أحسن رياضة في العالم تعلمك التربية والاخلاق وآحترام الضعيف مهما كانت قوتك ...مارستها في الصغر ولا زالت تجري في عروقي ودمي كنت مدمن رياضة الكراطي شوطوكان 😢
You can tell all these men would be really handy in a real fight. The footwork, my eye, strike control. Also old school karate with take downs. Great to see.
Yes the legendary Era of Frank Brennan , Andy Sherry and Co. of the Red Triangle club from Liverpool. I noticed Terry O' Neil refereeing. Perhaps he had retired from competition then.I know it was a knee injury that stopped him competing.
I don't know. JKA kumite (eg. All Japan Championships) is still pretty much the same as it was. Same protection as on this video (none). People are expected to have more control on strikes to the head than on the 1980s, as nobody loves brain damage. But they do lose teeth, broke noses etc. when the control is not 100%, and finalists often have some blood on their gi. JKA has "one and done" ruleset, so there is a lot of cautious mind games going on as one mistake will often end the match. For final match it's different: 3 full points / 6 half points available for each competitor to grab.
At the time of this video (which I actually believe was 1989) Elwyn Hall was a 10-0 undefeated Heavyweight Boxer with *vast* Street fighting experience. His speciality was explosive takedowns followed by strikes. I know because I trained at Marshall Street SKC his home Dojo.
Ini baru sistim poin yg akurat. Harus benar benar masuk dan posisi yg bagus baru dapat nilai. Pertandingan poin sekarang ini terkesan asal masuk tanpa posisi gerakan yg bagus sudah dapat poin. Bisa dapat poin padahal posisinya tidak dalam posisi berdiri dengan kuda kuda yang baik.
I know students who know like 25-30 Kata before they get their first black belt who would get dropped in a fight - other countries didn’t start watering Karate down like we have, and the “Do (Tao, Way)” literally doesn’t exist in most schools in America 👌🏽
I remember heading to the hospital with my first place kata and second place kumite trophies after getting my nose broken by a wheel kick - that’s how we used to do it and hug each other after a good fight 😊
Enoeda Sensei taught them at the red triangle club in Liverpool, he was chief instructor to the KUGB . They obviously had a very good instructor in Enoeda, he was very strick and pushed them hard apparently
Io ho praticato il karate di quei tempi, ed era sport, ma anche Arte Marziale, c erano karateka completi nel. Kata e Kumite, cosa che adesso non esiste più, scindere troppo le 2 cose ha portato a sminuire sempre più l Arte Marziale. Oss
I want Kagawa and Brennan fight. Brennan is not really that good . It so happen he fought a weaker Japanese. had they and Kagawa fought I don not think Brennan will win.
@@davepersich3035 non but I do not see in Brennan a real fighter. he is just a trained one in Karate. why don't he try mix martial at like Machida a JKA (Shotokan style)stalwart.
You'll have to forgive me, but as a Kyokushin fighter and Thai boxer, I can't bear to watch this. Nothing happens. Two men who jump up and down but lack commitment and spirit. This is a safe game Not combat.
I know where you are coming from; I used to box then switched to Karate , but Ive seen what May Thai fighters can do to an opponents leg, and Ive seen their punches and elbows, only the Kyokushin guys are as brutal as you guys are, but lets not forget that to simply win a street fight using Karate is not only possible but if the Karate guy is well trained chances are he's gonna land some real good hits, and drop his opponent. Of course the Thai fighters will do it much faster, but these are trained professionals, not the usual clerk the Karate crowd attracts, all 3 styles can down an opponent, and thats why they are around, but you will have alot less injuries with Karate over either kyokushin or M Thai, and thats why I choose it over the other 2, so I could train in it for years and not need a hospital after practice. Thats not to say any one art is better than the other 2, only that the 2 are much more based on sparring than the Katas we do in Karate. If you train hard at anything, its gonna work when you need it, but you will work your ass right off doing with either MThai or Kyokushin, plus you will gain lots of experience in the ring doing it. But I'll still take Karate, its effective and over time will benefit me, not break me apart.
