The Government 'Considering' Mass Pardons for Wrongly Accused Sub-postmasters | Good Morning Britain
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- We’re joined once again by Post Office Minister Kevin Hollindrake to discuss the ongoing postal scandal as Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is set to address the topic today. The Government is 'considering' mass pardons to clear the names of hundreds of sub-postmasters, wrongly accused of fraud by the Post Office.
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A 'pardon' is forgiveness for a crime committed. These people did not commit a crime.
Not a pardon, but the convictions should be blanket quashed as being unsafe.
Loss of earnings and compensation are needed,but most importantly criminal charges against the people who took the bonuses and hid the truth
The government can't spell exoneration
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That won’t happen for a few reasons.
1) Full compensation that would be in the millions for one person & it would be the tax payers paying the majority with goverment paying the bulk of the money & Fujitsu will only pay 50% of the money lost the goverment would have to pay for unlawful arrest
unlawful imprisonment wrongful conviction including the Post Offices half of the original money lost the UK as a whole would have to bankrupt itself including the Royal Family over that.
Thats why they are offering only £6.000 per case it should be a lot more but it’s easy for the goverment to pay £3.000 with Fujitsu. Paying the other £3.000 over the whole thing to put it to bed.
@@SimonCowie86 don’t be daft. Would nowhere near bankrupt us. They just paid ALL our wages for the best part of 2 years.
It’s not enough. People need to be investigated and put into prison for this abhorrent abuse of power.
I agree well said
That will NEVER HAPPEN 😢
WHEN WILL ALL THOSE WHO OVERSAW THIS 'OUTRAGE' BE BROUGHT TO 'JUSTICE' ??? LETS ALL TAKE A WILD GUESS ~~~~~~~~~ 'NEVER' !!!
Doesn't a pardon imply they are being 'forgiven'?
"CONSIDERING" ?? They should have been pardoned long ago, what a joke.
What a brutal judicial system we have - owned by Corporations, biased up to hit the little guy.
Yup, unless you are willing to put your home up for sale and lose it, plus pay the winners court costs, you have little chance against a large organisation. British "justice".
Sunak is desperately looking to gain public favour. The government should have dealt with this scandal be being embarrassed into action.
He wont be gaining any with me! Bandwagon jumper.
Meanwhile, Sir Ed Davey and Sir Keir Starmer have slithered back into the shadows, refusing to share any of the spotlight or public scrutiny.
A pardon assumes the person was guilty in the first place. What is needed is for all charges to be dropped. Interim compensation to be paid. A public enquiry. The return of money paid by accused. Investigation into the process used.
Aren’t the people who did these atrocities the ones that are investigating themselves ?????!!!!!!!🤯
as reprehensable as these actions are they are not Atrocities by any definition for atrocities look at gaza
There needs to be some serious questions raised about the competence of some of these Judges too 👩⚖️
Surely 'Pardons' imply forgiveness. There is nothing to forgive, they were framed and should have HUGE compensation payments - or given to their relatives if they have already died.
They were framed, great choice of a word which describes it perfectly. Also, some of them are owed their own money back that they paid out of fear and went into post office profits cos it was never missing in the first place! That should be on top of compensation.
Why after all the years has the government decided to pardon all these people who never did anything in first place so why have they waited so long to be proved innocent the government should be ashamed of themselves
mass pardons very little very late, they do not need pardons for crimes they didn't commit, funny how the vip ppe lane real life crooks are put in house of lords
Pardon is an insult!! They NEVER commited a crime.
It shouldn’t be an enquiry it should a criminal investigation against those that are responsible for this scandal. Government enquiries very really lead to any individual being prosecuted. Any compensation will mostly likely be paid for by the taxpayers so in reality it’s the general public that are punished for someone’s else’s crimes. Corruption at the highest level. I bet there’s be no investigation into where all the money went that Postmasters were wrongly accused of stealing.
Less talking and more action needed to help these poor people come on our government and put the people who did this put them in prison now absolutely disgusting what happened to these poor people innocent innocent people and their families 😞🙏🙏🙏
Compensation puts you back in the same financial position as before you were wronged:
No monetary amount can correct what these people were subjected to: not only by the company but police & judicial system too.
