00:00 - INTRO 01:45 - Biography 04:45 - Language & social media culture 11:45 - What lead to migrating to SA 16:35 - Experience of travelling other countries 19:00 - The issue SA has with foreigners 27:10 - What were your dreams before writing your book 32:05 - What does the future look like with new tech innovations 34:15 - Why education & innovation need to work together 44:25 - How do we build trust with AI technology 52:00 - Raising kids with technology 56:35 - Should kids have access to technology 59:35 - Thoughts on creating safe interactions for kids 1:06:30 - Advice to government leaders on education 1:11:25 - What is machine learning 1:14:38 - Is learning coding important 1:22:30 - Thoughts on crypto technology 1:27:10 - Technologies worth noting 1:32:35 - Closing comments 1:49:42 - ENDS
Yeses! Pen you're a real conversationalist, your ability to engage in everything said, share experience/opinion and add sauce to the content is something else. It's gift/skill I wish I had
That's the advantage of being born with the scattered mind even if the information doesn't benefit u,u just learn rember you must know something about everything Pen he also did computer science wow at the same time he was an accounted at the bank
This was an epic conversation 🔥 🔥 Thank you for having me on the show Penual. You are an amazing conversationalist. One of the finest minds on the African continent. It was such an honour to sit in your presence!
It saddens me how kids spend hours at school daily... for over 12yrs, but don't have skills they can use to make a living. The sooner more of us plug our kids into tech and tools that can help them navigate the real world, the better for our families.
Just started the episode I want to reply now while the thought is in my head. Science & technology is and will always be the future but it's main purpose is to facilitate & transform how we do things. So on the point of using tech to make a living I think it starts with us & kids developing our financial literacy because that eventually leads to an entrepreneurial mindset & spirit. Once you understand how businesses think & operate you yourself start to view your position & opportunities differently. From that point you can start to leverage technology to do the work that you believe will lead to profit\gain. Before they used to say the kids need to learn how to code, now they must understand prompt engineering with AI how to use the tool to assist in your thinking & strategising to even help you & others educate yourselves faster on complex subjects. That being said some highly technical roles\services are best for more urban environments those in less developed circumstances can still leverage principles in science to farm better, teach faster\easier, organise ourselves & communities to be more productive & efficient. But yeah mandibukele uPenuel noMadam from Linkedin.
… and here I am, trying by all means to implement developmental projects within my community w/ affordable prices for Fibre Internet. This will help the learners and SMME’s to gain more knowledge and skills available out there…, but somehow, it has been a struggle for me to get through these Municipalities 😔😒
I love that you mentioned, this is a safe space. I would like to just say. We do feel safe. Listening to this podcast is what gets me into a cocoon and always come out as a Butterfly. Thank you to every single person that makes it happen for us to come back. Thank you to all the people commenting too. That is refreshing too. May you continue to be Guided by Light and grounded in Love.
I am Zimbabwean, i think we should fix our own countries to reduce migration unfortunately no one is willing to be a martyr and it somewhat seems unrealistic...it is easier said than done
I'm South African, I remember growing up in the hood, there we few Immigrants back then and we would embrace them, no one really had a problem, members of the community will go out of their way to help them where they can. The problem started when our hood was flocked with immigrants, and not wanting to assimilate and respect our culture and the social rules that govern us as South Africans. I think everywhere you go if you want to live comfortably you have to assimilate and respect the culture of the place. Even as a South African if I move to a different province, I have to respect the culture of the place if I do not want to have no problems, otherwise the community won't accept me, it does not matter if I'm South African or not.
@@entertainmentfolloworgomis3169 the same was the case in Zim, we had a lot of Malawians and most were employed at the railways in the cities. They actually assimilated, most would speak Ndebele or Shona depending on where they settled. We did not have a problem with them at all because they actually assimilated and the opportunities at the time were actually there for both foreigners and locals to live comfortably. But in the situation with South Africa, i actually understand why the locals there would be so upset, i mean there is only so much one country could actually take. We seriously need to fix our own countries. Unfortunately im just an ordinary citizen and im just worried about where my next meal is going to come from and its the case with most of us. We just dont know how to fix it
@@lavidaNOTA its easier said than done and it is now a lot more complicated. I myself im deliberately choosing not to leave the country to seek economic benefit elsewhere, i am just trying to navigate my way through and finding means to survive or even thrive on my own under the circumstances. I am not being selfish but i am not delusional to think that i can be the hero either
Who is selling IDs to the Chidimas? South Africans love complaining online but they allowed this mess to happen. It's only a small section of people like Gayton McKenzie who are serious about it. If there are illegal spazas selling expired foods and people working illegally, why are they not reported?
I enjoyed this conversation, thank you Pen. The future of AI is mind blowing! I also remember seeing Street View on google for the first time. Throughout the conversation was thinking of the movie Mother, funny you mentioned it. Danko
Well recieved Pen the God, the Konvo is relevant yet again. I still live in the Ghetto and sadly my fellow kasi people are battling "other things" and that's proper and we shall surely win but I often feel overwhelmed by the oblivion concerning tech and particularly Ai in the hood. A while back on a different podcast Pen mentioned Lex Fridman's podcast and bunch of other platforms that would be of great help. I'd still be thanking Penuel for this episode for years and as an ethical hacktivist, I'd like to advice people to be safe on the cyber space, though it's not easy even so for "pros" but please try to learn as much as possible and share just as much. We are responsible for shaping our future as a collective and I need you fellow South Africans to play along with the other Kids, ya'll know what I mean, we can't leave it for the guys abroad, I think a lot was said and I'd be trying to steal the Penuel show if I typed one more word.
