I'm a boxing practitioner myself but I love Karate, this is one of the most beautiful yet direct and functional martial arts there is when is properly taught and practiced. Karate doesn't work for real life?, ask the guy with the gi covered in blood if he didn't feel the strike. I wouldn't ever dare to mess with any of these guys, they are for real!. Love Karate for ever!.
I was competing in old school shotokan like this 30 years ago. I am SO happy to see the classical way of kumite as it was done in the sport the early days is still kept intact like this. To me this is more interesting than the actual shiai kumite we see now in the main stream sports karate.
notice good fighters who really are good fighters don't bounce around like rabbits when they do point contact or knockdown. They stay rooted on the ground and wait for their opponent to make a mistake.
I started training in 1975, at the age of 14. Back then, we had no pads on hands or feet and full contact to body, light (yea right! lol) contact to the head. This is now the only karate I can tolerate.
This is point Karate. A point is scored when a punch is delivered to the chest. Then, the referee breaks it up, and there’s no punching to the face. This is why Karate doesn’t work in real life.
I'm rewatching this, and both of these guys have been trained very well. They both use open hand guards because open hands are faster than closed hands and easier to block and punch from. This is probably the best 6 point system fight I've ever seen.
actually 4 point (half point - wazari) or two full point (ippon) only in final match. Previous match are shobu ippon: 2 wazari (half point) or one ippon (full point).
Proper kumite, a joy to watch. You have to remember that these are holding back, striking with control. However there was still a bit of blood spilled. In a self defence situation, one full power strike would finish the opponent . Ippon. That is what they train for. It was often said that our blackbelts didn't like training with the brown belts because they hadn't developed proper control yet and were likely to get hit.
Es muy grato ver este Kumite al estilo de la vieja escuela. Si protección en las manos, ni en los pies y pecho. Técnica depurada y muy buena , velocidad. Exelente. Estoy feliz de ver a estos dos combatientes. Arigato.
I am only a 1st Kyu in Isshinryu karate, but I WOULD be a third Dan if i didn't keep failing the kata portion of the test. I used to easily beat the 2nd Dan black belts at full contact fighting. Guy probably broke his nose right there, but he stayed in the fight. That punch was legit, and it didn't help that he misjudged it and stepped into it.
In competition I always hated those forever moments waiting to fight….in the 70’s and 80’s black belt was controlled strong contact, 2 points for head kick, one point punch, . Controlled medium contact for colored belts. We wore protective gear.
Kendo is actually one of the influencers for JKA kumite. Just one of those, but maybe more significant than is often known. Gigo Funakoshi, son of Gishin Funakoshi was practising also kendo and laido. That effected the cautious approach, relatively long stances, long distances and techniques to cover that long distance quickly.
Kyokushin is really nice, but funnily enought pretty much all those punches which these 2 gentlemen did would be banned in Kyokushin, as they were targeted on head. I found it interesting that in this particular match they didn't try to kick, or really throw the opponent. While punching is much more common than kicking and throwing in JKA, all of these are perfectly legal.
When you're training to score a point by just touching your opponent, you're effectively taking the combat out of the combat sport. These bad habits ultimately erode the real world effectiveness of the practitioner. What's the goal here? Shouldn't a Black Belt be a representation of ones battle readiness? As these guys lunge for their points they frequently find themselves awkwardly out of position and vulnerable. Unfortunately, there are never any consequences for such sloppiness because the action is generally stopped at that point. The rules and practices of this sport serve only to ingrain terrible habits within the practitioner that will sabotage their ability to deal with a real world empty hand contest.
The name of the game is speed, control and distancing. The opponent is not your enemy, respect is important in this regard. If you think you are that good try JKA so that you will know.
@@rubendumdum5265 I know what I can do, guys like you generally don’t. Also, I’m familiar with all of your talking points and they don’t hold water. The fact remains that people who prepare for these tournaments are developing bad habits because of the rules. I’m not shitting on Karate, i just think it should look like Bas Rutten’s, Combat Karate concept. None of these point-karate black belts could hang with those guys in a real fight.
@@victorribeiro2431 Probably the best answer here. LOL. I did sports karate in first league in my country 30 years ago and it was absoulutely no problem to stick a real enemy the fist into the throat in the same controlled manner as for stopping it 1 cm in front of the chin for a sports companion.
This is very good ol´karate tournaments like the ones where you had Yahara sensei, Abe and all the other guys that practised under Nakayama sensei (I still have a few of his books). Why was 7:05 an Ippon? I clearly see a clean tsuki but not more than that.
@@LilaKaiTV ohhh ok he counted the previous waza ari I did not know that they counted like that, back ikr n my competition times the judge would only count the actual points but would be "doing the math" in his head, so to speak. It confused me because I thought he did something that I couldn't see. Thank you.
