11 Ways To Be Creative With Any Drum Rudiment - Juan "Carlito" Mendoza

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2019
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    “I learned a rudiment. Now what do I do with it?”
    Juan Mendoza’s book Rudiment Creativity answers that question - and then some - by introducing 11 methods for adapting each rudiment to the drum set in a creative way. Anyone can play this stuff, not just seasoned drummers.
    In this game-changing video lesson, you’ll learn what those 11 methods are and how rudiments can be applied to grooves. Juan recommends starting with just one of the methods (get outside your comfort zone and choose one you wouldn’t normally think of) and exploring rudiments in a non-traditional sense.
    Lesson Index:
    0:21 - SONG: “Nada es Imposible” by Rene Gonzales
    4:24 - Introduction
    7:39 - Splitting hands
    10:37 - Moving the right hand
    11:55 - Moving the left hand
    14:55 - Sweeping inward & outward
    17:35 - Subdivision adjustment
    19:50 - Substitution
    21:25 - Displacement
    22:48 - Using a rudiment as an ostinato
    24:05 - Adding accents
    26:55 - Moving the accents
    29:09 - Changing the time signature
    31:00 - SOLO
    35:40 - Takeaways
    36:28 - SONG: “Odd Movements” by Damani Rhodes
    The Methods
    1. Splitting hands
    Instead of treating a rudiment pattern as a one surface exercise, split it between two surfaces (ie. snare and tom). Try with both right and left hand lead.
    2. Moving the right hand
    While playing the same pattern, start moving the right hand around the toms to create more textures.
    3. Moving the left hand
    You can keep moving the right hand around while you start moving the left around, or keep the right hand steady and move the left between the hi-hat and the snare.
    4. Sweeping inward & outward
    Create melodies by sweeping inward (letting the sound sources come toward the body) or sweeping outward (moving away from the body). Try this with a double stroke roll. In this video, Juan swings the doubles.
    5. Subdivision adjustment
    Give the pattern a different flavor. Play an 11 stroke roll (organized around a sextuplet) and breaking it up around the kit with different accents.
    6. Substitution
    Substitute one limb for a different one. Try playing a paradiddle diddle where you sub the left hand for the bass drum.
    7. Displacement
    Instead of always starting on the downbeat, put the ‘one’ on a partial or any subdivision.
    8. Use the rudiment as an ostinato
    Play paradiddles and put an accent on the downbeats. Use it in a groove context and get creative.
    9. Adding accents
    With that same paradiddle pattern, you can move the accounts around to the e, the and, the a, and so on. Paradiddles don’t have to sound mechanical; you can make them groove!
    10. Moving the accents
    Add accents to a double stroke roll. Move them around. Try combining them with sweeping in and out.
    11. Changing the time signature
    Let’s say you’d normally play a paradiddle with 16th notes in 4/4 or 6/8. Try playing it in 7/8, letting it drift over the bar line. This is a great way to train your ear so when you’re soloing or playing something tricky you can understand how everything falls into place.
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Комментарии • 265

  • @gp19
    @gp19 4 года назад +52

    Playing calmed and relaxed. Letting the mics do their job. I've been trying to apply that to my drumming. You feel so much better after a session. A+++

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +11

      Yeah I'm all about efficiency. Why work harder if we don't have to :)

  • @chaotangco
    @chaotangco 4 года назад +13

    He is the best drum teacher in youtube, ive seen so many tutorial my self, but this guy is so detailed that you will learn everything he teach, and he’s a beast in this category.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +4

      Thanks for checking out my youtube channel. Really means a lot to me and glad you got something out of the channel. Cheers!

  • @PipesMcDougal
    @PipesMcDougal 4 года назад +45

    My favorite part... " So you CAN play it as 16th notes, or 16th note triplets , but you're going to play it as 32nd notes and you're going to displace it."

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +11

      HAHAHA. Yeah you have no idea how much of a Savage Jared is haahhaa. He's a funny dude for sure!

  • @benanderson5270
    @benanderson5270 4 года назад +41

    I see Juan Carlito Mendoza, I click.