👌🏾… nothing as inspiring than seeing (or bumping) into such replies in the comments section. Filled with brilliance from various of individuals that I’d like to build some sort of relations with…, and begin to work something towards something that will make a difference in our societies and communities (at large)… 😢! I always get hope to never give up on this life thing, and it’s all because of such informative content, followed by amazing subscribers that have good ideas to create change. I’m loving this… ☺️
Embracing new technologies/tools is very important, but we must remain as engaging and critical of the "new" politics that arise out of new technologies. Technologies change and modify social relations. Sometimes we embrace tools without really doing the work on their full implications. Monopolies, control, subjugation are realities that need foresight to handle properly for social outcomes of technology have the broadest benefit.
Yoooo Nicky, I love the way you look things, so informative. The huge problem is that people who're supposed to hear all these things are not even watching💔.. Thanks Pen, Shoutout to Konvo.❤
I love this conversation, there's so many things she left out like the aspect of how disruptive technologies like cloud computing are about to do with the like of AWS, Microsoft and Google, I HOPE YOU BRING HER BACK SOME OTHER TIME so she can educatr people about such technologies.
did you hear the part of how she's discriminated in Cameroon simply because she cannot speak French and majority of those people cannot speak English either.
@@kamohelomoloieish Kamo, I really hope that you one day get to listen to this episode properly and objectively. The biggest problem in this country is that we have people like yourself who’s not willing to listen to points objectively. This is a bitter pill to swallow but it’s true, SA is extremely xenophobic and personally I do understand that it stems from the bad apples (people who left their countries to do illegal things in SA). People are angry. Then there’s another group of people who are xenophobic and only God knows why. I’m sure the powers that may be are rejoicing when we’re being xenophobic in SA. We are distracted from things that we should be truly focusing on. For instance why is it that SA is the only country in this world with this two pot system?? Or let me bring it closer to you… why is it that the illegal foreigners doing illegal activities are not being put on a bus and sent home ? Why are they still here ??
There are brilliant people in every country, but they can't help people that are not willing to be helped. Systems need to be changed in corporation with other people, once they are not on your path, you almost have to let it go for your own well being.
@@Pham33n My dear I think you don’t understand the purpose of coding. I will be able to instruct the AI on what to do for me. This is beneficial for someone like me who has a keen interest in automating my business in the future. Less work for me, more efficiency, more time for myself, more money.
@@knowledgeflowSA exactly my point. When you don't know something, any goal you set based on that thing is 100 incorrect and you will discover this fact as you learn. When you know code and AI you will know that it does not serve your stated goal and be "inspired not to learn" I code and know many data scientist. They have jobs and don't make money in their sleep. But maybe you're special.. Godspeed to you 💪🏿
Living in south africa as a foreigner is just like being tied up in plastic bag,you cant breath...its so sad that home affairs do not know the wish for foreigners,we wish our papers can be renew and we seek other visa to leave,they can write on the permit do no work
Such an informative topic. I believe that the issue is that artificial intelligence on its own doesn't explore enough boundaries for social interactions to not be limited. The addictiveness and lack of discipline in human nature is what will be destructive in building relationships that are intentional. We cannot forsake the fact that humans can not strive alone on technology, human interactions are the core factors of how a nation is successful. So i think people in tech should really be focused on building boundaries when it comes to the consumption of technology so that as human beings we still hold on to our humanity and the ability to care and be there for each other emotionally.
I am from Guyana now living in Florida USA, I lived in Bahamas for 13 years and faced the same kind of xenophobia, when faced with that my answer will be my passport is not expired.
People don't understand that this xenophobia thing is a human thing. You look at families and how guests are treated and see how everything is really just normal
I believe she's referring to the future because, at present, AI is still a far-fetched concept for many South African businesses. Many companies in South Africa are still unsure how to effectively integrate AI into their operations. Additionally, most AI tools are developed overseas, making it expensive and challenging to adapt them to our local problems. So yes, I do think the topic of AI remains somewhat distant in South Africa. It’s similar to when Google and RUclips were gaining popularity, and we were told the same thing back then. I believe this narrative is a marketing strategy designed to scare us into gaining interest in their products.
@@vellyvamba286 I understand your perspective that AI might seem distant or impractical for many South African businesses at the moment. However, dismissing its potential could mean missing out on significant opportunities for growth and innovation. While it's true that many AI tools are developed overseas, there's a growing movement within South Africa to adapt and create AI solutions tailored to local challenges. Firstly, South African startups and tech hubs are increasingly focusing on AI development. Companies like Aerobotics are using AI to revolutionize agriculture by providing farmers with data-driven insights. This shows that AI can be effectively integrated into local industries to solve specific problems. Secondly, the notion that AI is expensive and inaccessible is changing. Open-source platforms and cloud-based services are making AI more affordable and easier to implement for businesses of all sizes. Additionally, partnerships between local firms and international tech companies are helping to bridge the gap, making advanced technologies more accessible. Comparing the current AI wave to the early days of Google and RUclips highlights how initial skepticism can lead to missed opportunities. Those platforms eventually became integral to business operations worldwide, including in South Africa. By proactively engaging with AI now, South African businesses can position themselves ahead of the curve. Lastly, while it's wise to be cautious of marketing strategies that use fear to drive interest, it's also important to recognize genuine technological shifts. AI is not just a buzzword; it's transforming industries globally by improving efficiency, reducing costs, and unlocking new possibilities. Embracing AI doesn't mean falling for a scare tactic-it means preparing for a future where AI plays a central role in business success.
