Why Did It Take a TV Drama to Get Justice for the Post Office Scandal Victims? | Lorraine
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2024
- Following the news that former Post Office boss Paula Vennells is handing back her CBE, we’re joined by Gwyneth Hughes the writer of the recent ITV drama 'Mr Bates vs The Post Office' which shone a light on the Horizon IT scandal, and Jo Hamilton - one of many postmasters wrongly accused of stealing. They’ll reveal their shock at how the last 10 days have unfolded, and what they’d like to see happen next, as the scandal continues to build momentum.
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The Post Office actually stole money from these people. They need to be prosecuted for theft.
Exactly.
Stole??? More like rob!!
@@vickysung1263 Is there a difference?
It's all scripted
@@vickysung1263what do you think those two words mean?
Let’s get justice for all the sub postmasters and postmistresses now! It’s gone on far too long. The post office should be ashamed of themselves,and it’s definitely time that the government stepped up and did a lot more than they are doing.
this cant of not got on this long with out the post office getting help from the tory.with titles and honors
They are so heartless and cruel.. outright thieves the post office
Here is the thing- apart from all the other aspects of this affair the role of Lord Neuberger in the Recusal seems to have escaped attention.
I have therefore pasted the following ‘The role of Lord Neuberger in the recusal fiasco (Justice Fraser) should be investigated’ on as many RUclips articles as I could, about ten, but when I checked to see if there was any response I discovered they had all been taken down including Talktv
This Kafkaesque episode staggers one at every turn, even when Big brother has been outed he seems to be still working away!
I really want to know why Lord Neuberger interfered , if the recusal had succeeded the whole noble attempt at taking on the stinking system would have failed
The TV Drama made us connect with the victims on a deeper and more personal level. It became a window on their lives that helped make it far more personal, and allowed us to feel the injustice as if it happened to us directly, rather than the disconnect of a new report or magazine article.
What is the TV drama called and can I watch it without having a TV licence?
@@masterlee2590 Mr Bates and the post office, its on ITV iplayer (or ITVX whatever its called now)
@@DianaVickersUK thanks
It took a writer three years to come up with this drama, and bring it to the general public, what were the hundreds of so called journalists doing? Reporting on the Kardashians!
It was being reported in various places like the Private Eye and Computing Weekly but not the main newspapers. Many of the newspapers are Tory biased so what do you expect.
Computer Weekly reported on the Horizon issue in 2009. Private Eye picked up the story in 2011 and had updates every week since then... to the point of boredom really, but thank goodness they did, because that's the material used by Gwyneth Hughes et al., who created the drama. There are a lot of journalists disappointed that their work didn't create the effect of the TV show... Not enough people read deep-dive articles any more to create the waves that shows can.
Not forgetting H&M
@@judithpride1690 I was living in Australia these past 27 yrs, so it’s only come to light for me now. Yes I did see that private eye and others had written about this fiasco. Newspapers are really just gossips mags and not very good ones at that and the visual media is about the same. Maybe it’s the editors that need a rocket, although hislop has been writing about it for many years.
@@molybdomancer195 The prosecutions started in 1999 and continued until 2015 - Labour and coalition governments.
Surely a BAFTA for the writer of this incredible story 🤞😁
Absolutely. About the most influential drama for decades.
The media are surely complicit including Lorraine? They weren't shouting about it.
Miss goody 2 shoes always waits to see the outcome before jumping in, then she takes over discussing the popular decision.
The is malfeasance in public office - the organs of state was weaponised against a defenceless group of people.
Not sure if that is a crime in the UK these days. It’s so heinous, and I’m reading about this halfway across the world.
Malfeasance in public office is par for the course in the uk. A former police and crime commissioner ( a good guy) sent me a report he wrote, wherein he wrote 'Fraud is seen as a safe way to make money'.
Same for me, I'm listening to this from New Zealand, and the injustices I've suffered in life are nothing at all compared to this outrage.
Heinous
where is all the money the postmasters had to wrongly paid back ? the bosses of the post office need to pay back all the big bonuses they took and horizon and the IT company to meet the 1 billion bill compensation NOT the tax payer we cant keep bailing out the governments mistakes when we are already one taxed , they already stole 78k off us in pension money !!!!
Found guilty in the court of PUBLIC opinion. You can read the details in a newspaper, or a TV news report. But 4 hours of reenactment is "in yer face " .punchy.......
A pardon is not overturning a wrongful conviction. Nor a false admission made under extreme duress and with lies told to the victim.
The government need to get this sorted asap!
good luck with that
This is the kind of TV we need in my humble opinion.