@@Art-is-craft Sure they do kick that leg, but these guys have unbelievable endurance and I'd bet they can TAKE a punch better than either of us! If you think kick boxing is really unrealistic, take that belief with you into a kickboxing gym and get into the ring and try that idea out! Within 30 seconds you'll have your answer, possibly even sooner! But then again, hey this is the internet, where worms are brave and know everything.
NÃO ACHEI TÃO RAIZ ASSIM, KARATEKAS NGLESES "SAMBANDO" MUITO, SE APROXIMANDO DO WKF SEM KIME. JAPÃO ENTROU NO JOGO DELES, FOI A PIOR FINAL DO JKA QUE EU JÁ VI !
That was real karate, not the tic and you've scored a point. It's a martial art, martial. Look up the meaning. Ippon, one blow finish.You trained to finish an opponent with one strike.
Because it's not supposed to be full contact. Thus body protection is useless (and largely change the game, cumbersome, and you won't fear at all being punched). Head gear doesn't protect you from brain damage, actually it encourage you to take head hits, bad idea.
I started in the Martial Arts in 1975 and was active training & teaching over 20-25 years. Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee had recently invented Safe-T punch, Safe-T chop, & Safe-T kick. This helped reduce accidental heavy contact, and the knots and contusions or concussions that came with contact sparring, especially to the head. Not attacking the head with punches as in some Karate styles and in Olympic style Taekwondo would develop the bad habit of not protecting your own head in a real fight. You are more likely to get punched in the head or face, than kicked in the head or face on the streets unless you are on the ground. Stepping on one foot, all but immobilized that foot and makes the other foot less effective for kicks too. Trading punch for punch to the body is not realistic training either. Using a variety of kicks and punches at different heights levels, like going high, then low or visa-versa, have a better chance of being effective & deceptive in a street fight. What happened to the ridge hand, knife hand, and backfists strikes? Nobody does them anymore, because some tournament rules don't allow them. Most people that I trained with were not trying to become world champions, but wanted to know how to defend themselves against an attacker, most of whom, did not know Karate or some other martial art. I did not like sparring, but I knew it was necessary to develop skill in fighting. It was like going to the lab, where you test out new techniques and changed or dropped the old ones. I forced myself to go to two other Martial Arts clubs to spar more than just the one or two nights a week we sparred at our club. Also, I wanted to spar with different people, other than just the ones in our club. It was like going to a tournament every week, without the need for out-of- town travel and the expense.
Если турнир проходит в еропейской стране и судьи как ни странно европейцы выиграть практически невозмо , только ногдаун или явно это факт и характер европеоидов и тут уже нету места чести , справедливости и совести и это факт
أحسن رياضة في العالم تعلمك التربية والاخلاق وآحترام الضعيف مهما كانت قوتك ...مارستها في الصغر ولا زالت تجري في عروقي ودمي كنت مدمن رياضة الكراطي شوطوكان 😢
You can tell all these men would be really handy in a real fight. The footwork, my eye, strike control. Also old school karate with take downs. Great to see.
😂 contrôle
I was at that tournament as a competitor and the video evokes emotions in me.
A era of fighters of the likes i do not think we will ever see again back in those they really were the real deal.
Yes the legendary Era of Frank Brennan , Andy Sherry and Co. of the Red Triangle club from Liverpool. I noticed Terry O' Neil refereeing. Perhaps he had retired from competition then.I know it was a knee injury that stopped him competing.
Karate Kumite 1990 was much much more impressive than today
@@JD-1187 The JKA Shobu Ippon format remains the same. Check out videos of the 2024 JKA All Japan Finals.
A jka é legal ainda.
Yo creí q era Japón vs África?