I love this speaking tech and we all use tech whether we like it or not better to learn about all we use, amazing episode actually we need more of tech talk and public learning episodes while showing people how we make money using all these tech tools
Hey Penuel. I love your work. I would like to recommend a lady from UJ who is the head of the Computer Science Department. She is currently running a project that she spoke about at an event called ChocolateTribe. She is an advocate for the enablement of AI to help sustain cultural development and our history as Africans. I think the approach is interesting and I hope you find the time to look into it. Her name is Mpho Primus.
I relate alot by being a "foreigner ' in my own country I really love this country but the people are just kak sometimes their poes , very empowering podcast and changing my way of thinking and my approach . So much problems but let's not let our hearts get cold
Nobody said foreigners should go...we said that everyone MUST BE DOCUMENTED. That's all. Documentation so that everyone can be held accountable. I don't get why people like spinning this topic.
I think the Lady did explain that she is fully documented but has received bad treatment. Yes , the law says people must be documented and that's the narrative that the Government is pushing , but the hearts and emotions of certain people don't care to distinguish between who is documented or who is not. No one is spinning this topic around.
@@KD-us9jm I get your stance. Unfortunately they hardly ask if you're even documented or not, they just become vile. If for anything, let's do better in showing our documents even when not requested for safety reasons. It's bad I know. Let's do what we can, not what we think should happen...at least not yet.
Unfortunately while we do need documentation, my viewpoint is that all those not providing critical skills (as stated in latest critical skills list) do need to go back home. I say this as our country is truly on the verge of collapse and war. Our unemployment numbers both amongst the youth and general population are astronomical! I am grateful to the politicians who are speaking up on behalf of the people, it is one of the only reasons chaos hasn’t ensued. I don’t think foreigners understand how unstable things are, and how close to violence we are…and once it happens, no one will be able to protect them. Both the government or police will be helpless and a state of emergency will be put in place. Our people are calmly and politely asking people to go home, and I think people should start listening…
I believe it may be easy for us to dismiss things when we are on the other side of the coin. Her experiences are real because they show that sometimes it is more than just locals wanting people to be documented. There is a fear that has blindsided us as locals that we group every foreigner as bad or problematic. We no longer analyze rather we are led by fear
Seriously, for Africa to grow beyond what it is now, one of the things we should and must consider is how to do away with this artificial boundaries and business minded construction called countries but in real sense a contraption. Many nations or ethnic group parked together to form a country doesn't fit each other. When different value systems are forced to share the same Political space it becomes more deadly than a nuclear bomb. Proudly Igbo Much love penuel
Pen - love your work mate. I do think in the near future you may have to speak around a political and economic worldview that we may need to embrace to move forward as a country, region, and continent. What is on offer for us? most guests come on and have certain presupposed ideas and not all ideas no matter how good can have a place on the philosophical ideals we have chosen as a country. I love your work though
She's to blame if she doesn't speak a South African language by now! I work with many foreign people and they've intergrated well in our workplace. One of them translates for Basotho from English. If i were to go to her country i'd have to intergrate, learn local languages because no one is going to speak English everyday! Those communities foreign people form in South Africa instead of intergrating bother us!
You can hear English is not her first language, she had to learn that too. It really isn’t that hard to be kind. Indians, whites , Boers have been here for years, and don’t speak any of the African languages, but when it’s black Africans that’s where we draw the line?
@@pridekay6563in theory yes it isn't hard to be kind but no one gives a f*** about you! I'm speaking as a person who found it hard and I'm a South African just of different culture! Had to intergrate, learn & speak. I'm fluent now. Go live at a place you know nothing about the culture & see how far you get with English (inside & outside the country) I promise you, you'll come back speaking French, Spanish etc. A friend of mine speaks Pigeon now 😂 I'm a language fanatic so I don't mind speaking any just to keep practicing. Where I'm from Boers speak Sesotho brother & they fluent especially in my neighbourhood. I found Afrikaans hard but I'm still learning but I digress, to each your own.👍🏾
Nicky Verd is my favorite lady! I've been following her for over 4 yrs! I even bought her book!.. I'm very disappointed in her calling the whole country xenophobic, yet her children are schooling here!. If we are truly xenophobic, would she still be here for 17 yrs? Really Nicky?🤷♂✨
As much as AI has all this potential people talk about, let's also not forget that crypto was hyped up like AI a few years ago. It's also possible that we are living in an AI bubble that may burst someday. Sometimes AI means All Indians, *clear throat* Amazon.
Enjoyed this episode so much. Tried the geospy ai tool and its not necessarily accurate 😂😂. What's the difference between this KONVO channel and the Penuel channel?
Always a mystery to me as to why stay in a xenophobic country! Should we say the opportunists who come to build their platforms only to hate the environment and the people. South Africa is so unsafe but you still stay for 17 yrs and raise your children there! Make it make sense!
@@pulanala1421 yup very crazy! Also, she stressed the negatives of living in SA and chose not dwell on the very positive that have allowed her to live in SA and thrive to the professional level she has attained! Good for her that she has made her mind to leave SA her skills are much needed in Cameroon.
16:04 although to be fair, a lot (l don’t want to say most) of Nurses just are in the profession for the cheque. It’s a field that needs people with a genuine passion for people. Kodwa these days it’s not make sure.
Agree with safety overseas and in SA live in Netherlands 🇳🇱 I cycle 3 am safe when I tell South Africans they get shocked. Xenophobia learn the local language sisi.
French people/ English people in Cameroon? Didn't Cameroon get independence from these two European countries? What are French people doing discriminating English people in Cameroon...and where are the Cameroonians ?
One of the most common residuals of colonialism is language, and if I understand her correctly; it's not the French or English specifically that are discriminating against each other, but rather the cameroonians discriminating against each other based on linguistic differences. So, u have more French speaking cameroonians relative to English speaking, and the bias is towards the English speaking cameroonians.
