This Mass Widow Mine Planetary Rush Build Is Crazy Good (Ep #17)
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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Marc: "Guys, stop making Cyclones vs Protoss"
Also Marc: "Let's make Cyclones vs Protoss"
And Protoss wins both times!
There's a crazy new Terran unit called the Siege Tank, I think it might help to make two or three.
@@soulofshukaku shit, would hellons work? Since there was a tech lab on the factory, he could crank out 2 at a time, right?
@@AC3handle you need a reactor to build 2 units at once on a factory
I thought the golden rule was to never make cyclones against Protoss?
ikr why didnt he just make 2 or at least 1 siege tank and put it a little further in the back, you cant blink onto that if theres scvs in the mix too
(Marc/ UThermal lps read as i will also recommend a strat for this on top of my comment)
Yeah kinda woundered as well, also thought Tanks would hold that easier. But iam in Generell surprised by how much he seems to dislike Tanks, especially in this Challange.
Bcs (now to my recommendation) I think Tanks should be "The Unit" to pair with a planetary rush. The cool thing about a Planetary is that you can get a defensive position in the natural of your opponent, but it cant move to push. Tanks however have such a high range that they could in theory be positioned rather close to the Planetary and stil would have enough range to presure the Main or natural from the safe position of the planetary. This way you could do dmg in the enemy Base from a defensiv position that protects the Tanky with the PLanetary.
I would think that making an opening that can help to secure getting down the PF like Marc always does with Hellions/ Cyclones/ Reapers / W/E and then add 1 to 3 tanks together with 1 starport unit, depending on which units where used before a Reaven for its al around good use, oir viking if facing something like Pheonix/ Void ray/ Reaven. If Marc thinks its possible to make the first atack with Tanks might be even better.
But all in al shouldnt it be good to have a defensiv posiiton with the PF, 1-3 tanks to presure the Main base from the safe zone of the Pf while getting vision by 1 air unit. then mabye even add 1 or 2 Rocket Towers if the enemy goes Air units to help up with the presure and expand your eco behind this presure.
UThermal kinda did this playstyle ONCE in one game a few episodes ago against a Protoss, talked about how dominant it should be, completly crushed him (in the most strategic dominant game we have seen imo) and then never played this style again. Ofc its not as flashy of a style as constant Reaper micro, but it doesnt need to be. Also if you can win with less micro in a more dominant fashion it would show that the strat is just good or not.
I Would like you experimenting with that idear a bit. Bcs oftne after you got the PF down it loses its value with stuff like Reapers. This way you could use the position to still deal dmg with Tanks from its safety zone.
GL HF, like this series (but pls less reapoers and more strategic pushy with stuff like tanks. Dont see the synergy in an all in that is based around mobilitys like reapers paired with stationary defense like a PF)
Will be looking forward to what Build orders you will invent around this idear
Why didn’t you make tanks in that first game… just a couple early on would of completely changed how that first fight went.
@@zeratultemplar6604 Exactly what I was thinking?
Everyone watching this game: "WHY AREN'T YOU MAKING ANY TANKS!??"
"Stalkers counter cyclones, I told you guys!"
~Continues to make cyclones against mass stalkers~
Siege tank: am I a joke to you?
Or mines since they probaly dont have detection.
In last video Uthermal said: ' dont make cyclones against protoss it's very bad.' Next video he masses cyclones against blink stalkers:)
I love Marc's attitude, he doesn't trash talk, he doesn't condescend, he acknowledges skill, he gives the opponent benefit of doubt when it's a skill vs luck moment. Such a great contrast to so many attitudes these days.
The Grand Finale should be a DOUBLE PF rush
Ohh man lol
Yes
Not sure that would be a rush by that time.