I don't know. JKA kumite (eg. All Japan Championships) is still pretty much the same as it was. Same protection as on this video (none). People are expected to have more control on strikes to the head than on the 1980s, as nobody loves brain damage. But they do lose teeth, broke noses etc. when the control is not 100%, and finalists often have some blood on their gi.
JKA has "one and done" ruleset, so there is a lot of cautious mind games going on as one mistake will often end the match. For final match it's different: 3 full points / 6 half points available for each competitor to grab.
@@wallyllaw Oh really, interesting! could you suggest a video for me? I mean about JKA Kumite nowadays.
Point karate... but still ...WAY better than it is in 2024.
At the time of this video (which I actually believe was 1989) Elwyn Hall was a 10-0 undefeated Heavyweight Boxer with *vast* Street fighting experience. His speciality was explosive takedowns followed by strikes. I know because I trained at Marshall Street SKC his home Dojo.
It was full contact!
@@dougolsenThis was the Man I literally copied doing His techniques because they were so explosive, but relaxed!
@@frankrice9520it wasn’t sir I’m sorry to say. The strikes still posses a large element of control. They are also clearly fighting for points. Oss!
@@dougolsen I'd forgotten his name, but yes the great Elwyn Hall. Tremendous fighter.
Great fighting mainly reverse punch and kizami zuki used in all fights. Fast accurate and real karate
Sensei Kagawa era, ed è, fortissimo
I AM ALSO A KARATE BLACK BELTER (JKA). IT'S HARD TO BEAT THE JAPANESE. I AM 74 YRS. OLD NOW.
Yes, I agree.
Karate is very entertaining combat-sport. we don't need to compare it to others like kick and thai and MMA. This is just fantastic as it is. 10/10
Physical training of thecfightersx is something special! Brilliant!
Back when it was Kumite and not a bouncing game, like todays.
Ini baru sistim poin yg akurat. Harus benar benar masuk dan posisi yg bagus baru dapat nilai.
Pertandingan poin sekarang ini terkesan asal masuk tanpa posisi gerakan yg bagus sudah dapat poin.
Bisa dapat poin padahal posisinya tidak dalam posisi berdiri dengan kuda kuda yang baik.
I know students who know like 25-30 Kata before they get their first black belt who would get dropped in a fight - other countries didn’t start watering Karate down like we have, and the “Do (Tao, Way)” literally doesn’t exist in most schools in America 👌🏽
I remember heading to the hospital with my first place kata and second place kumite trophies after getting my nose broken by a wheel kick - that’s how we used to do it and hug each other after a good fight 😊
Old school is always the best
Imagine if they did not control those punches. It doesnt matter if you do kyukushin or muay thai. "A punch is a punch, a kick is a kick."
The KUGB certainly showed the Japanese don't have a monopoly with karate.
Enoeda Sensei taught them at the red triangle club in Liverpool, he was chief instructor to the KUGB . They obviously had a very good instructor in Enoeda, he was very strick and pushed them hard apparently
And Britain also had Frank Brennan, someone the Japanese had to train specially for in order to try & defeat him, that didn't happen very often
Io ho praticato il karate di quei tempi, ed era sport, ma anche Arte Marziale, c erano karateka completi nel. Kata e Kumite, cosa che adesso non esiste più, scindere troppo le 2 cose ha portato a sminuire sempre più l Arte Marziale. Oss
That was my Sensei from decades ago fighting in there, on KUGB team.
The tradition continues!!!
The first fight was perfect!
Kagawa Sensei Tatamiye Çıkınca; Herkes Gerçek Karatedonun Ne Olduğunu Öğrendi.😊
Японцу не засчитали чистый Вазари в начале боя первый бой.
fight two... center ref should have stopped the dance 15seconds in and asked if they were there to fight or dance.
Я тоже так думаю
First big guy (I do not know the name) did not took advantage of his height; also slow and without determination regarding the Black guy
Aí siiiimmm, Karatê raiz, foi assim que eu aprendi.OSS.
Suseki Sihan Kagawa win
I am not very familiar with the names, but is the one at 3:55 Brennan?
