I don't think the fact that the "Song of the Return" books were ritten just after the Companions win over the Elves make it any worse: as a winner in a war, you want indeed to make you look good, but do you think that peoples in Atmora would be like :"yeah, it's cool that you put a slap on the wrist to thoose who massacred our kind"? No! they would be like :"What, you burnt the men alive and flayed their wives in front of each others? Seriously, that's all you found?!? YOU AT LEAST RAPED THE CHILDRENS, RIGHT?!?" like atmoran would rather ear the snow elves got what they deserve plus a *little* extra piss on the wounds, i think, and the author of the books would have wanted to satisfy his readers. Sorry for the spelling/grammatical mistakes, English isn't my primary language.
TheEpicNate315 Enjoyed your video as always but about the pale lady part I don’t dive into the lore some much but if you travel around in those falmer infested dungeons there’s female falmer mages that never did transcend into the wisp mother. What if those wisp mothers weren’t elves but some guardians that protected the falmer still to this day the elder scrolls and I think the book mentioned that the companions trapped the pale lady instead of slain during her. I don’t know if you want to you could explore it and maybe save it for another video. Anyway keep making those videos later
@@solitudeguard5318 Hey you, another settlement needs our help, the game was rigged from the start so I started blasting and I had the high ground so it was over then I never asked for this. I had no idea what I said, I think I had too much Skooma
As a child the falmer terrified me so i never got the main quest line by getting Elder Scroll: Dragon, so i dicked around for the rest if my child hood until boredom
@@23Raind it's like the prophecy from LOTR, the witch king was told no man could kill him but he fought a woman and died, that's what I'm joking about.
“The more I research this guy the more I realize he’s no hero, he’s a bad guy who won.” Nate, that right there is a perfect example of “history is written by the winners” phrase.
Except that the Snow Elves started this all, by attacking Saarthal, the first settlement. They didn't like the idea of having more humans (which they previously kindly greeted in Skyrim) and just killed almost everybody there. Ysgramor avenged his fellow Nords.
@@keltdood They came to settle there. I think their homeland was too cold or something like that. They had a peaceful relationship with the Snow Elves at the start. Until the Nord grew too big and discovered the Eye of Magnus in Saarthal.
@@keltdood I think there is part of the story we don't know and there were more fights as the history books would describe. It's like American history: there were peaceful settlers, trading with the Natives, but just as many if not more violent ones who saw themselves as conquerors. We never get the snow elves' perspective and that is always a bad sign
First time seeing Falmer Player: Ahh what the hell is that? Seeing a Falmer now Player: Man, get outta hear with your mutant looking, gargling sounding bull crap
The first time i saw the falmer i was playing at 2 am i was tired and i had never seen them as a loading screen. It was in the cave where we find the lost dad of the mouthy kid in inn in the reach. Man that was unsettling as hell.
well at least you got to appreciate the falmer my first time seeing a falmer i had sniped it from a distance it f*cking annoying cause it took the mysteriousness out of them
The Snow prince story really resonated within me when I read the book; such a great warrior that even the nords respected him deeply It quickly reminded me of Lord of the Rings elven race and how gracious in combat they are ... I miss the days of Skyrim.. Bathesda really did well then.. Here is to hope they do it again in TES 6.
You didn't mention that Yisgremor(sp?) tried to settle in Skyrim before the war with the snow elves up by Winterhold, location is visited in the college quest line, when he left to bring more settlers he returned to find all the settlers, including his own son, left behind slaughtered by the snow elves. Night of tears
@@becmoss yes I know, i was just telling you that to see if you knew. Some people respond like that and other people look at me like I just told them Santa isn't real
Wait what you sayin bout Santa? 😂 For simplicity’s sake, the normal Snow Elves are generally called Snow Elves, and the monstrosified version are known as Falmer. The Snow Elves that are left that we see during Dawnguard don’t like to be called Falmer for that reason, as opposed to High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves generally preferring to be called Altmer, Dunmer and Bosmer.
"simply a bad guy...that won" That applies to literally every conquering king/emperor/leader, ever. Like they say, victory is written by the victors. And as you didn't say here but have said on other videos, he did all this only after the snow elves attacked the Atmorans first, wiping out that city whose name I never remember (according to history...written by Atmorans....)
I was going to say the same thing, ysgramor didn't become a bad guy to the elves until they sacked saarthal. Who wouldn't to be honest? Your trying to save your people while your homeland is being torn apart by infighting, and then froze over by an unstoppable force of nature. You find a place for your people to rebuild, then just as things are looking good boom murder in the night, you and your children are the only ones to flee, and watch the destruction. Keep in mind that in the elderscrolls universe, any elven race that had grown great and powerful (high elves, dark elves, dwemmer) typically were/are shitty people, not saying that they deserve genocide but you dont make friends by being awful people. All in all it's just a big tragedy that could of been avoided had one or the other had been willing to talk things out early on.
Well to be fair, the Atmorans just showed up in the middle of a land that had already been inhabited for who knows how long, and decided, yup this part is ours now losers Big city is going right here. So the Elves were probably already concerned since these guys just showed up and started claiming their ( Snow Elves) land. Next thing they know the people who basically just annexed part of their country found an ancient, mystical artifact of limitless power. Its reasonably understandable that the Snow Elves were worried the Atmorans wouldn't be content with just claiming land for one city. ( And judging by Ysmagor's actions following the return and how convenient it is that he just "happened to build a city above a site of great power" the Snow Elves fears were justified. ) On top of all that even once they had conquered the entire land of Skyrim, the Atmorans completely depopulated the Snow Elves, not even keeping them as slaves like the Aylieds did to ancient Neads. It seems rather likely, at least based on circumstantial evidence that the Atmorans had intended to commit genocide and claim the territory for themselves from the get-go.
@@sigilhunter3199 I dont think the atmorans were planning on genocide from the get go. I dont think anyone side is the victim or the bad guy, both are guilty and justified really. Again most of this could've been avoided if the factions talked a bit more.
Nate: he's not a hero, he's just a bad guy. who won. as in life, the victors of war are rarely benevolent to the side that loss to them. kingdoms revel in the demise of others, and the victors are the ones who write history.
Didn't the whole war start because the snow elves murdered the entire population of a city with no warning, which is what caused Ysgramor to go and gather up his companions in Atmora and come back to kick ass? Seems like the genocidal elves got what they deserved.
Regarding Ysgramor; his was a campaign of revenge, for the massacre of the original Nordic settlers of Skyrim. It doesn't excuse atrocities, of course, though it does make the brutality a little more understandable.
Exactly. And the Elves felt threatened with the Nords expanding while in possession of the Eye of Magnus. But that doesn't excuse sacking a group of settlers, of course. I can empathize with both sides, really.
Ysgramor lied. He was planning to give the Eye of Magnus to the Dragons. The Elves were trying to stop this from happening, less all of Tamriel fall to the Dragons. The Draugr in Saarthal implies their link to the Dragon Cult.
@Mathew C. research. Victors write their history in the best light. Ysgramor was a King, called Saarthal a Massacre, but he and two of his sons survived to spread the tale... conveniently leaving the Eye of Magnus out of the retellings. Guy new what he had, so did the Snow Elves and they knew Ysgramor couldn’t be trusted with it. Took matters into their own hands, couldn’t get the Eye cause Nords fought them off. Hence why the Eye stayed in Saarthal and wasn’t whisked away to a new hiding place or ever used against the returning lied to Angry Horde of Atmoran Dragon Cultists... Maybe just an opinion, but an educated opinion none the less.
"He's simply a bad guy, that won." Thats one of the best things about the elder scrolls. There is no bad guy or good guy in war. War is War. The Snow elves Genocided the Atmorans. They came back and did it even harder. Neither Side is good. Neither Side is bad. Its all just War.
firemonster221 in the minds of the Atmorans, they were the good guys. I don’t remember the name of the diety off the top of my head, but conquest is apart of Atmoran/Nordic way of life. I guess it really depends on whose side your on. From a neutral perspective, both sides had good and faults. I’m siding with Ysgramor, just because I like the idea of bringing down a battleaxe to the gleaming heads of elven kind. #killtheelves
Yeah, that history sounds like total bs. 12 years old girl, that holds sword and THROWS i... And pierce his armor... Yeah... This either be deadra or aedra or its total bs...
