buy a few to extend a fleet. You might be lucky and pick good ones. You can also get one with the ISX, drop a new turbo and run it like you hate it. They all give you issues. Macks and ISX with the damn turbo issues; I remember C13s cracking blocks; The legendary N14s and VE D12s with the frequent injector harness bullshit....whatever. I just got a Volvo with a D12 this weekend. Guess what? There's gonna be a case with injector harnesses inside that truck if I don't find another option. F*ck it.
Thank you for sharing your business knowledge. Questions: How long did you study the industry before you bought you started your trucking buisness?; What is the name of your Trucking Business?; Are you in a partnership with anyone?; How long did it take for you to make a profit?; Were you in business before?; What made you want to get into this industry?
Amazing video I stumbled on! I'm new my dot mc brand new also. I purchased maxxforce 13. 2012 international prostar. I have loss if power issues but I'm hauling empties and struggling but surviving!! I purchased for 10k and I'm doing exactly what David is saying, I'm trying to ride this one out it ain't pretty but I gotta go through the storm to see clear weather!!
It's crazy that you started your fleet for under $30k... and made it work, and turned it into 5 trucks. How did you do that? And what made you so sure that it would work? Congratulations by the way. Keep up the good work.
Used to be salvage yards in Pennsylvania Maryland and New Jersey that's soldused truck parts at a good deal when I was in the truck in business some shops you couldn't Trust they do about $300 worth of work then charge about $2,000 pull out of the shop and about 2:30 in the morning in the middle of nowhere your truck shut down I learned to be my own mechanic
The company I drive for bought a whole bunch of trucks w/ Max Force Mtrs. new . They had 60 recalls on them before they were even tagged ! It took over six months to have them gone through , before they were put on the road ! I got one , what a 🐕 ! Thank God they got rid of em all pretty quick ! The company I work for just can't keep from messing with the trucks in Their fleet . Max Force mtrs. no exception ! I'm pretty sure that had a lot to do with those trucks performance ( but , it was still a pain to drive ... had to drop gears for the slightest grade )
Man, ur right abt having ur own mind and making ur own decisions abt anything... u should be working for international,cause u just changed my mind abt getting a pro star.....those pro star everybody talking shit abt got u sitting down there on the beach😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 one question tho, are ur trucks automatic or stick shift? Great info bro and Besafe 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
We had 15 2014 MaxForce trucks. Everyone of them had issues. They were gutless engines. Now The boss went to all ken's and pete's. Less probs with the ken's than pete's so far
On an added note, a MaxForce is the way to go if you are getting your feet wet in the business and the payment is cheap enough to not break the bank if the truck is down for repair
Many companies won't lease on a 2010-2014. My theory is run it until it gets expensive, then sell it to the junkyard. Save your money and buy something else.
I got a N13 in a new dump truck, that engine is now a A26 on the newer ones. International has been complained on in every arena of applications, but the price new or used makes them money makers.
We can listen to all the advices in world but at the end of the day we have to make our own decisions. Same thing with volvo you only hear negative things about them but company's and owner operators still buying them and making profits .
Respect bro love your work! But there is a reason prices are down and why ppl talk. I’m like you I need concrete reason of what ppl say but if so many hundreds of ppl saying it. Now cause you choose these trucks because they are cheap and start truck I’m with you all the way
I've seen those sleeper maxforce trucks that were 5 to 7 years old with 350k or less miles. My logic tells me they most likely were in the shop a lot to have that low of a mileage on them. On the other hand, I know people that modified them and they were reliable trucks. If you bought one and it crapped out with 300k miles, you might could put a remanned D60 in it and you could basically have an aerodynamic glider for half of what it'd cost on the market. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this?
@@eLm0Rr No Darryl I have a freightliner with a Mercedes-Benz engine, I was just piggy backing off the message, you can't always listen to the negatives & which I heard a lot of about the mb motors.
Peace I live in NYC. I have local routes thru out the Boros. The winters here can be brutal. Its unfortunate tht i haveseen alot of people go the Maxx force route and have to be towed out of a dock because there trck won't start. I have seen guys take a load, and flooring it and the trk barely hits 50 mph. I also have seen it work out as well, not all trcks have these issues. I personally couldn't risk it. I need a certain type of performance out of a vehicle.. I paid alot more and yes I have payments. I'm not a mechanic and don't want to spend alot of time and money dealing with them. Nt to say I don't go to mechanic. But I need to focus on customer satisfaction, and driver and vehicle conference. First trck 2007 international jst before the Maxx force, 2nd trck 2015 after the maxx force. Hope this was helpful. Peace!!!!
do you have personal contact for more info other than the website like a local office or an email can you contact William Alston w.alston30@yahoo.com or 4432554864
Another engine that makes a truck really cheap is Mercedes. You can get 2 of those or max force with 3-400k thousand miles for the same price you would pay for a same year Pete.