Not enough minerals
This is the best and worst suggestion in this series 😂
marc you silly goose, this isn't cyclones only xD
That SCV repairing Cyclone vs Phoenix + PF + Turret attack on his natural was proper insane though, love it!!
uThermal playing as protoss: cyclones are awful versus protoss
uThermal playing as terran: let's build some cyclons
a couple of days ago I restarted sc2 after a very long time again, mostly because I watched your videos. I jumped straight into ranked games lost 5 games in a row, and can now even more appreciate how difficult this game actually is. It's very hard to comprehend everything that's happening, and watching you makes this look fairly easy. But BOY oh BOY is this a multitasking freakshow. wow. keep it up
A long time ago, I got as far as becoming Gold in SC2 Ladder.
But now, it is impossible to beat the Campaigns in hard difficulty. When I tried the ladder, I couldn't keep up with all the things going on. I agree with you, watching people playing cool like Uthermal makes it seem easy, but it is not! Truly... Multitask-gods.
Yeah I can totally empathise with this. SC2 is such a hard game to play lol. At this point I just go into the games expecting to lose, and if I get a win its just a delight.
Just roach rush nonstop to boost morale like a chad
No siege tank on just defending against almost all ground? Madness I tell you.
a loss, but a deserved one. why no siege tanks?
(in reference to game 1) Maybe it is part of the rules (i.e. you are not allowed), but I found myself wanting to see you make a couple tanks to help when he started coming to your base).
He says a lot that tanks are bad early, but that doesn't stop my opponents from not massing them 🤪
I loved the cyclone mine to gm series but i think this one is my new favorite. Just absolute comedy when you drop a pf in someone’s base haha. Always appreciate the content and hope you’re doing well man!
I started SC2 again after a long hiatus because you make the game so much fun. I realize how extremely difficult the game is to play but its just so fun as well. I expect to lose most of my games, and when I do win its just delightful. I dont think Im going to practice skills just to get good at the game, maybe just play a few games here and there, but its super fun.
why not make a few tanks with the cyclones? you knew he was going heavy stalkers and had all the time in the world lol
Tanks die to blink and he knew he was famous for being aggressive. He would have lost several minutes earlier if he got pushed.
He should've made a PF on his natural instead of an orbital.
@@JakesFavorites he would've lost anyways if they pushed lol at least the tanks might scare them away better not if they blinked in at basically any point they would've won lol could've made a bunker too. making just cyclones was stupid
@@themosthighvaluemaninthega9048 yeah was thinking that after too.
Great episode! Thanks for the content. I've spent this whole weekend watching old videos ;-D
You know man, sometimes you have a shit day and you just wanna get home and have a beer, have a smoke and listen to Uthermal cast a game as he plays it. If you're ever sitting there having a shitty day yourself, just remember that your content brings happiness and joy to others.
Besides, when you don't have more content for me I just go pay dragon to do dumb shit. Last time I paid him to do an scv drop on his opponent.
During game 1 I was yelling at him to build at least 1 tank on the high ground, which would have helped a lot in shutting down the stalkers.
SHould've made his natural into a PF.
"Stalkers counter my cyclones." :keeps building cyclones: I'm not going to say you're wrong, but why would you keep doing that?
It takes me using 150% of my brain power and dripping sweat on the keyboard just to remember to create units while making scv's and expanding once. Then there's uthermal providing commentary on his own game while doing the riskiest and most complex cheese strats on earth and winning most of his games with it.
Brother Marc, no man there is a thing called "Siege Tank" very handy for base protection against stalkers :) 10:00
One question, if you had made 2-3 siege tanks could you have held the stalkers in first game?
I’m just not sure mass cyclones is viable. Loved the video tho!
uthermal tells us: dont make cyclones against protoss! and still makes cyclones against protoss so ironic haha
those opponents were very good. super intense games! couldnt blink an eye.
i don't know if that's even possible but maybe a late 2nd planetary rush into the main could caught them off guard for a crazy timing attack when the games go macro xD
On that first map, with that slow area in the middle, I have sometimes wondered whether you could put a couple of tanks and marines on one side and some vision and then just control that area. Maybe prevent your opponent from moving across the map.
Repairing the cyclone while it got lifted was legendary
I was happy in game one that planetary finished, and was protected by turrets.
Kudos to protoss for not becoming demoralized and dropping out of the game.