  • @martinkent_
    @martinkent_ 4 года назад +138

    You can tell he’s actually really good at teaching drums rather than just playing

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +41

      Thank you so much. Really means a lot to me because my lifetime goal is to be a quality player and instructor. Have an amazing day!

    • @jacobsingson12_
      @jacobsingson12_ 4 года назад +1

      Juan Carlito Mendoza yea i can agree youre an amazing teacher, but dude you have some amazing skills man! 🔥🔥🔥

    • @thrashmetaL1968
      @thrashmetaL1968 3 года назад

      @@JuanCarlitoMendoza my favorite drummer!

    • @timothymills1351
      @timothymills1351 3 года назад

      You still have to be really good at playing drums to win a 🎸 center drum off.

    • @adrieldiaz1980
      @adrieldiaz1980 2 года назад +1

      @@JuanCarlitoMendoza Are you Christian? I love René Gonzalez.

  • @linguisticsdrums9215
    @linguisticsdrums9215 4 года назад +8

    Currently practising and I'm really focused, this lesson truly galvanized me, thank you Juan Mendoza, eres el mejor

  • @MrMusic32150
    @MrMusic32150 4 года назад +4

    I'm just finishing this Drumeo video and wanted to say how impressed I am by your humility Juan. Totally unbragadocious (is that really a word?) and someone I could easily befriend. I'm a young drummer (at 69 y.o.) and just bought my 2nd electronic kit. I am so excited about learning to be a drummer. So many things in this presentation impressed me that I could sing praises of it at great length. For the producers, however, the audio cuts between drumming examples and Juan's explanations were quite bad, making it difficult to hear both, but you probably already noticed that. Anyway, one of the most impressive was at the end when Juan said, "there's always something to learn in music." I started as a percussionist in grade 3, transitioning to guitar around age 12, but never losing my urge to beat the heck out of something without hurting it. I will never stop learning, nor playing if I can help it. Thanks for making sure the lamp of learning stays lit Juan.

  • @wmbmatt
    @wmbmatt 4 года назад +3

    I’m glad this guy is on here. Very fast paced lesson, good for advanced drummers. Some people on here dumb things down and I get that it’s incredible useful information, but this guy actually challenges me and I love it.

  • @lousy4892
    @lousy4892 4 года назад +4

    So relaxed and smooth as always

  • @TabithaOrims
    @TabithaOrims 4 года назад +5

    I love his lesson. It really changed my drumming within one week.

  • @darrenbednarz8286
    @darrenbednarz8286 3 года назад +1

    Juan is a great instructor, he has a way with explaining the beats and putting them together in a way that I can remember, excellent teacher.

  • @paveltc
    @paveltc 2 года назад

    I really enjoyed this drum lesson. Thanks to everyone at Drumeo for creating such great content and thanks to all of the drummers who come and give lessons.
    I bought Juan Carlito Mendoza's book while watching. Can't wait to get it and start working through it.

  • @nixneato
    @nixneato 4 года назад +2

    How NOT to love this guy? Incredible drummer, up there with the Weckl's and Chambers', creative and groovy, yet so humble. Amazing lesson.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +2

      Honored to even be mentioned in that circle. Thank you so much and have an amazing day!

  • @JohnRayD
    @JohnRayD 4 года назад

    Lifelong inspiration!!!! May you never tire Juan!! God bless your anointing cuz that’s what it is!!🙏🏼

  • @mathewreed818
    @mathewreed818 4 года назад +1

    I've said it before and will continue to say it- Drumeo's audio engineering is top notch. The drums always sound perfect. Well done

  • @TheRealPabloAlbelda
    @TheRealPabloAlbelda 4 года назад +8

    I definitely have to come back to this lesson in the future to flesh out and understand everything cause damn... 21:10 just blew my mind. Just, great lesson

  • @TonyZaldivarDrummer
    @TonyZaldivarDrummer 4 года назад +13

    Eres el mejor en técnica actualmente maestro Juancarlitos!!! Bless always bro!!!