@@jkgf4671 she was a squire, meaning a trainee. Odds are that she was there to keep handong equipment for her mother and given Atmoran physiology, she may well have had the brute strength to do so
@@mistertaz94 This was their king so he definitely had the best armor they have. So this child throwing some ordinary sword piercing that armor is ridiculous. It would not only require insane amount of strength but also agility. If she would throw dagger - ok, that would work. But a CHILD, THROWING a SWORD that PIERCED HIGH QUILITY armor, that probably was also ENCHANTED since it was armor for their leader that boosted their morale. If that was mere child and not some aedra, deadra i call it bs.
I’d also like to present a theory of Wispmothers. They definitely seem to be Elven in nature, but they seem to actually be Ghosts of Falmer women who suffered tragic and violent deaths as they all seem to be violently angry and they actually have faces that closely resemble Falmer. As little as we know about the Falmer, we do know they had an affinity for Frost Magic we also know a lot of their women were priestesses, mages, and warriors just as is with every race so it could further support the idea that Wispmothers are simply the angry spirits of Falmer Women who suffered tragic and violent deaths.
He wasn't a bad guy. The snow elves sacked an Atmoran settlement, Saarthal, unprovoked. Only three humans made it out alive, them being Ysgramor and his sons. Anyone would want to wipe out the Falmer in his position.
@@sion9092 Same. All of the elder scrolls games (with the exceptions of arena and the spinoffs) have tremendous amounts of lore put into them. The world feels so realistic too.
Didn't the Snow elves have a treaty with the Nords that was violated when Sarthal was sacked in the infamous "night of tears"? When you think about it; Maybe Ysgramor was slightly justified in his ways. Not that genocide is justifiable!
We know there was a treaty and at some point tension rose to eventual war. However, we don't know which side violated the treaty. The Night of Tears was the result of the violation of the treaty, but wasn't the violation itself.
Do you not realize what the Eye of Magnus was CAPABLE of. IT COULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL OF CREATION! Look at what it almost did at the College of Winterhold, they even said that if the Eye's power was not contained it could destroy Nirn!
The 500 companions weren't the first settlers in Skyrim, and Windhelm wasn't the first city. You're forgetting the Night of Tears, the elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked and Ysgramor returned with the 500 to win the war that the elves had started.
It is also believed the Snow Elves had planned to exterminate all Nords in Skyrim, but Ysgramor turned that around. Of course, that doesn't mean the Nords were innocent of "War Crimes" - not that such a thing existed at that time.
@@metetural9140 I believe the 500 companions is more for Nord boasting. I think it was more likely 500 Ship Captains with a full crew and fighting battalion for each ship.
Hey nate, not particulaly a tiny detail but did you know that there is a hidden shield in the forgotten vale known as auriels shield. You get it by using the paragon that you get from killing the frost giant in the inner sanctum and killing a falmer gloomlurker once using the paragon on the paragon portal and looting that falmer
LMAO I thought it was a child and I felt bad until I remembered Braith, then I was like, "f* this mini mer," and I bashed its head off with a dragon's leg bone. 😂
What most people forget is that the 500 companions were not Nords they were Atmoran's which became the nords after crossbreeding with the nedes over generations with their frost resistance being one of the few surviving traits from the atmoran people
Ysgramor was originally friendly with the snow elves, even learning from them and using what he learned to develop the nord written language. If the elves hadn't committed the Night of Tears at Saarthal, they'd probably still be around. Imagine if they had just talked to Ys about the Eye of Magnus in there instead of turning their back on the truce they had with the nords and killing everyone at Saarthal.
Me: realizing that the ice tribes were recycled by Bethesda and became the falmer of skyrim. Me: realizing bethesda recycles all games, they're all sequels! Me: realizing Bethesda is a recycling plant.
Ive killed the dragon priest Volsung. At level 5 with a steel battleaxe. That was about 5 years ago when I didnt love dragon priest lore. Same with Krosis... I screamed untill I pushed him of the cliff and watched him die.
@@Whlsperer I remember Krosis. My first one. I wore that mask with pride... Took me forever. Ended up using the giant and mammoth. Poor giant didn't make it.
Ysgramor was also very angry. One book that wasn't mentioned is the "Night of Tears" that tells of the destruction of Sarthaal (we've all been there) that was a surprise attack by the Snow Elves.
Let’s not forget that this all happened because of “The Night of Tears” where the Snow Elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked, and possibly simply to curb the human population growth. Or it may have had something to do with the orb down there. Either way it’s not as simple as “Ysgramor bad,” and more like, “Ysgramor mad.”
Agreed but after that he didn't have to be so cruel to the slaves. And yet he was because he felt like he should or something. Makes you think how many times a hero has become the villain irl and we will never find out because he/she writes history.
@@odysseussavvakis5396 A guy comes in and murders your whole family.... How kind are you going to be to him? For a lot of people, if they have the chance, they will inflict as much suffering as they can and consider it justice for the suffering he inflicted.
@@sp0chi106 Likewise I'm not justifying it, both sides are at fault here. I am however curious as to what you mean by "something not nearly as detrimental as genocide"? The Snow Elves attempted to wipe out the people who had settled there. In fact, aside from Ysgramor who escaped, isn't that exactly what they did? The story is a little unclear on certain points... as I recall the settlers were fleeing war. For all anyone knew they were the only ones remaining, and the Snow elves wiped them out to a man with literally zero provocation (as far as we know). Granted it turned out the war had ended and there were other survivors. But frankly that's only relevant to the fact Ysgramor was able to come back and do to the Snow Elves what they had done to his people. Furthermore Atmora as far as we know is now an uninhabitable frozen wasteland. Had the Snow Elves won, they very much would have committed Genocide having killed the only people to have escaped. Frankly I think your splitting hairs saying one is worse then the other. I can't see any justification behind your claims personally. One group wiped out another group, and in turn were wiped out themselves. And if you really want to go that deep into splitting hairs, well then Ysgramor and his people didn't commit genocide either. The Snow Elves survived by fleeing to the Dwemer. Based on the available information the Snow Elves were the aggressors, they betrayed their original offer, and they paid the price. An eye for eye.
THE ISOLATION GAMES I still remember running into them for the first time it was actually into Blackreach to get the Elder Scroll, terrible place to first find them. I was terrified and horribly under-leveled. Also there was a Centurion by them at one point, that wasn’t fun.
"Ysgramor was no hero". >Forgets that Ysgramor's only surviving family was two of his sons, the rest likely died by the Snow Elves. That lone, being only three survivors of a massacre because "too much population", would make him a hero in my book. "Just a bad guy that won". >Wanted to take his family away from all the civil wars that were happening on Atmora, but even his family was taken on a foreign land. I wouldn't say that's a bad guy. He's honestly more gray than you'd think.
You wish, Ysgramor could have waved a white flag and promised that the Eye of Magnus would have been buried forever. They would have all lived in peace and probably have become an unstoppable Empire!
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes they might have communicated with them in the beginning, but it s doesn't excuse the fact that an entire peaceful race was SLAUGHTERED and made into SLAVES for utterly no reason. Imagine you were living a peaceful, happy, prosperous life with your wife/husband and your children, and all of a sudden some guy with a big axe rushes into your Homeland with 500 other guys and they kill everyone you know and love- aswell as make your race slaves to build a city THEY wanted on YOUR Homeland. And on top of all of that, your brothers the Dwemmer wouldn't help you unless you ate a strange fungus that made you blind against your will. So, your choices are 1. Get brutally slaughtered by some dudes with beards 2. Turn into a slave for the dudes with beards THEN get brutally slaughtered 3. Eat a mushroom that slowly turns you blind and primal
I'd say Ysgramor's genocide against the Snow Elves was understandable (not necessarily justified) in light of the Snow Elves' unprovoked destruction of Saarthal. It may or may not have been excessive since we have no way of knowing the Snow Elves' motivations or whether they meant to stop after Saarthal or persue their own genocidal campaign against the rest of the Atmoran settlers. It seems clear that Ysgramor thought it likely that the elves were set on the latter course, in which case it would have been a war for the survival of his people.