You've reached the States as well. It's on PBS here now. Shocked and abhorred that these poor souls have not received justice yet. Blessings to keep up the good fight and not give up! (Love Jo! Such a sweet soul!)
The BBC have hardly covered this. ITV have hardly covered this . SKY have hardly covered
For 20 years why ?
Its not woke / blended/ trans
You should all be ashamed of yourself .
Yep , but they all covered the ridiculous Covid debacle
@@nishiki7047and obsessed with H&M
Not true, BBC 2015, Trouble at Post Office - Panorama - fact is people didn't care, it was even a multi part series.
For any of the victims who might be reading.
I never believed it from the first brief MSM report on the TV news, when the public didn't know the extent. Also did not know that it would be allowed to continue to affect so many more. That was many years ago. Perhaps going on for two decades. It simply didn't stand to reason. So many even then.
I bet the nasty piece of work who spat in the man's face won't think to go and do the same to any of the real culprits. She would know she would be arrested for their sake.
Do you think that a former head of the Criminal Cases Review Commission was on TV yesterday, looking very angry indeed. He stated that new legislation should only be enacted when all other avenues have been exhausted and that hasn't happened. He went on to explain that the CRCC and the highest court could have concluded the matter within only a few months.
I suspect the misgovernment illegally enacted new legislation (it was illegal as it breached law by previous legislation and traditional law from previous legislations), in order to have control over the amount of compensation paid? Also to have control of any Public Inquiry and the outcome?
Of course, I am surmising it could have been referred to the CRCC a long time ago as well as very recently, and for whatever reason wasn't. Of if wasn't, I wonder why not? Who decided it shouldn't be?
Apart from this, we all know by now that they the relatives of those in uppermost control (bankers, their royal relatives and politician family members etc) tell their lesser relatives now quite long placed in all MSM (and now much social media) what to allow and not allow their news agencies to be bring to the attention of the public. They only ever allow scandals where their own are culprits are the criminals to be exposed when they have a strong enough reason. Such as to distract from other heinous behaviour they are currently up to.
It was on ceefax yesterday that the misgovernment mobsters have "postponed" the Inquiry into the witches brew itself until after the next general election. Of course we know there will be a change of guard again, and who knows if it will then ever be investigated to any extent? Or if it is, then by whom?
Also in the news. Sunak and his mobsters are giving Gibraltar to Spain. This will mean that people from Africa will be able to sail through the Strait of Gibraltar, unhindered, because Spain certainly won't stop them on our behalf. Apart from even more illegal migrants, there will be a sharp increase in people trafficking to and fro. Including and perhaps especially of children.
I am glad that you and other victims have received some sort of resolution at last, if you are all happy with it. Even if it isn't what it should and could have been through the CCRC. If all victims are content to settle for what has been done in such a hurry after such a very long length of time, then it is for all of you to judge whether you are willing to accept what had been done. I truly hope that you all go on to have far better lives in the future.
I do wonder about the loved ones of those who tragically ended their own lives, as well as those who have passed away before this. Not only their legal relatives but anyone they were co-habitating with lung term, especially if they had children or long term but not adopted Stephen children. I suspect they won't have a fair portion awarded as part of the estate of the deceased.
Where distraction from other heinous behaviour is concerned, there is too much even recently for me to list. Some of it wouldn't be allowed mention on yt anyway.
The fact that MSM are still giving so much time and attention to the matter, now seemingly 'settled', is proof it is being misused to distract the public, Imo. MSM could and should have moved on to cover the "postponement" of the Inquiry into the various toxic darts, Gibraltar and more. They could always have returned to reporting on the Royal Mail/post office scandal over time. I expect MSM will drop coverage like a ton of bricks when there isn't anything immediate that they don't want the public to notice.
Remember that they are all at least in the funny handshake club, and are sworn to protect each other right or wrong (even when they do very occasionally sacrifice those of lower degrees).
We must always try and discover the track records and usual decisions of those involved, to see if they are likely to be genuinely for truth and justice or if it is more subterfuge.
Best wishes for you and yours.
@@SuperDoetinchemdoes this mean that BBC didn't have as big an audience?
I’m thinking how many dramas have shown social injustices. From Come Home Cathy (Shelter) to Mr Bates vs The Post Office. I now hope that the money is paid back now rather than the Government waits from them to die
Like all Governments they want our taxes and don't like it when they get cheated but they have no scrupples when THEY owe you money and are happy to cheat you out of it
£1 MILLION COMPENSATION AT LEAST
yes give them their money back please ax
Cruety and torture.. people have died
do not forget the interest
Why isnt Horizon IT paying for all of this? Taxpayers are not responsible and should not be contributing to reparations. This is a disgusting regime we have endured for so long.
