@@ThePencilNerd I think the idea is the SOL's concentrated laser energy is accurate to within a meter, hence the first shot blew Tetsuo's arm off and nothing else. Anything outside that meter radius is just hit with the kinetic energy of the original blast
@@drifter402 It means the same, Akira is 34 years old and it still holds up against nowaday's animations. But the aging part is not for the animation itself, it's for how fucking good this movie was, it influenced hundreds if not thousands of media until today, those subtle references to the movie shows how important it was to anime history.
@@rigel8755 No it's stupid. It's not "ahead of it's time" if the medium of animation has gotten generally worse. It's not a constant upward curve like video game graphics. Animation doesn't "age." It's a stupid term that is so overused.
THINK TETSUO I beat the shit out of a guy named immortal 2 times I fucking killed an alien race for flying to fast How in the fuck do you think you can beat me
Despite Akira’s actually being the most realistic and feasible of the two (also my favorite) I did think the sound effect of invincible’s hammer was kinda cool, even if there really shouldn’t be any sound at all xD
Akira's SOL looks WAY more badass, even the strikes are better. First time I saw Akira, I bet I was 5 years old and I knew it was good. Ive never been a fan of anime, Akira and Lupin III are the only exceptions. Akira mostly, the talent and determination it must've taken to put that movie together... I don't have the words lol even after 25 years, I'm impressed every time I watch it(has to be hundreds of times by now)
I watched Akira way back in the 80s and it pretty much spoiled every anime for me going forward. Every one. Every once in a while someone recommends something new and brilliant and it just... doesn't come close.
I could also be referencing to G.o.W Cecil calls it the Hammer like Hammer of Dawn that being said Orbiting Space Lasers are a pretty popular trope in media probably starting with Star Wars.
Of for sure! I found a Reddit thread where people were also bringing up that as a possible reference. I like to think of it as maybe an homage to both :D
this video made me watch Invincible, and it's probably gonna make me rewatch Akira soon. thanks for pointing this out! i like that the scenes follow a similar structure without being completely beat for beat. a very tactful Akira reference on Invincible's part
Yoooo bro that's awesome! Invincible's 2nd season is expected in late 2023, and I hope there's gonna be more cool references. Anyways, let me know when you rewatch Akira and what you think of it 😎
I did some research. Invincible had a budget of $10 million per episode with 153 animators working on it, with a runtime of 45 minutes~ per episode. There's 8 episodes, so the series totals 6 hours and 10 minutes of animation. For comparison, Akira had a budget of $9 million usd (which is $23.6 million adjusted for inflation today) and 222 animators working on it (with a significantly less amount of computer work.) And the movie is 2 hours and 4 minutes long. So you have considerably more people (with a background of old-school hand-drawing) and much better pay working on a movie that's a lot shorter and has a much stronger focus on animation itself rather than telling a story. It's no wonder the difference is so stark. Also I dont believe the laser is in the Invincible comics, which means this was made purely as an homage for one of the best animated movies ever made. And if you're trying to draw that parallel and say "look we put in that thing from akira", you cant be doing shit like 4:54 which is IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCENE. Those birds falling look horrible. You can animate like that in 2002 microsoft powerpoint, there is absolutely no excuse for doing it that badly.
I can tell there is some different material animation between Akira and Invincible. The Akira looks like oil paint made in smooth colors. While the invincible show has bright and dark coloring landscapes.
@@indecisive.325 Maybe because Katsuhiro Otomo is a living legend and has one of the best artstyles in the industry. Have you read the Akira manga? Some panels in that manga are breath taking, the level of detail he's able to cram into a single page is absurd, not only that, but the composition of the scenes is damn amazing He's also a huge inspiration on Q.Hayashida, creator Dorohedoro and Dai Dark, which are also cool asf.
@@rickydo6572 I've been able to get my hands on some of the manga, and you're absolutely right -- the level of detail is breathtaking. I hope one of these days I can acquire the privilege to read all the manga of Akira
TURN ON SUBTITLES Edit: YES I KNOW THE AUDIO IS MESSED UP 😭😭 pls stop commenting I couldn't figure out what was wrong when I was making this video and it just... stuck
The sounds of explosions make this more a plagia, than a homage... It was so majestic and real in Akira. They even copied the shape of the satellite, they could at least refrained from all these KABOOM sounds! In low earth orbit, duh.
Wish Invincible could afford better animation. Cool story, acting, and visual story telling, but when you side it by Akira, you can really see the budget.