The night of tears is what kicked off Ysgramors campaign against the snow elves. They attacked Saarthal and killed all but Ysgramor and his two sons. They retreated to Atmora and came back with the five hundred companions. Feel like this would have been a pretty important detail when talking about the nords vs the snow elves
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Skyrim will always surprise. There’s probably so much we don’t know, what exactly was in the creators mind? What is the truth in things we don’t know!
My theory is that some Snow Elven sages dug up the fact that the site of Saarthal was where a dangerous magical energy source had been disposed of in earlier times. The Nord settlers, however, were delving deeply into the ground for the building of their burial crypts and were much too close to this artifact; in fact, they must have found it, for in 'our' time, it is contained in the crypt holding one of the Gauldursons. Since this artifact, in the wrong hands, could 'remake' the world (viz Ancano's dialogue), the Snow Elves were determined to keep the Nords from using it, thus the attack and obliteration of Saarthal. That way the artifact was safe and the Nords would have no clue of the power it contained.
@@andrewrauch5807 - I was just joking, but no, they're not equal. Some are stronger than others, some are hated & prejudiced against, etc. I wouldn't exactly call that equal. This is TES, not real life.
I think the mini falmer is for when you activate de ruins defense system and the automatons dwarven centurion smacks those tiny falmer , making the centurion look boss
I'm so glad you explained to me the mini falmer, I was playing and ran into two, one was miniature and one was normal sized haha. I had to take a screenshot it was so bizarre.
@@totalwarANGEL It's not even comparable. The Snow Elves attacked one city in fear of the Eye of Magnus potentially being used for conquest by the Nords. Ysgramor literally committed a genocide on an entire race.
@@adrian2461000 Instead of talking - what a advanced race like the elves should prefer to do - they attacked. I don't say reaction of the nords was right but the elves were not right either. They provoked the Nords and had to deal with the concequences.
Nate: Makes a video about Falmer Facts we might not know Also Nate in the Intro: Completely leaves out the night of tears as the reason why Ysgramor and his 500 companions conquered skyrim and drove the snow-elves to extinction.
“Innocent” is quite a bit generous of a word for the snow elves, after all they showed no mercy to shorthal and all the “reasons” people have hypothesized aren’t good enough of an excuse. The snow elves started the fight in such a cruel way I don’t judge how the nords decided to retaliate.
The Nords were in Snow Elf territory on sufferance. They were foreigners who were not invited; squatters if you will. We do not know what may have sparked the Snow Elf actions because naturally the Nords aren't going to tell us about it if there was one, or more, reasons. All I know is that the Snow Elves could have slaughtered them on the beachheads righteously as defending their land from invaders, but they didn't. Most elves aren't as impulsive as humans; I doubt they would have taken their action at Saarthal without due consideration of consequences and found it important enough to take the risk.
@firemonster221 but I thought the eye of magnus that was found in sarthaal led to the elves attacking sarthaal for the power the orb held. though keep in mind that I am more asking than stating rn, as you seem to know the lore waaaay better than I do.
@firemonster221 ty for that helpful info, actually been wondering where yall end up getting so into the lore, Ive known about the imperial library website but can never figure out how to work it, and currently with my shite internet itd take me 10 minutes just to load up the damned page :/ EDIT: also no problem about the reminder lol
@firemonster221 You think the Snow Elves wouldn't have asked them to leave? I mean, that doesn't make sense. A massacre wouldn't have happened without the Snow Elves being angered/provoked.
To be fair to the Nords, the companion’s conquest was a retaliatory strike. The first human settlers lived side-by-side with the snow elves.... until the night of tears, when the snow elves betrayed them and murder them in a single night. The survivors brought the story back to Ysgramor
Ysgramor was still a hero. Remember the events that started things in the first place. The Falmer beseiged a peaceful human settlement, murdering everyone inside and taking Ysgramor and others as slaves. He was enslaved for part of his youth, and then escaped to return to Atmora and seek help there, then returning with a conquering army. In his position I'd probably want to kill all the Falmer too. Hell, the empire itself exists as a result of humans enslaved by the Ayleid elves revolting and overthrowing their masters. It seems that throughout Tamriel's history, when elves have supremacy, they use it to enslave men. The Thalmor are attempting to do so again.
Whilst Ysgramor and Tiber Septim aren't heroes, neither are the Falmer and Ayleids. Well now that I think about it, Tiber Septim was a real evil prick. He used a Numidiam to murder a bunch of innocent people
Do you not pay attention to detail. What did the Eye of Magnus almost do to the College of Winterhold, IT ALMOST DESTROYED IT! Would you want an impulsive and not patient race wielding something with that kind of power! Secondly, the Snow Elves enslaved the human race because they knew that they had to keep an eye on them or they'd blow up the world! Third, the Ayleid's did not just enslave humans, THEY USED THEM IN F***ING NECROMANTIC RITUALS WHICH ALL ELVES SEE AS EVIL! Finally, the Thalmor are but a faction of the Altmer race, many of the Altmer are afraid to speak out against the Thalmor because they are afraid that the Thalmor will MURDER them! The Snow Elves were in the right and the Nords were in the wrong and I've got more evidence than that!
speaking of snow-elves, at the inner sanctum in the forgotten vale, if you hop the railing at the sanctum-end of the bridge, and turn west (being careful not to fall off, it's a long way down), there's an archway, next to a half buried skeleton with an unremovable circlet, three gemstones, and an elven sword.
The Falmer? They might be bad but they're not as bad as.. the dragonborn.. I've been dying for nearly 10 years now please help me. But but.. Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am I saying.. Of course you don’t.
Yeah but this guy is hailed as some "hero" who was just so great and tragic that he's loved by all nord. Not all slaves were treated the same back in the day even in our world, and Windhelm is a big, grand city. The fact the enslaved Snow Elves even had to build such a thing must've even a daunting task, one that they were all slaughtered after making
You should have mentioned the wild falmer. In the forgotten vale when you follow the river downwards, you will drop into a cave. There you will encounter them. They are completely naked and attack with their bare blood riddled claws. It seems like not many people know about them, since they are never mentioned.
I'm loving this little beast series so far I hope it'll continue! The story of the snow elves/falmer was always one of the most interesting things about the game to me
Nate, do bear in mind that it wasn't Ysgramor who started the war, it was the elves who first sacked and destroyed Saarthal, the first settlement of the Atmorans just beacause they wanted to control the Eye of Magnus.
I really love how the falmer use chaurus bugs as livestock. Not for food, really, but to make houses and chests and swords and armor and gates and poorly constructed bridges with incredible craftsmanship, despite the fact they are blind.
If they ever make an oblivion remaster, there should be a line that replaces the famous high elf line. It would be simple and simply ask, “have you heard of the snow elves?”
A video about the entire history of the dark brotherhood would be nice. You could use facts and theories, mentioned in previous videos and do a timeline, if it is possible. I think this has huge potential. Maybe there are some books, which tell about the founding and the different happenings in the past. You could that with the college of winterhold, the thieves guild, the blades, morag tong, the companions, the nightingales or some orc fractions. Maybe you want to do some videos about the fractions of Oblivion or older Elder Scrolls games. Btw love your videos. Keep up the great work
I think camelworks and fudgemuppet did some if not all of these. If not directly, then in passing. ESO also covers a lot of lore in his play throughs. Not sure who of them are still active, I'm catching up on not having consistent net for the last 2 years.
The Snow Elves were doomed no matter how you look at it. The Dragons were coming over with the Nords and they would have subjugated the Snow Elves. Also, the Snow Elf's highest religious figure was turned into a vampire (yes hundreds or thousands of years later, but that would have devastated them as well).
Uh yeah, if you knew that a race that is impulsive and doesn't think things through has a weapon that could possibly unmake all of creation, would you want them to have it. The Snow Elves were only trying to prevent the Nords from doing something terrible. Even the Psijic Monk in the College of Winterhold's quest line said that the world was not ready for such a thing. The Snow Elves were only trying to protect the world, so don't go talking bad about them when their intentions were FAR from malevolent and self-centered.