@@thabomatsaba4824 I understood what she means, thank you for your explanation. Mine is a thought provoking comment to highlight the colonisation mentality, that's just a shame why people in Africa are divided by colonial languages.
Its so sad south africa only looks at the bad side of foreigners in south africa,there is alot of her in south africa but are moving out of south africa, south africa actually got what made america but is chasing away but would cry for work,there is alot of her who are here and about to leave,its sad coz its sad and any normal foreigner with value wont like to live here coz there is so much noise
SA majority are powerless and dont have a say to how country should be run eg laws, visa, economy and this anger or oppression is take out on outsiders who come to share our rich resources of this country which they might not have access to fully. Leaving them powerless and frustrated
I think its just me, but I have a problem with being called a 'Black African'. For me, on the continent there are Africans, African Arabs, African Whites etc. Black is an umbrella term, African is specific to natives of that land.
I disagree that AI will have much of an impact in Africa due to Africa not developed, we still have a long way to go before we can fully implement AI. I'm from Sekhukhune and don't see any direct impact AI will have in Sekhukhune.
It's only too late when you're dead. Have your dreams write down what they are what you think it will take to achieve & decide how long it will take you to get there. That's your plan and once you have that it's about taking care of your physical & mental health, reading to educate yourself and taking small steps towards your dreams & goals. Always remember life is hard and it was never going to be easy but continuously making progress on what you want and what you believe in makes life worth it. Another thing if you don't have people to talk to or support you, write down what's happening in your mind in a book it will reduce your stress and bring you peace.
Im still watching .... but I must say, I feel ashamed of that experience you had with a nurse before giving birth and all other incidents of xenophobic discrimination you experienced in this country... so sorry for that. As Africans we should be welcomed and feel at home at any space within this continent.
… imagine travelling with a train to 🇨🇲, and sign deals with African Companies that will create more opportunities for the African Youth. And yes…, I understand the illegal migrants, of which I do support that they need to be dealt with. On the other hand - somehow - we end up tainting the legal migrants that actually create a difference in our economy to lose hope in creating a difference 😔😒
Look at w african don't want to stay in their territory.If we do us of africa of today soo sure rest of us will Stay wherever we are or move 1 or 2 3 c0untries.Non of us are moving up there.The overpopulated,dictatorships
True, this is the same as those thst claim that SAns do not travel when they are actually referring to migration. We keep on reminding them that migration and travel are 2 different things. Most of these foreigners just love to gaslight SAns to feel superior, total madness.
My queen there's no such artificial intelligence it's also a human program is not conscious for example if I use my native toeng it doesn't understand me It can't even solves world unemployment problem or advice us on which type of education we must follow 😂
I would like to sit down and feel pity for this lady, 😢 she chooses not to learn local language she chose not to learn French but she chose to learn Technology and self-taught. We can't not made responsible for how the world should respond to her.
Surely victim mentality is nice. Learning a language is not difficult. Wherever I go and find people speaking a language different to mine I make an effort to learn their language. There is some joy that comes with attempting to learn a language, it changes peoples perception about you. It is about time people realise that no one will put you on a pedestal if you display yourself as superior to them. You do not arrive at a place and expect to be shown love while you show nothing.
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00:00 - INTRO
01:45 - Biography
04:45 - Language & social media culture
11:45 - What lead to migrating to SA
16:35 - Experience of travelling other countries
19:00 - The issue SA has with foreigners
27:10 - What were your dreams before writing your book
32:05 - What does the future look like with new tech innovations
34:15 - Why education & innovation need to work together
44:25 - How do we build trust with AI technology
52:00 - Raising kids with technology
56:35 - Should kids have access to technology
59:35 - Thoughts on creating safe interactions for kids
1:06:30 - Advice to government leaders on education
1:11:25 - What is machine learning
1:14:38 - Is learning coding important
1:22:30 - Thoughts on crypto technology
1:27:10 - Technologies worth noting
1:32:35 - Closing comments
1:49:42 - ENDS
Yeses! Pen you're a real conversationalist, your ability to engage in everything said, share experience/opinion and add sauce to the content is something else. It's gift/skill I wish I had
Thank you, Victor 🙏🏽
That's the advantage of being born with the scattered mind even if the information doesn't benefit u,u just learn rember you must know something about everything
Pen he also did computer science wow at the same time he was an accounted at the bank
This was an epic conversation 🔥 🔥
Thank you for having me on the show Penual. You are an amazing conversationalist. One of the finest minds on the African continent. It was such an honour to sit in your presence!
It saddens me how kids spend hours at school daily... for over 12yrs, but don't have skills they can use to make a living.
The sooner more of us plug our kids into tech and tools that can help them navigate the real world, the better for our families.
Just started the episode I want to reply now while the thought is in my head. Science & technology is and will always be the future but it's main purpose is to facilitate & transform how we do things. So on the point of using tech to make a living I think it starts with us & kids developing our financial literacy because that eventually leads to an entrepreneurial mindset & spirit. Once you understand how businesses think & operate you yourself start to view your position & opportunities differently. From that point you can start to leverage technology to do the work that you believe will lead to profit\gain. Before they used to say the kids need to learn how to code, now they must understand prompt engineering with AI how to use the tool to assist in your thinking & strategising to even help you & others educate yourselves faster on complex subjects. That being said some highly technical roles\services are best for more urban environments those in less developed circumstances can still leverage principles in science to farm better, teach faster\easier, organise ourselves & communities to be more productive & efficient. But yeah mandibukele uPenuel noMadam from Linkedin.
