Backfire Mancast Episode 45: Does Cartridge Matter?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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Vitals with a 6.5cm on a bison is cruel. In the ear is the shot on a bison. Bad move
Like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Bullet design is a critical component to understand when hunting as well, especially if you use a smaller caliber on big game. Ballistic tips are designed to expand whereas solids work better to break shoulders and continue traveling through the vitals. A lot of guys don't consider this and that's when you hear about a bullet "failing".
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@@ronlowney4700bison are rather narrow animals, a 6.5cm with a 147gr eldm is enough for a passthrough on the thoracic cavity on a bison.
When I eventually draw out for my Bison tag I'll be taking my Mark V Deluxe in 340 Weatherby Mag. Should be enough.
Plenty of gas in that .340 😂
@@IR8GRANDSRT8 I think so 😁
cartridge matters, but bullet choice is wayyyy more critical than calibre
This
True, but at some point in game size you gotta have more horsepower.
My experience with 3006, 300wsm and 6,5x55 is that there is no difference between them when killing reindeer.
Bullet choise is more important.
I now use 6,5x55 with copper bullets, they combine the violent expansion of the hollowpoint with near 100% bullet weight retention.
The weaker the bullet the bigger cartrigde you need.
2 words Terminal Ascent
Yep… eldx is accurate but not tough enough. Terminal assent is the bomb.
I've chosen a 270 win. I've chosen to load all copper bullets for all of my hunting situations thus far. I love the penetration and the bone crushing damage that the all copper design provides. This year I'm trying hammer bullets, and I was extremely surprised with how accurate and how quickly I was able to develop a good load with them.
Good enough episode to get me to subscribe. Great content and a real world examination of the importance of cartridge choice. I have been saying for many years that the most important hunting advances are in bullet technology. Firearms technology has peaked with current materials/ designs but bullets continue to evolve.
I look forward to you doing a deep dive into these changes and how this trend continues to affect hunting.
Not sure if anyone else on here has heard the podcasts EXO'S " HUNT BACKCOUNTRY PODCAST" or another podcasts called "SHOOT TO HUNT" with a guy named "form" who has so much data on thousands of animals after harvest and tracts wound channel, ballistics, how far the animal goes after the shot, how long the animal stands after the shot. He has a VERY large data base to pull his info from (thousands of animals) and I was very surprised with his findings. I'm a data driven person, not a person to go off of what we have just been told or always done. Maybe invite him on to have a conversation. He's all about getting info out there and does not push an agenda. Keep up the good work
Are these type mancasts going to continue
yes, cartridge matters. there's no "best" cartridge, but for any situation there are definitely wrong cartridges
#1 Bullet Placement #2 Bullet Type #3 Caliber
First time watching backfire2. This is just sad and cruel and shouldn't be shared. I get why you didn't post this on the main channel.
Copper bullets certainly give you peace of mind in regards to penetration but they will most definitively have a more narrow wound channel. Ive watched my father shoot 5 deer with 6.5 creedmoor and a 120 barnes ttsx and all of them ran over a 100 yards before dying. Wound channels were very narrow and left a very small blood trail. Im starting to think coppers that shed petals are the way to go.
“Tell me it ain’t so…” You have destroyed my image of the Cheyenne Indian on his war pony racing aside a Buffalo bringing it down with his arrow. Fredrick Remington you lied. Wait…… replay image. The Warrior of The Plains now puts aside his bow uses his Fierce Rival 300 PRC. Not meant to disparage Native Americans. They would have used a .416 had one been available. “Use enough gun.”
Cartridges were designed to matter, 243 is infamous for failer on deer.
What's up with Joe Rogan over there? Is he wearing sunglasses cuz he's high?
There should absolutely be a caliber minimum. I would put that somewhere around the 308 Winchester and that's not even my favorite cartridge. 8:39
I would think bullet selection is more important than cartridge.
Sun must be terrible in that room………
Isn’t that ridiculous!!
@@pauldickson1495 yep! Almost looks like the chap in the Olympics with the tech for shooting vs the guy from Turkey…😉😂
So bone armor makes sense?
3:17
because it is not the velocity or energy that kills.
(reliably)
both of those are not consistent.
(they decrease over distance)
it is the penetration.
and big, heavy bullets penetrate better,
and the bullet weight does not decrease no matter the distance.
the 45-70 experience validates that.
bullet construction also matters, as nosler partitions proved
long ago.
it is not the "cartridge" that matters, it is the bullet used in that cartridge.
All this tells me is ill pass on the new stuff and stick with a tried and true 243, 270, or 30-06
Honestly think the 6.5 cm is way overated especially for hunting, bigger is better ,and shot placement is the golden ticket together with quality bullet construction
Go O’s!
Who put a president the media so hornary is very good at that wt that said they do make exelent bullets but a bison in my opinion 3006 200gr nosler partition or 35 whelen 225 nospartition at 28000 fps 338min magnum 375 hh and any of the 300 obvio shot placement
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ELDX. Figures. Crap.
