Just found a #9, cleaned and put it back together. I didn't tear it down completely but my issue is: free spool tensioner knob doesn't seem to do much of anything until the very last say 1/16th of a turn when it's completely seated. Same with drag star, last bit of tightening I can get out of it before it becomes effective, which it is, just seems to have lost the fine tune abilities. Is this a characteristic of the real? Do you have any thoughts? Thanks for the content 👍
Being a garage sale junkie, i saw a "junker" completely covered in dirt an dust. scrapedaway the dust and was a penn 9. got it for $5 including 1960's original braided line still on it. plastic level wind gear stripped since nothing moved. watched your vid. took 5 hrs to take down, scrub, grease an oil an reassemble. You did excellent job an showed all needed for me to clean it up an she works beautifully!! Great job!!
Excellent! Half the fun is doing it yourself..... the other half is using it to catch fish! Congrats on sticking with it and getting it done! I did a Penn Senator 9/0 restoration that I'll post within the next month or so .... but nothing as bad as yours sounded.
Watching this video taught me that I need to find someone local that can work on the used reels that my son talked me into buying this weekend. There were 4 penn 209 and a penn 9 on Marketplace with decent rods.
Thanks for checking out the video! I totally understand.... sometimes, it can seem a bit overwhelming, but I believe, if you're a little mechanically inclined and have the free time, you can do it yourself with the help of this video. However, there's no shame in having someone else do it.... they're nice reels that should stay in circulation. Spread the word about the channel.
Thanks for the Great video! It took me all day yesterday and watching your video a couple times but I completely tore down, cleaned, and rebuilt my Penn 9. I am very impressed with the quality and simplicity of the reel, mine is a 30N-9 which I believe is one of the first issues made around 1955 or so. It really does look bulletproof. I can't wait to head out to a peer somewhere to try it out!
Thanks for watching. Glad to hear the video helped you navigate the service. The service time will get easier each time you do it. Spreading the word about the channel.
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Thanks for checking out the video. Probably the tension (or lack thereof) you've applied using your star drag. If that's not the issue, check that your drag stack is seated properly, and not partially out of the gear.
Thanks for checking out the video! I don't remember.... probably. Check the schematics for your specific reel to be on the safe side. For screwdrivers, try to make sure it can fill up at least 4/5 of the screw head should suffice.
Hi well I down loaded the scamatics for my reel and I could not find the info I was looking for I think I am going to get a presison screw driver kit thanks
Need to get my man a cold drink. Suffering from showbiz camera dry throat. Corrosion X wiped and Q-Tipped on all the interior parts, screws, shafts, spools, springs, ,all of it. Also makes the Bakelite brilliant. The Key bit is the dog and the leaf spring on a Peer 9, that and lapping the drag washers with 2000 grit. No Miniscule lock ring on my spool gear of my recent junkyard find. It's locked with steaked nuts and disassembles with wrenches on each end,,if one needs to. Original spool I think?. It was HEAVILY pitted The Lathe fixed that. Peeled about 2 grams off the spool bell ends. Finished the plated tin alloy to a very nice brilliance with 2000 grit again along with some rouge and rag. It spins nice and quick now. Shaft balancer said,,"good to go"!!. Don't think it was ever opened, but could be wrong. Thanks for the reassembly TSG!.
Lol, nope... Sadly, it's always that way... you know what they say, embrace your quirks. But the camera does have a way of magnifying the pressure. 🤷🏽♂️ Your lathe and buff work is out of my league.... I'm still stuck in steel wool mode. For some reason, I prefer grease on the bakelite and corossionx on graphite (a la TLD25).... old habits die hard. Thanks for watching and the tips!