A pardon doesn't mean not guilty.They need their convictions quashed totally
I can see the problem. It is a very British one. , Someone in the upper echelons of the Gov is saying.......... "We can't do that. What if one of these sub postmaster.chaps really is a rotter, and was rightly convicted at the time? "
Pardons and compensation are all well and good BUT what about the prosecution of Paula Vennels and other CEO's who got massive bonus's and gold plated pension's, they should be held to account and taken to court for fraud and Blackmail, Extortion and misleading the court system.
I hope the people responsible for this injustice live the rest of their days in fear for their lives.
Love the question about the £600,000 compensation being taxed or not when these poor people eventually get their money ; am I the only one who saw his reply ; he answered the question with his eyes closed 😢😅
£10,000,000 is a fair amount for every subpostmaster....paid for by recovering proceeds of crime from all the senior managers in the post office and fujitsu....not a penny should come from the taxpayer ....oh, and what about all the taxpayers money already spent, used to prosecute these innocent people in the first place.
Why are they considering?
GET ON WITH IT!!!
Firstly sunak knows nothing of the issue and is simply in it for point scoring. Secondly a pardon infers a crime which is unacceptable. Thirdly the money needs to be accounted for and whoever has gained from this scandal via victomising and criminalizing innocent individuals needs their day in court.
This is pathetic the govt are still reluctant to admit their guilt
"By the end of this year" is not good enough. Lawyers and politicians need to pull their fingers out. Making people wait is just more contempt.
Why isent this wuman in prison for grose mis conduct she has destroyed people's lives ruined there lifetime finances they always get a slap on the wrist and a massive payout fore being saked
Given that the system was making data entry errors which were then balanced by system administrator adjustment entries, is it possibly that errors were just as likely to be in the Postmaster’s favour? Is this why many have been reluctant to come forward and have their accounts scrutinised years later? Just asking and wondering if this will be the next bombshell to land.
One of the SPMs stated that they were both positive and negative, leaving a negative balance in his case. So yes it is indeed possible that some positives exist.
Yes it’s possible when they came round to give training on the new Horizon and it said you was 2000 short they was told just to put the money in and hopefully next week it will say Your 2000 up and balance it out. But you have to take into account small village post office if Horizon said you was 10 grand up they’re not going to have an extra 10 grand in the safe to take out and keep. And I’m sure if this happened, they would call the Horizon helpline who, in this case would be extremely helpful and correct the difference. Also Paula got a half million handshake with her CBE for record profits at the post office so that tells you post masters was taking very little if anything at all.
No. It only flagged so called losses. The errors were not corrected but altered by third parties without the knowledge or consent of the Postmasters. the Do you work for the Post Office?
@@martyndawson7484 No, I am nothing to do with the Post Office. I recently retired but for the previous 25 years worked free lance for companies developing business databases, so I do have extensive experience of database development, bugs, specification issues, data integrity and correction of errors, as well as accounting principles. Every system has issues, users make errors and do things you didn’t anticipate etc., I would sometimes spend hours or even days analysing data, restoring backups and so on to get to the bottom of went wrong and fix it in the code. I certainly wouldn’t have turned a blind eye to huge, persistent errors as happened on Horizon. Any error at all, no matter how small, was treated as a valuable piece of evidence in the trail to discover bugs.
One thing I really don’t understand is how large errors could get past double accounting systems. Things have to balance and be reconciled.
Of course they should innocent loyal hard working postmasters sent to jail outrageous
No pardons. Government needs to quash the convictions completely. Post office should pay compensation to cover injury and loss of earnings. Look after the people not the corporations.
The Government can’t squash the convictions. The judiciary and government are kept apart for a reason and the government have been criticised in the past, for trying to interfere in court cases. A pardon would be the best they could do..
*NOTICE*
YOU CANNOT PARDON SOMEONE IF THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED A CRIME!
Will all the people who paid the post office assuming they had made a mistake be repaid and compensated?
Further they should not be granted a pardon as that doesn’t clear their names, it just forgives a crime, however they have not committed a crime in the first place.
TBH it was difficult to watch the TV drama.. made me angry and i found myself shouting "who the f*ck do they think they are" at many scenes.. they behaved like the mafia.. talk about an abuse of power.. a power that needs removing immediatley... for true justice people need to be jailed
How can you Pardon someone for no crime.
Are there any just laws left in this country?
Make the software suppliers pay. Now.
Pardons they have not done anything wrong.
She’s given back her CBE but not her huge bonuses
Vennels must return the bonuses she recieved.