I'm a boxing practitioner myself but I love Karate, this is one of the most beautiful yet direct and functional martial arts there is when is properly taught and practiced. Karate doesn't work for real life?, ask the guy with the gi covered in blood if he didn't feel the strike. I wouldn't ever dare to mess with any of these guys, they are for real!. Love Karate for ever!.
becaus it's not WKF but JKA 😁
@@tuahakhbar ITKF and IGKF got real bangers too, not the gi-fencing thing.
Boxer and Karate-ka. You are right on my friend. 👍
@@tuahakhbar WKF made me question karate 🤣
I was competing in old school shotokan like this 30 years ago. I am SO happy to see the classical way of kumite as it was done in the sport the early days is still kept intact like this. To me this is more interesting than the actual shiai kumite we see now in the main stream sports karate.
notice good fighters who really are good fighters don't bounce around like rabbits when they do point contact or knockdown. They stay rooted on the ground and wait for their opponent to make a mistake.
3 years in Japan 1975 to 1978. Sensei Hitoshi Akiyama.
I am a 2nd Dan in JKA. Watching this kumite makes me proud being part of this association. Ossu!
Why isn’t there any kicking?
@@nicklubrino2606 in JKA kumite we prefer punches than kicks because punches can reach the target more quickly than kicks.
@@jansenjuan9800and there’s no punching to the face, right?
I started training in 1975, at the age of 14. Back then, we had no pads on hands or feet and full contact to body, light (yea right! lol) contact to the head. This is now the only karate I can tolerate.
This is point Karate. A point is scored when a punch is delivered to the chest. Then, the referee breaks it up, and there’s no punching to the face. This is why Karate doesn’t work in real life.
This is more beautiful to watch than WKF's kumite. Glad I discovered JKL
I'm rewatching this, and both of these guys have been trained very well. They both use open hand guards because open hands are faster than closed hands and easier to block and punch from.
This is probably the best 6 point system fight I've ever seen.
I agree with you 👌🏽
actually 4 point (half point - wazari) or two full point (ippon) only in final match. Previous match are shobu ippon: 2 wazari (half point) or one ippon (full point).
Good control timing speed important
Proper kumite, a joy to watch. You have to remember that these are holding back, striking with control. However there was still a bit of blood spilled. In a self defence situation, one full power strike would finish the opponent . Ippon. That is what they train for. It was often said that our blackbelts didn't like training with the brown belts because they hadn't developed proper control yet and were likely to get hit.
Woow! Love JKA! This is real karate!
I agree with you! 👊🏽🥋🥋
Agree! I think WKF should adopt JKA's kumite rules.
@@etrijuni WKF is too corrupt to accept true karate..
@@etrijuni WKF so soft but still ok, anyway JKA is the best
Kyokushin is the real Karate not this.... oaaa oaaaaa oaaaaa.......
Es muy grato ver este Kumite al estilo de la vieja escuela. Si protección en las manos, ni en los pies y pecho. Técnica depurada y muy buena , velocidad. Exelente. Estoy feliz de ver a estos dos combatientes. Arigato.
I agree with you. I guess you’re a karateka also? Oss!
Great karate I'm a 3rd Dan black belt in wado-ryu and I notice the style.of these 2 sensies great kumite they are doing
I am only a 1st Kyu in Isshinryu karate, but I WOULD be a third Dan if i didn't keep failing the kata portion of the test. I used to easily beat the 2nd Dan black belts at full contact fighting.
Guy probably broke his nose right there, but he stayed in the fight. That punch was legit, and it didn't help that he misjudged it and stepped into it.
@@WadeSmith-oe5xd "I am a brown belt, but I would be a third degree black belt". The delusion is so real that it's almost hilarious.
Oss também sou do estilo Wado Ryu , da organização Wado Kai.
This was a real good fight one of the best I have seen in awhile
Great Kumite , fast and hard ..but still control👍👍
excellent referee
Excellent match
The real karate. Fight like tigers .Oss
They are really fast , nice kumite !! Oss
This is the REAL KUMITE...FAST ,POWERFULL AND STRONG
In competition I always hated those forever moments waiting to fight….in the 70’s and 80’s black belt was controlled strong contact, 2 points for head kick, one point punch, . Controlled medium contact for colored belts. We wore protective gear.
When I did Karate back in the 1970s it was all reverse punch now it is all jab (gyaku-zuki , kizami-zuki).
What a speed. WOW. Shotokan has evolved a lot.👍
This is 100% KARATE
fast, hard n in control 👍
imagine the damage these two could do if they wern't worried about points. Im a 3rd Dan JKA. These two are fierce and brilliant.
Outstanding!