@@TSGReelService No Problem, and thank you. Yes, steel wool is life. As a side note,,once you lap the drag washers to being parallel flat like they should have been from the factory, you can set that one 'tabbed" drag washer in the middle of the stack,,and it wont want to fall out so easy and 'jam' the reel. The tab slots in that gear are cut top to ALMOST bottom inside that gear itself. In theory,,it could be put at the bottom of the stack if the fiber/rubber friction washer is thick enough that is placed first, in the bottom of the gear. Some fisherfools are REAL diehards, they use Pam Cooking Spray on the Bakelite and the whole loaded reel,,while fishing with it. Lol. The kind of kooky stuff that goes on here in the Pacific Northwest/Wild Wild West. Corrosion X on all for the biMetallic corrosion inhibit, then the gear train gets Cals Purple grease. I am a private aircraft mechanic when needed,, and have used Corrosion X on aircraft parts that see 200+ mph for hours,,in battering rain and weather,,and it still stays in place. Nasa stuff. Take care TSG, Happy Holidays .
Thanks and likewise! My theory on the "bowed" washers is that they would get compressed flat as the star increases drag. Of course, I'm not an engineer, so it's more of a semi-logical speculation and I don't really have a way of proving it. But, I get your point on the risk of them slipping out of place. The Pam spray is a good one... whatever works for them, right? Stay safe.
@@TSGReelService Yes sir. Your more of an engineer than you think, especially doing this kind of work. As you showed us,, only 1 thin bowed spring tension washer,, it's on the top of the stack,,the rest should be CNC parallel ground flat, but Penn didn't want to do that, or they figured it wouldn't be as important. They punched the washers out on a press machine, which leaves one side dead flat and one side slightly rounded due to the punch/press procedure. Once those heavy washers are "fixed", the drag has more capability and is much smoother. If needed I reset that bowed spring washer with a same radius piece of round stock, hammer and a slight bit of heat, or find a new one. ALWAYS, ALWAYS back that drag wheel off loose when parking the reel for a bit or for storage, on every reel, especially the granpa stuff.
Thanks for checking out the video. Make a video of the problem you're having and post it on your channel, and respond to this thread with "DONE" and I'll check it out and get back to you. Otherwise, feel free to email me at tsgreelservice@gmail.com for personalized help.
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I cleaned multiple reels for my boss, and this reel happened to be one of them. I followed this video to the T! The reel handle is spinning freely in both directions.. do you know why and if it’s supposed to do that?
2nd step: How about letting us know...what's that special wrench (Probably sold by Penn) that you need to get in order to unscrew the main attachement screwhead??? Or just mangle it with a pair pliers?
I've only one question of this reel. I bought one years ago and i have tried every suggestion regarding how it seems to nest when I cast. could you give me some idea of how to get this right?
Hi there, I have a mint Penn Peer 109, but it's the model with direct drive (handle turns with free spool) and smacks my knuckles. Do you know if I have put parts from the 9 in it, to give me true free spool? thanks
Thanks for watching! I doubt you'll be able to modify the direct drive to a "free spool" reel. I've never tried this, but maybe you can stick the entire right of a 9 (gears and all) in there and see if it works. Or, just use the 9 to fish, instead of as a parts reel.
Thanks Drew. Looks like your anti-reverse isn't engaging. Could be the dog, the spring or your ratchet. Use this video to open your reel up and check to make sure something is missing or damaged. Without that dog engaging, you won't have any drag, vis a vis, no resistance, hence, no drag. If you're uncomfortable doing it yourself, try your local repair shop. Hope this helps.
@@TSGReelService thanks for the feedback! I ordered and installed a new leaf spring and this solved the issue. I appreciate the online troubleshooting and information!!
I have a question, I have this exact reel, mine has a metal spool though and a different color bakelite. Is there a way to determine how old mine is? Thank you so much for the video, this reel is in terrible shape but I'm using your video to get it back to fighting condition!
Thanks for checking out the video! Hope you get it back up and running. In general, yes.... different colors were used throughout the years. Try alantani.com as a starting source for dating the reel.
@@TSGReelService awesome, thank so much for the response! I meant to ask this too but forgot. My level wind does not work; it's not that the pawl is broken, but the track you might call it that the guide rides back and forth on does not move at all. I've just got the right side disassembled, and I can't see a reason as to why it's not engaging while I reel it in. Any thoughts?
