They both look very good here, actually. And it seems to be one of those moments where Billy is more relaxed and D'Arcy is not off her tits and you get to see a bit of the old chemistry between them.
@@reck0n3r D'arcy? She was so full of herself while in the band, which led to her quitting. She became a wreck. She got into drugs pretty bad and got cosmetic surgery done. Google her and try to find some recent photos of her. She's unrecognizable. She's super negative and full of resentment. Any interview she's done over the past 20 years she just complains. Despite her negativity, Billy gave her several chances to rejoin the band, but she refused. He was doing that for the fans because he knows so many SP fans would love to see her back. She's not interested though. Do a bit of googling and you'll see.
@@alukuhito Appreciate the update. That's rough. Sometimes it's hard to blame people because a lot of these situations are due to bad childhoods, not necessarily even being poor, but experiencing some form of neglect or abuse, so drugs become an outlet, and a very understandable one. Most of the world turns to becoming corporate soulless zombies instead, which is generally socially acceptable. This isn't to say D'Arcy probably f'd up somehow, but the other side is that at least she didn't turn to exploitative corporatism. But then again, I guess everyone's got a story. It's unfortunate that she didn't take Billy on his invites, but maybe she has her reasons. Appreciate your update though and I'll do some googling to see what's up...though I bet a lot of it second and third hand stories. I'm still super thankful for her part in SP. Hopefully she can recover from the other issues.
Didn't Billy have to play the bass parts on most of the Pumpkins albums? She probably turned to drugs from impostor syndrome because she knew deep down she was just a pretty girl faking being a real musician.
@@DarkArterialGoreBilly played the bass and all the guitars on Siamese Dream, but not necessarily because James and Darcy couldn’t play the parts, but he’s just a control freak and it was just easier to do everything himself If you listen to live recordings, she always played the parts perfectly and held the groove down
@@alukuhito her nickname : D'amore Seen her? Not yet.. Maybe next month.. D'addict? No problem at all, because she have no addiction problem.. Just a simple user,. Like you..
@@erom7904 D'Arcy and James was kinda people who directs Billy's creativity in the right way, Billy by himself have a bad taste, Jimmy knows only his drums. So without Retzky and Iha Smashing Pumpkins is not the same band at all. Corgan is that type of genius, who needs support of wise and kind people, like family, beside of him.
Billy was a schmuck and D'arcy developed a terrible drug problem. They were great friends then and clearly loved and respected each other. I'd love to see them work things out.
It's weird to watch because there is some level of... tension? between them, like a boss trying to play cool and nice with an employee, but you can clearly see _something_ wrong. It's like in 2:14, how Billy gets quickly annoyed because she is talking over him.
Watch Billy's rapid eye blinks as he reacts to D'arcy saying there is 6 different versions to 30 songs. He's taking her comment as a personal criticism of himself. I think this is ultimately what led to her departure from the band, was Billy's sort of authoritarian ownership of the band. Just my opinion .
For sure. Billy admitted (Rogan podcast) he was often dismissive of the others' contributions because he was the strongest personality and embraced taking the creative credit, media attention, adulation, SONGWRITING money, etc. So he quickly became more famous, richer and more of a controlling presence creatively, promotionally and business wise. Everyone became disenchanted with each other and they began suing each other. Now that Billy is older, he has a healthy perspective and has tried to mend fences -- and make money for everyone -- but some wounds won't heal. Even in the 90s, how many MTV interviews did poor James just sit silently through and stare at his shoes? 😆
I mean to be fair he literally created 98% of their songs and basically produced them. The band members were good at their jobs for sure especially Jimmy
@@jetrobertsdj Great interview, it really showed how messed up the music bussiness is. That world will drag almost anybody down, must be a crazy experience to be that rich and famous at that age. his ego got the better of him, he seemed remorseful on the podcast but also quite stoic about it.
If you've listened to other interviews Billy said musically they all were always on the same page, it was other things that caused tensions in the band, but never the music. D'Arcy left because she had a drug addiction problem at the time, which was documented with a subsequent arrest.
my collection is still missing mellon collie, i just can't afford a damn copy i can't spend 500 bucks for a standard double LP (as offered last week on ebay), for some capitalist reason it's almost impossible to find SP vinyl, either serials or first presses.. i don't know a band who's standard vinyl are more expensive and rare.. why is that..