My name is 'Dan'...I've outranked myself. 🥋
Oss! You should continue your karate training 😊
look at their belts so wear out almost White
you no mess with these guys
What is this? Point knockdown rules? The highlights at the beginning was better than the video I was just watching for Olympic qualifiers.
The highlights in the begging are their elimination round.
Есть своя прелесть в старом сётокане!
Scoring points like this reminds me of Kendo.
Exactly!
Kendo is actually one of the influencers for JKA kumite. Just one of those, but maybe more significant than is often known. Gigo Funakoshi, son of Gishin Funakoshi was practising also kendo and laido. That effected the cautious approach, relatively long stances, long distances and techniques to cover that long distance quickly.
@@wallyllaw Interesting information.
I can the correlation. Thank you.
協会流の防具ルールを構築して競技人口の拡充を図ったらとも思う一方で、余計なことしないで今のまま「文化遺産」的に協会Styleを愚直に継続していって欲しいとも思う。
Exilent I'm bhakbaet ni Dan of gojuryu karate
You should watch Kyokushin and Enshin tournaments. Full contact.
Thanks for your comments 👌🏽
Kyokushin is really nice, but funnily enought pretty much all those punches which these 2 gentlemen did would be banned in Kyokushin, as they were targeted on head. I found it interesting that in this particular match they didn't try to kick, or really throw the opponent. While punching is much more common than kicking and throwing in JKA, all of these are perfectly legal.
When you're training to score a point by just touching your opponent, you're effectively taking the combat out of the combat sport. These bad habits ultimately erode the real world effectiveness of the practitioner. What's the goal here? Shouldn't a Black Belt be a representation of ones battle readiness? As these guys lunge for their points they frequently find themselves awkwardly out of position and vulnerable. Unfortunately, there are never any consequences for such sloppiness because the action is generally stopped at that point. The rules and practices of this sport serve only to ingrain terrible habits within the practitioner that will sabotage their ability to deal with a real world empty hand contest.
The name of the game is speed, control and distancing. The opponent is not your enemy, respect is important in this regard. If you think you are that good try JKA so that you will know.
@@rubendumdum5265 I know what I can do, guys like you generally don’t. Also, I’m familiar with all of your talking points and they don’t hold water. The fact remains that people who prepare for these tournaments are developing bad habits because of the rules. I’m not shitting on Karate, i just think it should look like Bas Rutten’s, Combat Karate concept. None of these point-karate black belts could hang with those guys in a real fight.
@@pinkydavis6113 perfection of character
Go and tell this to Lyoto Machida 😂😂😂
@@victorribeiro2431 Probably the best answer here. LOL. I did sports karate in first league in my country 30 years ago and it was absoulutely no problem to stick a real enemy the fist into the throat in the same controlled manner as for stopping it 1 cm in front of the chin for a sports companion.
what was the knockout at the beginning? Waza-ari or Chukoku?
0:11
You mean waza ari, chui or keikoku?
Keikoku
This is very good ol´karate tournaments like the ones where you had Yahara sensei, Abe and all the other guys that practised under Nakayama sensei (I still have a few of his books). Why was 7:05 an Ippon? I clearly see a clean tsuki but not more than that.
Because Hirose sensei has 1 point already. 2 wazaari means ippon.
@@LilaKaiTV ohhh ok he counted the previous waza ari I did not know that they counted like that, back ikr n my competition times the judge would only count the actual points but would be "doing the math" in his head, so to speak. It confused me because I thought he did something that I couldn't see. Thank you.
@@efficientguitar no worries at all. 🙏🏻 Oss!
Nice to see traditional kumite, not that bouncy crap.
Muito obrigado por isso. Oss
Нужно быть чуть чуть снисходительны,Это молодые студенты Времена Когавы,Яхары,Нака ушли.
Point karate with kicks to legs?!
Area between knees and hips is not allowed in shotokan free kumite, but you can do kicks or rather hard sweeps under the knee.
it was ok, both of them missed a lot with the gyaku zuki
That’s normal because both of them are good. Watching the video and in person is way too different.
Sorry but doing hikite as ask for the point is bit lousy 😅
Oa..oaa...oaaaa do nothing.....
Not true, this is points Karate at a high level. Who wants brain damage?
It’s awful.
they don't use gloves?😢😢 thats a violation of international rules and dangerous.
JKA Karate been doing this for years since the beginning.
This is All Japan championship. But when it comes to world cup of course we’re using gloves.
In real fight you don't have any gloves or gard
JKA, no gloves at all, and in competitions that use gloves, only white gloves and mouth piece as protectors are allowed.
I totally agree as well as contact does not mean automatically Hansoku.
Nice technic and strong dinamic. I understand, i have 3 dan WTKF