Fiore's techniques II - Regia Turris
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Some our interpretations of Fiore dei Liberi's techniques (from Ms. Ludwig XV 13 · J. Paul Getty Museum) in particular about "Zogho stretto". Regia Turris - Historical Fencing School - Pordenone, Italy. Thanks to: Nicola, Alberto, Valerio (fencers) and Regia Turris' staff.
Alcune nostre interpretazioni di tecniche di Fiore dei Liberi (tratte dal codice Ms. Ludwig XV 13 · J. Paul Getty Museum) in particolare sul "Zogho stretto". Regia Turris - Scuola di scherma Storica - Pordenone, Italia.
Si ringraziano Nicola, Alberto, Valerio e tutto lo Staff Regia Turris.
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Now this is the best demonstration I've seen on how sword fighting is an actual martial art.
Thank you!
Damn, that pommel strike! Love it! Short and sharp!
Daniel Sklydnev ahahha, yeah!!! The pommel strike rocks!!!
Ended Rightly
Nothing less than a stunning contribution . Thank you very much .
Wow this is exactly the type of quality channel I've been looking for.
I find this video very interesting, although i'm not very familiar with these techniques, it is very clear. Molto chiaro, grazie!
I love this video since I started studying Fiore. it is a benchmark for elegance and style! bravo!
practically in Italy they invented the CQC with swords
A definite "wow"!
Thanks.
gorgeous, I wish all instructional video's on youtube were of this quality
It would be great! :-)
Cool! I really like the execution speed and the whole sequence of plays. the last one is amazing!
Thank you Nidj Obner we do our best!
beautiful techniques
Great job mates! Regards from Poland (;
Thank you, you're too kind! Maybe we will meet you somewhere in the HEMA world!
Very nice!
Thank you very much for your work. Greetings from Mexico
Thank you Antonio for your appreciation! Greetings from Italy! If you want come here and share some training with us, you are welcome!
Grazie per l'invito prendo davvero molto encuenta e ire a visitare l'anno prossimo. Inoltre, ogni scuola che sono i benvenuti in Mexico e quando diamo come tornare a casa. E grazie per i video.
Thank you for your words, Antonio Nava, just in these days we are shooting a new video. - Really: if you like, you will be our welcome guest here, in Italy! Contact us and stay tuned!
I really like the techniques you show here. The quality of your video production is great as well, thanks!
Thank you for your appreciation, you are very kind... indeed, we worked very hard to produce it.
Very nicely done.
Really clear. Very nicely shot
Remarkably cinematic/film quality shoot and editing-presentation.
It reminds me of a few dramatic product ads for theatrical products.
The techniques themselves are interesting, and what your interpretations suggest was the rhythm and tempo of a fight during those periods.
I've not see the Tor de Spana Sottano before.
Most techniques tend to be blatant, a direct lock, grab, etc. but not as deceptive a manipulation as this one, very cool.
Thank you for your words, it's not easy try to show techniques with a plausible tempo. It is very tiring! Anyway, our work never stops!
Regia Turris I'd guess that its harder with real techniques because its too easy to fall into stage fighting when you have a cinematic mindset.
Superb quality, and straight into the point. But shouldn't tor de spada sottano end into a full disarm?
Superbo! continuate così! (y)
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Anton Nidhoggr thank you!
Thank you very nice!
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Спасибо за посещение нашего канала!
good job!
Grazie Gianluca Zanini , troppo gentile!
I can not believe that Tor De Spada Sottano (the secound technique) actually works but the rest looks great
awesome guys!!!!, im training with Fiore and Vadi sources :)
Grandi raga!
After studying for a while these past couple months, I have to wonder or even suggest a second interpretation.
Artists of the period did not often make mistakes and seeing the two to three extra steps needed to engage, I wonder by the resting place of the opponent's blade if maybe instead of stepping into a down cut, if the player does not simply bait and step to the side, allowing them to step into the attacker's own step and catch them with a pommel strike.
The attacker's blade in the picture almost rests under the player's arm nearly as if captured there.
Are you referring about the last technique?
The code images are accompanied by text that is above them.
About our interpretation we have tried to match the images with the text as much as possible.
If you have a video about your interpretation, we will be happy to see it and comment it together
Regia Turris I'll reflect on it a while longer, try it out as well. I sometimes get epiphanies or see something only to forget what the idea was.
Interesting. I personally like the "blacked out" look. It is not meant to be badass. I believe it is meant to give anonymity and force the eye on the figures and weapons. Every free man should be able to openly carry a sword. Just my opinion.
Thank you for your comment, oldsagerat,
oldsagerat Ironically it’s illegal to publicly wield a sword in America, yet we’re allowed to carry guns.
@@thelouster5815 Hm... makes sense XD
@@mikavikesland9611 No joke the reason why it's illegal is because you can seriously injure someone with a sword. Because you know, guns are so much safer than swords.
@@thelouster5815 No, some places it's allowed. California allows fixed blade weapons to be openly carried as long as they are over a certain size (cannot be easily hidden). You can open carry a machete or sword. People give California shit for having some dumb gun laws, but they just know the truth. A true free man carries a WAR KNIFE.
Why we don't see this in the movies?
Good question. Probably because whoever directs the actors doesn't know this discipline!
I like the step through for the pommel strike as a solution to the timing and range issue, but for Tor De Spada Lo Sovrano why did you decide to do a disarm where you keep the sword then a double arm bar instead of a disarm where the sword hits the ground and a thigh throw like in the pic shown at 1:04?
Regia Turris I am confused, perhaps there was an error in translation? I made no mention of clothing nor protection in my comment. The first part of my reply was a compliment on your interpretation of Fiore's Pommel strike seen at 0:30 for I think it to be a very good option for the play.