When are you going to upload Mr Ifatunde's episode?? 😢
… and here I am, trying by all means to implement developmental projects within my community w/ affordable prices for Fibre Internet. This will help the learners and SMME’s to gain more knowledge and skills available out there…, but somehow, it has been a struggle for me to get through these Municipalities 😔😒
@LeratoJuniorLipholo Hopefully the team will see this comment and push. Apologies for the inconvenience.
@@KamoEverythingSA Please keep fighting the good fight.
I love that you mentioned, this is a safe space. I would like to just say. We do feel safe. Listening to this podcast is what gets me into a cocoon and always come out as a Butterfly. Thank you to every single person that makes it happen for us to come back. Thank you to all the people commenting too. That is refreshing too. May you continue to be Guided by Light and grounded in Love.
I am Zimbabwean, i think we should fix our own countries to reduce migration unfortunately no one is willing to be a martyr and it somewhat seems unrealistic...it is easier said than done
It was done in 1979… Do it again!
I'm South African, I remember growing up in the hood, there we few Immigrants back then and we would embrace them, no one really had a problem, members of the community will go out of their way to help them where they can. The problem started when our hood was flocked with immigrants, and not wanting to assimilate and respect our culture and the social rules that govern us as South Africans. I think everywhere you go if you want to live comfortably you have to assimilate and respect the culture of the place. Even as a South African if I move to a different province, I have to respect the culture of the place if I do not want to have no problems, otherwise the community won't accept me, it does not matter if I'm South African or not.
@@entertainmentfolloworgomis3169 the same was the case in Zim, we had a lot of Malawians and most were employed at the railways in the cities. They actually assimilated, most would speak Ndebele or Shona depending on where they settled. We did not have a problem with them at all because they actually assimilated and the opportunities at the time were actually there for both foreigners and locals to live comfortably. But in the situation with South Africa, i actually understand why the locals there would be so upset, i mean there is only so much one country could actually take. We seriously need to fix our own countries. Unfortunately im just an ordinary citizen and im just worried about where my next meal is going to come from and its the case with most of us. We just dont know how to fix it
@@lavidaNOTA its easier said than done and it is now a lot more complicated. I myself im deliberately choosing not to leave the country to seek economic benefit elsewhere, i am just trying to navigate my way through and finding means to survive or even thrive on my own under the circumstances. I am not being selfish but i am not delusional to think that i can be the hero either
Who is selling IDs to the Chidimas? South Africans love complaining online but they allowed this mess to happen. It's only a small section of people like Gayton McKenzie who are serious about it. If there are illegal spazas selling expired foods and people working illegally, why are they not reported?
I enjoyed this conversation, thank you Pen. The future of AI is mind blowing! I also remember seeing Street View on google for the first time. Throughout the conversation was thinking of the movie Mother, funny you mentioned it. Danko
Thanks Mr pen, this was beautiful,, I love your podcast, keep it up my brother, you are very intelligent and well read too, you are a powerful thinker
Such conversation are really what we as young people should always engage in and lastly continue to provide us with such content
Well recieved Pen the God, the Konvo is relevant yet again. I still live in the Ghetto and sadly my fellow kasi people are battling "other things" and that's proper and we shall surely win but I often feel overwhelmed by the oblivion concerning tech and particularly Ai in the hood. A while back on a different podcast Pen mentioned Lex Fridman's podcast and bunch of other platforms that would be of great help. I'd still be thanking Penuel for this episode for years and as an ethical hacktivist, I'd like to advice people to be safe on the cyber space, though it's not easy even so for "pros" but please try to learn as much as possible and share just as much. We are responsible for shaping our future as a collective and I need you fellow South Africans to play along with the other Kids, ya'll know what I mean, we can't leave it for the guys abroad, I think a lot was said and I'd be trying to steal the Penuel show if I typed one more word.
Upskilling our fellow brothers and sisters would be a wise investment in our local economies
👌🏾… nothing as inspiring than seeing (or bumping) into such replies in the comments section. Filled with brilliance from various of individuals that I’d like to build some sort of relations with…, and begin to work something towards something that will make a difference in our societies and communities (at large)… 😢!
I always get hope to never give up on this life thing, and it’s all because of such informative content, followed by amazing subscribers that have good ideas to create change.
I’m loving this… ☺️
Eye-opening conversation! Thank you for sharing…
Embracing new technologies/tools is very important, but we must remain as engaging and critical of the "new" politics that arise out of new technologies. Technologies change and modify social relations. Sometimes we embrace tools without really doing the work on their full implications. Monopolies, control, subjugation are realities that need foresight to handle properly for social outcomes of technology have the broadest benefit.
Man, what a fantastic conversation
Yoooo Nicky, I love the way you look things, so informative. The huge problem is that people who're supposed to hear all these things are not even watching💔.. Thanks Pen, Shoutout to Konvo.❤
I love this conversation, there's so many things she left out like the aspect of how disruptive technologies like cloud computing are about to do with the like of AWS, Microsoft and Google, I HOPE YOU BRING HER BACK SOME OTHER TIME so she can educatr people about such technologies.
AWS is really a big deal, that most SAns are sleeping on... in a country with high unemployment.
Love love the conversation 💕 ❤ Thanks again Pen 😊
Brilliant Sister and very beautiful. My problem with brilliant Africans is the hypocrisy, sista should be using her skills to help Cameroon
did you hear the part of how she's discriminated in Cameroon simply because she cannot speak French and majority of those people cannot speak English either.
What made you come to a conclusion that she is not?