@@andrewrauch5807 No. They lived in peace for years. They traded. Taught each other magic, culture, smithing, and combat techniques. The Falmer betrayed the nords when they found the Eye of Magnus. They slaughtered countless innocent people for an artifact they didn't even understand themselves. The elves are just as if not more impulsive than the nords. The elves literally think themselves gods . No matter how many times the gods curse them for their heresy
@@andrewrauch5807 if that is true they shouldn't have murdered everyone instead should have talked with and convinced them to work with the elves to seal it away
@@DarkSeraph95 The elves knew that the Eye could destroy the world if tampered with. They were attempting to protect all of life. If they did not act, the Nords would have, then all of Nirn would have suffered. You're not looking at the dangerous potential that the Eye has. No good could have come from the Nords having it, and if the Snow Elves knew nothing about it, why then did they leave it. They did know something, they knew that it was dangerous.
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TheEpicNate315 Your videos have been getting way more creative. I think my favorite video by you was the giant one.
I don't think the fact that the "Song of the Return" books were ritten just after the Companions win over the Elves make it any worse: as a winner in a war, you want indeed to make you look good, but do you think that peoples in Atmora would be like :"yeah, it's cool that you put a slap on the wrist to thoose who massacred our kind"? No! they would be like :"What, you burnt the men alive and flayed their wives in front of each others? Seriously, that's all you found?!? YOU AT LEAST RAPED THE CHILDRENS, RIGHT?!?" like atmoran would rather ear the snow elves got what they deserve plus a *little* extra piss on the wounds, i think, and the author of the books would have wanted to satisfy his readers. Sorry for the spelling/grammatical mistakes, English isn't my primary language.
TheEpicNate315 Enjoyed your video as always but about the pale lady part I don’t dive into the lore some much but if you travel around in those falmer infested dungeons there’s female falmer mages that never did transcend into the wisp mother. What if those wisp mothers weren’t elves but some guardians that protected the falmer still to this day the elder scrolls and I think the book mentioned that the companions trapped the pale lady instead of slain during her. I don’t know if you want to you could explore it and maybe save it for another video. Anyway keep making those videos later
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Can you please make a tutorial on how to mods Skyrim SE on pc, would be greatly appreciated.
Nate: Shrunken Falmer
Me, an intellectual: Mini Mer
Rex Theti Rannos I heard they were reforming the Minutemen, small elven warriors or something, might consider giving them some septims.
Smallmer
@@solitudeguard5318 Hey you, another settlement needs our help, the game was rigged from the start so I started blasting and I had the high ground so it was over then I never asked for this.
I had no idea what I said, I think I had too much Skooma
Micromer
@@totallynotmozziesaccount8506 Wait, I know you...
I'm a bit disappointed that there weren't any special clothing or armor with the Vale hides.
Same here, that was really disappointing. Would’ve loved to see some unique leather armor or maybe some nice robes
There's a mod for that
@@couchbear6108 what's it called? Is it on xbox?
bethesda.net/en/mods/skyrim/mod-detail/4152162
PS4 version too, I have no tried this mod
now that you mention it, Im also disappointed.
I remember the Falmer terrifying me whenever I wonder the Dwemer ruins during my first playthroughs of Skyrim.
The Great and Mighty Goddess Aqua The Falmer don’t terrify me, the creatures they “work” with do. I absolutely hate all of those things.
As a child the falmer terrified me so i never got the main quest line by getting Elder Scroll: Dragon, so i dicked around for the rest if my child hood until boredom
@@TeddyBren Apparently the Charus were supposed to be half the size of Alduin imagine that
@@Khaotic_Karibo Yeah, the idea was for them to be damn right huge, and ya know who was supposed to ride em, the falmer.
@@Khaotic_Karibo or just go to frost flow lighthouse to see the only one that actually is half the size of alduin or probably bigger
M’aiq once enterd the forgotten vale. Very majestic place
This is the 3rd time I've seen you and you lies😑
AK-SICKIE 2112 M’aiq does not lie
Go bother someone else M'aiq is tired
M'aiq The Liar I’m a box, get in.
I have been in multiple places at the same time.
"Putting the "infant" in "infantry" aren't you Ysgramor"
Excuse me Nate, i didnt mean to completely splurt water all over my keyboard.
Same here. Unfortunately it was fruit punch in my case. Fortunately, my keyboard can simply be dunked in soap water and then rinsed.
What kind of keyboard do you have it sounds like a dream
The ‘fruit punched’ through your keyboard :3
Have you heard of the Snow Elves?
I thought not, it's not a story the Dwemer would tell you.
Fun fact, the Plaugeis book is fantastic.
Made my day
Is it possible to learn this Thu"um?
This is all great ☝
I didn’t like it so the likes would stay at 69
Fun fact: At this time Solstheim was still a part of Skyrim, not an island.
Yes
Which time?
@@TySama0 he probably meant the time when falmers weren't falmers
@@eminemre2210, that is specified.
Hi Cicero I still can’t get past ur ice troll
And I just realized Skyrim only has human children, no Elven, Giant, Khajit or others.
are there even giantesses? I did not notice any. But anyway perhaps juvenile giant live unnoticed among humans. Who could tell the difference.
@@MrChristophSteininge Nate did a video on giants quite recently where he goes over the theories on female giants
@Zuko the rabbit Redguards are human.
But Redguard are human?
you assume that reproduction works the same for elves
The snow prince: fools no grown human may kill me
12 year old girl: I am not grown
The snow prince: ☠️
Why would he specify grown? Did he have a special vulnerability to children, that he was also aware of?
@@23Raind it's like the prophecy from LOTR, the witch king was told no man could kill him but he fought a woman and died, that's what I'm joking about.
@@El_Cidd fair enough.
@@El_Cidd technically she just finished him. The real damage was caused by a hobbit as in non-human
Snow Prince: NANI???!!!
“The more I research this guy the more I realize he’s no hero, he’s a bad guy who won.”
Nate, that right there is a perfect example of “history is written by the winners” phrase.
Except that the Snow Elves started this all, by attacking Saarthal, the first settlement. They didn't like the idea of having more humans (which they previously kindly greeted in Skyrim) and just killed almost everybody there. Ysgramor avenged his fellow Nords.
Skyro is that so? If that the case I apologize for the mistake. Love only few elder scrolls games (Oblivion and Skyrim) so don’t quite know the lore.
Skyro I thought the Atmorans came in search of conquest and destruction. Doesn’t sound bad to me. I like Nordic history. Sounds fun
@@keltdood They came to settle there. I think their homeland was too cold or something like that. They had a peaceful relationship with the Snow Elves at the start. Until the Nord grew too big and discovered the Eye of Magnus in Saarthal.
@@keltdood I think there is part of the story we don't know and there were more fights as the history books would describe. It's like American history: there were peaceful settlers, trading with the Natives, but just as many if not more violent ones who saw themselves as conquerors. We never get the snow elves' perspective and that is always a bad sign
maybe the wispmothers are what the dwemer WANTED the snow elves to become.
No the Dwemer needed souls for their automatons. Tis why they welcomed the Falmer with open arms
@@metetural9140 I don't know about that.
I don't think that happened.
@@andrewrauch5807 well it's a mix of that. That and well... "test experiments"
@@metetural9140 I guess that makes more sense.
"Putting the infant in infantry" heh...good one
First time seeing Falmer
Player: Ahh what the hell is that?
Seeing a Falmer now
Player: Man, get outta hear with your mutant looking, gargling sounding bull crap
I know I look like an asshole now but it's here
Shut your blind, garglin', annoying, bug breeding, shitty weapons, shitty armor, asses up.
Falmer:*falmer noises*
New players:AH WHAT THE FUCK!?!
old players:Fuck off will you
I’ve actually never seen falmer just tryna fit in and I literally have steel armour and I know some facts and theories
YourMomsAFurry CALM DOWN
When I first encountered a couple of falmers in a cave I misread the name as "farmer" and was deeply confused and unsettled for a few minutes
Alexis Notarianni nothing is scarier than encountering a farmer.
Falmer: *_It's almost harvesting season!_*
@@metetural9140 Good one, that is the funniest thing that I have heard all day!
@@andrewrauch5807 shit I misquoted it
@@metetural9140 That's okay, it's still funny as hell!
"...Only Todd Howard may know, and Todd Howard is probably in quarantine like the rest of us."
