Disassembling the SISTEM51 Movement similar to the one inside the new Swatch x Blancpain
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2023
- Disassembling the SISTEM51 Movement similar to the one inside the new Swatch x Blancpain
In the previous video, I took a close look at the movement, took off the hands, dial and rotor. Some viewers asked if I could disassemble the whole thing to see what the parts look like. I had to drill out the rivets with a small drill bit in order to disassemble it. I think these are good movements, but it suckes that they are not servicable.
Let me know what your thoughts are on the new Swatch X Blancpain.
I personally like the blue one.
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I was doing some research and I found a website where they did a better job disassembling the movement. They detailed everything better than I did and published pictures of the whole process. They even counted the parts. I added the link to the description if you guys like to take a look. Thank you everyone for the support. More contents coming soon!
Don't buy Swatch watches
1.there over price 2.they brake easy the sistem51 due to rust and lake of oil
they will last about 5 years if your lucky
once they hit the water or you leave then out side say at the pool or camping over night water build up inside
and they rust
there not air tight
3.there made by robots so there less jobs to watch making or fixer
4. you cant pass them down to other members of family
5.they brake easy
6.the Hype beside the price of the watch the cost of making one is about 3 dollars
yeah that right most of the money they make goes on pay off or PR
the company is making so much money its not funny and its cutting into the old school watch makers and costing jobs
You got a link?
@@SagnikDasgupta ruclips.net/video/oIQYYNuXGIA/видео.html
I found the pallet fork. Here it is ruclips.net/user/postUgkx1M0OUuXopxAkcvn9_nXCyHEe2wtPzPi_
uh dude based on what you do for a living I'd think you'd have a rotary tool...
Someone finally explained the 'non-servisable' part for me. thank you.
That was like a snuff film. I thought the first drill put it out, then I saw the balance wheel still beating. What a sad movie. Informative but sad. Thank you for your sacrifice System51
You are right, it does feel like a scene from a sad movie. My wife said the same thing when she watched it 😅
Just imagine the sophistication of the machines that assembled it.
I think a 4th grader could assemble it from scratch 🤫!, looks like a pure money grab to me🤔!.
@@cd1934, a 4th grader could, but these are assembled by robots. It’s the manufacturing process that is revolutionary of the Sistem 51, not the movement itself.
@@otraguardia the movement is found on their $160 and sometimes it can at 20~30% discount!!!.
Just imagine the profit made from this cost cutting movement
Watches are assembled by machines since about the 1970 already. Riveted crap was done already in the 50-ties by cheap producers like TIMEX. There is absolutely nothing new in this watch.
All this greenwashing of Swatch irritates me. Their whole thing started out from disposable watches. That aspect hasn't changed.
We need to keep pushing "right to repair" laws in all countries. It's YOUR watch, you should be able to replace your own movement.
I agree, that's why I bought a Fairphone
So if you buy a ROLEX you also want to be able to service it yourself??? hahahahahahahahahaha
@@PoltergeistWorks First, I would never buy a rolex. Second, if I have the tools and experience, why not? It's a watch, not a nuclear reactor.
You can blame the fanbois for this same goes to apple
@@PoltergeistWorksfanboy spotted
It is hard to believe that Swatch & Blancpain have come up with such a monstrosity. They still do not get the point that throwaway products are totally out. Also, good serviceable automatic movements are not that expensive and the asking price for these watches is very high.
Ehhhh the counterpoint would be do you want to spend around the retail price of the watch on a single service? I wouldn't. I'd rather pay Swatch the $150 and get a factory fresh movement. Really the same conondurum with most of the entry/mid range Japanese movements as well . For short money I'll take the brand new movement, those I just do myself.
The price for this watch is $400. Service is not cheap - particularly in Switzerland, but throwing stuff into the world that has no chance of being repaired is just an abomination. I bought or was gifted about 6 Swatch watches during my lifetime. All of them are broken, while almost all my mechanical ones (some bought in Thailand for as little as $50) still purr like very happy cats.@@dubester1982
It's build in a worser way then what you can get for 1/10 of the price on Ali.
@@dubester1982 You can't swap the movement on the Fifty Fathoms Swatch. It is sealed in the case permanently, you'd need to break the case. Also service costs depend where you get the watch serviced. I had my Orient serviced in China for £14 ($18 USD).
@@dubester1982I never understood this thinking. Why does the initial cost of the watch impact your desire to service it? One of the appeals of mechanical watches is the fact you can service them so they can last a lifetime. Why does it matter how much you initially paid for a watch if you have to service it, regardless of its sticker price?