Upon further inspection, it looks like to me at least, that the secondary gear that turns the worm on the left side plate, has a round hole in it... Should it be slotted to fit the end of the worm? I can see that one side of the worm is slotted to fit so I'm thinking maybe it (the gear) got rounded off some how?
@@TSGReelService LOL, okay I think I figured out what happened. I just got this real a few weeks ago it was given to me with like a 50-year-old rod as well, and as long as I've had it the level wine has not worked the worm has never spun. I think what happened is somebody took it apart a long time ago and they flipped the worm gear around so that the slotted end didn't go in the right side so it didn't engage The gear it fits into possibly
@@AEFarnam yes, that sounds right. If the keyed portion of the worm gear (brass) is worn or rounded off, check the the slotted area on the worm also to make sure it's okay. When ordering parts for this reel, I suggest picking up a spare idler gear, worm and pawl, just in case.
Thanks for checking out the video. It sounds like you may have some frozen or stuck parts inside, so the pinion is not recessing enough for you to go into freespool.... or possibly an issue with the drag stack. Try using the video to service your reel. If you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, take it to your local repair shop. Hope that helps.
Hey TSG. Working on my Penn 210 using this guide. I have a good amount of play in the small gear that flat side slots onto the spool shaft and is held on with the little ring. Doesn't spin freely but probably about more than a year tooth's worth of play. Is this normal/OK or should I be looking to replace that gear so it seats tight? Thanks
Thanks for checking out the video. Part 66 naturally has a little play in it. I would do three things: 1) turn the gear while it's on the spindle.... if it turns more than a quarter turn, replace it. 2) remove it and check the inner portion for significant rounding. Change it if it's significant. 3) order a back up (plus an idler gear), just in case.
Just found a #9, cleaned and put it back together. I didn't tear it down completely but my issue is: free spool tensioner knob doesn't seem to do much of anything until the very last say 1/16th of a turn when it's completely seated. Same with drag star, last bit of tightening I can get out of it before it becomes effective, which it is, just seems to have lost the fine tune abilities. Is this a characteristic of the real? Do you have any thoughts? Thanks for the content 👍
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Just found a #9, cleaned and put it back together. I didn't tear it down completely but my issue is: free spool tensioner knob doesn't seem to do much of anything until the very last say 1/16th of a turn when it's completely seated. Same with drag star, last bit of tightening I can get out of it before it becomes effective, which it is, just seems to have lost the fine tune abilities. Is this a characteristic of the real? Do you have any thoughts? Thanks for the content 👍
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Thank you sir.
You're welcome and thanks for watching! Spread the word about the channel.
Being a garage sale junkie, i saw a "junker" completely covered in dirt an dust. scrapedaway the dust and was a penn 9. got it for $5 including 1960's original braided line still on it. plastic level wind gear stripped since nothing moved. watched your vid. took 5 hrs to take down, scrub, grease an oil an reassemble. You did excellent job an showed all needed for me to clean it up an she works beautifully!! Great job!!
Excellent! Half the fun is doing it yourself..... the other half is using it to catch fish! Congrats on sticking with it and getting it done! I did a Penn Senator 9/0 restoration that I'll post within the next month or so .... but nothing as bad as yours sounded.
This video was a huge help. I had to replace the crank side plate on mine because it cracked. I would have been lost without this video. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! Happy to hear it helped you get the reel back up and running. Spread the word about the channel.
Watching this video taught me that I need to find someone local that can work on the used reels that my son talked me into buying this weekend. There were 4 penn 209 and a penn 9 on Marketplace with decent rods.
Thanks for checking out the video! I totally understand.... sometimes, it can seem a bit overwhelming, but I believe, if you're a little mechanically inclined and have the free time, you can do it yourself with the help of this video. However, there's no shame in having someone else do it.... they're nice reels that should stay in circulation. Spread the word about the channel.
Tell me about it.