@@knowledgeflowSA and has a nerve to cry Xenophobia about SA, it's like come on bro. Stop being a hypocrite
@@kamohelomoloieish Kamo, I really hope that you one day get to listen to this episode properly and objectively. The biggest problem in this country is that we have people like yourself who’s not willing to listen to points objectively. This is a bitter pill to swallow but it’s true, SA is extremely xenophobic and personally I do understand that it stems from the bad apples (people who left their countries to do illegal things in SA). People are angry. Then there’s another group of people who are xenophobic and only God knows why. I’m sure the powers that may be are rejoicing when we’re being xenophobic in SA. We are distracted from things that we should be truly focusing on. For instance why is it that SA is the only country in this world with this two pot system?? Or let me bring it closer to you… why is it that the illegal foreigners doing illegal activities are not being put on a bus and sent home ? Why are they still here ??
There are brilliant people in every country, but they can't help people that are not willing to be helped. Systems need to be changed in corporation with other people, once they are not on your path, you almost have to let it go for your own well being.
If everyone fixes their own country or community, there would be less issues with other.
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you know what, this episode has just inspired me to learn coding.
More episodes may inspire you not to learn coding. Especially with respect to AI..
@@Pham33n My dear I think you don’t understand the purpose of coding. I will be able to instruct the AI on what to do for me. This is beneficial for someone like me who has a keen interest in automating my business in the future. Less work for me, more efficiency, more time for myself, more money.
@@knowledgeflowSA exactly my point. When you don't know something, any goal you set based on that thing is 100 incorrect and you will discover this fact as you learn. When you know code and AI you will know that it does not serve your stated goal and be "inspired not to learn"
I code and know many data scientist. They have jobs and don't make money in their sleep. But maybe you're special.. Godspeed to you 💪🏿
rank this episode in the top 5...WOW!!!!!
Living in south africa as a foreigner is just like being tied up in plastic bag,you cant breath...its so sad that home affairs do not know the wish for foreigners,we wish our papers can be renew and we seek other visa to leave,they can write on the permit do no work
Such an informative topic. I believe that the issue is that artificial intelligence on its own doesn't explore enough boundaries for social interactions to not be limited. The addictiveness and lack of discipline in human nature is what will be destructive in building relationships that are intentional. We cannot forsake the fact that humans can not strive alone on technology, human interactions are the core factors of how a nation is successful.
So i think people in tech should really be focused on building boundaries when it comes to the consumption of technology so that as human beings we still hold on to our humanity and the ability to care and be there for each other emotionally.
Shout out to Nicky, very big fan of her work
She's amazing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
thank you for the episode. I love technology and how it can liftfrog Africa to the future.
wow such a beautiful conversation i appreciate this sister.
I am from Guyana now living in Florida USA, I lived in Bahamas for 13 years and faced the same kind of xenophobia, when faced with that my answer will be my passport is not expired.
People don't understand that this xenophobia thing is a human thing. You look at families and how guests are treated and see how everything is really just normal
I love this lady she gets it. if you think that AI is a far fetched or overrated topic, you are in trouble
I believe she's referring to the future because, at present, AI is still a far-fetched concept for many South African businesses. Many companies in South Africa are still unsure how to effectively integrate AI into their operations. Additionally, most AI tools are developed overseas, making it expensive and challenging to adapt them to our local problems. So yes, I do think the topic of AI remains somewhat distant in South Africa. It’s similar to when Google and RUclips were gaining popularity, and we were told the same thing back then. I believe this narrative is a marketing strategy designed to scare us into gaining interest in their products.
@@vellyvamba286 I understand your perspective that AI might seem distant or impractical for many South African businesses at the moment. However, dismissing its potential could mean missing out on significant opportunities for growth and innovation. While it's true that many AI tools are developed overseas, there's a growing movement within South Africa to adapt and create AI solutions tailored to local challenges.
Firstly, South African startups and tech hubs are increasingly focusing on AI development. Companies like Aerobotics are using AI to revolutionize agriculture by providing farmers with data-driven insights. This shows that AI can be effectively integrated into local industries to solve specific problems.
Secondly, the notion that AI is expensive and inaccessible is changing. Open-source platforms and cloud-based services are making AI more affordable and easier to implement for businesses of all sizes. Additionally, partnerships between local firms and international tech companies are helping to bridge the gap, making advanced technologies more accessible.
Comparing the current AI wave to the early days of Google and RUclips highlights how initial skepticism can lead to missed opportunities. Those platforms eventually became integral to business operations worldwide, including in South Africa. By proactively engaging with AI now, South African businesses can position themselves ahead of the curve.
Lastly, while it's wise to be cautious of marketing strategies that use fear to drive interest, it's also important to recognize genuine technological shifts. AI is not just a buzzword; it's transforming industries globally by improving efficiency, reducing costs, and unlocking new possibilities. Embracing AI doesn't mean falling for a scare tactic-it means preparing for a future where AI plays a central role in business success.
21:53 That's so true, I had the same experience as soon as we landed at OR Tambo. There's a very uneasy & unsettling feeling about SA
I love this speaking tech and we all use tech whether we like it or not better to learn about all we use, amazing episode actually we need more of tech talk and public learning episodes while showing people how we make money using all these tech tools
Hey Penuel.
I love your work. I would like to recommend a lady from UJ who is the head of the Computer Science Department. She is currently running a project that she spoke about at an event called ChocolateTribe. She is an advocate for the enablement of AI to help sustain cultural development and our history as Africans. I think the approach is interesting and I hope you find the time to look into it. Her name is Mpho Primus.
She is also the founder of Primus Technology HUB
@@ofentshekgatla Please ask her to hit me up. Thank you for the thought.
❤❤ great conversation
I relate alot by being a "foreigner ' in my own country I really love this country but the people are just kak sometimes their poes , very empowering podcast and changing my way of thinking and my approach . So much problems but let's not let our hearts get cold
Howsit Pen! Thanks for this awesome episode, as always. Did you see that Sizwe Mpofu Walsh took a shot at you?