The second part of my comment was asking why you chose an arm bar and taking of the sword over a thigh throw where the sword ends up on the ground when the pic show seconds earlier shows a very different result than the one you demonstrated. I'm sure you have your reasons for doing it, and it looks effective, but it is different and I'm curious as to why.
Aspie Sean in "Tor de spada lo sovrano" we followed the text (the glosses) and we decided to take the sword in order to avoid damage to the set, or hitting the operator who was filming! :-)
The answer about protections and black look was for Bailey Smooth.
Good to know. I approve of never breaking the camera crew. :)
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triality (countable and uncountable, plural trialities) Threeness. (mathematics) A relationship between three vector spaces.
To be beneficent when we can is a duty; and besides this, there are many minds so sympathetically constituted that, without any other motive of vanity or self-interest, they find a pleasure in spreading joy around them and can take delight in the satisfaction of others so far as it is their own work. But I maintain that in such a case an action of this kind, however proper, however amiable it may be, has nevertheless no true moral worth, but is on a level with other inclinations, e.g., the inclination to honour, which, if it is happily directed to that which is in fact of public utility and accordant with duty and consequently honourable, deserves praise and encouragement, but not esteem! Immanuel Kant
Would these moves work in combat when every move would have to be executed within a second? I'm sure they could be but I have yet to find footage of them in a full-on sparring video.
Nice video! What is the music?
Thanks Scott. This music is duly purchased for this use, made for videos, trailer or advertising, as it can find in many specialized online stores.
Could anyone tell me the music used in this?
This sound was legally purchased from a store music for soundtracks. Sorry, we do not know the title of the track because the video maker took care of the whole project.
Niente male , ma non capisco perchè alla fine unite quelle ultime tre tecniche in una ,mi ricordavo che le ultime tre tecniche erano a quanto diceva fiore nel manoscritto getty distinte e separate
Nelle glosse che si trovano sopra le tre miniature sono riportate le parti essenziali delle tecniche, mentre le tre miniature rappresentano, in questo caso, dei momenti delle tecniche. Le tre tecniche, come sono riportate nel manoscritto, sono una conseguente l'altra e di questa consuetudine abbiamo voluto pubblicare in video la nostra interpretazione. Nel codice Getty non è l'unico caso.
Interesting but they would barely work irl in a duel, if you had brains you wouldn't stand there after the first swing.
It's just a "demo" of old prints. I mean, everyone of us knows real fights are dirt and messi, and even with a correct developed technique, you are in danger of hurt yourself when disarm or kill a foe, specially with sharped weapons like knives or, in this case, swords, because he will be kicking and twitching like a worm, probably.
Fiore was not a theorist, he was the master of guys that chose war as their profession. His students did beat some of the best knights of their time.
sure. But in this videos, uke is really passive.
FIORI'S DINASTY
But what does it look like against a resisting opponent, especially one with skill?
Go look at the HEMA tournaments like a swordfish and stuff
Good question, but we must remember that in fencing, before applying any technique, one must study the opponent.
Where is your structure awareness? "A warning to those who think it is correct to extend their sword-arms with their wrists slightly bent[ 5]: You cannot bend your hand or arm in any way without raising your sword at least a quarter or half a palma away from the enemy’s. One should therefore train oneself to extend the hand as far as possible and keep the arm as straight as possible. If you do otherwise you help your adversary, to your own harm and great peril". Camillo Agrippa
Relevance?
What is the meaning of triality?
triality (countable and uncountable, plural trialities) Threeness. (mathematics) A relationship between three vector spaces.
@@HillardEarl what is the relevance of Agrippa's rapier to longsword fighting?
I like a different version of the sword that is all. The axis is something I just like to play with. I have not had much time for reading books. I did see a few.
I dislike this fad of "bad ass" all black look that people are taking up. I'm sure it makes you feel like a bad boy, but it masks the motions of the fighters obfuscating the overall instruction. It's like Windsor in his black tracksuit pants - it's hard to see what his legs are doing.
Also, could we see one cut that shows the entire body in side profile so we can compare it to the manual?
Because black makes thin :p
The black dress is the aesthetic our school has decided to have. If you do not like it, we do not care.
Masks and protections are used for not hurt the opponent, because these techniques are not simulated.
For the vision of the legs, there is a total frontal shot. Look at that!
May I ask you to post a video that shows you or your school, about historical fencing?
Strangely I found the aesthetic of the video unique and well done. Also it allowed me to see several things slightly easier. But then perhaps my experience picking things up from vids of SCA tournament fighting, where there is rarely good definition of the action and only helm time really allows one see the action, helped.
I think the black dress is a correct choice, you can see the movement on a white background very clearly.
0/10 poor technique
Did not end him rightly.
You're doing it all wrong. You're not supposed to apply force behind your "blocking" strike before the actual maneuvers. This is why in real combat you'd lose, because your moves take too many steps and time. The point of blade contact isn't to stop the enemy blade or even control/guide his blade from striking you, but to control/guide your own as you smoothly move in to grapple enemy arms/hands. These maneuver's end goals takes care of the initial worry about enemy blade control, so no need to control enemy blade in first stages. The goal of the move is to get in the enemy space as fast as possible and grab his arms preventing him from controlling his own sword before you judge his fate by slashing. So, the strike must be very undedicated and nothing but a feint. But your strikes don't look like feints but look like actual(even if light) strikes.
Thanks for your comment.
We look forward to your video with your interpretations and techniques.
Have a nice day.
@@regiaturris What would your reaction be if I actually proved my point?
Save time. Show us the video.
Best regards.
If a feint looks like a feint then it's a bad feint.
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