Fool, you think a mere virus is enough to stop the immortal god Howard😂
Comedy gold
Death Cat I read this comment at the same time nate said it
Hodd Toward
Hes probably snorting skooma off a stripper's ass
The first time i saw the falmer i was playing at 2 am i was tired and i had never seen them as a loading screen. It was in the cave where we find the lost dad of the mouthy kid in inn in the reach. Man that was unsettling as hell.
Wait which cave was that I don't quite remember.
well at least you got to appreciate the falmer my first time seeing a falmer i had sniped it from a distance it f*cking annoying cause it took the mysteriousness out of them
@@andrewrauch5807 Chillwind Depths
@@barondrakon7947 I didn't care, they were TOO creepy for me.
The Snow prince story really resonated within me when I read the book; such a great warrior that even the nords respected him deeply
It quickly reminded me of Lord of the Rings elven race and how gracious in combat they are
... I miss the days of Skyrim..
Bathesda really did well then.. Here is to hope they do it again in TES 6.
Snow prince: what is your name girl?
Finna: finna, finna mess you up bro
nice
nice
You’ve violated the law of Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?
Solitude Guard it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a good fight
Noice
You didn't mention that Yisgremor(sp?) tried to settle in Skyrim before the war with the snow elves up by Winterhold, location is visited in the college quest line, when he left to bring more settlers he returned to find all the settlers, including his own son, left behind slaughtered by the snow elves. Night of tears
Imagine being a snow elf and find out you would one day become a falmer
They are already Falmer. The Falmer you speak of are just blind feral versions of the Falmer
@@metetural9140 I am well aware. It was a joke
@@becmoss yes I know, i was just telling you that to see if you knew. Some people respond like that and other people look at me like I just told them Santa isn't real
Wait what you sayin bout Santa? 😂
For simplicity’s sake, the normal Snow Elves are generally called Snow Elves, and the monstrosified version are known as Falmer. The Snow Elves that are left that we see during Dawnguard don’t like to be called Falmer for that reason, as opposed to High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves generally preferring to be called Altmer, Dunmer and Bosmer.
The snow elf preist in dawngaurd agrees
"Murdered them all to death" classic Nate!
lmao
"simply a bad guy...that won" That applies to literally every conquering king/emperor/leader, ever. Like they say, victory is written by the victors.
And as you didn't say here but have said on other videos, he did all this only after the snow elves attacked the Atmorans first, wiping out that city whose name I never remember (according to history...written by Atmorans....)
History is written...
And I don't remember the first city either, but he didn't decide to murder all of them to death until they sacked Saarthal.
Sarthal is that first city,
None the less destroying one city is bad genocide tho is a far bigger deal
I was going to say the same thing, ysgramor didn't become a bad guy to the elves until they sacked saarthal. Who wouldn't to be honest? Your trying to save your people while your homeland is being torn apart by infighting, and then froze over by an unstoppable force of nature. You find a place for your people to rebuild, then just as things are looking good boom murder in the night, you and your children are the only ones to flee, and watch the destruction. Keep in mind that in the elderscrolls universe, any elven race that had grown great and powerful (high elves, dark elves, dwemmer) typically were/are shitty people, not saying that they deserve genocide but you dont make friends by being awful people. All in all it's just a big tragedy that could of been avoided had one or the other had been willing to talk things out early on.
Well to be fair, the Atmorans just showed up in the middle of a land that had already been inhabited for who knows how long, and decided, yup this part is ours now losers Big city is going right here. So the Elves were probably already concerned since these guys just showed up and started claiming their ( Snow Elves) land. Next thing they know the people who basically just annexed part of their country found an ancient, mystical artifact of limitless power. Its reasonably understandable that the Snow Elves were worried the Atmorans wouldn't be content with just claiming land for one city. ( And judging by Ysmagor's actions following the return and how convenient it is that he just "happened to build a city above a site of great power" the Snow Elves fears were justified. ) On top of all that even once they had conquered the entire land of Skyrim, the Atmorans completely depopulated the Snow Elves, not even keeping them as slaves like the Aylieds did to ancient Neads. It seems rather likely, at least based on circumstantial evidence that the Atmorans had intended to commit genocide and claim the territory for themselves from the get-go.
@@sigilhunter3199 I dont think the atmorans were planning on genocide from the get go. I dont think anyone side is the victim or the bad guy, both are guilty and justified really. Again most of this could've been avoided if the factions talked a bit more.
I feel like Nate should try and do a collab with fudgemuppet
Agree
Same mate
Agreed
I feel like he should do a collab with MxR
Agreed
Nate: he's not a hero, he's just a bad guy. who won.
as in life, the victors of war are rarely benevolent to the side that loss to them. kingdoms revel in the demise of others, and the victors are the ones who write history.
Modern humans fucked the Neanderthals out of history.
Literally and figuratively.
Didn't the whole war start because the snow elves murdered the entire population of a city with no warning, which is what caused Ysgramor to go and gather up his companions in Atmora and come back to kick ass? Seems like the genocidal elves got what they deserved.
@@ixdaeliovadi I think nate, with all his skyrim"wisdom" forgot the cause of the war. maybe hes getting senile
The Roaming Viking exactly
Just look at USA
You think that I am going to watch this at 3 AM?
*of course I am*
I was once an all-nighter like you, but then I took a sleep pill to the stomach.
Were you at? its nine pm for me.
@@grayfox6930 Europe. Probably UK or Spain.
Aye
Lmao for me rn its 3 am :p
Nate: The Falmer we've grown to know and love.
Me: Love?!
Yeah, I'm starting to think he is trolling us. That, or he somehow missed a LOT of details while making this video...
If those are the things that are classed as lovable then we've been using the word wrong this whole time
Nate is a friggen elf...now you\'re finally awake
When I first met falmer I was like: Oh, ofcourse, dwarves were all killed by goblins, like the mines of Moria
I assumed they were what became of the dwarfs
It’s a similar story lol.
@@smass8586 second thought
Smas S858 my thought when I heard about their story
Regarding Ysgramor; his was a campaign of revenge, for the massacre of the original Nordic settlers of Skyrim. It doesn't excuse atrocities, of course, though it does make the brutality a little more understandable.
Exactly. And the Elves felt threatened with the Nords expanding while in possession of the Eye of Magnus. But that doesn't excuse sacking a group of settlers, of course. I can empathize with both sides, really.
Ysgramor lied. He was planning to give the Eye of Magnus to the Dragons. The Elves were trying to stop this from happening, less all of Tamriel fall to the Dragons. The Draugr in Saarthal implies their link to the Dragon Cult.
@@fumarc4501 - is this just a theory, or is it stated as a fact somewhere...?
@Mathew C. research. Victors write their history in the best light. Ysgramor was a King, called Saarthal a Massacre, but he and two of his sons survived to spread the tale... conveniently leaving the Eye of Magnus out of the retellings. Guy new what he had, so did the Snow Elves and they knew Ysgramor couldn’t be trusted with it. Took matters into their own hands, couldn’t get the Eye cause Nords fought them off. Hence why the Eye stayed in Saarthal and wasn’t whisked away to a new hiding place or ever used against the returning lied to Angry Horde of Atmoran Dragon Cultists...
Maybe just an opinion, but an educated opinion none the less.
@@fumarc4501 - you may be onto something. By the way, I wasn't trying to sound like a snarky asshole, but was genuinely curious.
They use their children in war because they are immortal in skyrim. Makes perfect sense to me.
"He's simply a bad guy, that won."
Thats one of the best things about the elder scrolls. There is no bad guy or good guy in war. War is War. The Snow elves Genocided the Atmorans. They came back and did it even harder. Neither Side is good. Neither Side is bad. Its all just War.
Christopher Rumbold You can never be a good guy if you’re involved with war.
War.... war never changes.
firemonster221 in the minds of the Atmorans, they were the good guys. I don’t remember the name of the diety off the top of my head, but conquest is apart of Atmoran/Nordic way of life. I guess it really depends on whose side your on. From a neutral perspective, both sides had good and faults. I’m siding with Ysgramor, just because I like the idea of bringing down a battleaxe to the gleaming heads of elven kind. #killtheelves
Both sides are bad, warcrimes are a thing
@@EMPERORTUNGSTEN evil wins when the good man does nothing being peaceful is only good to a measure
Nobody:
That angry girl: Im Fina throw my sword lol feeling cute
The snow elf army: *distressed tom face*
Yeah, that history sounds like total bs. 12 years old girl, that holds sword and THROWS i... And pierce his armor... Yeah... This either be deadra or aedra or its total bs...