What did he say?
I'm also curious now
@@Penuelism he said you looook like a chihuahua because he can see your balllls from the back
@@dariuskincaid-gc3lp 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pen you are the current God that make sense currently on earth ,people are just sleeping on you
Nobody said foreigners should go...we said that everyone MUST BE DOCUMENTED. That's all. Documentation so that everyone can be held accountable. I don't get why people like spinning this topic.
I think the Lady did explain that she is fully documented but has received bad treatment. Yes , the law says people must be documented and that's the narrative that the Government is pushing , but the hearts and emotions of certain people don't care to distinguish between who is documented or who is not. No one is spinning this topic around.
@@KD-us9jm I get your stance. Unfortunately they hardly ask if you're even documented or not, they just become vile. If for anything, let's do better in showing our documents even when not requested for safety reasons. It's bad I know. Let's do what we can, not what we think should happen...at least not yet.
Unfortunately while we do need documentation, my viewpoint is that all those not providing critical skills (as stated in latest critical skills list) do need to go back home. I say this as our country is truly on the verge of collapse and war. Our unemployment numbers both amongst the youth and general population are astronomical! I am grateful to the politicians who are speaking up on behalf of the people, it is one of the only reasons chaos hasn’t ensued. I don’t think foreigners understand how unstable things are, and how close to violence we are…and once it happens, no one will be able to protect them. Both the government or police will be helpless and a state of emergency will be put in place. Our people are calmly and politely asking people to go home, and I think people should start listening…
I believe it may be easy for us to dismiss things when we are on the other side of the coin. Her experiences are real because they show that sometimes it is more than just locals wanting people to be documented. There is a fear that has blindsided us as locals that we group every foreigner as bad or problematic. We no longer analyze rather we are led by fear
Good conversation enjoyed it
Seriously, for Africa to grow beyond what it is now, one of the things we should and must consider is how to do away with this artificial boundaries and business minded construction called countries but in real sense a contraption.
Many nations or ethnic group parked together to form a country doesn't fit each other.
When different value systems are forced to share the same Political space it becomes more deadly than a nuclear bomb.
Proudly Igbo
Much love penuel
Pen - love your work mate. I do think in the near future you may have to speak around a political and economic worldview that we may need to embrace to move forward as a country, region, and continent. What is on offer for us? most guests come on and have certain presupposed ideas and not all ideas no matter how good can have a place on the philosophical ideals we have chosen as a country. I love your work though
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She's to blame if she doesn't speak a South African language by now! I work with many foreign people and they've intergrated well in our workplace. One of them translates for Basotho from English. If i were to go to her country i'd have to intergrate, learn local languages because no one is going to speak English everyday! Those communities foreign people form in South Africa instead of intergrating bother us!
You can hear English is not her first language, she had to learn that too. It really isn’t that hard to be kind. Indians, whites , Boers have been here for years, and don’t speak any of the African languages, but when it’s black Africans that’s where we draw the line?
@@pridekay6563in theory yes it isn't hard to be kind but no one gives a f*** about you! I'm speaking as a person who found it hard and I'm a South African just of different culture! Had to intergrate, learn & speak. I'm fluent now. Go live at a place you know nothing about the culture & see how far you get with English (inside & outside the country) I promise you, you'll come back speaking French, Spanish etc. A friend of mine speaks Pigeon now 😂 I'm a language fanatic so I don't mind speaking any just to keep practicing. Where I'm from Boers speak Sesotho brother & they fluent especially in my neighbourhood. I found Afrikaans hard but I'm still learning but I digress, to each your own.👍🏾
I agree completely.
This was insightful
Nicky Verd is my favorite lady! I've been following her for over 4 yrs! I even bought her book!.. I'm very disappointed in her calling the whole country xenophobic, yet her children are schooling here!. If we are truly xenophobic, would she still be here for 17 yrs? Really Nicky?🤷♂✨
From minutes 30 upwards she completely changed. Tone, vocabulary, terminology. Fire Black Pen.
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Give this lady a bell's
The Today’s Show Is All About:
Employees Vs Entrepreneur
Lets start with ourselves and our families, if we wait for the goverment we will catch up late, and by then theyll be introducing AGI
Go where you can feel comfortable sis. I think Cameroon need your skills more
you the best lawwd, you the mf'ing best lawwd - mach-hommy
Is her book available as a pdf or ebook?
If you love your children why expose them to this take them home bye we will not going to intertain you to make you better just go
Penuel likes entertaining foreigners
44:40 I live in the LA🇺🇸 & I was trying to explain my SA🇿🇦 reletives how I have 2 jobs in 🇺🇸.
As much as AI has all this potential people talk about, let's also not forget that crypto was hyped up like AI a few years ago. It's also possible that we are living in an AI bubble that may burst someday. Sometimes AI means All Indians, *clear throat* Amazon.
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Sbonge 🙌🏾
Enjoyed this episode so much.
Tried the geospy ai tool and its not necessarily accurate 😂😂.
What's the difference between this KONVO channel and the Penuel channel?
PETITION FOR SCOOP MAKHATHINI
@@simdope8861 Please try him out. I tried in the past and failed.
Always a mystery to me as to why stay in a xenophobic country! Should we say the opportunists who come to build their platforms only to hate the environment and the people. South Africa is so unsafe but you still stay for 17 yrs and raise your children there! Make it make sense!
These people are crazy
@@pulanala1421 yup very crazy! Also, she stressed the negatives of living in SA and chose not dwell on the very positive that have allowed her to live in SA and thrive to the professional level she has attained! Good for her that she has made her mind to leave SA her skills are much needed in Cameroon.