  • @Heathensrule
    @Heathensrule 2 года назад

    What a masterful display of control. Wow!

  • @hugueskoea76
    @hugueskoea76 4 года назад +1

    Superbe leçon de batterie, une méthode de travail efficace! Merci Monsieur "Juan" Carlito Mendoza

  • @nicolasderuiter1699
    @nicolasderuiter1699 3 года назад +1

    Best teacher/player I've seen so far -- sounds sooooo good

  • @CactusTeether
    @CactusTeether 4 года назад +1

    So nice to hear a drummer playing for the song. Relaxed, purpose serving, skilled musicianship, and he shines when he has the opportunity. 'Nuff said.

  • @luismoncada9280
    @luismoncada9280 4 года назад +2

    Juan Carlito. You are one of the best drummers I have known. keep up the good work. you take the drums to other levels, and it sounds awesome. God bless you. Great teacher, great drummer. you show what it really is; a lot of dedication and Passion for music. thank you very much .

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +1

      Thank you so much for the kind words. Really means a lot to me! Have an amazing day!

  • @ernestoirizarry4610
    @ernestoirizarry4610 4 года назад +12

    Papa, playing one of my favorite songs by Rene Gonzalez. Dios te bendiga

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +2

      Yeah man I love that song too! I HAD to play it for this session. Lots of fun to play!

  • @Feskprins
    @Feskprins 4 года назад +2

    Great to see Juan on Drumeo. Been following him for years. His independence is just bar none.

  • @kjthekunoichi
    @kjthekunoichi 4 года назад +3

    Man... me love the sound of the snare here... tight... comprehensive vid👍👍

  • @adrieldiaz1980
    @adrieldiaz1980 2 года назад

    Man, I didn't expect to hear a René González´ song here in this channel. ahhaah
    so much perfection.

  • @fernandocepeda724
    @fernandocepeda724 2 года назад +1

    Mucho sabor y sazón para un solo vídeo 🔥💪🏾

  • @Zero_Ego
    @Zero_Ego 4 года назад

    As a new drummer it can be a struggle to find new ideas in the hope of keeping that drive to want to practice. It is so easy to become disillusioned, even lost in a sea of exercises, some leaving you frustrated. It's the creativity that drives us. When you switch it off the desire diminishes. I am back for a second look at this introduction to using the rudiments creatively. Carlito has presented the mother load, something resonates loud, very loud. The creative juices flow with this undeniably brilliant creative approach in applying the rudiments in a new and exciting way. A big thank you to Juan "Carlito" Mendoza and Drumeo.

  • @nickhalverson1195
    @nickhalverson1195 4 года назад

    love you Juan this lesson was very helpful and without them my rudiments applied to the kit was terrible and now it is great and has improved my playing 10000%

  • @julsrique9148
    @julsrique9148 4 года назад

    Juan Carlito, nos has llevado a un viaje en el tiempo 25 años atrás con este arreglo! Wow ! Gracias por primero poner el evangelio al frente con este clásico de René! Gloria a Dios por tu vida!

  • @MishaGDrums
    @MishaGDrums 4 года назад +1

    Fantastic lesson, great concept - really powerful but practical and musical at the same time. Thanks for the examples (really complicated) - they demonstrate how far you can go with it. Sometimes it's so hard to avoid same old single stroke fills and get your head working in a creative way. This concept is universal remedy.

  • @lorenzopausillo6754
    @lorenzopausillo6754 4 года назад

    Very very useful method. Thanks Juan. Thanks Drumeo.

  • @vc7780
    @vc7780 4 года назад +1

    Nice and really creative rudiments you had good beats and timing was amazing thanks for helping me with these tips

  • @fredrikh3547
    @fredrikh3547 2 года назад

    Fantastic indeed! He is incredible.

  • @martinlwade6448
    @martinlwade6448 2 года назад

    Very brilliantly creative with the rudiments!

  • @Thedrummersalmanac
    @Thedrummersalmanac 4 года назад +1

    Amazing as always Carlos!