@@jkgf4671 maybe she was had magic and when her parent died she blew up and used magic to kill the dude
@@jkgf4671 she was a squire, meaning a trainee. Odds are that she was there to keep handong equipment for her mother and given Atmoran physiology, she may well have had the brute strength to do so
@@mistertaz94 This was their king so he definitely had the best armor they have. So this child throwing some ordinary sword piercing that armor is ridiculous. It would not only require insane amount of strength but also agility. If she would throw dagger - ok, that would work. But a CHILD, THROWING a SWORD that PIERCED HIGH QUILITY armor, that probably was also ENCHANTED since it was armor for their leader that boosted their morale. If that was mere child and not some aedra, deadra i call it bs.
@@jkgf4671 Pfft... no regular 12 year old girl, a Nord and that armor was flimsy elven make.
I’d also like to present a theory of Wispmothers. They definitely seem to be Elven in nature, but they seem to actually be Ghosts of Falmer women who suffered tragic and violent deaths as they all seem to be violently angry and they actually have faces that closely resemble Falmer. As little as we know about the Falmer, we do know they had an affinity for Frost Magic we also know a lot of their women were priestesses, mages, and warriors just as is with every race so it could further support the idea that Wispmothers are simply the angry spirits of Falmer Women who suffered tragic and violent deaths.
I've never been this early before
Are.. are those... dwemer over there?
I really hope this makes top comment
Um... The uh, dwemer went missing long ago...
@@trurookiegaming6998 That's the joke
Nah that's just Yagram... well yeah, yeah it is
@@metetural9140 thanks, I was trying to remember his name earlier!
I once had a dream that contained the line:
"You're a Falmer! Like Steve Buscemi!"
What?
@@failedabortion8734 My dreams are weird. :P
@@thegreattotemaster all dreams are in a sense
Last time I was this Early, Nate wasn't even Epic yet.
Last time i was this early Nate did not exist yet
You have violated the laws of Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?
@@solitudeguard5318 Wait, I know you.
I don’t like where this is going
I will devour you’re souls
It's going to be a bright day in soul cairn when Nate runs out of facts
Coldharbour will boil over when that happens
5 things in Soul Cairn you missed.
Es6 will be out by then
Camelworks made a great video on the soul cairn, if you have the time for his videos.
I’ll believe that when whales fly!
Oh wait-
Those whisp mothers indeed always seem to be in and around ice and seemingly random (non-marked) dwarven ruins, even in outside encounters.
"He was no hero, he was just a bad guy that won"
Dang. Dang
Edit: not implying he was a villain. Just appreciating the quote 😂
the victor dictates history
He wasn't a bad guy. The snow elves sacked an Atmoran settlement, Saarthal, unprovoked. Only three humans made it out alive, them being Ysgramor and his sons. Anyone would want to wipe out the Falmer in his position.
Sion909 he was by no means a villain
@@philburtthecommunistlizard5975 no matter how many times I play this game, it's the amount of effort put into lore that I adore
@@sion9092 Same. All of the elder scrolls games (with the exceptions of arena and the spinoffs) have tremendous amounts of lore put into them. The world feels so realistic too.
Didn't the Snow elves have a treaty with the Nords that was violated when Sarthal was sacked in the infamous "night of tears"? When you think about it; Maybe Ysgramor was slightly justified in his ways. Not that genocide is justifiable!
Nord justice was served. That's all, right?
Most elves are dicks it is justified
We know there was a treaty and at some point tension rose to eventual war. However, we don't know which side violated the treaty. The Night of Tears was the result of the violation of the treaty, but wasn't the violation itself.
Do you not realize what the Eye of Magnus was CAPABLE of. IT COULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL OF CREATION! Look at what it almost did at the College of Winterhold, they even said that if the Eye's power was not contained it could destroy Nirn!
Agreed they attacked the settlers therefore they deserved to a degree ysgramors vengeance
Only just realised why wuthard is especially deadly to Elfs if the companions told me i didn't listen.
The 500 companions weren't the first settlers in Skyrim, and Windhelm wasn't the first city. You're forgetting the Night of Tears, the elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked and Ysgramor returned with the 500 to win the war that the elves had started.
Yuagin I think he meant the first still standing city
It is also believed the Snow Elves had planned to exterminate all Nords in Skyrim, but Ysgramor turned that around. Of course, that doesn't mean the Nords were innocent of "War Crimes" - not that such a thing existed at that time.
500 companions my arse. Ysgramor probably brought 10,000 if he wanted, and did, beat the Falmer. And they definitely didn't stay on the same boat
@@metetural9140 I believe the 500 companions is more for Nord boasting. I think it was more likely 500 Ship Captains with a full crew and fighting battalion for each ship.
@@nikik5567 Saarthal is technically still standing.
Hey nate, not particulaly a tiny detail but did you know that there is a hidden shield in the forgotten vale known as auriels shield. You get it by using the paragon that you get from killing the frost giant in the inner sanctum and killing a falmer gloomlurker once using the paragon on the paragon portal and looting that falmer
The Ruby Paragon, I think.
9:46 Oh, thank God, I was confused as hell the first time one of those tiny shits came running at me
LMAO I thought it was a child and I felt bad until I remembered Braith, then I was like, "f* this mini mer," and I bashed its head off with a dragon's leg bone. 😂
What most people forget is that the 500 companions were not Nords they were Atmoran's which became the nords after crossbreeding with the nedes over generations with their frost resistance being one of the few surviving traits from the atmoran people
Ysgramor was originally friendly with the snow elves, even learning from them and using what he learned to develop the nord written language. If the elves hadn't committed the Night of Tears at Saarthal, they'd probably still be around. Imagine if they had just talked to Ys about the Eye of Magnus in there instead of turning their back on the truce they had with the nords and killing everyone at Saarthal.
And now you shall face my infanttree!
'sweeps his hand in a big reveal to a forest of saplings'
Me: realizing that the ice tribes were recycled by Bethesda and became the falmer of skyrim.
Me: realizing bethesda recycles all games, they're all sequels!
Me: realizing Bethesda is a recycling plant.
I always love watching your videos thank you for making my quarantine, also I hope you have a good time quarantined
I remember killing a falmer at level 7. It took many tries, and it was my first run and first time ever seeing them.
Ive killed the dragon priest Volsung. At level 5 with a steel battleaxe. That was about 5 years ago when I didnt love dragon priest lore. Same with Krosis... I screamed untill I pushed him of the cliff and watched him die.
@@Whlsperer I remember Krosis. My first one. I wore that mask with pride... Took me forever. Ended up using the giant and mammoth. Poor giant didn't make it.
Ysgramor was also very angry. One book that wasn't mentioned is the "Night of Tears" that tells of the destruction of Sarthaal (we've all been there) that was a surprise attack by the Snow Elves.
Let’s not forget that this all happened because of “The Night of Tears” where the Snow Elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked, and possibly simply to curb the human population growth. Or it may have had something to do with the orb down there. Either way it’s not as simple as “Ysgramor bad,” and more like, “Ysgramor mad.”
Agreed but after that he didn't have to be so cruel to the slaves. And yet he was because he felt like he should or something. Makes you think how many times a hero has become the villain irl and we will never find out because he/she writes history.
@@odysseussavvakis5396 A guy comes in and murders your whole family.... How kind are you going to be to him? For a lot of people, if they have the chance, they will inflict as much suffering as they can and consider it justice for the suffering he inflicted.
@@asherandai1000 I'm not justifying this 100% but since when is genocide a reasonable response to something not nearly as detrimental as genocide?
@@sp0chi106 Likewise I'm not justifying it, both sides are at fault here.
I am however curious as to what you mean by "something not nearly as detrimental as genocide"? The Snow Elves attempted to wipe out the people who had settled there. In fact, aside from Ysgramor who escaped, isn't that exactly what they did? The story is a little unclear on certain points... as I recall the settlers were fleeing war. For all anyone knew they were the only ones remaining, and the Snow elves wiped them out to a man with literally zero provocation (as far as we know).
Granted it turned out the war had ended and there were other survivors. But frankly that's only relevant to the fact Ysgramor was able to come back and do to the Snow Elves what they had done to his people.
