The Real-Life Mr Bates On Why His Fight For Justice Is Far From Over | Lorraine
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2024
- Infuriating, sickening and blood-boiling is how some viewers have described the new ITV drama 'Mr Bates vs the Post Office' which looks at the real-life fight for justice by the victims of the Post Office Scandal. Today, the real-life Mr Bates, and inspiration for the series, joins Lorraine to talk about how he feels about the ITV drama, and why his fight for justice is far from over.
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Simply shocking how the PO have behaved, what's happened to this country, riddled with corruption, and gross injustice. Mr Bates and co deserve millions and a public apology.
It starts at the top with sanctioned corruption in government.
Can you imagine the injustices that have gone unnoticed in years gone by, without someone with Mr Bates tenacity to fight for justice. Everything I was taught about our country when I was young is a sham..but every now and then someone like Mr Bates gives us all hope.
Don't forget the Tories sold off the PO at a bargain basement price to their friends and cronies. The reason they are deliberately holding back restorative justice is because it tarnishes their ideology.
Apaar from giving back the PO stole from the post masters is that all but 90 convictions are still in force leaving these innocent people with a current criminal record. They should all be pardoned immediately.
Well done Mr Bates ! You are a hero. I hope all of you get the justice you deserve! Thinking of all those poor people who have died, R.I.P. x
An inspirational person. Shows how one person can really make difference.
Just shows what horrible people are in positions of power in this country. And they get away with their wrong doings and even rewarded. What a system.
Also those beurocrats who were informing each of them that they were the only ones it was happening to ? Bareface lying? How do they sleep at night?
Now look at those running Royal Mail and the train operating companies. The execs at P & O Ferries. The water companies.
Well done Mr Bates
Speechless... the human cost.. and the corruption is beyond belief...
Absolute hero of a guy
There should be a petition to parliament to have the delay in making these payments in the House of Commons and asking why there have been no prosecutions against Post Office and Fujitsu executives
The destruction of these peoples lives and prolonged cover-up by Post Office is utter wickedness. No justice whatsoever.
My first thought on the matter was when are the purpotrators going to be brought to justice. I've had to argue with the police over why they shouldn't arrest a homeless elderly woman for stealing a sandwich ffs. And these actual criminals are getting away with it?
Notice - there's not a government fast lane for giving these people the money they are owed - money THEY ARE OWED !!!! as opposed to money for their mates.
Another question relating to this scandal is who backed the Postmaster's litigation? The court awarded the JSPM's case £58 million but they were told only £12 million would be left to share, between 550 litigants, after the backers got their percentage!! Who would take that much of a cut from these poor people? This whole criminal scandal by the so-called justice system is shameful.
A.nd they say law is there for everyone
Because that was the deal from the start. They did it to.make money, that was the point. They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They took a massive risk, and so deserve the reward.
They did take less money than they was entitled to. If it wasn’t for them, it wouldn’t of reached court in the first place. Their money was needed they risked losing. All of their own money.
What a hard watch the series was but so glad it was shown to show and expose the post office of the complete miscarriage of justice to these postmasters and post-mistresses that suffered. Bravo Mr Bates what a hero you are. 💪
I salute you Alan Bates
My late friend passed away aged 95 in 2022, she was a very wise lady, and full of good sound common sense and advice, she once said to me "darling, the world is as beautiful as ever, it is society that is so awful, all the good, kind people get s**t on". None of us can ever imagine what the lady and gentlemen post office masters/mistress's went through. Many of them going that extra mile to help their customers and this is how they get rewarded.
This man needs the nobel peace prize
The Post Office CEO who was responsible for the Horizon system should be behind Bars, let them see how innocent persons suffered.
Post office management would not experience what it's like to be imprisoned and be innocent if they ever get inside a prison they will know why....but that will never happen...
A true Hero,
We were able to watch all 4 episodes on ITV even here in Canada and as an expatriate I was horrified .
To hear that even the central campaigner Alan Bates has not yet been fully compensated to date is shocking indeed! One can only assume that the PO are dragging their heels in paying their long long overdue compensation in order to minimise the sums paid out as more people die before receiving what is rightfully due to them. This whole debacle is simply disgusting! Hundreds of wrecked lives! Those responsible need holding to account right NOW!