  • @youngd3niro824
    @youngd3niro824 9 месяцев назад

    I swear this gentleman is putting drum teachers outta business. Every vid I've seen of his is pure gold 🥇

  • @josephgiarraffa6379
    @josephgiarraffa6379 2 года назад

    I love your feel honesty I play a lot of that stuff but not as organized should I say or able to explain like you do where your an instructor and just polished so much I love it Your blessed to have drums as ur daily routine to be able to do what you do and teach it You are an inspiration to me for sure would learn a lot from you Bless you

  • @johnwooton
    @johnwooton 3 года назад

    This is pure gold!

  • @Neilus001
    @Neilus001 Год назад

    Wow.. just so complete. Great job Juan!
    I love your methodologies I wish I had this incite when I first started playing. I played percussion and drums for 24 years and walked away to broaden my horizons with other skills and opportunities. There is so much available now online and offline. Juan you have inspired me to get back into drumming and I have purchased a new electric Roland kit to get me started. Not professionally this time, this time is just for fun, play what I want to play. Thanks so much Juan and Drumeo I look forward to learning more than I have before.
    Cheers :}

  • @JohnMaasakkers
    @JohnMaasakkers 3 года назад

    Very creative!!! and good energy on teaching and enthusiastic explanation, love this and make's me to move to the practice cabine:)) thank's for all the good vibe's guy's!!!

  • @venus6588
    @venus6588 4 года назад +2

    Drumeo is my drum school.God bless you Jared.

  • @BoomerMusicCompany
    @BoomerMusicCompany Год назад

    Dang! Great playing and great explanations. Cool exercises, thank you!

  • @pgale
    @pgale 4 года назад

    What a great lesson thank you

  • @djstickxb2615
    @djstickxb2615 4 года назад +2

    That solo and last song..OMG🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @MeshemSchoolOfDrums
    @MeshemSchoolOfDrums 4 года назад +25

    It’s always cool when my students start realizing the importance of rudiments in their playing.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +1

      Absolutely!

    • @purpleheartscott8553
      @purpleheartscott8553 4 года назад

      Maybe I haven’t watched enough of the video but when would dead stick ab double dead sticks be utilized. When I do you tune searches on utilizing dead stick......nothing.

  • @lavishd.4347
    @lavishd.4347 3 года назад +1

    Incredible talent with some real advanced chops...combination of Weckl/Vinnie and Horacio/Robbie Ameen...plus a great teacher 😀

  • @mosesliberty3420
    @mosesliberty3420 3 года назад

    I've learnt so much from Carlito Mendoza!
    Most grateful sir

  • @timurshaipov682
    @timurshaipov682 4 года назад +25

    This guy is kinda crazy at drums. When I look at him it’s like “How the hell he’s doing these things?”
    Hope his book will be avaliable in Russia

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +3

      Already is: Look here: www.lulu.com/spotlight/juancarlitomendoza

    • @vinnyvidivici5930
      @vinnyvidivici5930 4 года назад +2

      Hey Juan. Big fan! What kit is this you’re playing here? I’m in the market for a new kit and this one sounds heavenly! Thx God bless!

    • @RobertoGonzalez-ot8hn
      @RobertoGonzalez-ot8hn 3 года назад

      He is Puerto Rican, we Puerto Ricans got "skills", good musicians, boxers, baseball players, and actors, just saying, lol. Love your "chops" Juan. I got you on my list of my favorite drummers, just so you know i got Neal Peart, Stewart Copeland, and Jeff Porcaro on that list, no pressure, lol. Dios te bendiga.

  • @paulomr1951
    @paulomr1951 2 года назад

    Just awesome! Thanks Jared. From an old brazilian man lovin' drums

  • @Post-Alone
    @Post-Alone 2 года назад

    I was like yeah! Yeah! I got this!... then he did the solo ... shivers!! 🤘🤘🥁🥁

  • @nathaniellollis3868
    @nathaniellollis3868 3 года назад +1

    I LOVE this guy Juan "Carlito" Mendoza! And it's really GREAT to hear some Latin rhythms! That stuff gets the blood flowing PROPER!!!! LOL!!!!