How are your trucks doing? Are y'all still running hard? I thought that this covi... situation was gonna be harder on the industry. It look like it relaxed after the initial fear. Question, when it is time to replace the truck's what year, make, and model will you choose? Auction or dealership purchase?
@@TruckingFromScratch Nope, dont get offended. I'm just a guy subscribed to your channel because although you're a four-wheeler; you are helping me with my decision making as I transition to my own authority. Typically, youtubers are appreciative of constructive advise on how to gain more support from viewers. Keep up the good work.
Just re watching your videos or should I say listening to them going down the road. The Maxx Force was a fraudulent design that’s why they don’t make it anymore and why the EPA Find them millions of dollars. That said, the best truck to buy is the one YOU can afford. Y’all don’t let people tell you not to buy a Ford, international, Volvo etc. buy what you can afford if it’s an older truck, do short runs, build up your money and buy something better. Start where you are with what you got.
About to pull the trigger on a 2016 Prostar with the N13 engine from International used truck dealer . Do you still have the truck, how Is it treating you?
Yes they are cheap and you will be sorry for that.i seen to many just go out and cost big bucks and lost loads .but I is your choice.i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Dave after watching this video, my heart really dropped. You're trying to give the frame work on how to make an educated decision and I thought this was some really bad advice. You didn't seem to heed any of the warning signs. That really bothered me. No engine is perfect but, you took a chance on the mother of all poorly designed engines. I honestly believe if you had been a driver with a lot of experience, you would have ran from this engine. I have my stories about this engine too. I'll count this video as a lemon. We're all entitled to produce a lemon every once in a while. Thanks.
I don’t think doing your own research, assessing the risk & the potential ROI to make your own decision vs. doing what everyone says is bad advice. Some people get so caught up in their feelings about maxxforce that they miss the that point. Thanks for engaging in the discussion!
Did you read the lawsuits from the EPA? Those trucks go for $6-7000 all day long at auction. Before you guys buy any truck get the ECM report. David your gut is wrong. They lied about the technology to the EPA and the fleets,that’s why every truck has the same problem. That said, as he stated look at YOUR operation and find a truck that fits the job. Why get a $150,000 truck when a $15 thousand dollar truck will get the job done. Just google Maxforce lawsuits and you’ll have real information rather than opinion. I know people who bought them, ran them until they broke and sold the parts for more than they paid for the truck, then just bought another one.
I took a risk on buying the trucks based on the assumption that not every truck had those problems & my trucks didn’t have those problems, so not sure what you’re saying I’m wrong about. I agree with you about checking the report; that why I mentioned it in the video as well. The bigger picture of this video is about the importance of having a method of making decisions, not really about maxxforce. As always, I appreciate your contribution to the conversation, Kevin!
David McGill You said not all max force trucks have the same problem, they do. It’s the technology for how the exhaust is treated. That’s the problem. So when international tried to get Cummins to make the engine, they said no way, it’s not going to work. The sticking point is they told the EPA that DPF was not needed to meet emissions standards,which was a lie. Now your reasoning does hold water in the sense that not every truck will be affected the same way just like not all smokers have the same health problems. I would not buy one for a heavy haul triple frame truck but what does that have to do with an operation like yours-absolutely nothing! I bought a single axle day cab 2000 sterling for $4,000 put another $4,000 in suspension rebuild and brakes. People were saying it was a waste of money. I made 3 to 5 thousand dollars a week with that truck and was home every day. I did amazon, mail and light intermodal. I did cars and box trucks, food trucks with a low flat bed. Here is my 2 cents on your operation going by your videos. Simple math here folks. Take the net profit from your 4 trucks. Add them up. Take the net profit from one $150,000 brand new whatever, how much is the difference? I would definitely take the multiple of 4 over one anytime. Here’s a comparison, check out. Unsafe at any speed by Ralf Nadir. He basically destroyed a brand of car based on his opinion of it. Not everyone wrecked that car but he said the car was a death trap buy it’s design flaw. This is what has happened to max force trucks while they all have the same problem, the technology, they don’t all fail because of it. So if I have a choice between a 5 year old max and a 15 year old peterbuilt I’m taking the max all day every day. 250,000 miles? If anybody has to think about that one, you might want to keep your day job.