I just serviced my Seiko Alpinist SARB017, and the cost of the service was about the same as the watch when I got it. I can now wear the watch for another 5-10 years and the watch can age with me as I live my life. Me knowing that my watch has the same movement in it, still ticking away after years of service, is part of the appeal of owning it. Who cares how much the service cost is relative to the watch’s initial price? It’s irrelevant.
That was pretty cool. Seems well made yet inexpensive.
I was trying to open my first gen Sistem51 watch (broken mainspring) and was unsuccessful. I probably should have used a Dremel tool to cut open the case. Thanks for this video. I was curious to see if there really were 51 parts in the movement.
Thanks for doing this
Mind blown 🤯 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for the valuable video
Thanks for the insight!
perfect watch
Thanks for sharing. Actually it’s quite satisfying..
Brilliant just Brilliant.
REALLY DID LOVE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO THE MOVEMENT AAAAGGGGHHHH YES
That's sad, all those parts produced just to be put into a disposable watch. It makes me love my $100 Seiko even more!
Very interesting video.
@Time Keep-so it is possible to service the movement? What if the case is plastic? How can it be rmoved and put back together?
So is there a movement that could be a replacement for this inside the new swatch blancpain????
Thanks for the video. I really do not understand the reason to exist of System 51 movements. The allure of mechanical movements is not only in their ticking, but in their durability. I assume that watch aficionados is not the main target consumer group for Swatch, and the main attraction is their colorful cases and dials. Movements is never the point with Swatch watches, so why even engineer such disposable mechanisms?
Amazing video, just subscribed
Thank you 🙏🏼
For your next trick... you have to try a movement swap with the BP swatch 😮
And that's the Sistem 51 in all it's glory.... pretty amazing when you see it all taken apart. Great vid ✌️
Where was the glory in this cheaply made device?
How did they arrive at the count of 51 components? There are 5 minimum in the balance alone. Three in the stem and crown. Do they count the posts holding the bridges and the jewels? I'm guessing they've been creative with their counting.
They counted the coffee cups in the kitchen of the marketing department office.
Thanks for a close look at a mechanical turd. Sad that such s giant would make, perhaps millions of these.
It is possible to just submerged the whole movement to some kind of solvent / cleaner and relubricate wherever accessible?
Relubricate? I'm not sure it's lubricated at all.
No. In a watch repair video of a conventional movement if you had the whole movement submerged in a fluid, it would interfere with timing. You know how it’s difficult to walk in water same physics with watch lubrication. That’s why you want it in high friction areas and not everywhere. I don’t know how swatch expects you to have a functional watch without just buying a replacement and do it for cheap.
😂 that's the old fashion Timex lever escapement way!
@@BarnOwl61 Just a spray of WD-40 and you're good to go!
@@GreenPizza577 I don't think that what he wrote: there are (bad) cheap places that "service" movements not by disassemble/wash/reassemble with proper oils, but put the whole movement (assembled) into a bath of solvent to remove the old oil and then take it out, let it dry and lubricate only the visible jewels. He's referring to that practice.
"OOOPS"! LOL!
If it were held together with screws instead of rivets, would it be serviceable then? Could Swatch Group sell this movement to other watchmakers?
At least it could be cleaned and lubricated. But my guess is that they are selling them pepper dry anyway.
every rivet in this feels like a badge of shame for humanity as a whole, the fact that something like this exists pains me so much
So that's what they look like 👀
I saw a plastic escape wheel. I'm pretty sure the pallet fork is plastic as well. These movements will probably last as long as any other movement until a first service is needed.
Aka 2 week
Now do a sized up 3D printed model of the Sistem51
That's a good idea. I'll think about it. Thanks for watching!
How much more does it cost to use screws?????
About 5 cents. But they are being clever and they are saturated in their own glory from the 1980's and 1990's. Turds.
The drill made me click 😂😂
Now you can put it back together
Doc, time of death? 2:21 sir.
In a normal mechanical watch, not one of those rolex or ap etc, it costs more to service it than to buy a new one so i get the disposable nature of swatch
I see the balance wheel, balance spring, and escape wheel, but I don't see a pallet fork. Does it use a standard lever escapement? Did you find any evidence of lubrication?
I honestly did not see a pallet fork. Maybe it jumped somewhere when I removed the plate that was holding the balance wheel. I didn't see any signs of lubrication.
Sistem51 use plastic pallet fork if I'm not mistaken
It's a grey plastic pallet fork. With grey plastic pivots, to keep the part count low.
Found the pallet fork. I posted a couple pictures of it here on RUclips. Here is the link if you want to take a look ruclips.net/user/postUgkx1M0OUuXopxAkcvn9_nXCyHEe2wtPzPi_
I think that it is common practice nowadays. 90% quartz watches are the same. All smartwatches. But people blame only Swatch.