Just bout one a 209 and it don't really work properly
Outstanding video! New subscriber here you have given me the courage to restore my peerless no.9 Thank you so much and keep up the great work:)
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Thanks for the Great video!
It took me all day yesterday and watching your video a couple times but I completely tore down, cleaned, and rebuilt my Penn 9. I am very impressed with the quality and simplicity of the reel, mine is a 30N-9 which I believe is one of the first issues made around 1955 or so. It really does look bulletproof. I can't wait to head out to a peer somewhere to try it out!
Thanks for watching. Glad to hear the video helped you navigate the service. The service time will get easier each time you do it. Spreading the word about the channel.
Sorry to be offtopic but does any of you know of a way to get back into an instagram account..?
I was dumb forgot the password. I would love any help you can offer me!
Great Video on Everything to Disassemble to putting it all Back Together Thanks...
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thanks for sharing a great video !!!!
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Thank you very much!
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Very good! Thanks!
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Great Video ,very good , thanks
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Nice job
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I have the Penn 9 m casting reel thanks
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Thanks. I completed the project and all works well except the spool will spin backwards when it's in gear. Where do I look? Thanks.
Thanks for checking out the video. Probably the tension (or lack thereof) you've applied using your star drag. If that's not the issue, check that your drag stack is seated properly, and not partially out of the gear.
My plastic worm transer gear broke do you know where i can get a replacement? 2:41
Thanks for checking out the video. You can try mysticparts or eBay.
Hi is the 9 m the same size screw's as the 109 m don't know what size screw driver i need thanks great video
Thanks for checking out the video! I don't remember.... probably. Check the schematics for your specific reel to be on the safe side. For screwdrivers, try to make sure it can fill up at least 4/5 of the screw head should suffice.
Ok thanks great video 🐟
Hi well I down loaded the scamatics for my reel and I could not find the info I was looking for I think I am going to get a presison screw driver kit thanks
Do those plastic gears tend to break? Can you replacements? I see they still make pretty the same reel.
Need to get my man a cold drink. Suffering from showbiz camera dry throat. Corrosion X wiped and Q-Tipped on all the interior parts, screws, shafts, spools, springs, ,all of it. Also makes the Bakelite brilliant. The Key bit is the dog and the leaf spring on a Peer 9, that and lapping the drag washers with 2000 grit. No Miniscule lock ring on my spool gear of my recent junkyard find. It's locked with steaked nuts and disassembles with wrenches on each end,,if one needs to. Original spool I think?. It was HEAVILY pitted The Lathe fixed that. Peeled about 2 grams off the spool bell ends. Finished the plated tin alloy to a very nice brilliance with 2000 grit again along with some rouge and rag. It spins nice and quick now. Shaft balancer said,,"good to go"!!. Don't think it was ever opened, but could be wrong. Thanks for the reassembly TSG!.
Lol, nope... Sadly, it's always that way... you know what they say, embrace your quirks. But the camera does have a way of magnifying the pressure. 🤷🏽♂️ Your lathe and buff work is out of my league.... I'm still stuck in steel wool mode. For some reason, I prefer grease on the bakelite and corossionx on graphite (a la TLD25).... old habits die hard. Thanks for watching and the tips!
@@TSGReelService No Problem, and thank you. Yes, steel wool is life. As a side note,,once you lap the drag washers to being parallel flat like they should have been from the factory, you can set that one 'tabbed" drag washer in the middle of the stack,,and it wont want to fall out so easy and 'jam' the reel. The tab slots in that gear are cut top to ALMOST bottom inside that gear itself. In theory,,it could be put at the bottom of the stack if the fiber/rubber friction washer is thick enough that is placed first, in the bottom of the gear. Some fisherfools are REAL diehards, they use Pam Cooking Spray on the Bakelite and the whole loaded reel,,while fishing with it. Lol. The kind of kooky stuff that goes on here in the Pacific Northwest/Wild Wild West. Corrosion X on all for the biMetallic corrosion inhibit, then the gear train gets Cals Purple grease. I am a private aircraft mechanic when needed,, and have used Corrosion X on aircraft parts that see 200+ mph for hours,,in battering rain and weather,,and it still stays in place. Nasa stuff. Take care TSG, Happy Holidays .