I don't trust Kiedis after he forced Mr. BUNGLE out of festivals back in the day because he claimed Mike Patton stole his dance moves. Listen, Anthony, dance moves are dance moves, and OBVIOUSLY you were consumed with jealousy because Mike P can OUT dance.OUT Sing, and OUT perform you any day, Bro.
the bits in this where d'arcy, drugged out of her mind, is talking and Corgan is listening or looking over at her as she talks are actually kind of heartbreaking. he's observing the ruin of a loved one in real time. check around 1:14 for example. his eyes are sad as he watches her talk. she's on another planet. And in the bits where she tries to interact w him here he won't look at her and never cracks a smile even when she's smiling and trying to act like a bandmate. They do not feel like bandmates here or like they're on the same level or in the same place. He's sober and doing well and she's going a different direction. Sad video.
I guess you're seeing what you think you should be seeing, because I don't see that at all. He's attentive and listening to what she's saying. This interview they are both professional and focused, none of the snarky stuff that sometimes happened between them. The band got on well during this whole period, it only started falling apart again on the Arising! tour and the recording sessions for Machina.
@@johnniea4684 No, I'm seeing what's on the screen. He's looking at her and he's sad. I nowhere said or implied he wasn't being attentive to what she was saying. And lol at saying she is 'professional and focused' here. She's on six kinds of drugs in this interview and looks and sounds crazy. And no the Pumpkins never got on well.
@@HockeyNationHD She sounds exactly like she always did. Even Billy says she and James were doing drugs as far back as 92 when recording Siamese Dream. I'm not claiming to have some mystical power to detect what a person is thinking from looking at a video, which I think you are tbh, influenced by the knowledge of what would happen later. The band got on as well as it ever had recording MCIS and Adore, nobody said they were tight or anything. For Adore the workload was lighter and the touring not as extensive, which D'arcy was very happy with.
Yeah, that's how their relationship has been ever since they met. They argued about a band outside of a club in the late 80's and their "friendship" began.
Not sure what makes you think that, she looks exactly like she always did facially here. This is her real face. She's just high and not wearing eye makeup. The surgery started before their last little tour w her in 99 I think it was. She showed up to that w her lips huge and ruined and weird, wore really weird outfits totally unlike her (cowboy hat and sleeveless band t-shirts), and acted and looked like she was high on who knows what. She's super high in this clip but still has the pretty face God gave her. To my eye, anyway. I'm not privy to her medical records. But yea I think the lips were the first thing, and that happened between this and the 99 mini tour.
@@larrygarcia6356 i thought so too but then i googled for reference and if you look at the pics of her from 93 or whatever in the European festival (big sunglasses, purple shirt) her lips match this. it's possible she had started on them already here but i don't think so. women have ways of pumping their lips up a bit wo permanent surgery.
@@larrygarcia6356 yea looking at the 93 pics again my best guess is the difference here is just she put the lipstick on more widely on the mouth, otherwise it's the same.
Who cares if she does drugs. Let people live their life. We have no idea what it's like to be her. She actually looks pretty yummy to me right here. Most of your favorite music songs were fuled by drugs and or depression, be thankful they made great music. Geeez
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Billy never looked better, total prime. Nothing beats the original lineup.
Well the hair...
at this time there was no original line up. Jimmy was fired and they had other drummer and a percussionist
Agreed, he was smoking hot, still is.
Yeah I definitely like how thin Billy looks more than Chubs McGee that he's been lately.
They both look very good here, actually. And it seems to be one of those moments where Billy is more relaxed and D'Arcy is not off her tits and you get to see a bit of the old chemistry between them.
I would absolutely love to see these two reunited. Ik billy says it will never happen, but I’m still hoping...
keep hoping,its over
She's only a shadow of her former self.
@@alukuhito What happened?
@@reck0n3r D'arcy? She was so full of herself while in the band, which led to her quitting. She became a wreck. She got into drugs pretty bad and got cosmetic surgery done. Google her and try to find some recent photos of her. She's unrecognizable. She's super negative and full of resentment. Any interview she's done over the past 20 years she just complains. Despite her negativity, Billy gave her several chances to rejoin the band, but she refused. He was doing that for the fans because he knows so many SP fans would love to see her back. She's not interested though. Do a bit of googling and you'll see.
@@alukuhito Appreciate the update. That's rough. Sometimes it's hard to blame people because a lot of these situations are due to bad childhoods, not necessarily even being poor, but experiencing some form of neglect or abuse, so drugs become an outlet, and a very understandable one. Most of the world turns to becoming corporate soulless zombies instead, which is generally socially acceptable. This isn't to say D'Arcy probably f'd up somehow, but the other side is that at least she didn't turn to exploitative corporatism. But then again, I guess everyone's got a story.
It's unfortunate that she didn't take Billy on his invites, but maybe she has her reasons.