It's the same 'actuarial' attitude as used by the insurance companies/cartel in accident injury cases. Spin it out as long as possible in the hope that people will die before they have to be paid out.
This could be avoided if people like the Post Office were obliged to pay interest on late payment, and if people do die while waiting, their compensation should go to their estate, surely?
The problem is the Post Office is broke and the Government wont cover the cost.
'The Government' own the Post Office and are responsible for its mistakes. and will be obliged to cover the costs their lack of oversight have allowed to happen and drag on for so long.
Also Fujitsu should pay!@@jeremyboughtono2
WHY SHOULD THE LAWYER FEE FOR THEIR DEFENCE COME OUT OF THEIR COST ,SURLY THE GUILTY PARTY SHOULD PALL COURT COSTS OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING. Jan Horn
I thought exactly the same
I think this man should get a knighthood, that's my opinion.
He has enough integrity to refuse one
He has already refused an OBE because of the continued suffering of the victims of this scandal.
Knighthood? They gave one to the post office CEO mid scandal!
Alan has the integrity to refuse such an empty gesture.
I have been listening to this incredible story ever since it first broke and remember thinking that there are obvious patterns to these events, which needed exploring instead of sending the Post Office gangsters and attack dogs out to these innocent people.
Hat's off to and great respect to Mr Bates and all who were bullied.
Shocking miscarriage of justice, and behaviour of the post office. Thank goodness for a free press and at least a system that does allow for an independent justice system.
These poor people have been gaslighted and coerced by their employers! I do hope they all get their compensation soon, the ‘post office’ were quick enough to demand payments from their employees!!
A very humble and decent person, as I’m sure pretty much all the post master group are, disgraceful to hear there are still some who haven’t got their money back, that wouldn’t even be enough, they’re owed a lot of compensation too, you stole their money, you stole their good reputation in their communities, you gave them criminal records, you stole their futures, giving them back 10x as much as you stole from them wouldn’t be enough, I salute them all for their bravery and dedication in getting this far, and wish them the best of luck for their future battles, the British public is behind you.
Allen Bates is an absolute legend! Like Lorraine says we need more people like him. I hope all the victims receive all the payments and compensation they deserve as quickly as possible and Mr Bates gets that villain's CBE.
They should all be paid full compensation and the ones that have died there next of kin should get the money.
I noticed that Alan Bates asked people like me (not from the victim group) to write to their MP. I did that this morning (even though I'm in Thailand) and I encourage others to do the same.
What a lovely man Good luck, hope you get everything you deserve
Time for the UK people to take matters into their own hands if the authorities do not bring the PO management responsible for this to justice.
Absolutely disgraceful treatment of people by the Post Office, they have lost my business. Pay out Now. whats wrong with Politicians start earning your salary sort it.
PAY what you owe these honest people SHAME ON THE POST OFFICE also the CEO of the PO should be struck off the honours list and prosecuted and she is a Priest ffs
I want the post office to pay for this
And who owns the post office
@@tomjones8715you can have senior post office staff to be held to account, support local SPMr office who are just much victims in this
@@tomjones8715 - The Taxpayer to be honest.
I want the individuals to be held accountable.
@@lotuselise4432 and that’s the point they miss
The latest example of corporate corruption. The church was one the most egregious examples.
Somebody in the post office needs to be prosecuted when these poor people put into jail, they were proven to be innocent
That statement by the Post Office was laughable and I feel sorry for Loraine for reading it out
I loved how Lorraine apologised for having to read the statement out.
To think the PO will sit it out while people die so they can have less money to pay back is disgusting, of the 60 or 70 people who have suffered and passed over the compensation they would of had if they were still with us should be paid to family members who also suffered, the PO should pay every penny back to these people and then be made to pay all legal expenses to, at the end of the day they are the thieves from day one
Absolutley as the injustice affected their families too
The Post office have blood in their hands(money) what about robbing of every single second of those innocent people precious life.
send the bosses of the post office to jail for theft
Real justice is when senior personnel at that time in the Post Office are behind bars…..🤞
What's going to happen to that woman who was in charge of the Post office I know that she left but she should be charged in court and sent down for a long time I only hope it's not too late
In Australia a huge company called James Hardie had a class action lawsuit against them for a product that caused imminent death...... they knew they would have to pay but dragged it out through the courts for years until most of the complaintants had passed away...🤬
Is there a go fund me for these wonderful people? They have been financially ruined too. The payout which hasn't happened isn't enough to cover their losses ,😢 The post office got money from these people which went to po profits !!!