Imagine owning an iPhone but owning fokol land
Lol! 😅… and thank goodness I don’t fall into this trap! Sold my car few months ago to buy materials for the land. Slowly but surely, we’ll get there.
😆😆😆Hello To All Employees
Is it only me picking up a bit of a Shona accent?
16:04 although to be fair, a lot (l don’t want to say most) of Nurses just are in the profession for the cheque.
It’s a field that needs people with a genuine passion for people. Kodwa these days it’s not make sure.
Agree with safety overseas and in SA live in Netherlands 🇳🇱 I cycle 3 am safe when I tell South Africans they get shocked. Xenophobia learn the local language sisi.
French people/ English people in Cameroon? Didn't Cameroon get independence from these two European countries? What are French people doing discriminating English people in Cameroon...and where are the Cameroonians ?
One of the most common residuals of colonialism is language, and if I understand her correctly; it's not the French or English specifically that are discriminating against each other, but rather the cameroonians discriminating against each other based on linguistic differences. So, u have more French speaking cameroonians relative to English speaking, and the bias is towards the English speaking cameroonians.
@@thabomatsaba4824 I understood what she means, thank you for your explanation. Mine is a thought provoking comment to highlight the colonisation mentality, that's just a shame why people in Africa are divided by colonial languages.
Its so sad south africa only looks at the bad side of foreigners in south africa,there is alot of her in south africa but are moving out of south africa,
south africa actually got what made america but is chasing away but would cry for work,there is alot of her who are here and about to leave,its sad coz its sad and any normal foreigner with value wont like to live here coz there is so much noise
SA majority are powerless and dont have a say to how country should be run eg laws, visa, economy and this anger or oppression is take out on outsiders who come to share our rich resources of this country which they might not have access to fully. Leaving them powerless and frustrated
They voted ANC to represent them? So what you on about?
I think its just me, but I have a problem with being called a 'Black African'. For me, on the continent there are Africans, African Arabs, African Whites etc. Black is an umbrella term, African is specific to natives of that land.
I disagree that AI will have much of an impact in Africa due to Africa not developed, we still have a long way to go before we can fully implement AI. I'm from Sekhukhune and don't see any direct impact AI will have in Sekhukhune.
if it memc human behaver how can we bring or develop more behaver so that ai can memic if we are still using ai
GUYS I RUINED MY LIFE WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL, IS THERE ANY WAY BACK? AFTER WE HAVE MESSED UP, DO WE HAVE ANY BUSINESS, HAVING DREAMS???
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It's only too late when you're dead. Have your dreams write down what they are what you think it will take to achieve & decide how long it will take you to get there. That's your plan and once you have that it's about taking care of your physical & mental health, reading to educate yourself and taking small steps towards your dreams & goals. Always remember life is hard and it was never going to be easy but continuously making progress on what you want and what you believe in makes life worth it. Another thing if you don't have people to talk to or support you, write down what's happening in your mind in a book it will reduce your stress and bring you peace.
kwangathi ucharmekile chief😂
His ..... gone totally charmed...😅😂😂
Bill Gates , Mark and Elon they don't have a degree in comp sci but they own technological companies.
Yerrr. AI
Im still watching .... but I must say, I feel ashamed of that experience you had with a nurse before giving birth and all other incidents of xenophobic discrimination you experienced in this country... so sorry for that. As Africans we should be welcomed and feel at home at any space within this continent.
… imagine travelling with a train to 🇨🇲, and sign deals with African Companies that will create more opportunities for the African Youth.
And yes…, I understand the illegal migrants, of which I do support that they need to be dealt with. On the other hand - somehow - we end up tainting the legal migrants that actually create a difference in our economy to lose hope in creating a difference 😔😒
24:02 tourism and migration are two different concept. 😅 And south Africa is not looking to increase the population.
Look at w african don't want to stay in their territory.If we do us of africa of today soo sure rest of us will Stay wherever we are or move 1 or 2 3 c0untries.Non of us are moving up there.The overpopulated,dictatorships
True, this is the same as those thst claim that SAns do not travel when they are actually referring to migration. We keep on reminding them that migration and travel are 2 different things. Most of these foreigners just love to gaslight SAns to feel superior, total madness.
@walkwithorr
The difference btwn travell0rs& migrants is 1st one has go 🏡 in near future,z00gerian d0nt want to leave once they arrive
Ooooch africa is blessed with problems good one 😂🎉
My queen there's no such artificial intelligence it's also a human program is not conscious for example if I use my native toeng it doesn't understand me
It can't even solves world unemployment problem or advice us on which type of education we must follow 😂
there are documented n undocumented ppl
All of them don't want to be in their countries.
The fact that that's all you think about is worrying so insecure
@@judithb6445 you are one of them.
????????????black African
I would like to sit down and feel pity for this lady, 😢 she chooses not to learn local language she chose not to learn French but she chose to learn Technology and self-taught. We can't not made responsible for how the world should respond to her.
Surely victim mentality is nice. Learning a language is not difficult. Wherever I go and find people speaking a language different to mine I make an effort to learn their language. There is some joy that comes with attempting to learn a language, it changes peoples perception about you. It is about time people realise that no one will put you on a pedestal if you display yourself as superior to them. You do not arrive at a place and expect to be shown love while you show nothing.
Thank you Pen l. The lady was amazing 🫶🫶🫶
The she does not talk about giving her kids Ai while she is a good preacher on Ai topic that show something people
Dubai 🙈
Every time I watch an episode here, I learn something new. Shout out to the penuel show🫡
At night we need to sleep and connect with amadlozi ethu