Appreciate your update though and I'll do some googling to see what's up...though I bet a lot of it second and third hand stories. I'm still super thankful for her part in SP. Hopefully she can recover from the other issues.
She made the band feel like a band and not a solo act
?? She was a shit bass player!
She was average
@@josephm3615 Life is so rich & full when you see what's unique about each person. Calling someone "average" simply misses the point.
Didn't Billy have to play the bass parts on most of the Pumpkins albums? She probably turned to drugs from impostor syndrome because she knew deep down she was just a pretty girl faking being a real musician.
@@DarkArterialGoreBilly played the bass and all the guitars on Siamese Dream, but not necessarily because James and Darcy couldn’t play the parts, but he’s just a control freak and it was just easier to do everything himself
If you listen to live recordings, she always played the parts perfectly and held the groove down
D'Arcy ❤️❤️❤️
Poor girl. She's just starting her downward spiral.
D'archy... The cutest female bassist ever....
L.O.V.E
@@ojamaworld7385 Was that your nickname for her? Have you seen her lately? More like D'addict.
@@alukuhito her nickname : D'amore
Seen her? Not yet.. Maybe next month..
D'addict? No problem at all, because she have no addiction problem..
Just a simple user,. Like you..
Is ugly here
Billy & D’arcy made great music together.. I miss the original lineup
I am so grateful to be alive at the same time as these beautiful artists!
I never hears D'Arcy speak until right now. Crazy
To me the Smashing pumpkins aren’t really re-United until D’Arcy is there.
D'arcy is so gorgeous 😍😍😍
Not anymore lol
@@briandavis6043 gottemm
@@briandavis6043 Yeah she didn't age well. I assume drugs and hard living played a role in that too.
SP isn't SP without D'Arcy 💔
Not really, she didn't even play the bass on some of the albums, Billy and other musicians did. She was more like a tour musician/image band member
@@erom7904 SP isn't SP without D'Arcy 💔
@@oct678 Check out Oceania. Its incredible.
She was the most expendable member of the band.
SP members in order of importance to the band: Billy, Jimmy, James, D'Arcy.
@@erom7904 D'Arcy and James was kinda people who directs Billy's creativity in the right way, Billy by himself have a bad taste, Jimmy knows only his drums. So without Retzky and Iha Smashing Pumpkins is not the same band at all. Corgan is that type of genius, who needs support of wise and kind people, like family, beside of him.
They was so beautiful together.
I love D'arcy
I love all 4 of them
D'Arcy had a great ability to finish Billy's sentences for him. Her last line in this video is perfect.
Darcy ❤️❤️
I had such a HUGE crush on D'arcy... I didn't take my eyes off of her the entire video..
She sure is a cutie 🥰
Darcy please come back! Soon!
0:27
Billy: "That's 180 versions"
Darcy: *gives thousand yard stare*
That's Juliette Lewis in a D'arcy disguise.
i downloaded this for my D'arcy archive thanks
send the link
I hope that SOUNDS more creepy than it is.
Wow D'arcy is soooo beautiful
*was
*WAS
She looks bizarre here.
Super rare, thanks for the upload!
Revisiting this album 💛💛💛 I can escape the real world when I listen to music like this.
I hope something gives and they all get back together.
D'arcy was such a Beauty. 😍😍
nice point d'arcy.. you are the smartest of them all.
Billy was a schmuck and D'arcy developed a terrible drug problem. They were great friends then and clearly loved and respected each other. I'd love to see them work things out.
There was so much toxic shit happening in that band. Amazing that they were able to make such great music
Aw this one had disappeared off youtube for ages
Darcy's lips look like they're going in a different direction already here.
This is cool never seen it before
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Crazy I just saw them at a festival in NJ less than a month ago. I saw them in 96 and 97 as well while in college.
Just stood there... tolerating each other...
He was actually really cute. I never noticed back then. I guess my taste was different! 😛
My 9th grade crushes: D'Arcy, Sean Yseult, brunette from Veruca Salt,
Look at these comments. She couldn't play bass for shit, so it's Billy on all the records playing her bits.
Look at yours! She played violin before playing bass, which is much harder. Corgan played bass on the first two albums and she was there for five.
It's weird to watch because there is some level of... tension? between them, like a boss trying to play cool and nice with an employee, but you can clearly see _something_ wrong. It's like in 2:14, how Billy gets quickly annoyed because she is talking over him.