Kevin Lamarr 👈🏽Greetings Kevin As the #1 (Pre-Owned) MaxxForce “Salesman” in the nation (2015-2018) while working for the largest commercial truck dealership network in North America (Rush Truck Centers), and a personal friend of Mr. McGill... I can assure you sir (with all due respect) you are flat out wrong. Aside from Mr McGill... I have helped several fleet owners & single truck owner operators build their core business around these engines with success. The key to buying a “MaxxForce 13” engine specifically is buying it “right”. What I mean by that is several key points of specific information which can only be accessed by an “International” dealership and these being analyzed by someone who has the keen eye to do so with the care required to do it diligently as if it we’re personal finances being placed at risk. There are simply too many flaws in the premises you’ve outlined to address them all. What I would like to ask you personally is (again - with all due respect) have you actually purchased a “MaxxForce 13” engine yourself...? I personally benefit from the privilege of selling Peterbilt, KW, Freightliner, Western Star, Mack, International, Hino, Sterling, Mercedes, Volvo etc. at a dealership that happen to encourage me doing so. I literally deal with the good/bad/in between with every brand of truck & engine type imaginable on a daily basis. The “MaxxForce 13” evolved out of calibration of “Caterpillar” (one of the most highly respected engine manufacturers in history) and “Navistar” (International’s parent company). It was brought to market with great expectations of being able to pass EPA emission standards without needing DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) not DPF (a Diesel Particulate Filter) as you’ve stated whether by unintentional error or outright deliberate misinformation. The many other disputable facts & figures you’ve outlined are irrelevant in regards to focus of the video. If in fact you have purchased one of these engine from a less reputable / professional salesperson who was not able to clearly articulate the best strategy to buying these engines and/or was not able to help you select one that set you up for the best possible chance at having a positive outcome I can certainly understand & do indeed sympathize with your frustration my friend. However the fact remains that there is definitely an intelligent approach to doing so. That approach is one which utilizes strong logic, verifiable research and quantifiable risk analysis. Consider this question (all who have the ability to read without preconceived prejudices)... During the entire time International as a corporation dealt with their “problem” MaxxForce 13 engine did any other engine manufacturers deal with zero problems related to DEF/DPF issues? The answer is a resounding NO. Next question... When the Cummins ISX engine was originally introduced to the market, did it go well? The answer is a definite NO again. Ponder this... Why is it that to this day I personally have a long list of clients who are still requesting these (undeleted) engines? I’ll tell you confidently. It’s due to a very well defined set of parameters that need to be sought after when buying them. The key is information and in fact, an amount of particular information which is actually far too extensive to summarize in total here. This response is not meant to antagonize your statement or perspective per say. I’m here solely as a solid witness to what Mr. McGill has experienced as well as many others. One might say, that investing the effort needed to enjoy the outcomes which David (or myself in fact) is describing herein is not worth their time. Well... I’m fact for those persons it’s likely not because the uncertain value of maximized profit potential may not be their sole “business framework” to an extent requiring them to overlook other people’s negative outlooks vs accepting what “the herd” perceives as true for what is seemingly more comfortable for them. This however, is exactly the point that is being made people... In life & business run your own race, based your uniquely particular pace, be sure it suits your desired taste, waste not time with mere innuendo nor the sublime, yet never move in haste and when you need greater insight to these or like matters “Call Me: Gerard” or come see me face to face... Bars anyone....? Lol... 💪🏽Massive respect to your hustle Mr. McGill 👊🏽👏🏽👌🏽✌🏽👍🏽
@@CallMeGerard I was personally with two companies ( Barrnun and Artex) that got rid of there maxforce trucks because of there problems. Artex had straight trucks that had the 9 liter engine.
I just pulled a 40,000+ container of pet food. I got 5.0 miles to the gallon and I was doing 65-70. Granted it was rush hour traffic as well. No pulling power at all. If you do get a maxxforce take it to an international mechanic and have him put it on the ECM to spec it right. I would only buy that engine if the truck was a steal. It will get you started.
@@Dan-yn3ze U believe his credentials as a Entrepreneur solidifies him as such. He has stated in previous videos that he doesnt have a CDL and has never driven. He has a good substantial point. I see alot of o/o with these trucks and they are decades in the game.
It don’t matter if he don’t drive them,the worse part is he got to fix them if they break down.... so I would rather drive them rather then come out my pocket to fix them when they break down..... ijs🤷🏽♂️
I've seen like 4 of your videos today. Not a single minute of fluff. Love this channel!
Agreed
Lol okay fluff ✌🏽
I like the fact you get right to the point & I don't have to wait around & listen to your jokes or nonsense. Thank you
Please please don’t stop making these videos as a person who’s been in the trucking business for five years is now in the process of getting my own authority I love getting knowledge from you thank you😇🙏🏽
I did the same thing bought maxxforce from international Indianapolis 15000 plus warranty i made that money back in a month
Bravo 👏 that’s the kinda story I like to hear.