Can it be ceaned and reassembled?
I don't think it can be reassembled. Maybe if you use some tools with high precision to drill out the rivets and reattach them. Even then, I don't think it will be worth it.
Does the parts count really add up to 51 pieces?
I’ll count them and get back to you. 😁
It'll probably be around 200 pieces after a fews months use. 😅
They are adding more plastic to the ocean (ironically) when the watch is going to the garbage.
Swatch is the only watch company that I am aware of that makes a watch that tries to force you to not be able to own it for a long time. There isn’t a good reason why this watch is so cheaply constructed. It seems to me that it could easily be made to be serviceable
I can't agree with you more. Very well said.
Almost like separating parts from the various layers of a PCB.
they would make it work with a simple threaded posts and screws instead of rivets.....
At least make it semi modular and have the modules able to be taken apart even if the sub components are riveted.....
Now you've gone and done it, lost the pallet fork. Now you have to throw the movement away.😜
lol I know 🤣
Found it 😁 Check it out ruclips.net/user/postUgkx1M0OUuXopxAkcvn9_nXCyHEe2wtPzPi_
System 51 : 51 ways to prevent repairing your movement
This movement is atrocious... Thank you for sharing...
Saving the planet they say. This watch is designed to be thrown away. 😅
That was sad to watch. Usually the fascination of these videos for me is that after a cleanup on reassembly the "heart" will start beating again.
Although a movement is just a bunch of parts, this felt like killing it.
I know. I felt the same way. I really didn't have any other use for it. I figured before I dispose it, I can take it apart and see what's going on.
We have to give some credit to the marketing department at swatch. They know how to sell junk for hundreds of dollars.
That is a sad video man, but infomative
hello!
I don’t care what kind of watch is but I don’t pay that kind of money for something that you can’t repair. Specially, if you’re a collector great video thanks.
Some pocket watches and early military wristwatches were not serviceable.
I have a couple field watches that were supposed to be disposable, but they can be accessed from the crystal side and serviced. Some of them are impossible to open though.
Ok, thanks, now I see what they meant with "no serviceable". What a waste of engineering... Born to be thrown away. At least the swatch automatic from the 80s can serve as movement source once serviced (the watch couldn't be serviced, but the movement could!). There's absolutely nothing I like of a thing like this. And then they make "green" statements about "built with plastic from the ocean" and BS like that, just to be put into disposable objects that will again be trash in few years...
Thanks for the video tho, at least I know I'll never ever buy a System51 (I LOVE to service my watches on my bench....).
But I guess you can replace it with a complete new one if needed Can you buy it?
I don’t think you can as far as I’m aware.
Of, course not. You have to send it to a Swatch Group service center for a replacement movement. Swatch are notzees when it comes to their parts/movements.
I’ll buy the case if you want to sell it. 😂
There appears to be 30 parts, where's the other 21?
I'd like to see you disassemble an Omega or Tissot next. They both have plastic escapements. I bet we'll see similarities to this sistem.
Look, I get it, profit margins drive cost savings. I have an Orginal swatch from 1984 and it still functions. I stil think the Blancpain x Swatch is a genius move. The more people who enter the hobby the better.
Less Apple and Garmin will take over the entire market wholesale save for the remaining Quartz manufactures.
I agree with you. Like I mentioned in my other video about the movement, I like the new release and I’ll buy one myself.
I just wanted to show what it’s all about. For some people it’s okay to spend $400 on a watch that potentially cannot be serviced. Others would disagree.
I’ll try to get my hands on a broken Omega x swatch and disassemble it.
Thank you for watching!
Omega and Tissot are not themselves comparable and neither of them have "plastic escapements".
@@theaussiewhinger Certain watches from the Swatch group using the ETA2824 based C07.1XX(Powermatic 80) movement including the Tissot seastar, PRX and some Certinas all have a synthetic plastic escapement/pallet fork. I doubt that Omega uses plastic escapements too though. What a shame Swatch
@@theaussiewhinger Powermatic begs to differ with you.
This is such a poor construction. This is so appealing.
Why make a watch that can't be serviced, I just don't get it.
bad for the name of Blancpain, it looks too cheap
€490 and then you get a caliber that you cannot maintain. there isn't even a screw, I also have one, if it ever stops working I will take the dial hands off and make something nice out of it 😂👍
THIS VIDEO SHOWS WINDING THE SYSTEM 51 MOVEMENT BACKWARDS,,,,,THIS MOVEMENT IS WOUND COUNTERCLOCKWISE !!!!!!!!
So there are jewels inside that's good.