Yupp. True.
wow she is lucky to be able to give her say in interviews
lol
Billy 'Ego Maniac' Corgan + the bass player
Watch Billy's rapid eye blinks as he reacts to D'arcy saying there is 6 different versions to 30 songs. He's taking her comment as a personal criticism of himself. I think this is ultimately what led to her departure from the band, was Billy's sort of authoritarian ownership of the band. Just my opinion .
For sure. Billy admitted (Rogan podcast) he was often dismissive of the others' contributions because he was the strongest personality and embraced taking the creative credit, media attention, adulation, SONGWRITING money, etc. So he quickly became more famous, richer and more of a controlling presence creatively, promotionally and business wise. Everyone became disenchanted with each other and they began suing each other. Now that Billy is older, he has a healthy perspective and has tried to mend fences -- and make money for everyone -- but some wounds won't heal. Even in the 90s, how many MTV interviews did poor James just sit silently through and stare at his shoes? 😆
I mean to be fair he literally created 98% of their songs and basically produced them. The band members were good at their jobs for sure especially Jimmy
@@jetrobertsdj Great interview, it really showed how messed up the music bussiness is. That world will drag almost anybody down, must be a crazy experience to be that rich and famous at that age. his ego got the better of him, he seemed remorseful on the podcast but also quite stoic about it.
If you've listened to other interviews Billy said musically they all were always on the same page, it was other things that caused tensions in the band, but never the music. D'Arcy left because she had a drug addiction problem at the time, which was documented with a subsequent arrest.
Or he was just doing math in his head
I love the band ... for ever ...
0:27 Super curious to see what happened after the camera cut there.. lol
he did a math flex on her and i don't think she liked it lol
She got annoyed I guess
He's the Roger Waters of grunge.
so right
D'Arcy
0:58 AHHHHHHHHH i thought they were dead for a second lol
I love Billy 🇰🇷
Very hot and sweet voice D'arcy 😍
On the records we love so much, Corgan and Chamberlain were the only players…
weird because darcy played on adore & MCIS
Corgan is kinda of a control freak.
That’s not true for Mellon Collie and that’s the best SP album. And they were amazing live when James and D’arcy where in the band
On Mellon Collie, it was more of a band recording.
what's your source?
Billy is a math wiz.
Billy is Mr Clean 🤓
D'arcy 😍
0:18 oops lol
He used to be a little boy
God look how young they are here
She can speak!!!!
Had no idea!!!!
In the 90s, D'Arcy was the most outspoken member of the band next to Billy
@@BlueSky...
ON camera?
Perhaps behind the scenes or on stage as they play or just prior or after but, on camera?
@@truthseeker6532 yeah, if you watch the band interviews, she usually had the most to say next to Billy. James and Jimmy were usually pretty quiet.
@@BlueSky...
Wow. Had no idea.
Watched a lot but, well, TY on that.
Too bad on her though. Even though, loved Billy keeping it to female position.
Billy Corgan never shuts up. Yak yak yak
It's too bad the original band couldn't stay together.
Дарси навсегда
Y Love Darci...cam back smashing pumpkins...now
these two will eventually reconnect. shoot, axl rose and slash didn't speak for 20 something years and now they're touring again.
Morrissey and Marr from The Smiths, Noel and Liam Gallagher from Oasis, Sting and The Police etc prove otherwise.
D'arcy is a quality
❤
We only have so much time on this Earth.
They need to put the Bullcrap aside to continue creating Great Music/Art together..👍🏼
Too bad Billy made it about himself music wise and pushed the band away. I truely believe that was the first nail in the Coffin.
Sometimes I forget how skinny Billy back in the day
Los amo ❤🔊🔊🔊🎶🎶🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Darcy made the band kool
my collection is still missing mellon collie, i just can't afford a damn copy i can't spend 500 bucks for a standard double LP (as offered last week on ebay), for some capitalist reason it's almost impossible to find SP vinyl, either serials or first presses.. i don't know a band who's standard vinyl are more expensive and rare.. why is that..
Anthony Kiedis said in Scar Tissue, as I am sure most of you know,that Darcy was nutso crazy. And that's coming from Kiedis.
I don't trust Kiedis after he forced Mr. BUNGLE out of festivals back in the day because he claimed Mike Patton stole his dance moves. Listen, Anthony, dance moves are dance moves, and OBVIOUSLY you were consumed with jealousy because Mike P can OUT dance.OUT Sing, and OUT perform you any day, Bro.
@@lizbec1085 obviously don't know him either but wouldn't trust him at all.
Hardly a trustworthy source, all things considered.
