Chinese Special 44mm Manual Wind Pilot for $65. Not for Me!
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Great specs for the money but its just kind of soulless.
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I have several watches with this seagull movement,been ticking away fine for 3yrs or more,one stopped and my old watch man could not fix it,so I went on line and bought a new seagull movement it cost about 35€ dirt cheap! He put it in and it’s been working perfect for ages,cheaper than servicing an eta!!!
Where did you buy the movement from? I have a similar watch with a broken movement
Nice watch. Easy to service. Beautiful movement. My watchmender approves of my Parnis version of this with the Seagull st36.
The power reserve on mine IS 50 hours.
This watch is not disposable, you should find another watchmender buddy.
To be fair though, I've never hear Jody "push" a Chinese made watch with a Chinese movement. I "have" heard him sing the praises and even explain the down side (at the same time) of Chinese made watches with Japanese movements (Miyota and Seiko) that also have sapphire crystals. I've also heard him CLEARLY state, that he doesn't favor the types that use Chinese movements, "because they are quite inconsistent and you really don't know what you are getting or how long it will last". For the average "Joe" one of the Japanese movement/sapphire crystal models will serve just fine. They really are not intended for "serious" watch collectors, definitely not for watch "snobs". That "should" at least be obvious.
I like his channel and content too so I understand your desire to "stick up" for him but my video isnt about Jody or his channel. Its about not liking the wasteful consumer culture that has lead to watches like this that cant be serviced. If it were a seiko or miyota movement i wouldn't of had the same reaction as service would be easy. To me it doesnt matter if your an average Joe or a "serious" watch collector. If the service plan is throw it out I dont think its of value.
@@hammondwatch2808 My point really wasn't to "stick up for Jody". I heard you claim something that was (IMHO) just incorrect. I believe he makes it perfectly clear that there are no free lunches, and "I've" never heard him "push" cheep Chinese watches in the manner that you stated here in this video. Just to be fair, he calls a spade a spade. He gives an honest review without snobbery better than just about any others I've seen. Something that I really appreciate.
He is a marketing entity that is compensated for sales of the watches he provides exposure for. Hes honest wich protects his business's integrity but the word "push" is applicable IMO. Especially given that i compliment channel and dont use the word in a derogatory manner. Sorry we disagree on that one word but thanks for watching.
@@hammondwatch2808 I will agree to disagree.
@@hammondwatch2808 Seiko or Miyota in their low-cost range are less likely to be serviced than st36. You do not know your movements.
I understand your point. These movement can be bought around 30 dollars on Aliexpress. If the movement breaks down. Buy another and replace the movement yourself. And when the movement is no longer available you always can swap it for a eta that will fit your case imho.
Wow this watch is over lubricated? Coz i heard seagull movement tends to not lubricated and regulated out of the factory. Bought the black version, cant wait for it
I guess they need to put some 10x price tag on these nice watches in order to meet expectations of "some" youtubers.
What a dumb comment. I have a videos praising the hell out of the Escapement Time Flieger and Pagani Datejust. This just isn't that nice of a watch. Plenty of great affordable watches on Aliexpress. This isn't one of them.
@@hammondwatch2808 Ok, I apologize then. But I still think that this watch is no where to be considered as "disposable". This is an unfortunate reasoning in my opinion.
I buy watches up to $300 Price point. I consider them all disposable. The only thing I will buy is a battery.I never have to worry about paying for service or replacing anything. I have about 40 watches and love them all. It’s jewelry, and that’s it. We don’t need watches to tell time anymore,and how many people actually dive.SEIKO IS KING
I like watches for the craftsmanship and innovation especially within the movement. There is something very satisfying about a machine powered by your body that doesnt create waste (just like bikes).If its a battery powered bracelet that one day is getting thrown out i dont get buying 40 but do you bud. Im just not into the wasteful toss it and get another one mind set. I dive but use a dive computer like everybody else and yes seiko is awesome.
I just bought this watch and am waiting for it to arrive. I want to disassemble this watch and clean it and service it. If I ruin this watch or break something I will order another movement and try it again. There are wonderful resources online that show you step by step how to service the 6497 seagull movement. I am planning to practice with this watch also. Until I begin to learn a few of the basics. This movement is used by watch making schools because it is simple and kind of big so a beginner can see what is going on. I think this watch is wonderful because it gives me an opportunity to tinker on a very nice movement. If I excel at all with this watch I can always buy a real ETA 6497 some day in the future which is a much better quality movement.
You can't buy anything "timeless" for 65$, not really. But this one is a bargain, if you are lucky on QC, it can last you for years
Agreed Its luck of the draw. Maybe value packed, maybe trash. The closest thing to timeless for $65 is a seiko 5 or a gshock IMO.
I wish someone starts off where MAKTIME left off. We who love Russian chronographs would love to see that happen. Strela is powered by a Chinese movement.