  • @FLAMANGO12123
    @FLAMANGO12123 2 года назад

    Outstanding! Juan congrats, lovely as always, I'm trying to learn it's not easy, I love the cowbell on the songs, like Mark Antony, thanks !

  • @rolandobarraza3673
    @rolandobarraza3673 4 года назад

    Excelente Maestro Felicidades

  • @boipelosethdrummermothibe3010
    @boipelosethdrummermothibe3010 4 года назад +1

    Thank you Mr Juan

  • @samstheman247
    @samstheman247 3 года назад +2

    Love that small hi-hat!

  • @marcelometal9355
    @marcelometal9355 4 года назад +3

    Grande carlitos un temazo siempre miro tus vídeos y se aprende muchísimo muy buen nivel bendiciones saludos desde Argentina

  • @pixellite3413
    @pixellite3413 4 года назад +1

    nice playing and very simpático...

  • @Egalitarianism-qx8mf
    @Egalitarianism-qx8mf 4 года назад +1

    This guy is killer!!!!! Awesome drum lesson!!

  • @ThePumaHiFi
    @ThePumaHiFi 4 года назад

    Carlito ‘s Way ... un verdadero Campeón. Felicitaciones 🍾

  • @dmitrybogatsky1734
    @dmitrybogatsky1734 4 года назад +1

    Great lesson! Juan is a real PRO

  • @trevormcmanis
    @trevormcmanis 4 года назад

    Great stuff 👍🏻🥁👍🏻

  • @Twirots
    @Twirots 4 года назад +2

    Este hombre es un genio.

  • @miguelsaavedrums
    @miguelsaavedrums 4 года назад

    Love this guy

  • @travispick5160
    @travispick5160 4 года назад

    That very first inverted flam tap is straight out of 7empest. Gotta love when lessons apply to tool. "Calm before the torrent comes"

  • @markoconnell804
    @markoconnell804 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for teaching me. This I might be able to do. I will first have to learn the rudiment thing you do. I am so new at drumming.

    • @djstickxb2615
      @djstickxb2615 4 года назад

      Dont feel bad ive only been playin 1 yr as of last week.. Got alot of work to do lol

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад

      Hey Mark! Yeah just take your time. It's not a race. Play at your own speed/pace and slowly put the click up in small increments. Keep pushing!

  • @SESC1711
    @SESC1711 4 года назад +1

    excelente clase

  • @JaykleMusic
    @JaykleMusic 2 года назад

    I love this video he is a fantastic player thie was very inspiring

  • @giorez
    @giorez 4 года назад +1

    He's an EXCELLENT teacher, for sure!

  • @cx777o
    @cx777o 4 года назад +2

    Man carlito you nailed that last track!! I can take away so much of your playing :)

  • @cheekydollar
    @cheekydollar 4 года назад +23

    Was there meant to be a PDF, I can't see a link anywhere? 🤔

    • @stephenutterback5704
      @stephenutterback5704 4 года назад +1

      cheekydollar the PDFs are exclusive to members of drumeo.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +14

      I think the PDF is available for Drumeo Edge Members. Not sure as this is out of my control. Sorry about that!

  • @james12erby43
    @james12erby43 4 года назад +1

    My teacher, and new mentor!

  • @alexgonzalezjr6823
    @alexgonzalezjr6823 4 года назад

    great video!

  • @TeclaSAPcomUlissesCarvalho
    @TeclaSAPcomUlissesCarvalho 4 года назад +1

    👏👏👏👏👏 Blown away! Juan Carlito Mendoza combines all the characteristics of a great educator and those of an amazing performer. See ya'! Gotta get back to my kit right now! 😊

  • @juanmarquez9765
    @juanmarquez9765 4 года назад

    Badass solo!

  • @Megamatthiesen
    @Megamatthiesen Год назад

    Awesome...inspiring.....a seriously committed hard working guy who loves drums and music...Thx 🔥🥁🔥🌎❤️

  • @matyasmeszaros1904
    @matyasmeszaros1904 4 года назад

    Brilliant!