Yes, that's him
I want Kagawa and Brennan fight. Brennan is not really that good . It so happen he fought a weaker Japanese. had they and Kagawa fought I don not think Brennan will win.
@@diosdadoapias Brennan not that good?What are you smoking?
@@davepersich3035 non but I do not see in Brennan a real fighter. he is just a trained one in Karate. why don't he try mix martial at like Machida a JKA (Shotokan style)stalwart.
@@diosdadoapias I think he's a bit old now.
EXCELENTE LA VIEJA ESCUELA
Both watched Bloodsport during training
You'll have to forgive me, but as a Kyokushin fighter and Thai boxer, I can't bear to watch this. Nothing happens. Two men who jump up and down but lack commitment and spirit. This is a safe game Not combat.
The distancing is from Kendo. Unlike Kyokushinkai that is closed distance with little to no blocks. This is actually full contact.
I know where you are coming from; I used to box then switched to Karate , but Ive seen what May Thai fighters can do to an opponents leg, and Ive seen their punches and elbows, only the Kyokushin guys are as brutal as you guys are, but lets not forget that to simply win a street fight using Karate is not only possible but if the Karate guy is well trained chances are he's gonna land some real good hits, and drop his opponent. Of course the Thai fighters will do it much faster, but these are trained professionals, not the usual clerk the Karate crowd attracts, all 3 styles can down an opponent, and thats why they are around, but you will have alot less injuries with Karate over either kyokushin or M Thai, and thats why I choose it over the other 2, so I could train in it for years and not need a hospital after practice. Thats not to say any one art is better than the other 2, only that the 2 are much more based on sparring than the Katas we do in Karate. If you train hard at anything, its gonna work when you need it, but you will work your ass right off doing with either MThai or Kyokushin, plus you will gain lots of experience in the ring doing it. But I'll still take Karate, its effective and over time will benefit me, not break me apart.
Kick boxing is not realistic. It is two guys trying to give one other a dead leg.
"A safe game & not combat" tell that to Terry O'Neill
@@Art-is-craft Sure they do kick that leg, but these guys have unbelievable endurance and I'd bet they can TAKE a punch better than either of us! If you think kick boxing is really unrealistic, take that belief with you into a kickboxing gym and get into the ring and try that idea out! Within 30 seconds you'll have your answer, possibly even sooner! But then again, hey this is the internet, where worms are brave and know everything.
Way better than Olimpic 2024
Best time
BRILLANT....
Andy Sherry coaching?
Certainly was. And Terry O' Neil was a flag judge.
unfair judging hahaha its clear that the Japanese team were successful.
This is what Olympic Karate should have been. They threw the baby out with the bath water when they changed the rules.
NÃO ACHEI TÃO RAIZ ASSIM, KARATEKAS NGLESES "SAMBANDO" MUITO, SE APROXIMANDO DO WKF SEM KIME. JAPÃO ENTROU NO JOGO DELES, FOI A PIOR FINAL DO JKA QUE EU JÁ VI !
BS call at 2:20. That was a true Ippon if I ever saw one.
Nice 👍
Hi how can I be an expert
Much better befoe
re than now the martial art...
This real karate
Даже эта версия карате много интереснее и жесче, чем то, что мы видим в 20-х годах 21 века. Если то было танцы, то как назвать нынешнее карате?
Ты прав, сейчас Шотокан балет
@@dfczdfdfdfd6238JKA é legal ainda , tem lutas boas da wkf também , algumas.
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England not fair
how they control that punch..
Kagawa the assassin
今こそmmaに取り入れられている
Thompson Cynthia Miller Lisa Johnson Shirley
That is kagawa when he was still in his prime. I like kagawa and the other British who is boastful to fight.
o verdadeiro Karate!
Wow I seem to disagree with all of the judges decisions No control at all ,
@atletafulltime pula pula do passado!