Thanks and likewise! My theory on the "bowed" washers is that they would get compressed flat as the star increases drag. Of course, I'm not an engineer, so it's more of a semi-logical speculation and I don't really have a way of proving it. But, I get your point on the risk of them slipping out of place. The Pam spray is a good one... whatever works for them, right? Stay safe.
@@TSGReelService Yes sir. Your more of an engineer than you think, especially doing this kind of work. As you showed us,, only 1 thin bowed spring tension washer,, it's on the top of the stack,,the rest should be CNC parallel ground flat, but Penn didn't want to do that, or they figured it wouldn't be as important. They punched the washers out on a press machine, which leaves one side dead flat and one side slightly rounded due to the punch/press procedure. Once those heavy washers are "fixed", the drag has more capability and is much smoother. If needed I reset that bowed spring washer with a same radius piece of round stock, hammer and a slight bit of heat, or find a new one. ALWAYS, ALWAYS back that drag wheel off loose when parking the reel for a bit or for storage, on every reel, especially the granpa stuff.
New subscriber here. Question...what's the name / brand of that wrench you have?
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www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/168-SMOOTH.aspx
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buen video. sabes donde puedo conseguir refacciones para este modelo?
TSG I just did peerless no9 everything works fine after putting back together but tight to turn at one end towards the handle what did I do wrong
Thanks for checking out the video. Make a video of the problem you're having and post it on your channel, and respond to this thread with "DONE" and I'll check it out and get back to you. Otherwise, feel free to email me at tsgreelservice@gmail.com for personalized help.
What do you recommend for restoring the plastic? I picked one up in perfect working order but looks like it's sun baked on both sides of the plastic.
You can check my video library for a video I did on this subject.
I'll probably do another one down the road to include a couple other options.
What's the biggest size line that it can hold I have the exact same real
Thanks for checking out the video. As much as works for you with the drag you get from this reel. All the best.
Ty so much
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What is the last washer or spacer that was on the post I just broke mine taking it apart to fix it for my dad and need to know where I can buy one
Thanks for checking out the video. At what time in the video are you referring to?
6min an 30 seconds to 40 seconds exactly
The last black washer
Mines is red tho
That's not exact. It happens at 6:18.
www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/4-155.aspx
I cleaned multiple reels for my boss, and this reel happened to be one of them. I followed this video to the T! The reel handle is spinning freely in both directions.. do you know why and if it’s supposed to do that?
Thanks for checking out the video. Probably has something to do with the dog. Spread the word about the channel.
@@TSGReelServiceit was the dog. It was on backwards 🤦🏻♂️ thanks for the tip and the video. I’ll definitely spread the word about your channel.
@@A1K3NFISHING You're welcome and happy to hear you were able to get it resolved. Thanks for spreading the word!
2nd step: How about letting us know...what's that special wrench (Probably sold by Penn) that you need to get in order to unscrew the main attachement screwhead??? Or just mangle it with a pair pliers?
Thanks for watching. Probably got it from mysticparts or eBay. You can use whatever works for you. More vids to come.
I've only one question of this reel. I bought one years ago and i have tried every suggestion regarding how it seems to nest when I cast. could you give me some idea of how to get this right?
Thanks for watching. Please elaborate on what's happening and what you've tried to fix the issue.
Hi! How do you know if your dog is working?
Thanks for checking out the video. Check out the other videos in my video library for the answer.
Hi there, I have a mint Penn Peer 109, but it's the model with direct drive (handle turns with free spool) and smacks my knuckles. Do you know if I have put parts from the 9 in it, to give me true free spool? thanks
Thanks for watching! I doubt you'll be able to modify the direct drive to a "free spool" reel. I've never tried this, but maybe you can stick the entire right of a 9 (gears and all) in there and see if it works. Or, just use the 9 to fish, instead of as a parts reel.