Can I ask how much do you bought your truck ?
@@johannenoel333 15 000 plus. The warranty I think was 6000
@@timmorp thanks I’m looking to buy my truck this year
@@timmorp Is it a day cab or sleeper, and is it good for long hauling
Great job, and yes 2013 left stranded in flagstaff and about six other places!!!
I own a 2013 international prostar with Maxx Force engine on it. It's been 7 months since I've been doing East coast and west coast without any major problems and I haul 43.000 lbs going up to a lot of hills I mean big tall mountains and people still say to me that my truck is bad and I always say back to them my truck is good.
David,
I truly appreciate you breaking down so many different pieces of running a successful trucking business, both the good and bad. I am new to the trucking industry and I have watch all of your videos and they all are very helpful and informative. It’s hard to come across people that are in the industry that will break down info and give advice like this.
Great video and I always value your experience and opinion.
Due to an injury, I had to quit driving after 30 years. Waiting for my 4th knee operation soon, then I'll be ready to work in an office... I hope.
At any rate, the only experience I have with MAXXforce is the company I worked for bought 20 brand new in 2011. Three of them had issues, turbo mostly, but one blew the engine at 35,000 miles and the driver was fired, come to find out it was the engine's issue.
But! I've followed the path of the MAXXFORCE, and I believe 90% of the issues were when the trucks were brand new, like my employer's trucks. I think by 150,000 miles or so the bugs are worked put and the used MAXXFORCE trucks are a great value.
Just an old timers 2 pennies opinion for what it's worth.
I drove a 2013 pro star with the Maxxforce, I haul containers over weight 91,000 lbs from Va to Ohio with no problems, I heard all sort of bad things but to sum it up, it was a good truck, I had my Def filter cleaned twice, how ever they are not made for short runs, I got a freightliner Century now, but I like the pro star as well, I never seen a truck that didn’t break down, great buy, stay on top of your PM’s
Hey Calvin I’m in Richmond considering starting a trucking business. Can I ask some questions
Why aren’t they good for short hauls but good for long ? Confuses me
Malekia they're good on the long haul because they self generate themselves only at highway speeds if you doing short haul lots of time it doesn't give the truck enough run to generate
David, I am a new subscriber. I'm retired from the US Army, and I own a small construction company. I'm in the process of starting a new business. Either a Septic tank pumping business, a trucking business, or a hot shot business. I found your channel while doing research a few weeks ago. Making my way through your videos. Haven't watched one yet that I didn't like or didn't learn something. You seem like a good dude and very knowledgeable about business. I may be interested in hiring you for your business consulting service. Thank you for the GREAT content, sir!!!
Its been a year.. what did you decide to start?
I bought a 2014 N13 from a dealer in 2018 with. 200,000 aftermarket warranty and the engine warranty. I paid it off after 2 years. Still going strong. The warranty covered everything before expiration. I never haul over 33000 but, I run OTR. I'm grateful for my equipment. Wouldn't be employed today if it wasn't for that business decision. My truck had 378000 miles and now it has 603000. I changed all fluids and maintenance it well. Never deleted.
Love the videos, sir. I'm about to follow a similar path with starting my own trucking company and find the information you provide in all of your videos invaluable. I am going to drive myself for at least for 6 months after I complete my CDL training, start March 9th, and plan to have 2 trucks by the end of my 1st 12-18 months in the business. Appreciate the content. Keep it up!
I admire your initiative as trucking business.
I've been driving for a while and the only bad thing I've heard from drivers and close friends of mine that are mechanics at dealerships,is the DPF filters and I've seen the damage on the systems where they burn holes straight through the filter while hanging out at the shops.
But,I've never heard any complaints on performance,routine maintenance nor fuel economy on the Maxx force engine from a mech nor driver.
Thanks for the content, I bought a 12” prostar and have been getting nothing but negative feedback, but it runs good so far, only has 480k hope it holds up to the work I’m gonna be using it for soon
Just so you know - International has had so many issues with the Maxxforce engines of the era that you are talking about that they settled a Class Action suit for $135 million and are now putting Cummins engines in their trucks.
One thing I learn it’s a good idea to buy the same make and model trucks because they tend to have the same issues and you gain experience and what goes wrong with them. And you can interchange parts to figure out the issues. Vs buying different trucks with different motors.
Well, the reality is that they do tend to give owners a lot of problems.