Yup, the Hammer was definitely SOL - noticed that myself as well and caused the wife to jump in surprise when I suddenly shouted "AKIRA!!!" when that scene played. :-D
@@miro.georgiev97 Nooooo I knew something was slightly off with the audio and I could never pinpoint what it was 😭. I guess the version I used in the video has that issue that's really unfortunate
Look up “NPB” and you’ll see that the low orbital particle cannons have been in the works since the 80s. From the sounds of it though the technology has matured enough to actually be usable now in space for defense purposes. Pretty cool. Not quite on the scale of akira or invincible though.
Suprised you didnt do the Akiras SOL laser to Batman beyond return of the jokers Hyperion class satellite. They apparently use the same animator, Hiroyuki aoyama.
Tetsuo can make a smaller bubble only for himself (why so huge?) + Tetsuo hear Kaneda and probably see him too. It's small detail but Tetsuo cares about Kaneda in shonen way (I trying killing best friend but hope he don't really died) 😅
In terms of how affective it was the one that hit tetsuo blew off his arm apart but the one with Omni man just gave him a nose bleed so it’s pretty obvious who wins there
It unfortunately is hard to have a concrete answer. If Invincible did this better, would we think it's less original just because they have a better artistic ability? Or would it be _more_ original because they are better able to copy something great? Maybe it's about intent. Did they do this because they appreciate akira?, or was it because they're trying to act as if they're as great as Akira was. Personally I think they just put it in because it looks cool and they're fans of cinema, which is dope lol
If the SOL from invincible was used to kill Tetsuo He would have instantly died and the movie ended after his death Because Tetsuo is not as invulnerable as Omni-Man
I know Akira is the og and all, but I think Invincibles laser was fucking badass, and looked way more destructive. Akiras zaps off Tetsuos arm.. meanwhile all thats happens to Omni-Man after getting lasered TWICE is a nose bleed...a 400 billion dollar nose bleed.
If the hammer gave a Viltrumite a nosebleed, it would have destroyed Tetsuo... In SOL's defense, Akira's scientists never had to consider an enemy that wasn't ultimately human.
@indecisive.dice.roll.325 absolutely but we are Western, I'm American, most peers want English dubs in my experience and I've not heard one with ½ as good as acting as the original Japanese dub.
oh i understand. you just had me confused. Yes, the original VA for Akira has the best voice acting out of any dub. I agree with that@@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto
@@indecisive.325 Akira shows the laser as slowly building up to the explosion and what’s going on to people inside it. Invincible is like zzzzap, boom, I’m alive hahaha
@@indecisive.325 Yeah Ominman is stronger but I feel like they could do something cooler instead of covering everything with an explosion and dust hahaha
I love how Kaneda watches Tetsuo take a giant space laser and tries to finish him off with a damn rock.
He's always determined, for better or for worse 😂
@@ThePencilNerd Tetsuo used his psychic power to shield him I believe.
@@LoneFifteen i think he means the first explosion.
@@ThePencilNerd I think the idea is the SOL's concentrated laser energy is accurate to within a meter, hence the first shot blew Tetsuo's arm off and nothing else. Anything outside that meter radius is just hit with the kinetic energy of the original blast
@@LoneFifteen Tetsuo was shielding himself, Kaneda just happened to be right by him
It’s been over 34 years and Akira still looks like it’s ahead of its time. What a damn masterpiece
That's what having a 700 million yen budget does
I don't know what "ahead of it's time," is supposed to mean with animation. It's not videogames with technical specs constantly going up.
@@drifter402 It means the same, Akira is 34 years old and it still holds up against nowaday's animations. But the aging part is not for the animation itself, it's for how fucking good this movie was, it influenced hundreds if not thousands of media until today, those subtle references to the movie shows how important it was to anime history.
@@rigel8755 No it's stupid. It's not "ahead of it's time" if the medium of animation has gotten generally worse. It's not a constant upward curve like video game graphics. Animation doesn't "age." It's a stupid term that is so overused.
@@drifter402 ok ...
*"THINK TETSUO! THINK!"*
love it
😂😂😂
THINK TETSUO I beat the shit out of a guy named immortal 2 times I fucking killed an alien race for flying to fast How in the fuck do you think you can beat me
Chadneda
*KANEDA
This just goes to show you how influential Akira was!