In theory if would be possible to purchase just movement a watch could be fixed this way.?
@5:02 - where is pallet fork ? I see escape wheel plastic there.
Are they jewels though? Or red glass? or red plastic?
Why get the sistem51 when you can have a NH35 for cheap?
uuff feel so bad, I know its a cheap movement but see it with the dril really a disgusting feeling.
I understand, and I'm sorry if my video made you feel that way. I always make an effort to take care of watches and prevent any damage. However, as I mentioned in my previous comments, I didn't have any other purpose for it, and it was going to be placed in an old parts bin before being disposed of. Thank you for watching.
@@time_keep I know and really apreciate your work for showing us this,thinks that we wouldn´t know otherwise, thanks. I will see more of your videos, greetings
According to several people I've encountered in comment sections for the latest Swatch. I'm wrong, the Sistem51 can be serviced like any other movement if you know the right watchmaker 😁
I've heard it can not be cleaned and reassembled!
@@davidcrandall4958 Correct. It's held together with rivets or spot welds. In order to disassemble, you have to drill out the rivets.
And even if they can, not even worth it (service cost compared to just buy a new one). They are designed to be throw away. Not to last.
@@minhhuynh6492 Exactly
You can swap out the entire movement and install a new one. Approx $200
Bio ceramic throwaways. What next. Recycled Ocean plastic throwaways?
Doesn't really look that LONG LASTING !
Woooowww... totally disposable....
I'd prefer to have a Timex M24 instead !!!!
totally trash. i'm afraid swatch will kill the other brands wich is under itself. by the way are tissot powermatic 80's same like this too? does anybody know?
No it's not. Powermatic is basically an ETA 2824 with different mainspring, balance and balance cock. It's a bit more difficult to regulate tho because it's a free sprung balance hairspring and there's no regulator (only 2 little movable counterweights on the balance itself)
@@AlessandroGenTLe as i understand it means this caliber is "hard-servicible" right? because balcance is main problem for most of mechanical watches. and looks like powermatic 80 is technically hard to service it.
@@hakanbekiri1114 not really "hard". It's just a bit more difficult to set the correct timing, but not drammatically. If the watch was timed correctly in the first place, you don't even touch them after the service :)
Apart from that, it's the very same of a 2824 in terms of difficulty. There are videos around about regulating the powermatic 80, so that you can check with your eyes :)
Also it has to be said that there are different types of it around: for instance those in higher price watches (i.e. Rado) have the silicon balance spring. Some, in the lowerst priced ones, had instead even a plastic pallet fork... Maybe not anymore now, but there have been instances of that.
The PRX has a non silicon main spring but also not plastic pallet fork, so it's a middle one.
Disposable watches worth $400 or more... xD really, people like to waste their money hahaha
this is not a movement but only a shit…the mine one 10 years ago, after 2 years, died…
What an incredible piece of junk!
one way ticket...🙄
What a monstrosity... Sad to see
Why would I spend $1k on a watch that cannot be serviced and is essentially disposable, especially since it's plastic, when there are so many REAL and amazing watches I can buy for the same price or even less?
People sure are stupid.
Did you just buy one of these watches only to destroy it? Isn't it a waste of money for you?
No, I actually took it out of a broken watch I had. You can watch the first video I posted about it on my channel. Link is in the description as well.
A mechanical watch…that unserviceble,,…is a no for me….😂
Does it get cheaper? Always had some bad taste in mouth when someone says Swatch. This movement just intensfied it...c'mone Swatch...I wouldn't buy it...
can you drill deeper, so not need to pry it. really unpleasant to watch as ASMR.
A watch deliberately designed to wreck the environment. Just toss it in the garbage when it eventually stops working. It's so small, it will have little environmental impact. Everything about this is so ethically wrong. They save 5 cents by using rivets instead of screws. Well, screw your bottom line Swatch. Deplorable.
irreparable mechanical watch is really one of the most stupidest concept ever
People have to boycott swatch watches chinese parts 40% movement with swiss made lable swatch looting swissness
Legit garbage movement
Terrible movement
Don't buy Swatch watches
1.there over price 2.they brake easy the sistem51 due to rust and lake of oil
they will last about 5 years if your lucky
once they hit the water or you leave then out side say at the pool or camping over night water build up inside
and they rust
there not air tight
3.there made by robots so there less jobs to watch making or fixer
4. you cant pass them down to other members of family
5.they brake easy
6.the Hype beside the price of the watch the cost of making one is about 3 dollars
yeah that right most of the money they make goes on pay off or PR
the company is making so much money its not funny and its cutting into the old school watch makers and costing jobs
Well I can say I'm never buying any watch with this movement, including the blancpain partnership. Sad.