It's useless to get into details because it doesn't change anything. My brother got one and it was a headache like we have never seen before.
Took engine out, put in a Detroit, rewire and no more issues since. I'm sure that with all the bad rep most of them can't be bad, just that there are enough to get us all scared.
But, if you buy it that cheap the way you calculated it is a very smart gamble. Why not.
I would do it too, but it wouldn't be my starter truck. I would buy a few to extend a fleet. You might be lucky and pick good ones.
You can also get one with the ISX, drop a new turbo and run it like you hate it.
They all give you issues. Macks and ISX with the damn turbo issues; I remember C13s cracking blocks; The legendary N14s and VE D12s with the frequent injector harness bullshit....whatever.
I just got a Volvo with a D12 this weekend. Guess what? There's gonna be a case with injector harnesses inside that truck if I don't find another option.
F*ck it.
The legendary N14 lol yes they where i loved mine 1999 international 9400 460HP 13spd.
Thank you for sharing your business knowledge. Questions: How long did you study the industry before you bought you started your trucking buisness?; What is the name of your Trucking Business?; Are you in a partnership with anyone?; How long did it take for you to make a profit?; Were you in business before?; What made you want to get into this industry?
Amazing video I stumbled on! I'm new my dot mc brand new also. I purchased maxxforce 13. 2012 international prostar. I have loss if power issues but I'm hauling empties and struggling but surviving!! I purchased for 10k and I'm doing exactly what David is saying, I'm trying to ride this one out it ain't pretty but I gotta go through the storm to see clear weather!!
Fuel injection pump
Just like anything. I had a 2003 s500 Benz. As long as you keep up the matainence you good. And when those things do happen just fix it.
It's crazy that you started your fleet for under $30k... and made it work, and turned it into 5 trucks. How did you do that? And what made you so sure that it would work? Congratulations by the way. Keep up the good work.
Watch the first videos, he broke down all the numbers in the videos. Great guy.
Used to be salvage yards in Pennsylvania Maryland and New Jersey that's soldused truck parts at a good deal when I was in the truck in business some shops you couldn't Trust they do about $300 worth of work then charge about $2,000 pull out of the shop and about 2:30 in the morning in the middle of nowhere your truck shut down I learned to be my own mechanic
Excellent video and insight into the decision making process. Thank you
The company I drive for bought a whole bunch of trucks w/ Max Force
Mtrs. new . They had 60 recalls on them before they were even tagged !
It took over six months to have them gone through , before they were put on the road ! I got one , what a 🐕 !
Thank God they got rid of em all pretty quick !
The company I work for just can't keep from messing with the trucks
in Their fleet . Max Force mtrs. no exception ! I'm pretty sure that had a lot to do with those trucks performance ( but , it was still a pain
to drive ... had to drop gears for the slightest grade )
Man, ur right abt having ur own mind and making ur own decisions abt anything... u should be working for international,cause u just changed my mind abt getting a pro star.....those pro star everybody talking shit abt got u sitting down there on the beach😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 one question tho, are ur trucks automatic or stick shift? Great info bro and Besafe 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Great video. Simple logical thinking. I see internationals every day on the roads. They’re making money
Thank you for all of this videos, valuable information for me as I am starting my new transportation business.
Dave,
Thanks for the outlook and invaluable information.
I appreciate all of the knowledge and experience you share.
Been following you for a while! Good stuff no fluff. Thanks
Extremely interesting video, very valuable content. Thank you!
This is motivation to keep on working on my dream and goals thanks man
We had 15 2014 MaxForce trucks. Everyone of them had issues. They were gutless engines. Now The boss went to all ken's and pete's. Less probs with the ken's than pete's so far
On an added note, a MaxForce is the way to go if you are getting your feet wet in the business and the payment is cheap enough to not break the bank if the truck is down for repair
Many companies won't lease on a 2010-2014. My theory is run it until it gets expensive, then sell it to the junkyard. Save your money and buy something else.
I got a N13 in a new dump truck, that engine is now a A26 on the newer ones. International has been complained on in every arena of applications, but the price new or used makes them money makers.
We can listen to all the advices in world but at the end of the day we have to make our own decisions. Same thing with volvo you only hear negative things about them but company's and owner operators still buying them and making profits .
Exactly the company i work for got a lot of Volvos and we pulled from 20k to 42k per load within the state
Respect bro love your work! But there is a reason prices are down and why ppl talk. I’m like you I need concrete reason of what ppl say but if so many hundreds of ppl saying it. Now cause you choose these trucks because they are cheap and start truck I’m with you all the way
Thank you!