Akira will always be influential it's such a masterpiece
Akira is obviously older than invincible, but they respect the fact that in space there is not any audible sound
i love that little detail too :)
Maybe it was low orbit, with atmosphere dense enough for sound to travel
Thank you. Some idiot tried to argue that this wasnt clearly inspired by akira. So glad someone made this video
dude I never thought it would blow up I just got bored one day 😭😭 happy to be of help tho
Glad I wasn’t the only person to think of this scene
I love Akira legit have probably watched it over give times without subtitles
Just watched this scene in Invincible and had to google "Akira space laser"... bringing me here. :)
Despite Akira’s actually being the most realistic and feasible of the two (also my favorite) I did think the sound effect of invincible’s hammer was kinda cool, even if there really shouldn’t be any sound at all xD
Of for sure. It's just an animation tho, so I guess they can have sound in space
Akira's SOL looks WAY more badass, even the strikes are better. First time I saw Akira, I bet I was 5 years old and I knew it was good. Ive never been a fan of anime, Akira and Lupin III are the only exceptions. Akira mostly, the talent and determination it must've taken to put that movie together... I don't have the words lol even after 25 years, I'm impressed every time I watch it(has to be hundreds of times by now)
I could literally watch Akira over and over again. I love the movie so much
You watched Akira at 5 years old...yikes!
Now that's just bias.
I watched Akira way back in the 80s and it pretty much spoiled every anime for me going forward. Every one. Every once in a while someone recommends something new and brilliant and it just... doesn't come close.
As someone not blinded by nostalgia, no it doesn’t 😂
It’s crazy that animation influences from Akira, American-Western animator did very well done and heavily made.😊
I could also be referencing to G.o.W Cecil calls it the Hammer like Hammer of Dawn that being said Orbiting Space Lasers are a pretty popular trope in media probably starting with Star Wars.
Of for sure! I found a Reddit thread where people were also bringing up that as a possible reference. I like to think of it as maybe an homage to both :D
Both Ion Cannons are awesome if not short lived haha
honestly I love both the TV show and the movie. They're both pieces of art
@@indecisive.325 lol no. Piece of art just one takes it: AKIRA
We have no idea how many times SOL might've been used in WW3, tho
this video made me watch Invincible, and it's probably gonna make me rewatch Akira soon. thanks for pointing this out! i like that the scenes follow a similar structure without being completely beat for beat. a very tactful Akira reference on Invincible's part
Yoooo bro that's awesome! Invincible's 2nd season is expected in late 2023, and I hope there's gonna be more cool references. Anyways, let me know when you rewatch Akira and what you think of it 😎
I did some research. Invincible had a budget of $10 million per episode with 153 animators working on it, with a runtime of 45 minutes~ per episode. There's 8 episodes, so the series totals 6 hours and 10 minutes of animation.
For comparison, Akira had a budget of $9 million usd (which is $23.6 million adjusted for inflation today) and 222 animators working on it (with a significantly less amount of computer work.) And the movie is 2 hours and 4 minutes long.
So you have considerably more people (with a background of old-school hand-drawing) and much better pay working on a movie that's a lot shorter and has a much stronger focus on animation itself rather than telling a story. It's no wonder the difference is so stark.
Also I dont believe the laser is in the Invincible comics, which means this was made purely as an homage for one of the best animated movies ever made. And if you're trying to draw that parallel and say "look we put in that thing from akira", you cant be doing shit like 4:54 which is IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCENE. Those birds falling look horrible. You can animate like that in 2002 microsoft powerpoint, there is absolutely no excuse for doing it that badly.
Excellent points, every single one.
Those birds are sufficient enough imo, I had no problems with it
I can tell there is some different material animation between Akira and Invincible. The Akira looks like oil paint made in smooth colors. While the invincible show has bright and dark coloring landscapes.
Both animation styles are awesome, what do you think?
@@indecisive.325 I find akira's art style to be more pleasing to my eyes even though it's older than invincible.
@@SuperDuperSigmaMale Same with me. Something about Akira's art style just captivates me
@@indecisive.325
Maybe because Katsuhiro Otomo is a living legend and has one of the best artstyles in the industry.
Have you read the Akira manga? Some panels in that manga are breath taking, the level of detail he's able to cram into a single page is absurd, not only that, but the composition of the scenes is damn amazing
He's also a huge inspiration on Q.Hayashida, creator Dorohedoro and Dai Dark, which are also cool asf.
@@rickydo6572 I've been able to get my hands on some of the manga, and you're absolutely right -- the level of detail is breathtaking. I hope one of these days I can acquire the privilege to read all the manga of Akira
Japanese animators are in another level compared to the US counterparts.