I wonder if another planetary and a tank would have held a little better against the protoss counter attack? That's 2 cents worth of Silver Leage wisdom if you want it.
I loved salt jokes around @21:30 mark, had this Monty Python flavour to me. I'd say even more - salt works good with cheese.
Loved those widow mines living rent free in the opponent's base for the whole of game 2! :))
Don't worry about the loses Thermy. It just looked like you were a bit shaken by first match with Spatz, and that is why you made more errors. Anyway amazing games, especially first one, where you managed to do very well even though he did counter-build.
that's a great way of looking at it, yeah, maybe if he didn't put himself under so much pressure, I also felt he was playing a bit shaky in the 2nd and 3rd games
I like how you cast your lost games with the same energy as your won games. It's a string of "this is really good" comments.
Great way to do game commentary.
That was a close third game. Good job man!
Planetary Penguin sounds great because a planetary kinda looks like a penguin too
at around the 8:30 mark, consider spaming lock on and then scanning so he can't blink out of vision before losing the stalker(s)
One factory with non stop mines did so much damage! Awesome build and game play.
@Marc: If you made your natural a Planetary too, you would have won or atleast kept him away long enough to get ahead more ;(
Like you knew he would come for you at some point and normally plan way ahead for anything but it seems you were too focused on your economic flow although he couldnt even expand anyways.
Come on Marc! Don’t forget your tanks vs stalkers!
Here's a challenge thats probably genuinely impossible, Probe Rush to grandmaster. First twelve probes need to leave the base before 1 minute and attack the enemy.
Would love to see:
1) Planetary Rush into mass Banshees, Battlecruisers
2) Planetary Rush into Thors/Thor Drop
3) DOUBLE PLANETARY RUSH!
4) And also E-bay block into a planetary rush, if that's possible
I'm very confused, in game one, whx not make 2 tanks against this amoung of stalkers? It would have been much better than 2 more cyclones and about as costly no?
Good games! It's clear that people (at least at this high elo) are better equipped to handle it. 👍
I'm a simple man. I see Uthermal Kontent,.I click Uthermal Kontent, I like Uthermal Kontent :)
Content* :)
It’s always a great time to watch UThermal!
g1 seemed like a golden opportunity to follow-up with a cheeky hidden expo (at 6 o clock for example) to sell the idea you're all in on 1 base. Also, Cyclones? Widow Mines could potentially help to defend and later drop. Sorry for 'back seat gaming' but it I just felt so heartbroken after that successfully PF plant on the nat
Since you've realized his blink you could just stop cyclones and make tanks and vikings, that would be a move!
Please do a mass window mine to GM challenge :)
Perhaps only window mines, medivacs, and after the ~6 min mark you can start making other units like marines to finish the job.
I think the official "endgame" (final episode) of any series should be to try it out in an ESL :)
I really hope that someone does a counter PF rush in one of these.
Amazing content as always!
I don't know if it counts as PF Rush, but would be amazing flying 2-3 CCs do make PF all at once.
Probably a early macro using your 5cc setup? It's even possible? Probably not, but if it is, only you can figure that out!
Also a tip: don't use Cyclones against Protoss. My favorite youtuber always says that.
ive watched this video 69 times already and can safely say its a certified uthermal classic
after watching these games i want a siege tank + viking only challenge (of course allowing the first couple reapers/marines for defense)
I do not understand why to make cyclones, if in your words they are bad against stalkers.
It feels a bit bad watching the planetary fail because of cyclones. We already had cyclone/widowmines to GM and it was great, but it would be cool to see Marks best potential using planetary. I think it surprised us a great deal how well he is doing and it somewhat ackes my heart to watch it fail because of cyclones (not that is not a good strategy but he could be making other better units as well to support them, or even just transisioning to bio)
Seriously Thermy, if you can find a way to do a DOUBLE PF rush, we need to see it, no matter how economic and defensive the opening must be. MAKE. IT. HAPPEN.
Widow mines versus phoenixes so satisfying
I wonder what the first game would have looked like if the natural expand was also a planetary
Still enjoy this episode definitely 👍
I was wondering if you would mine from the opponent's natural in the 1st game.