I've seen those sleeper maxforce trucks that were 5 to 7 years old with 350k or less miles. My logic tells me they most likely were in the shop a lot to have that low of a mileage on them. On the other hand, I know people that modified them and they were reliable trucks. If you bought one and it crapped out with 300k miles, you might could put a remanned D60 in it and you could basically have an aerodynamic glider for half of what it'd cost on the market. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this?
This is some good content keep doing your thing man
Great video Sir! Very informative. Keep em rockin ✊🏿
They said same thing about 05 freightliner with mb engine had 700k mi. Now I have 1.3 on it..
K J you haven’t rebuilt it yet ?
@@eLm0Rr had an Inframe done & it runs great besides a couple oil leaks that are not bad.
@@eLm0Rr but if I would've listened to all the negatives I would have never gotten it..
Ah, great job man. I want to see you succeed. My name is Darryl, K J. Does your entire fleet has maxx engine?
@@eLm0Rr No Darryl I have a freightliner with a Mercedes-Benz engine, I was just piggy backing off the message, you can't always listen to the negatives & which I heard a lot of about the mb motors.
If I were getting into the business and purchasing my first truck I would probably lean heavily on purchase price.
Sanford & Son edition. Enjoy your vacation.
Yes butt Fred s old red pickup truck stayed running those maxx hunks dont..
Always good content. Wish you much more success
Thats a good video Dave
Appreciate your channel so much bro 💯
Peace
I live in NYC. I have local routes thru out the Boros. The winters here can be brutal. Its unfortunate tht i haveseen alot of people go the Maxx force route and have to be towed out of a dock because there trck won't start. I have seen guys take a load, and flooring it and the trk barely hits 50 mph.
I also have seen it work out as well, not all trcks have these issues.
I personally couldn't risk it. I need a certain type of performance out of a vehicle..
I paid alot more and yes I have payments. I'm not a mechanic and don't want to spend alot of time and money dealing with them. Nt to say I don't go to mechanic. But I need to focus on customer satisfaction, and driver and vehicle conference.
First trck 2007 international jst before the Maxx force, 2nd trck 2015 after the maxx force.
Hope this was helpful.
Peace!!!!
Best videos thanks!
Just like a hi point.
I’ve had several trucks with maxforce engines and never had an issue. The problem is they not good for driver that like to float gears.
Very good information
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Another engine that makes a truck really cheap is Mercedes. You can get 2 of those or max force with 3-400k thousand miles for the same price you would pay for a same year Pete.
From what I understand only dealership have the software to fix it so if you not near a dealer shop you out of luck .
Very informative as usual. 🙂
How are your trucks doing? Are y'all still running hard? I thought that this covi... situation was gonna be harder on the industry. It look like it relaxed after the initial fear. Question, when it is time to replace the truck's what year, make, and model will you choose? Auction or dealership purchase?
Hello David, I will like to speak with you for full lessons on how to start trucking business. I look forward to hear from you, thank you
Great Vid!!
Do I video on a break down of how to get your own authority/ start up a trucking company from the ground up. Insurance, and authority.
WHERE are you finding trucks at for this price??? And I’m only looking for box trucks.
Awesome Videos! I have been following you for a while and I commend your drive and efforts. What is your opinion on car hauling vs drop & hook?
Appreciate it bro👍🏽
My bad if I mispronounced your name
Hi Naim. Do you drive truck
Good knowledge br.....
Can you be any more humble? Jesus Christ dude, i just wanna give you a big fucking hug lol. You're the man!
Is it a good time to start a trucking business in canada
Do your trucks have DEF?
I’m in the process of buying my first truck is it a good idea to get a newer truck I’ve been looking at 2014 -2016 models
Who you getting the trucks from? Or who got them for cheap ??
I would like to know who are you buying your equipment from? $13k for a truck...what year? Cause I see a lot them up in Snyders web page.
I respect you just for buying An International --Believe me you were extremally luck-This truck is responsible for many Divorces
Hey Bro where did you buy your trucks
You have great info. Get to the point faster. Speak a little bit faster also, if I need to rewind or replay the video, I will.
Lol it’s funny that people tell you how to give them free information. It’s not easy for everyone to share their thoughts with the world.
@@TruckingFromScratch Nope, dont get offended. I'm just a guy subscribed to your channel because although you're a four-wheeler; you are helping me with my decision making as I transition to my own authority. Typically, youtubers are appreciative of constructive advise on how to gain more support from viewers. Keep up the good work.
Thought of the trucking companies ... how do you deal with this virus ?