Bullet choice is king
That is what I think as well.
Why the hell are people using ELX (cup and core) bullets at Bison, especially at skulls.
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Agreed!
Did the people with 6.5 cm not have any other gun to bring ? Or were they just using their favorite even though the animal suffered? I like 6.5 cm for deer , after that you should move up in power unless you only can afford one gun. 40 minutes is cruel 👎🏻
If you are 12’ away from each other just do the same camera shot without the sunglasses…just a longtime viewer opinion
Between the eyes was with a 300 win mag and the bullet was a Hornady 178 grain ELD-X. Had to wait for the guide to say when to shoot and exactly which animal it had to be so the shot placement was not the first choice. Would have preferred just behind the ear. The cow turned her head ever so slightly and the bullet glanced off of the skull not penetrating or shattering it.
Had a great time and it was a pleasure to meet both of you at the hunt.Would love to have gotten to shot long distance with you but maybe another time
Your trick with the pen is cooler!
Please take those sunglasses off!
I've never heard someone say "I shot it with a copper bullet in the vitals and it didn't die". But I have heard time and time again " I used ELDX/M or Berger and never recovered the animal", or it ran half a mile with a poor blood trail...
After around thirty kills with eldx bullets I reluctantly gave up and switched to Barnes lrx. Eldx work awesome four hundred yards and out but blow up inside of that. Lrx works great from 0-600 and that’s all I need.
Eldx are ment to fragment "blow up" it's how they are designed. Fragmenting is not a bad thing. The larger the wound channel the quicker they die
It doesn't matter, now please take me bison hunting ;)
I like hearing the podcast format for the bison harvest. Great episode!
For big game the 143 ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor is probably one of the worst combinations out there. Anemic cartridge propelling a small frontal diameter and heavy for caliber projectile at anemic speeds.
You should find out who WDM Bell is.
@@jasonshults368 very cool oddball reply. I agree, you can kill an elephant with a headshot using a 6.5 Creedmoor 😁 . And as always, starting with the cartridge is good fun but nonsense. The relevant question is, what do you want to shoot at what distance. Everything else follows from that
How is it that ALOT of biison or elk or moose can be killed with a fixed 2 blade broadhead shot out of a compound bow at 50yds but somehow a 150 gr 6.5 bullet that can creat a 6-10" wound channel (eldx/eldm) at 2000fps isnt enough?
Death is typically killing the brain. Hydrostatic shock (high velocity bullets) pulverize blood vessels, and somewhat self seal. The brain functions until blood pressure or volume ceases to support it Broadheads slice vessels causing massive and rapid blood loss. Starve the brain of blood and everything dies. Both can kill, and both can fail.
Deer are easy to kill ??? ELDX is absolutely a garbage bullet to hunt big game with. Everyone is so caught up in ballistics . Maybe you should have got back farther with the 6.5 creedmore like say 1000 yards isn’t that where there shine . lol. Bullets bouncing off there head ?? ELDX?? You just gave us all the example why the 30-06 is a better hunting cartridge then the 6.5 creedmore.And the hat and glasses gotta go dude . Not for a shooting hunting Channel
Deer are extremely easy to put down. Cartridges and projectiles are largely irrelevant.
Why is the choice either a highly frangible projectile (especially at closer range) or an all-copper projectile? I would pick neither on buffalo from any cartridge.
2:24 How is it that an internet personality/gun writer get to go on a hunt and document "hunting" Bison with 23 different calibers?
It’s wasn’t just him. There was a lot of guys
Good perspectives!
American Bison are bigger and heavier that African Water Buffalo and they get the biggest calibers to hunt with them starting with .375 Holland & Holland Magnum all the up and beyond the .577 Trex. What those African hunters learned a long time ago was using solids fallowed by stout heavy bonded bullets like a Swift A-Frame or a trophy bonded bear claw both of them were made for hunting animals with heavy bones and tough dense muscles. The ELDX is too soft for that kind of animal. What ever happened to being an ethical hunter like knowing the limitations of the rifle cartridge and even more important you the user.
Experience hunting African or North American Dangerous Game animal on the charge. This is why backups are so important. Why a big bore double rifle is legendary in Africa by the PH’s.
Choose the right bullet for the game you are hunting. This choice has to be made before you go on the hunt. Put it in the right place, and choose enough cartridge based on the worst scenario that could happen with the worst game hat lives in the area where you will be hunting. If not, you need to be backed up by a PH that does.
I have been charged by a lion, you don’t mess up. My son got charged by a bull elk coming to a bugle last year. He popped out ofthe Juniper unannounced. Shot him on a dead run with his horns down at 28 yards. 300 Win Mag made a believer out off him. He was excited about the 180 grain Nosler Accubond. When I got to the animal, I told him he had total bullet failure. At that distance the bullet blew apart.