Roses are red, violets are blue, there's always an Asian better than you
@@indecisive.325 invincible was animated in Korea so that applies more
No, U.S. animators can reach that level too. This is just not the example.
@@CarloNassar this man never heard of Richard williams
Comparing movie quality to tv quality. Of course the movie will win.
TURN ON SUBTITLES
Edit: YES I KNOW THE AUDIO IS MESSED UP 😭😭 pls stop commenting I couldn't figure out what was wrong when I was making this video and it just... stuck
Fortunately, I don’t have to as I speak the language.
BLEACH YOUR RETINAS
The sounds of explosions make this more a plagia, than a homage... It was so majestic and real in Akira. They even copied the shape of the satellite, they could at least refrained from all these KABOOM sounds! In low earth orbit, duh.
Omni-Man: *gets nosebleed and remains calm*
Tetsuo: *loses all of his right arm and screams in agony*
@@Sebastian-kx4nu he is just a boy, after all 🤣
Tetsuo was not used to having superpowers
400 hundred billion dollars for the world's most expensive nosebleed 🤣🤣🤣
Our poor tax dollars 😭😂
Wish Invincible could afford better animation. Cool story, acting, and visual story telling, but when you side it by Akira, you can really see the budget.
Akira had a record-breaking budget for its time. I know Invincible's budget pales in comparison
Akira did it better, no sound was also a great addition or lack thereof
Of course Akira did it better it's a masterpiece
Sol is one of the coolest things ive seen. No doubt we have one as a last resort
Someone out there mans our SOL and I think that's so cool
The same but with cheaper animation. Amazing how far we've come in 24 years
Akira was too ahead of its time
@@indecisive.325 if only. We're just getting cheaper. #america
Yup, the Hammer was definitely SOL - noticed that myself as well and caused the wife to jump in surprise when I suddenly shouted "AKIRA!!!" when that scene played. :-D
Lmao I basically had the same reaction 🤣 I was so excited when I saw SOL in Invincible
Akira did it MUCH better
It's a timeless classic with a massive budget. Both are good though
During the Akira scenes you can hear the dub in the background of the sub haha.
yeah i know i didn't know how to get rid of it 😭😭
Should include Batman Beyond:ROTJ since the original AKIRA animator worked on that sequence.
Akira is a top tier movie
I know!! I need to rewatch it fr 👀
I’m here because of both character’s Death Battles
what;s the death battles?
@@indecisive.325 Omni-Man VS Homelander
Magneto VS Tetsuo
@@devinsethna1287 whoa those videos are so cool thank you
Why is the English dub of Akira playing behind the original Japanese?
Wait what??????
@@indecisive.325 Yeah, I can actually hear the English dub under the Japanese audio. It's not terribly distracting, but it _is_ noticeable.
@@miro.georgiev97 Nooooo I knew something was slightly off with the audio and I could never pinpoint what it was 😭. I guess the version I used in the video has that issue that's really unfortunate
Akira looks still so fuckin georgeous
Agreed! I love how smooth the animation is and how well it holds up in the modern day 🤩
Better call Sol!
BETTER CALL SAUL
i didnt know it was a reference woah
if you don't know Akira, then it's just an epic scene
We definitely need something in real life for when a real badboy dicedes to enslave the earth
A real life Tetsuo or Homelander? Don’t think I can stomach that
@Supermanfan 2003 Or engineered specifically to beat them like the Hulkbuster and Black Noir from the comics.
Look up “NPB” and you’ll see that the low orbital particle cannons have been in the works since the 80s. From the sounds of it though the technology has matured enough to actually be usable now in space for defense purposes. Pretty cool. Not quite on the scale of akira or invincible though.
We actually have them, they are called nukes
Suprised you didnt do the Akiras SOL laser to Batman beyond return of the jokers Hyperion class satellite.
They apparently use the same animator, Hiroyuki aoyama.
Whoa really?? I never knew that. I'm not too familiar with that Batman incarnation, but I'll look into it 🤯
@@indecisive.325 yes sir. Definitely check it out. Its pretty cool
Did Tetsuo protect Kaneda with that bubble?
it's likely that he meant to protect himself and didn't care if he protected Kaneda as well
@@indecisive.325 makes sense
@@jessedubinsky2569 yup
Tetsuo can make a smaller bubble only for himself (why so huge?) + Tetsuo hear Kaneda and probably see him too.