  • @guitariste47
    @guitariste47 4 года назад +1

    he's a human machine, ever so precise

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад

      Thanks, but definitely I'm definitely not perfect ;)

  • @opaulodetarso
    @opaulodetarso 4 года назад +1

    Monstruoso

  • @thatdrumguy-hd5zx
    @thatdrumguy-hd5zx 4 года назад +1

    My kit playing improved greatly as I participated in dci. Why? Those rudiments matter! Thanks for an incredible lesson. Now go home and play some pattaflaflas around the kit!!

  • @MrRandsauce
    @MrRandsauce 4 года назад +1

    that was great

  • @chrisbaune9
    @chrisbaune9 2 года назад

    That limb independence. Wow. Incredible.

  • @abdonguinez6615
    @abdonguinez6615 3 года назад

    Temazo de rené gonzalez!

  • @drumken
    @drumken 4 года назад

    As an off topic. Yesterday I just found out about those MEZE 99 Classic headphones made in Romania. And I see Jared is using them. They look so good with that walnut and gold on. Their top of the line is the Empyrean (with an innovative system, one of the best headphones out there, a handmade piece of art).

  • @adamwestover2340
    @adamwestover2340 4 года назад +2

    Juan, your kits sounds incredible! Can you tell me more about your tom tuning method? I just ordered your book.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +5

      Hey Adam! For me I experiment with the range as much as possible. Every drum is different so you have to see where the "sweet spot" is for the resonance. Once it starts choking out, I start loosening the lugs to find the most resonance. I also tune the bottom head tighter than the resonant side head in order to get maximize the resonance of the drum and get a pitch bend. Also, thank you so much for your support!

  • @ejeuceda
    @ejeuceda 3 года назад

    Me encanto la musica que usastes de rene gonzales nada es imposible Dios te bendiga mi hermano

  • @barrymutapa274
    @barrymutapa274 4 года назад +1

    woow i have learnt a lot here juan carlito mendoza creativity is key

  • @r.mercado9737
    @r.mercado9737 2 месяца назад

    IMPRESSIVE! Semper FI

  • @JoeNocella
    @JoeNocella 4 года назад +1

    Great stuff. The first flam pattern reminds me of Steve Smith at PASIC 2017. He demonstrated the same thing split up on the toms.

    • @JuanCarlitoMendoza
      @JuanCarlitoMendoza 4 года назад +1

      Oh I have to check it out! Have a link I check out? Thanks!

    • @JoeNocella
      @JoeNocella 4 года назад +1

      @@JuanCarlitoMendoza This whole video is excellent. Around the 19:00 mark he starts splitting up the flam tap and flam accents on the drums. ruclips.net/video/xUIAWc8LFg0/видео.html

  • @juliusCR3
    @juliusCR3 2 года назад

    Very cool… 👊

  • @GraceJTheodelefthanded
    @GraceJTheodelefthanded 4 года назад +1

    3.28 THAT SWING MOVE!!

  • @LVDrum
    @LVDrum 4 года назад

    Genius 🥁🙌🔥🤯🤓

  • @cobra1995xx
    @cobra1995xx 4 года назад

    He had me folllwing along until my brain exploded @ 13:40 lol.. great stuff

  • @KimNyzChannel
    @KimNyzChannel 4 года назад

    tnx much

  • @japaobateradrums2067
    @japaobateradrums2067 2 года назад +1

    Eita pegaaaa toop lembra-se bateras unidos jamais serão vencidos 🥁

  • @JulianFernandez
    @JulianFernandez 4 года назад +1

    2:51 YEAH!

  • @jamesberlo4298
    @jamesberlo4298 4 года назад

    Man , this Kid is GOOD !

  • @elyseegroove1230
    @elyseegroove1230 2 года назад

    Good morning teacher . You are the best in my favorite drummer and i want become like you

  • @lucasnunez5742
    @lucasnunez5742 4 года назад

    Muy bueno

  • @user-km9th6ox3r
    @user-km9th6ox3r 3 года назад

    tnx sor