But I plan on buying a Parnis.
I have one similar to this, more than 8 years and still ticking...👍🏻
Very nice 👍
Nice review, I agree regarding the "disposable" aspect of these cheap watches. A watch should last and even outlive the owner.
You have some valid points but there are some issues you may want to consider. Swatch group has made getting ETA parts very difficult so repairing your 6497/6498 is going to be more costly. Now that ETA movement can be bought on ebay for around $100. A brand new Seagull ST movement is around $60 and also has a higher frequency than the standard 6497/6498. And with that $100 6497/6498, they are usually going to be used, so get ready for paying to have it serviced. My suggestion, by the Seagull movement and buy a case, dial, hands and strap and build it yourself.
Good point. I cant argue with the cost side of things, Seagull will always be cheaper for a very similar and sometimes superior (beat rate) product. I just cant get behind a movement that cant be serviced. If they made parts readily available so that they could be serviced and perhaps offered upgraded components I would have no issue. I will say it's painful when your service is more expensive than a new movement though.
I would buy it any ways.
Overtime Seagull movements will become common.
Sooner or later Seagull might even make parts interchangeable. It's only a matter of time.
If I Frankenstein it by using an incabloc so be it. Darned Ukrainians are legend taking old Soviet watches and slightly upgrade them.
So a good watchmrnder might do the same for a Seagull chrono..
Chinese watches are great for the money these days.
Workhorse, robust and you can always buy a new movement. So, why is it disposable?
You can't fix the movement. It would be like buying a car thats engine cant be repaired. It could still be cheap enough to sell but its wasteful to keep replacing it. It also defeats the purpose of buying automatic watches when you remove their longevity, IMO.
@@hammondwatch2808 I agree with your philosophy re: these Chinese movements. One slight nuance: the movements can be "serviced" just not repaired. However, tit amounts to the same thing: As you've pointed out, there are no spare parts and even buying a second movement for parts is wasteful (ie replacing a balance or mainspring leaves you with a parts watch needing a balance or mainspring-so you can only do that once and you have a scavenged movement useless for that part. (perhaps mainspring is the wrong parts choice since that can be ordered by dimensions but you know what I mean). A watchmaker wouldn't want to take on the job of servicing because, should he/she find anything needing replacement, he/she probably has more $ in time spent than the replacement movement costs and the cost will rapidly exceed the original purchase cost of the watch. Basically the end result is exactly as you've pointed out.
I've had a Tudor submariner from new in 1984. It has been service multiple times but the only itemized replacement parts (I'm aware of) have been case related (tube, bezel insert? (to replace the missing lume dot) and bracelet. However I'm guessing that the mainspring replacement is done as a matter of course during the core service and not itemized. Rolex will no longer service it due to a lack of parts in their system(once again I'm assuming case related). Other watchmakers will still service the 2428 movement it contains.
When the movement becomes a problem replace it with an ETA. Problem solved and you have your cake and eat it too
By throwing out the original movement for something better the problem is solved? That only solves having to repeat the process again not the wasteful nature of these types of watches.
@@hammondwatch2808 you are assuming the movement will fail. Eta movements require maintenance as will the 3600. These products already exist so why not spend $200 rather than $3000 for the same product with a different label. When the movement has a problem spend $200 for an ETA. Use the extra $2800 to buy yourself some more recycle bins .
No, im assuming the watch will need service which it will. When you take it to get "serviced" its getting the movement replaced since parts arent available. Also i dont argue thar route is cheaper. I expess my disappointment in the wasteful nature of buying cheap from China planning to throw it out to get another.
@@hammondwatch2808 you do not throw it out. You improve it , when it needs service by replacing the movement, and save a great deal of money on what you might have purchased. Then use the savings for more productive issues. In the end you have your cake and eat it too.
@@petert3412 The movement is what I am talking about throwing out. Having a movement that cant be serviced and must be thrown out for another is wasteful the same way buying any cheap disposable product is. Its the same reason i dont love quartz or smart watches but really bud its whatever floats your boat.
you got what you paid for
Exactly!
I've got a similar type B flieger but with a crazy twist: it's got a high beat quartz (Seiko VH31), great stuff, doesn't work as smooth as a mechanical watch I admit, but is sure to last a whole lot longer than a chinese mechanical movement, it's all about how you want to use and for how long, when anything like "soul" gets into the conversation the snobbery kicks down the door and barges in. Most people dislike watch snobs let's be real.
I like your take and personally would prefer a good quartz (yes good quartz) watch over this type of product. That VH31 will outlast a dozen of these poorly constructed movements. Cheap doesn't mean low quality, you just have to consider what your trading in. I would take the longevity of a quartz/digital watch over the sapphire and a hand wind movement in one of these 7 days out of the week.