It's small detail but Tetsuo cares about Kaneda in shonen way (I trying killing best friend but hope he don't really died) 😅
@@user-xy2ci9tt4y indeed
The sound design on the Hammer was spectacular though
I really loved that detail too!
Is it just me or Akira they speak English and Japanese at the same time?
the audio got messed up i'm sorry
@@indecisive.325 that’s ok
why did you overlay both audio tracks lol
not my fault I couldn't undo it with editing yes I'm mad about it stop commenting it
Why do characters have 2 voices?
Bro I have no clue I tried figuring that out when I was editing it
4:30 - 4:33 seem kind unrealistic compared to Akira.
It's not meant to be exact lol 🤣
Yo am I the only One Who hears both the Japanese Audio and American Dub at the same time?!
No you're not it was a glitch or something check my pinned comment 😭 sorry for the inconvenience but thanks for the comment
@@indecisive.325 its kinda cool
理科の時間じゃねぇーんだよ
Directed Energy Weapons anybody??
idk what that is but it sounds cool. thank you for the comment < 3
@@indecisive.325 RUclips it. Lol.
Some one has an iron halo
What does that mean
Satellite of Love?
it's a satellite alright
omni man vs tetsuo
do you want me to make a video talking about Omni-Man vs Tetsuo?
In terms of how affective it was the one that hit tetsuo blew off his arm apart but the one with Omni man just gave him a nose bleed so it’s pretty obvious who wins there
Omni Man is on crack
Tetsuo would obliterate the verse
@@TheKaiokenMerchant he would obliterate everything at this point 😭
@@indecisive.325 he's like Uni+
Thumbs up if you think the new Arcane series by league of legends was influenced by akira.
@@billyb4790 every anime is influenced by Akira at this point
Where does homage end and unoriginality begin?
Well where do you think?
I feel like these are universal concepts that pertain to our very beings
@@thebesthuman4794 explain
It unfortunately is hard to have a concrete answer. If Invincible did this better, would we think it's less original just because they have a better artistic ability? Or would it be _more_ original because they are better able to copy something great?
Maybe it's about intent. Did they do this because they appreciate akira?, or was it because they're trying to act as if they're as great as Akira was.
Personally I think they just put it in because it looks cool and they're fans of cinema, which is dope lol
これは最高ですし、好きですし、ＡＫＩＲＡのキャラクターも好きですし、最高ですし、かっこよくて素敵です。
Agreed
If the SOL from invincible was used to kill Tetsuo He would have instantly died and the movie ended after his death
Because Tetsuo is not as invulnerable as Omni-Man
Both are still very powerful
Tetsuo win
I know Akira is the og and all, but I think Invincibles laser was fucking badass, and looked way more destructive. Akiras zaps off Tetsuos arm.. meanwhile all thats happens to Omni-Man after getting lasered TWICE is a nose bleed...a 400 billion dollar nose bleed.
I WILL say that the laser in Invincible left a HUGE ass crater
If the hammer gave a Viltrumite a nosebleed, it would have destroyed Tetsuo... In SOL's defense, Akira's scientists never had to consider an enemy that wasn't ultimately human.
You're entirely correct 👀
Japanese dub is far better
oh there's a japanese dub for Invincible? i had no idea
@@indecisive.325 AKIRA
wouldn't the japanese dub...just be the original movie?@@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto
@indecisive.dice.roll.325 absolutely but we are Western, I'm American, most peers want English dubs in my experience and I've not heard one with ½ as good as acting as the original Japanese dub.
oh i understand. you just had me confused. Yes, the original VA for Akira has the best voice acting out of any dub. I agree with that@@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto
INVINCIBLE is x kids.
What if Omniman beat up kids
@@indecisive.325 still gay if he has to use that panties 😅
Soulful vs soulless
What makes you think that?
@@indecisive.325 Akira shows the laser as slowly building up to the explosion and what’s going on to people inside it. Invincible is like zzzzap, boom, I’m alive hahaha
@@MyStupified yeah i get that but wouldn't you agree that Omni-Man is more powerful than Tetsuo?
@@indecisive.325 Yeah Ominman is stronger but I feel like they could do something cooler instead of covering everything with an explosion and dust hahaha
@@MyStupified hopefully next season they'll grant your wishes! I'm so excited let me know if I should cover Invincible news on my channel 😎
from epic animation quality to complete dogsheiz, man invincible is a dumb show
what makes you think that?