Katate " To be in the truth" ! Stay tuned
Oh yes!!! Knocked the ego out of him with that punch!😅
Gostei 👍
Japan verses Great Britain not England........though team mainly English
Perez Lisa Johnson Susan Martin Anthony
Think that more real than more now.
Sunderland👍
Ted Hedlund as central referee
Este si fue un buen combate 1:30.
👊😎
MacGyver Spring
Os
Всё это псевдо единоборство. Драка в очереди за пивом мало чем отличается.
Драка в очереди за пивом - Это настоящая единоборство ☝️
Shotokan is much better. These JKA kumite looks like disorganized, random moves
Frank Brennan as well
He made contact... this is a no go in 2024, disqualified 😂
That was real karate, not the tic and you've scored a point. It's a martial art, martial. Look up the meaning. Ippon, one blow finish.You trained to finish an opponent with one strike.
It is more faster ass comedy MMA
Esto no es jka
Они хоть сами себя не боятся?😂😂😂
Ini baru karate bukan tap tap 😂😂
Un gran deporte.
Real Karate
😊😊
للاسف ضيعت من عمري أربعين سنه في هذا الفن الفاشل قتال لأجل التنقيط
Fracassada porque?
This has always been a false measure of fighting styles. Always looks so amateur
real karate, not the wkf shit
Johnson Dorothy Martin Kimberly Lopez Nancy
This goes to show the only martial arts that work are kickboxing, wrestling and grappling. Everything else is just dancing.
Kick boxing is worse. It is dominated by failed boxers and dead leg specialists.
Machida mandou-lhe um abraço.
Sua bunda , o karatê é eficiente. Vai lá tomar um soco sem luvas.
Why don’t wear head and body protection ?
Because it's not supposed to be full contact. Thus body protection is useless (and largely change the game, cumbersome, and you won't fear at all being punched). Head gear doesn't protect you from brain damage, actually it encourage you to take head hits, bad idea.
This is a martial art.....not a sport
Both proper answers.. there must be a full commitment to a ippon with MA.. remaining mind, Kime, Zanchin… it’s hard to understand in sport karate..
Cos you will not have a ton of spongy gear when needing to defend yourself. It creates bad habits.
I started in the Martial Arts in 1975 and was active training & teaching over 20-25 years. Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee had recently invented Safe-T punch, Safe-T chop, & Safe-T kick. This helped reduce accidental heavy contact, and the knots and contusions or concussions that came with contact sparring, especially to the head. Not attacking the head with punches as in some Karate styles and in Olympic style Taekwondo would develop the bad habit of not protecting your own head in a real fight. You are more likely to get punched in the head or face, than kicked in the head or face on the streets unless you are on the ground. Stepping on one foot, all but immobilized that foot and makes the other foot less effective for kicks too. Trading punch for punch to the body is not realistic training either. Using a variety of kicks and punches at different heights levels, like going high, then low or visa-versa, have a better chance of being effective & deceptive in a street fight.
What happened to the ridge hand, knife hand, and backfists strikes? Nobody does them anymore, because some tournament rules don't allow them.
Most people that I trained with were not trying to become world champions, but wanted to know how to defend themselves against an attacker, most of whom, did not know Karate or some other martial art.
I did not like sparring, but I knew it was necessary to develop skill in fighting. It was like going to the lab, where you test out new techniques and changed or dropped the old ones. I forced myself to go to two other Martial Arts clubs to spar more than just the one or two nights a week we sparred at our club. Also, I wanted to spar with different people, other than just the ones in our club. It was like going to a tournament every week, without the need for out-of- town travel and the expense.
Если турнир проходит в еропейской стране и судьи как ни странно европейцы выиграть практически невозмо , только ногдаун или явно это факт и характер европеоидов и тут уже нету места чести , справедливости и совести и это факт
Masao Kagava - the Best !
UK-futball coutry..fu t
Arbitraggi scandalosi, pubblico ridicolo.
VIVA IL GIAPPONE
Boring !! Boring !! Boring!!
The tradition continues!!!