Just re watching your videos or should I say listening to them going down the road. The Maxx Force was a fraudulent design that’s why they don’t make it anymore and why the EPA Find them millions of dollars. That said, the best truck to buy is the one YOU can afford. Y’all don’t let people tell you not to buy a Ford, international, Volvo etc. buy what you can afford if it’s an older truck, do short runs, build up your money and buy something better. Start where you are with what you got.
ive had a 2015 n13 for a year 100k no problems ,had 350k when I bought it
About to pull the trigger on a 2016 Prostar with the N13 engine from International used truck dealer . Do you still have the truck, how Is it treating you?
Abraham Jackson no problems
Yes they are cheap and you will be sorry for that.i seen to many just go out and cost big bucks and lost loads .but I is your choice.i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Dave after watching this video, my heart really dropped. You're trying to give the frame work on how to make an educated decision and I thought this was some really bad advice. You didn't seem to heed any of the warning signs. That really bothered me. No engine is perfect but, you took a chance on the mother of all poorly designed engines. I honestly believe if you had been a driver with a lot of experience, you would have ran from this engine. I have my stories about this engine too. I'll count this video as a lemon. We're all entitled to produce a lemon every once in a while. Thanks.
I don’t think doing your own research, assessing the risk & the potential ROI to make your own decision vs. doing what everyone says is bad advice. Some people get so caught up in their feelings about maxxforce that they miss the that point. Thanks for engaging in the discussion!
Are maxxforce engines really really that bad man???!!!
where can i find a good driver and good broker?
Did you read the lawsuits from the EPA?
Those trucks go for $6-7000 all day long at auction. Before you guys buy any truck get the ECM report. David your gut is wrong. They lied about the technology to the EPA and the fleets,that’s why every truck has the same problem. That said, as he stated look at YOUR operation and find a truck that fits the job. Why get a $150,000 truck when a $15 thousand dollar truck will get the job done. Just google Maxforce lawsuits and you’ll have real information rather than opinion. I know people who bought them, ran them until they broke and sold the parts for more than they paid for the truck, then just bought another one.
I took a risk on buying the trucks based on the assumption that not every truck had those problems & my trucks didn’t have those problems, so not sure what you’re saying I’m wrong about. I agree with you about checking the report; that why I mentioned it in the video as well. The bigger picture of this video is about the importance of having a method of making decisions, not really about maxxforce. As always, I appreciate your contribution to the conversation, Kevin!
David McGill
You said not all max force trucks have the same problem, they do. It’s the technology for how the exhaust is treated. That’s the problem. So when international tried to get Cummins to make the engine, they said no way, it’s not going to work. The sticking point is they told the EPA that DPF was not needed to meet emissions standards,which was a lie. Now your reasoning does hold water in the sense that not every truck will be affected the same way just like not all smokers have the same health problems. I would not buy one for a heavy haul triple frame truck but what does that have to do with an operation like yours-absolutely nothing! I bought a single axle day cab 2000 sterling for $4,000 put another $4,000 in suspension rebuild and brakes. People were saying it was a waste of money. I made 3 to 5 thousand dollars a week with that truck and was home every day. I did amazon, mail and light intermodal. I did cars and box trucks, food trucks with a low flat bed. Here is my 2 cents on your operation going by your videos. Simple math here folks. Take the net profit from your 4 trucks. Add them up. Take the net profit from one $150,000 brand new whatever, how much is the difference? I would definitely take the multiple of 4 over one anytime. Here’s a comparison, check out. Unsafe at any speed by Ralf Nadir. He basically destroyed a brand of car based on his opinion of it. Not everyone wrecked that car but he said the car was a death trap buy it’s design flaw. This is what has happened to max force trucks while they all have the same problem, the technology, they don’t all fail because of it. So if I have a choice between a 5 year old max and a 15 year old peterbuilt I’m taking the max all day every day. 250,000 miles? If anybody has to think about that one, you might want to keep your day job.
Kevin Lamarr 👈🏽Greetings Kevin
As the #1 (Pre-Owned) MaxxForce “Salesman” in the nation (2015-2018) while working for the largest commercial truck dealership network in North America (Rush Truck Centers), and a personal friend of Mr. McGill... I can assure you sir (with all due respect) you are flat out wrong.
Aside from Mr McGill... I have helped several fleet owners & single truck owner operators build their core business around these engines with success. The key to buying a “MaxxForce 13” engine specifically is buying it “right”. What I mean by that is several key points of specific information which can only be accessed by an “International” dealership and these being analyzed by someone who has the keen eye to do so with the care required to do it diligently as if it we’re personal finances being placed at risk.
There are simply too many flaws in the premises you’ve outlined to address them all. What I would like to ask you personally is (again - with all due respect) have you actually purchased a “MaxxForce 13” engine yourself...?