I don't have a tv but I'd read a little about this atrocity some time ago, and the subsequent devastation caused to innocent people and their families. The deceit, coverup, and dismissive behaviour by those who knew the score is utterly beyond comprehension.
We need IMMEDIATE compensation for all including the families of ALL those who have died and may there be public posthumous exoneration.
Also, criminal investigations are imperative.
ACT NOW.
Post Office acted disgustingly! 😡😡
How can they possibly compensate those who took their own lives as a result of the intolerable pressure this case put upon them?
How did the PO manage to "prove" their case in court against these people, as there was obviously no proof of the alleged offences, unless it was actually falsified by the PO or, those prosecuting and judging these cases were in fact not qualified to do so, a massive failure by not just the PO but the legal system and profession as well. 😢
Simply shocking the way these so called "victims" have behaved. If the CEO of a company was wrongly taking me to court, for a crime I never committed, and then hid these facts, I wouldn't be going back to court, I would be walking through the front door of their house.
….what?????
@@gavsmith1980 You heard me. People put too much faith in the Police and the Court system these days for a justice that will either never come, be seriously watered down, or delayed for so long that people don't live to see it. If you really want justice, you need to get it yourself
@jeffmcadam9071 this method just makes it worse for the other victims though! Going through the judicial system at least aims to stop the systemic problem, not just one example. Prevention is better than cure.
Prime minster just seems to think throwing money in compensation solves everything. People ended , people lost homes, people went to jail, people lost friends and family.
They need to bring those involved to justice, cbe need removing they know these people did nothing.
What’s worse if a tv show didn’t bring this to public attention it would be going on quietly for next 20 year
Firstly I must say what a highly commendable job that Mr Bates & the other sub postmasters have done here, national heroes in their perseverance for justice!!
But I have wondered if there has been a hidden agenda, by out Government, behind this, as justification for the ending of the Royal Mail?
I wonder how many of the suffering Postmasters would want that, when in many instances they wanted to serve their communities?
With many essential services to the elderly in those communities
You certainly deserve justice now the world has seen this drama.
Amazing performance Mr Bates you should be knighted 😂
Gosh I hope we get a chance to watch this outside of the UK. I'm in Canada and would love to see it.
this is not good enough especially in the 21 century the government must step now and justice must be done the consequences could be grave
Lawyers making as much money as they can, so a prolonged case is in they’re best interest, simple as that .
What a legend! Well done for him getting justice for everyone who was effected! Absolutely shocking what happened. I hope he gets the justice they all deserve!
Just shows governments and businesses can lie and drag out paying these innocent individuals/families compensation that they all deserve, over 20+ years and they are still waiting, national disgrace and with Government's 40+ years for the contaminated blood scandal.
Why on earth is Nadhim Zahawi given a “special guest” appearance??? leaves a small stain on what an epic story of misjustice played by very skilful actors. Am I missing something ??
06 01 24, How can l get one of those 'Justice for Postmaster's ' T shirts ?
Well done Alan and all 👌
The whole problem seems to be these private prosecutions which I had never heard of before these.
What a truly honorable man, its obvious he is an honest person as he doesn't want the limelight even though he has held those desperate souls together.
And by God they needed it.
On another note this is the situation in many companies, they lie hide blame anyone but themselves, going through it myself at the minute obviously not as deep as this but still a lie by a bank
Brilliant documentary
It is a disgrace how these people were treated and would be an even further disgrace if contacts were continued to be awarded to those corrupt parties involved
There was a similar scandal in Australia - Robo-debt. From 2013 to 2019; over 560,000 Australians on social security benefits received computer-generated debt notices, totalling $1.76 billion. The soc
computers at CentreLink (the social-security service) claimed that the benefit recipients had under-stated their earned income, by using the income from their tax return for the previous year, to estimate their income for the current year - even though it might have hugely fallen - e.g. after losing their job. At least 30 people took their own lives, after receiving their letter. The scandal led to an Australian Royal Commission, which found that Prime Minister Scott Morrison and two other Ministers had failed to check😂 that the scheme was lawfull (legal). So far, compensation of $760 million (£380 m.) has been paid to 360,000 people. PS - Australia’s Seven Network started screening Mr Bates vs the Post Office last night (14 Feb), after huge publicity. Alas, no mini-series yet, on the Robo-Debt scandal (Kym in Darwin)
Government will look after there mate's!!!! It's unreal
Typical tactic of the establishment - kick the can down the road and just continue kicking the can down the road until nobody is following you!!