The last match was incredible
incredible as always! Kind of a crazy question but would it been good to have made a planetary in your natural before that final stalker push? I feel like that could have made the difference in that battle.
As always so so so good Thermy, much love
Better do planetary in main, with a bunker behind the mineral line, true Florencio style!
this challenge just keeps on delivering.
I see you got some coop mutation bounties. Would love for you to make some videos playing coop. That mode is a ton of fun because the mutations are always different
u silly goose
Double planetary rush should be impossible.. but if someone could pull it off it’d be you aha
Should have made that second CC a PF in the first game.
cannon rush again after this brother. there needs to be salt in at least one current series haha. also would tanks have been a better deterrent for the stalkers instead of mass cyclone?
Why you didnt make siege tanks on 6:58 when you have realised its blink? And you have two factories with techlab and its 2 bases against 1? (as i am gold league myself, i dont understand you here). Great games as always :)
what if you just built the pf in their third or next to the natural? seems like it could be enough of a distraction to expand behind it
Hard games, you'll come back from this.
I'm curious in game one why you didn't start mining from HIS natural.
Recently started playing some matches again and maaaan this game is pretty unforgiving to taking a lot of time off haha 😅 found myself having to take wayyy too long to reset hot keys and move my units correctly. Also forgetting dumb things like saturating gases on base like 5 and up and it screwed me in my last match
why dont swich tanks plus turrets? keeping few cyclons vs fenixes gives time and possibility to expand
I want a challenge that forces you to use tanks. Tank drops to GM gogogo
Tank drops to GM would be dope
Actually think the first game could have been won.
With different units. or changing away from just making one type.
And that is insane considering how good of a player it was against.
In the first game, once you had the successful contain and you knew mass stalker was the only real threat, why not make your natural a planetary fortress and remove any chance of him winning?
I thought the same thing
He says every video to never make cyclones against protoss and then makes mass cyclones against his highest level protoss opponent, gets wrekt
Curious why you didn't make tanks in game 1 instead of more cyclones from the 2 factories?
A single tank at your main ramp and the first game is an easy win.
imagine game 1 if you'd made your original nat into a planetary, I bet you should have held the low ground and been 2 base vs 1
That second game was sick!
I think if you held your natural you win that first game.
Thanks Marc!!! Your content always delivers. 🖤
In game one why didn't you stop making cyclones and make a tank or 2 to keep the stalkers back and poke at them with the cyclones?
Is there a reason why you didn't make tank on the first game? After the first push a tank on the high ground would have helped so much with the defense after. Cyclone is just not good when the opponent goes mass stalker
SCVs should have the 60 hp like in sc1 since they don't regenerate hp or shield in my opinion.
I don't understand why he kept building cyclones instead of siege tanks in the first game. Siege tanks would've countered the stalkers easily.
In the first game the 2nd CC in the natural should have been a PF.
Widowmines everywhere.. a nightmare
You're the one that said Never build a cyclone against a protos .... but you're the one that doing it.
Why didn't he make siege tanks to counter the stalkers in the first game? Even just a few...
Imagine marc have like 5 siege tanks
I'm just a diamond scrub. But why not transition into mass marauders g1? Not like that'd be a huge cost, right?
If you have enough libs they do good damage against air :D I one-shotted 30 mutas yesterday
Why no tanks in the first game?
Would have been an easier hold.
In the first game all he needed is two tanks sieged in the high ground. Am I wrong?
Planetary. Still 🔥 in 2024.
Painful to watch no tanks made. That would have 100% allowed you to hold this
"you guys need to stop making cyclones against Protoss" he says. Then he makes mass cyclones against blink stalkers. I 'm not any good at SC2, but couldn't you have stransitioned to something else, at least in part?
why cyclone against protoss tho? couldn't switch to tank marine?
My friends baby looks just like you, have you been to France within the past year and a half? xD
In the first game, why not build at least a couple of tanks?
Hello from Vancouver Island Uthermal Marc, if my pc never shit the bed I'd be gaming too!