@@deaddoll1361 no he's not a good source. Not a good guy either.
and then Billy shaved off his hair and became a singing head
Great find
the bits in this where d'arcy, drugged out of her mind, is talking and Corgan is listening or looking over at her as she talks are actually kind of heartbreaking. he's observing the ruin of a loved one in real time. check around 1:14 for example. his eyes are sad as he watches her talk. she's on another planet. And in the bits where she tries to interact w him here he won't look at her and never cracks a smile even when she's smiling and trying to act like a bandmate. They do not feel like bandmates here or like they're on the same level or in the same place. He's sober and doing well and she's going a different direction. Sad video.
That's some stupid shit... 😅
@@lasteye8055 No, it isn't.
I guess you're seeing what you think you should be seeing, because I don't see that at all. He's attentive and listening to what she's saying. This interview they are both professional and focused, none of the snarky stuff that sometimes happened between them. The band got on well during this whole period, it only started falling apart again on the Arising! tour and the recording sessions for Machina.
@@johnniea4684 No, I'm seeing what's on the screen. He's looking at her and he's sad. I nowhere said or implied he wasn't being attentive to what she was saying. And lol at saying she is 'professional and focused' here. She's on six kinds of drugs in this interview and looks and sounds crazy. And no the Pumpkins never got on well.
@@HockeyNationHD She sounds exactly like she always did. Even Billy says she and James were doing drugs as far back as 92 when recording Siamese Dream. I'm not claiming to have some mystical power to detect what a person is thinking from looking at a video, which I think you are tbh, influenced by the knowledge of what would happen later. The band got on as well as it ever had recording MCIS and Adore, nobody said they were tight or anything. For Adore the workload was lighter and the touring not as extensive, which D'arcy was very happy with.
Are they fighting? More like disagreeing, low key passive aggrassive digs. I'm probably just high
Yeah, that's how their relationship has been ever since they met. They argued about a band outside of a club in the late 80's and their "friendship" began.
Fuaaq... 23años despues
I used to date her
Tell us stories!
I love D'arcy, but she kind of looks like Marlon Wayans from "White Chicks" here
Yo why do they look like a couple here. Would’ve been cool to see them date
That would've been tumultuous to say the least...
D'arcy and James Iha dated.
Does her name need a an apostrophe in it?
Looks like she just started her plastic surgery process here. Then she looked completely different later after.
Not sure what makes you think that, she looks exactly like she always did facially here. This is her real face. She's just high and not wearing eye makeup. The surgery started before their last little tour w her in 99 I think it was. She showed up to that w her lips huge and ruined and weird, wore really weird outfits totally unlike her (cowboy hat and sleeveless band t-shirts), and acted and looked like she was high on who knows what. She's super high in this clip but still has the pretty face God gave her. To my eye, anyway. I'm not privy to her medical records. But yea I think the lips were the first thing, and that happened between this and the 99 mini tour.
@@HockeyNationHD no she does look different here. Her lips are bigger here but that’s it. From there, it was all downhill.
@@larrygarcia6356 i thought so too but then i googled for reference and if you look at the pics of her from 93 or whatever in the European festival (big sunglasses, purple shirt) her lips match this. it's possible she had started on them already here but i don't think so. women have ways of pumping their lips up a bit wo permanent surgery.
@@larrygarcia6356 yea looking at the 93 pics again my best guess is the difference here is just she put the lipstick on more widely on the mouth, otherwise it's the same.
@@HockeyNationHD idk bro why would she smear it on more wide though? Still it’s heartbreaking looking at her most recent pics.
lol, why are they so close together?
Theyre Gen Xers... My generation.
S2 s2 s2
Who cares if she does drugs. Let people live their life. We have no idea what it's like to be her. She actually looks pretty yummy to me right here. Most of your favorite music songs were fuled by drugs and or depression, be thankful they made great music. Geeez
Billy ruined his own band!!! D'Arcy come back!
She ruined her face and her life.
She’s a drug addict and weirdo. And that is saying something considering she makes BC look normal.
Han sa nei han må dra.
Quit it...
Always the stupid "industry" ruining music, art......
This is what happen to bands when they start to take themselves to seriously: They just start talking waffle
Corgan always talked like this. He's been this since he was a kid probably. D'arcy is just high.
What’s the song playing at 1:51
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The end is the beginning is the end. Batman soundtrack.
@@crash1325 thanks
OH YEAAAH!
An incredibly lit track.
Crack is wack
Well
She is Jewish, you can totally tell.
Polish or Ukrainian from Chicago. I believe she is related to Wayne Gretsky (from Canada)
I LOVE how important they make this seem. AAAAAAAAH. Its just soooooo important. FUCKING FUNNY. they can hardly speak for the mundaineness ....
D'Arcy ❤️❤️❤️❤️