She gave her gong back, what more do you want? 😂
@@diverguy3556 Taxpayers money she got for failing in her job.
I out of scandal. But just reminding people that post office can still be the best way o f communication if we can remember the origin.
What a brutal regime. 😮
The Government is Considering giving out Pardons? But these people did not commit a crime! they should be publicly exonerated and compensated.
Why has it taken so long?
How can you pardon people when clearly no crime was committed by them? Pardons are for those who are guilty. Their wrongful convictions should be overturned, all of them. The only guilt here should be on the part of those in Post Office Management who pushed for their conviction in the first place, they knew the system was faulty and knowingly allowed innocent people to have their lives destroyed.
The question no one seems to be asking is, where did the money go?
The title of this needs to be corrected, the Government isn't proposing Pardons but are considering an Act of Parliament to quash the prosecutions. A Pardon would leave those pardoned still guilty of a crime. Any Act would only apply to Sub-Postmasters in England and Wales as Scotland has a different legal system where prosecutions where brought by the Procurator Fiscals Office not the Post Office. In addition the Post Office Ministers need to take further legal advice as it is not the case that prosecution can only be quashed on application by those prosecuted as both prosecuting authority or indeed the Court its self can also apply to have unsafe prosecutions quashed both of which have happened in the past. He is also being dishonest about the 'full and final' offer being made, it is just that with no account being taken of individual circumstances or losses. If taken there will no further ability to seek recompense of any losses over and above the amount offered.
They declared Rwanda a safe country , in a week . No reason why this cannot be fixed , they just will not do it
Oh, they need alot more then a Pardon! How about take the 3 billion off Fujitsu and pay it rightfully back aswell as the bonuses the post office stole!
Correction: The Tories are considering pardons, despite not being bothered, until now, because a dramatisation is released and they need something to make themselves look amazing, to claw back voters.
It's nothing to do with caring about those who suffered - it's all about manipulation.
The judicial process has failed along with serious elements of the establishment. Parliament can and should intervene in this particular judicial process.
Considering??????
ALTHOUGH THIS GESTURE IS WELCOMED, EACH VICTIM WILL NEED TO RECEIVE A PERSONAL APOLOGY FROM THE JUDICIARY. THEY CANNOT FIND A QUICK 'BULK' FIX IN TERMS OF JUSTICE. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT COMPENSATION IS DUE. EACH PERSON WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE WILL NEED TO BE TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW NO MATTER HOW LONG THIS TAKES AND NO MATTER THEIR ROLE.
What do they mean considering pardons, it does not matter how much it costs.
ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING FACTORS IS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO THE JUDICIARY TO RESTORE ETHICAL FAITH IN THE UNITED KINGDOM FOLLOWING DISASTROUS AND CATASTROPHIC GOVERNING.
I have a problem with a "pardon" in that it seems to imply that you committed a crime but we are letting you off.
That is sick wishy washy answers.
Hopefully these poor people will get their own stolen money back AND compensation!! Shysters!
They need to remove prosecution powers from the post office.,..
13 years and some sunek did what agsin .facts say his party gave the entitled titles .and now drip fed compo from the interest .
A week later nothing done ,they could all be given interim payment on the 1st day after itv drama ,no prosecution on and post office management, disgracefully
He's appalled by what happened, but this Government been in power for 14-years, feel for those that lost everything and it taken a tv drama to get anything done.
Considering?
I believe in law these convictions are wrong so no pardon is needed. They just need all their records cleared and compensation, simples
I need my reparation we the also wronged need to know when we will be paid.
So if staff from Horizon could open the Post Masters operations could that comprise any card payment made at the counter by a member of the general public. ie could an employee gain card details and make unauthorized payments on a customer's card!
No mentiion about Andrew Bridgen MP wiithout who would have remmained covered up.
I doubt all are totally innocent !
Blacstone’s Ratio - “ It is better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be punished”
so the truth is tax funds every postal electronic bt environment not the 1 me locked down in it
we cant afford to eat yesterday we stopped off in the bmd after having a sports exaust fitted to race the 45 🤣 and pick up a 32inch sat light telly that flips into a light up table for easy racking of party equipment could not afford to eat thou
Zgubili moja przesyłkę, wysłaną pierwsza klasa, przesyłka warta ok. 50 f. A oni mi przysłali kilka znaczków w ramach przeprosin. I mam im udowodnić, że w środku była zawartość za te 50 f. Skandal😢