I have a Penn Peerless #9 that has a. Issue with the handle not locking, and will turn even when the drag is tight. What causes that?
I uploaded a video to my channel
Thanks Drew. Looks like your anti-reverse isn't engaging. Could be the dog, the spring or your ratchet. Use this video to open your reel up and check to make sure something is missing or damaged. Without that dog engaging, you won't have any drag, vis a vis, no resistance, hence, no drag. If you're uncomfortable doing it yourself, try your local repair shop. Hope this helps.
@@TSGReelService thanks for the feedback! I ordered and installed a new leaf spring and this solved the issue. I appreciate the online troubleshooting and information!!
@@DrewBetts-ee4uk you're welcome and no worries. Happy to help. Now go catch some fish with it! 🎣
I have a question, I have this exact reel, mine has a metal spool though and a different color bakelite. Is there a way to determine how old mine is? Thank you so much for the video, this reel is in terrible shape but I'm using your video to get it back to fighting condition!
Thanks for checking out the video! Hope you get it back up and running. In general, yes.... different colors were used throughout the years. Try alantani.com as a starting source for dating the reel.
@@TSGReelService awesome, thank so much for the response! I meant to ask this too but forgot. My level wind does not work; it's not that the pawl is broken, but the track you might call it that the guide rides back and forth on does not move at all. I've just got the right side disassembled, and I can't see a reason as to why it's not engaging while I reel it in. Any thoughts?
Upon further inspection, it looks like to me at least, that the secondary gear that turns the worm on the left side plate, has a round hole in it... Should it be slotted to fit the end of the worm? I can see that one side of the worm is slotted to fit so I'm thinking maybe it (the gear) got rounded off some how?
@@TSGReelService LOL, okay I think I figured out what happened. I just got this real a few weeks ago it was given to me with like a 50-year-old rod as well, and as long as I've had it the level wine has not worked the worm has never spun. I think what happened is somebody took it apart a long time ago and they flipped the worm gear around so that the slotted end didn't go in the right side so it didn't engage The gear it fits into possibly
@@AEFarnam yes, that sounds right. If the keyed portion of the worm gear (brass) is worn or rounded off, check the the slotted area on the worm also to make sure it's okay. When ordering parts for this reel, I suggest picking up a spare idler gear, worm and pawl, just in case.
Hola saludos desde Argentina una consulta tengo un pen peet 109 y no se por que cuando libero el picat sigue girando la manija
Thanks for checking out the video. It sounds like you may have some frozen or stuck parts inside, so the pinion is not recessing enough for you to go into freespool.... or possibly an issue with the drag stack. Try using the video to service your reel. If you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, take it to your local repair shop. Hope that helps.
How do you get it to free spool without the clicker?
Press down the lever on the right side of the reel, top, silver colored
Hey TSG. Working on my Penn 210 using this guide. I have a good amount of play in the small gear that flat side slots onto the spool shaft and is held on with the little ring. Doesn't spin freely but probably about more than a year tooth's worth of play. Is this normal/OK or should I be looking to replace that gear so it seats tight? Thanks
Thanks for checking out the video. Part 66 naturally has a little play in it. I would do three things:
1) turn the gear while it's on the spindle.... if it turns more than a quarter turn, replace it.
2) remove it and check the inner portion for significant rounding. Change it if it's significant.
3) order a back up (plus an idler gear), just in case.
Just found a #9, cleaned and put it back together. I didn't tear it down completely but my issue is: free spool tensioner knob doesn't seem to do much of anything until the very last say 1/16th of a turn when it's completely seated. Same with drag star, last bit of tightening I can get out of it before it becomes effective, which it is, just seems to have lost the fine tune abilities. Is this a characteristic of the real? Do you have any thoughts? Thanks for the content 👍
Then you probably need to do a full teardown and inspection.
@@TSGReelService thx for the response, it's exactly as I feared, lol
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