Furthermore Atmora as far as we know is now an uninhabitable frozen wasteland. Had the Snow Elves won, they very much would have committed Genocide having killed the only people to have escaped.
Frankly I think your splitting hairs saying one is worse then the other. I can't see any justification behind your claims personally. One group wiped out another group, and in turn were wiped out themselves.
And if you really want to go that deep into splitting hairs, well then Ysgramor and his people didn't commit genocide either. The Snow Elves survived by fleeing to the Dwemer. Based on the available information the Snow Elves were the aggressors, they betrayed their original offer, and they paid the price. An eye for eye.
To this day, these things scare the crap out of me.
Riflemutt Prime Pretty creepy looking to be fair!
THE ISOLATION GAMES I still remember running into them for the first time it was actually into Blackreach to get the Elder Scroll, terrible place to first find them. I was terrified and horribly under-leveled. Also there was a Centurion by them at one point, that wasn’t fun.
@@cobaltprime9467 Centurion definitely aren't going to make that encounter any more fun my friend.
"Ysgramor was no hero".
>Forgets that Ysgramor's only surviving family was two of his sons, the rest likely died by the Snow Elves. That lone, being only three survivors of a massacre because "too much population", would make him a hero in my book.
"Just a bad guy that won".
>Wanted to take his family away from all the civil wars that were happening on Atmora, but even his family was taken on a foreign land. I wouldn't say that's a bad guy. He's honestly more gray than you'd think.
You wish, Ysgramor could have waved a white flag and promised that the Eye of Magnus would have been buried forever. They would have all lived in peace and probably have become an unstoppable Empire!
Ysgramor literally slaughtered an entire peaceful race that would've been passive if they actually tried to communicate with them
@@Just_in_case_i_die..._ THANK YOU!!!!!!!
@@Just_in_case_i_die..._ They did communicate with them, or did you miss that part?
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes they might have communicated with them in the beginning, but it s doesn't excuse the fact that an entire peaceful race was SLAUGHTERED and made into SLAVES for utterly no reason. Imagine you were living a peaceful, happy, prosperous life with your wife/husband and your children, and all of a sudden some guy with a big axe rushes into your Homeland with 500 other guys and they kill everyone you know and love- aswell as make your race slaves to build a city THEY wanted on YOUR Homeland. And on top of all of that, your brothers the Dwemmer wouldn't help you unless you ate a strange fungus that made you blind against your will. So, your choices are
1. Get brutally slaughtered by some dudes with beards
2. Turn into a slave for the dudes with beards THEN get brutally slaughtered
3. Eat a mushroom that slowly turns you blind and primal
I'd say Ysgramor's genocide against the Snow Elves was understandable (not necessarily justified) in light of the Snow Elves' unprovoked destruction of Saarthal. It may or may not have been excessive since we have no way of knowing the Snow Elves' motivations or whether they meant to stop after Saarthal or persue their own genocidal campaign against the rest of the Atmoran settlers. It seems clear that Ysgramor thought it likely that the elves were set on the latter course, in which case it would have been a war for the survival of his people.
I mean, to be fair when Saarthal fell if you were those people you'd have to treat it that way just on principle.
The night of tears is what kicked off Ysgramors campaign against the snow elves. They attacked Saarthal and killed all but Ysgramor and his two sons. They retreated to Atmora and came back with the five hundred companions. Feel like this would have been a pretty important detail when talking about the nords vs the snow elves
It's been almost 10 years since skyrim was released and somehow it stills surprise me
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Skyrim will always surprise. There’s probably so much we don’t know, what exactly was in the creators mind? What is the truth in things we don’t know!
@@EMPERORTUNGSTEN probably drugs tbh
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Pretty good chance dude.
"5 things you didn't know about the soup fork" dew it
Isnt it called a spork?
@@dylan1586 No ysgramor ate soup with a fork
I approve
If this doesn't happen soon I will be very disappointed.
@@oscarpie6751 It might look like a fork to you, but it wouldn't be his soup spoon if it was.
Wow the Snow Elves must have some juice. The Night Of Tears never seems to make it's way into these videos.
My theory is that some Snow Elven sages dug up the fact that the site of Saarthal was where a dangerous magical energy source had been disposed of in earlier times. The Nord settlers, however, were delving deeply into the ground for the building of their burial crypts and were much too close to this artifact; in fact, they must have found it, for in 'our' time, it is contained in the crypt holding one of the Gauldursons. Since this artifact, in the wrong hands, could 'remake' the world (viz Ancano's dialogue), the Snow Elves were determined to keep the Nords from using it, thus the attack and obliteration of Saarthal. That way the artifact was safe and the Nords would have no clue of the power it contained.
is this a WW2 reference?
So Night of Tears is basically Pearl Harbor in The Elder Scrolls?
The most important thing to learn from this video is "Don't piss off the Nords"
Unless your balls are bigger than theirs. A.K.A. barely anyone
The most important thing to learn is that human's are impulsive, rude, arrogant, and can't be trusted, and yes I play as Nord!
#ElfSuperiority
@@jacrispy3275 Don't say that, all of the races are equal.
@@andrewrauch5807 - I was just joking, but no, they're not equal. Some are stronger than others, some are hated & prejudiced against, etc. I wouldn't exactly call that equal. This is TES, not real life.
Nate, shoutout to you for keeping these videos coming. Always entertaining and always well produced. 👏🏼
And Todd Howard is in quarantine like the rest of us oh, I almost crashed my car listening to that!
Shouldn't you have been inside?
I think the mini falmer is for when you activate de ruins defense system and the automatons dwarven centurion smacks those tiny falmer , making the centurion look boss
I'm so glad you explained to me the mini falmer, I was playing and ran into two, one was miniature and one was normal sized haha. I had to take a screenshot it was so bizarre.
"Ysgramor is no hero, he's just a bad guy that won." You sound like a bloody elf to me...
Die Thalmor!😂
Well, the elfs murdered his family and frends to death. So... an eye for an eye, I guess.
@@totalwarANGEL It's not even comparable. The Snow Elves attacked one city in fear of the Eye of Magnus potentially being used for conquest by the Nords. Ysgramor literally committed a genocide on an entire race.
@@adrian2461000 Yeah well who told them to fuck with the Nords? Stupid bloody elves!
@@adrian2461000 Instead of talking - what a advanced race like the elves should prefer to do - they attacked. I don't say reaction of the nords was right but the elves were not right either. They provoked the Nords and had to deal with the concequences.
1:37 in Europa (I wait always for your videos).It s night but it s nice to look at your work..Good luck
Nate: Makes a video about Falmer Facts we might not know
Also Nate in the Intro: Completely leaves out the night of tears as the reason why Ysgramor and his 500 companions conquered skyrim and drove the snow-elves to extinction.
Yeah, but that's assuming the Night of Tears was unprovoked... we don't know for sure
“Innocent” is quite a bit generous of a word for the snow elves, after all they showed no mercy to shorthal and all the “reasons” people have hypothesized aren’t good enough of an excuse. The snow elves started the fight in such a cruel way I don’t judge how the nords decided to retaliate.
The Nords were in Snow Elf territory on sufferance. They were foreigners who were not invited; squatters if you will. We do not know what may have sparked the Snow Elf actions because naturally the Nords aren't going to tell us about it if there was one, or more, reasons. All I know is that the Snow Elves could have slaughtered them on the beachheads righteously as defending their land from invaders, but they didn't. Most elves aren't as impulsive as humans; I doubt they would have taken their action at Saarthal without due consideration of consequences and found it important enough to take the risk.
@@pedigreeann I'm sure I heard it was the Nords slaughtered somewhere, I'm not sure tho
@firemonster221 but I thought the eye of magnus that was found in sarthaal led to the elves attacking sarthaal for the power the orb held.
though keep in mind that I am more asking than stating rn, as you seem to know the lore waaaay better than I do.
@firemonster221 ty for that helpful info, actually been wondering where yall end up getting so into the lore, Ive known about the imperial library website but can never figure out how to work it, and currently with my shite internet itd take me 10 minutes just to load up the damned page :/
EDIT: also no problem about the reminder lol
@firemonster221
You think the Snow Elves wouldn't have asked them to leave? I mean, that doesn't make sense. A massacre wouldn't have happened without the Snow Elves being angered/provoked.