I personally benefit from the privilege of selling Peterbilt, KW, Freightliner, Western Star, Mack, International, Hino, Sterling, Mercedes, Volvo etc. at a dealership that happen to encourage me doing so. I literally deal with the good/bad/in between with every brand of truck & engine type imaginable on a daily basis.
The “MaxxForce 13” evolved out of calibration of “Caterpillar” (one of the most highly respected engine manufacturers in history) and “Navistar” (International’s parent company). It was brought to market with great expectations of being able to pass EPA emission standards without needing DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) not DPF (a Diesel Particulate Filter) as you’ve stated whether by unintentional error or outright deliberate misinformation. The many other disputable facts & figures you’ve outlined are irrelevant in regards to focus of the video.
If in fact you have purchased one of these engine from a less reputable / professional salesperson who was not able to clearly articulate the best strategy to buying these engines and/or was not able to help you select one that set you up for the best possible chance at having a positive outcome I can certainly understand & do indeed sympathize with your frustration my friend.
However the fact remains that there is definitely an intelligent approach to doing so. That approach is one which utilizes strong logic, verifiable research and quantifiable risk analysis.
Consider this question (all who have the ability to read without preconceived prejudices)... During the entire time International as a corporation dealt with their “problem” MaxxForce 13 engine did any other engine manufacturers deal with zero problems related to DEF/DPF issues? The answer is a resounding NO.
Next question... When the Cummins ISX engine was originally introduced to the market, did it go well? The answer is a definite NO again.
Ponder this... Why is it that to this day I personally have a long list of clients who are still requesting these (undeleted) engines? I’ll tell you confidently. It’s due to a very well defined set of parameters that need to be sought after when buying them. The key is information and in fact, an amount of particular information which is actually far too extensive to summarize in total here.
This response is not meant to antagonize your statement or perspective per say. I’m here solely as a solid witness to what Mr. McGill has experienced as well as many others. One might say, that investing the effort needed to enjoy the outcomes which David (or myself in fact) is describing herein is not worth their time.
Well... I’m fact for those persons it’s likely not because the uncertain value of maximized profit potential may not be their sole “business framework” to an extent requiring them to overlook other people’s negative outlooks vs accepting what “the herd” perceives as true for what is seemingly more comfortable for them.
This however, is exactly the point that is being made people...
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@@CallMeGerard I was personally with two companies ( Barrnun and Artex) that got rid of there maxforce trucks because of there problems. Artex had straight trucks that had the 9 liter engine.
@@ultimatem9178 use to work for a mail contractor that got rid of theirs as well. They were willing to sell them to the employees for just 3000.00
I understand your thought process but you should be able to get that truck for about $8-10k but no more than $12K. Just my two cents
What trucks don't break down as much?
Who was your mentor?
Does those maxxforce get 8+ mpg on 65-70 mph
I just pulled a 40,000+ container of pet food. I got 5.0 miles to the gallon and I was doing 65-70. Granted it was rush hour traffic as well. No pulling power at all. If you do get a maxxforce take it to an international mechanic and have him put it on the ECM to spec it right. I would only buy that engine if the truck was a steal. It will get you started.
I drive 65 mph and get 7.8 mpg
Men I hate trucking I think I'll gave up my CDL I want the business side
I'm going to be honest, you bought them because you don't drive them.
Owners and drivers don't think the same🤷🏾♀️
Any other real entrepreneur would drive it and still buy it again. Entrepreneurs aren’t bothered by little things that the plebs can’t handle.
@@Dan-yn3ze U believe his credentials as a Entrepreneur solidifies him as such. He has stated in previous videos that he doesnt have a CDL and has never driven. He has a good substantial point. I see alot of o/o with these trucks and they are decades in the game.
It don’t matter if he don’t drive them,the worse part is he got to fix them if they break down.... so I would rather drive them rather then come out my pocket to fix them when they break down..... ijs🤷🏽♂️
Did you mean to say you make 6k a week per truck?
crystal ball… PPI, RIGDIG, DYNO
U got mechanics who won't even work on maxxforce
You got lucky because my 2016 robbed me $40,000 in repairs in 1 year.
the class action suit for excessive mechanical break downs emissions issues . down equal late delivery. bad design
The lawsuit was pre 2014 without DEF fluid. Any N13 made in 2014 or later has DEF fluid and no lawsuit
Cannot hate on you you’re sitting on a beach making it happen have cdl learners looking for a trucking company
only 25 add per video bro....
Sounds to me like you have a tow truck business,
I thought this l guy was kinda smart.
You never went over what things are in a framework
If you buy a truck 5000