Because, although the story had been in the news over the past few years, too many people are only interested in entertainment, not in-depth news. Public interest and pressure could have resolved this scandal much earlier.
It was government pressure that was required, especially from ED Davey he was in Cameron's cabinet during their rush for power. They should be accountable they where paid public money to do their public duty. Grrrr
Two words: election year. That’s why the Tories are doing something after all this time
I remember a well known IRA man describing what meeting British Government ministers and civil servants was like, you do not have to like or know a person to accept their point, the deal on the table was the one years later they agreed on, in intervening years years many were killed including my late mothers friends son who was serving in the army if this television play had not been aired they would have happily ignored this scandal i also wonder if a television play will be written about the PPE scandal.
Plenty of money for wars.
Perhaps we can have a docu series on how Lorraine and Gary will pay their taxes owed
Promise has been made 😂😂😂
ITS AN ELECTION YEAR , THATS WHY !
The post office became the highway man. “Give us yer money!” They stole from the people who worked from them. Shame on the Post Office!
Here is the thing- apart from all the other aspects of this affair the role of Lord Neuberger in the Recusal seems to have escaped attention.
I have therefore pasted the following ‘The role of Lord Neuberger in the recusal fiasco (Justice Fraser) should be investigated’ on as many RUclips articles as I could, about ten, but when I checked to see if there was any response I discovered they had all been taken down including Talktv
This Kafkaesque episode staggers one at every turn, even when Big brother has been outed he seems to be still working away!
I really want to know why Lord Neuberger interfered , if the recusal had succeeded the whole noble attempt at taking on the stinking system would have failed
Jo is such a lovely lady. I hope she can move on and get her life back on track.
So...the Post Office is still lying and trying to run out the clock on this scandal so that no one's every held accountable. What a disgrace.
if ever there was an example and reason to keep cash and refuse digital currency this is the best example out there, computers go wrong, pay masters believe the computers ! then cover up any faults ! it happened here and it can happen on a much wider scale with digital money
Suspect this was more than just going wrong
Allison Pearson on the Planet Normal Podcast:
‘This really is the kicker, because Ed Davy when he left government was hired as a political consultant by the top law firm Herbert Smith Freehills which was acting for guess who, the Post Office. The Post Office, and that's State money, that £275 grand is State money. He was paid £833 per hour amassing a grand total of £275,000 using the knowledge about the Post Office that he had gleaned during his time as a minister to USE AGAINST THE ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN whose representative he had chosen not to meet. I must say I don't think the reality of that pay out, from the law firm to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has properly landed in the public consciousness yet and I think, as and when it does, his position, and I don't say this lightly, will actually probably become very precarious maybe even untenable’.
Take that woman off our screens....Lorraine Kelly of course. Huge support & sympathy for the other lady for what she has been through.
There will be some writefull convictions so make sure they don’t get off and look after the falsely convicted
Tork cheep
Yes it is a distraction, I will lay odds that the corporate outcome will be " LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED" the classic get out clause.used today. Pay these people every penny that the Post Office has illegally stolen from these people including legal charges to boost their profits now and then give them compensation they deserve for this miscarriage of justice.
Where did the money go .
The missing money
Apparently it is reported in the press, that the Post office didn't pay all their tax, then added this stolen money to boost their profits and paid large bonuses to the PO bosses and their side kicks. Is this the truth?
Where do ‘we’ take this ? What are you going to do Lorraine ?
They should all be left: alone 😢and given their good names back. . Plus money and lots of it. 0:00
Its quite simple, the people were united on this so the powers that be had to back down, you see we on our own are nothing, but stand us together, unite us we are an unbeatable force to be reckoned with, why do you think the government and powers that be create such divide between us, age old empire strategy, DIVIDE AND CONQUER
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Couldn't agree more, fella. 👏👏
Well said!
Apparently they were advised by post office helpline that they were only one with problem...LIED to by post office... abhorrent
Because people are a little simple and need a puppet show to explain things.
Embarrassing amount of views!!!!
Lorraine couldn't give toss FACT
PO:
NO FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENTS.
So what
?
😂 Ayr Lorraine & her 💰💰💰💰. Dont mind how much money people make if paying tax are not avoided. Freelance huh!👎
What did YOUR to show do about raising awareness …..now you just jump on the bandwagon.
Put the spotlight on all the others...they will all be busy hiding their ill gotten gains now in foreign properties etc....