OH THAT LINE I LOVE IT "he was no hero, he was just a bad guy that won."
First Wispmother that murdered me did so cos I was walking around staring at the wisps, wondering what they were.
Falmer builders could explain why Windhelm's architecture is quite different from earlier Nordic settlements.
Caves beneath Dawnstar? There's the Dark Brotherhood's HQ after Falkreath gets wrecked.
hell yes ive been wondering more about falmer recently. always on point thanks natee
17:30 definitely the best one you’ve come up with
“And Todd Howard.... Is probably in quarantine like the rest of us”
Except me, I’m still out working
Natas White stay strong bro
Same! Stay safe!
My cousin's out there fighting Corona virus, and what do I get?
Watching Nate's videos.
To be fair to the Nords, the companion’s conquest was a retaliatory strike. The first human settlers lived side-by-side with the snow elves.... until the night of tears, when the snow elves betrayed them and murder them in a single night. The survivors brought the story back to Ysgramor
Ysgramor was still a hero. Remember the events that started things in the first place. The Falmer beseiged a peaceful human settlement, murdering everyone inside and taking Ysgramor and others as slaves. He was enslaved for part of his youth, and then escaped to return to Atmora and seek help there, then returning with a conquering army. In his position I'd probably want to kill all the Falmer too.
Hell, the empire itself exists as a result of humans enslaved by the Ayleid elves revolting and overthrowing their masters.
It seems that throughout Tamriel's history, when elves have supremacy, they use it to enslave men. The Thalmor are attempting to do so again.
Yeah I can't really feel bad for genocidal elves getting wiped out
Whilst Ysgramor and Tiber Septim aren't heroes, neither are the Falmer and Ayleids.
Well now that I think about it, Tiber Septim was a real evil prick. He used a Numidiam to murder a bunch of innocent people
Do you not pay attention to detail. What did the Eye of Magnus almost do to the College of Winterhold, IT ALMOST DESTROYED IT! Would you want an impulsive and not patient race wielding something with that kind of power! Secondly, the Snow Elves enslaved the human race because they knew that they had to keep an eye on them or they'd blow up the world! Third, the Ayleid's did not just enslave humans, THEY USED THEM IN F***ING NECROMANTIC RITUALS WHICH ALL ELVES SEE AS EVIL! Finally, the Thalmor are but a faction of the Altmer race, many of the Altmer are afraid to speak out against the Thalmor because they are afraid that the Thalmor will MURDER them! The Snow Elves were in the right and the Nords were in the wrong and I've got more evidence than that!
@@blevins3053 Sure, like the Nords haven't been at one time or another!
@@metetural9140 Exactly, thank god that somebody else sees that!
Started to play Skyrim again but with mods, so I naturally went back to Nate
Last time I was this early, Alduin didn't even exist yet.
Last time I was this early, Lorkan still alive that his heart is still intact
I got to thinking, I might be Dragonborn aswell, and I just don’t know it.
If i was a dragon I would eat your arms and legs and leave you a nugget for the falmer you swit
Last time I was this early, I was sleeping in the back of a prison wagon.
speaking of snow-elves, at the inner sanctum in the forgotten vale, if you hop the railing at the sanctum-end of the bridge, and turn west (being careful not to fall off, it's a long way down), there's an archway, next to a half buried skeleton with an unremovable circlet, three gemstones, and an elven sword.
The Falmer? They might be bad but they're not as bad as.. the dragonborn..
I've been dying for nearly 10 years now please help me.
But but.. Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am I saying.. Of course you don’t.
You've got no PUUUUUUUSSSSYYY
Wait, I know you...
I'm taking you back to Manslayer.
@@Khaotic_Karibo your making a mistake
@@slayer19978 No, your a wanted man and your going to pay for your crimes.
11:30 that's basically what every slave ever had to do
Yeah but this guy is hailed as some "hero" who was just so great and tragic that he's loved by all nord.
Not all slaves were treated the same back in the day even in our world, and Windhelm is a big, grand city. The fact the enslaved Snow Elves even had to build such a thing must've even a daunting task, one that they were all slaughtered after making
You should have mentioned the wild falmer. In the forgotten vale when you follow the river downwards, you will drop into a cave. There you will encounter them. They are completely naked and attack with their bare blood riddled claws. It seems like not many people know about them, since they are never mentioned.
I'm loving this little beast series so far I hope it'll continue! The story of the snow elves/falmer was always one of the most interesting things about the game to me
BA da da da da I'm lovin it
Nate, do bear in mind that it wasn't Ysgramor who started the war, it was the elves who first sacked and destroyed Saarthal, the first settlement of the Atmorans just beacause they wanted to control the Eye of Magnus.
I always felt that that's just a weak Lore excuse to make the "Nords" not stereotypically look like colonizers and murderers.
Thanks for posting all these videos Nate. Its really helped me get through these tough times
Last time i was this early in my game nazeem was still alive
Did you send him to the cloud district what am I saying of course you did
@@jaqaunjones9746 I sent him to Manslayer😈
I really love how the falmer use chaurus bugs as livestock. Not for food, really, but to make houses and chests and swords and armor and gates and poorly constructed bridges with incredible craftsmanship, despite the fact they are blind.
This has given me great inspiration for my next playthrough, thank you!
If they ever make an oblivion remaster, there should be a line that replaces the famous high elf line. It would be simple and simply ask, “have you heard of the snow elves?”
At this rate no matter how repetitive these videos get when watched in bulk i find comfort in learning stuff in a game i have like over 200 hrs in
Noob.
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Last time I was this early, the snow elves still had their vision.
Lol the part about Todd being in quarantine got me.
A video about the entire history of the dark brotherhood would be nice. You could use facts and theories, mentioned in previous videos and do a timeline, if it is possible. I think this has huge potential. Maybe there are some books, which tell about the founding and the different happenings in the past. You could that with the college of winterhold, the thieves guild, the blades, morag tong, the companions, the nightingales or some orc fractions. Maybe you want to do some videos about the fractions of Oblivion or older Elder Scrolls games.
Btw love your videos. Keep up the great work
I think camelworks and fudgemuppet did some if not all of these. If not directly, then in passing. ESO also covers a lot of lore in his play throughs. Not sure who of them are still active, I'm catching up on not having consistent net for the last 2 years.
This my favorite "5 Things..." video. Hands down. Great job Nate!
The Falmer shouldn't have betrayed the Nords. Really was a glowing ball worth everything that happened to them.
The Snow Elves were doomed no matter how you look at it. The Dragons were coming over with the Nords and they would have subjugated the Snow Elves. Also, the Snow Elf's highest religious figure was turned into a vampire (yes hundreds or thousands of years later, but that would have devastated them as well).
Uh yeah, if you knew that a race that is impulsive and doesn't think things through has a weapon that could possibly unmake all of creation, would you want them to have it. The Snow Elves were only trying to prevent the Nords from doing something terrible. Even the Psijic Monk in the College of Winterhold's quest line said that the world was not ready for such a thing. The Snow Elves were only trying to protect the world, so don't go talking bad about them when their intentions were FAR from malevolent and self-centered.
@@andrewrauch5807 No. They lived in peace for years. They traded. Taught each other magic, culture, smithing, and combat techniques. The Falmer betrayed the nords when they found the Eye of Magnus. They slaughtered countless innocent people for an artifact they didn't even understand themselves. The elves are just as if not more impulsive than the nords. The elves literally think themselves gods . No matter how many times the gods curse them for their heresy
@@andrewrauch5807 if that is true they shouldn't have murdered everyone instead should have talked with and convinced them to work with the elves to seal it away
@@DarkSeraph95 The elves knew that the Eye could destroy the world if tampered with. They were attempting to protect all of life. If they did not act, the Nords would have, then all of Nirn would have suffered. You're not looking at the dangerous potential that the Eye has. No good could have come from the Nords having it, and if the Snow Elves knew nothing about it, why then did they leave it. They did know something, they knew that it was dangerous.
Wow, you never cease to blow my mind with skyrim stuff. I love it, keep em coming!
We need Nate in ES6. Perhaps as a scholar that studies the creatures and secrets of the land
Absolutely love the videos, can't get enough