😢humble man🙏🏻for justice
This is honestly a modern tragedy
There is much more behind the system, they said there was no way there was remote access, the fact that there was access suggests that the program was written exactly for that purpose
The role of Lord Neuberger in the recusal fiasco (Justice Fraser) should be highlighted
Can we assume the HMRC have the same computer system as I keep paying money and allegedly some large companies avoid large bills !!
It was not a faulty system, the system was being used by criminals they should be rooted out and jailed
Someone who should be in prison interviewing people who did end up in prison....oh the irony...
when are you going to ask them lorraine? when?
Only the government is allowed to have shares in this company. Of course .
Come on you unique shareholders…. Now is the time to give these innocent people ALL OF YOUR DIVIDENDS 😡
Mr Bates you are amazing!!!!
The government should have sorted this out but they showed their contempt for the general public .just like their attitude with the covid vaccine mandates. Another con.
The judiciary is independent of the government, but like you said the judges etc have utter contempt for normal people and they have no business self regulating after this, plenty of blame toward the post office but they played their part, absolutely they did!
@@lewismacdonald1516The Government owns the Post Office. They do delegate the running of it to The Post Office ltd board but as owners the Government could have stepped in far earlier with a proper fully independent investigation but chose not to. If they had this would have meant the legal cases and the delay in proceedings would not have happened and the sub post masters would not have had to go through such an horrific ordeal. This refusal to investigate anything that might embarrass the Government is not just relevant to this issue but has become standard practice. Delay, delay, delay until they are no longer in power no matter the damage to others.
What no one has explained is what type of system is installed now and have the problems been sorted?
Why do they still keep saying it was a faulty computer system? They don't know what was happening in the background.
Management in Post Office recognised it was their only profitable activity from which they could get bonuses & awards. Politicians are culpable & want to burt the truth.
I've stood up to antisocial neighbours, those dealing and partaking in drugs.
Decades of difficulties, and abuse from the police and others who I had hoped and believed would back me up, instead I've been criminalise... repeatedly!
I'm looking to create a RUclips channel?
I'm a writer, I've tried to use WordPress, but to little avail... any help from people would be appreciated please?
And this is the digital age which is supposed to make life easier….heaven help us all when AI takes over.
I have watched EVIL on my TV.
I’d like to know how I can help
Don't call it compensation call it returning money that was stolen. With interest.
Good bloke
I love this man
They're hoping they can spin it out until you're all dead
It's very obvious from this interview that Lorraine is furious that this happened to people, she's fantastic
Is the post office still using this computer system?
Will you really going to get the royal mail on on the show and Ed Davey as well
Mr Bates should be knighted. 👍
The compensation of these poor peole should come from the whoever took the Post Office profits maybe those on a massive pension, rather than alway coming from the tax payer, while those in the wrong retire living a luxury lifestyle and never have to pay a penny back 🤬
Mr Bates real life super hero
Jarndyce and Jarndyce. Nothing changes.
Time and again public sector organisations and Central government start to reinvent the wheel by investing in new software systems when there is no shortage of very good accounting systems tried and tested. Some years ago TFL invested in new signalling software when tried and tested software especially Canadian software existed. It led to dreadful signalling problems and huge waste of funds. Same again with the identity card system scrapped by PM Cameron after wasting 8 billion whilst some excellent identity systems available and working in many many countries. I just don't understand it!
Give this man a knight hood. Give them their money now !!!
Now put him in the House of Lords..... that'll scare the gell out of them !!!!!
Great Shitain
Lorraine is on = ITV
Ex royal mail CEO 'Adam Crozier = boss of itv which made this mr bates series.
How ironic