Thanks dude, I just took at ST3600 completely apart and got it back together!!! Super excited about this!!! I've been moding watches and got a little board with it all, this is more interesting and fun. Hoping to get to the point I can do a service, if not just on my own watches to bring some vintage pieces back to life.
Top work Jeremy! And I agree, taking a watch apart and putting it back together is definitely satisfying, especially watching the balance wheel kick back up 🤌 JSG
I got one of these straight from China for $41 shipped, and it's literally my most accurate watch. I didn't need to adjust or service it or anything, it came straight from the factory with less than +-2 seconds per day
@@jsgwatches I actually have an ST1901 chronograph movement (non swan neck version), and sadly enough, it's actually my least accurate movement, yet it's still well within a decent standard and is absolutely beautiful to look at. The non swan neck version isn't nearly as accurate as the 3600, however it is still a very pretty movement, and they're both really nice to own 😌
You're videos are wonderful...great production and presentation. When I first noticed the video description and thumbnail, the movement looked the same as the one in my 2007 Panerai Black Seal PAM183 "clone" that a friend sold me for $125 new. I've worn that watch twice a week since 2007 and it's been pretty much perfect. I alternate it with my Omega Speedmaster Professional, my Rolex Datejust from 1969, and a Bulova Lunar Pilot. That Seagull movement has been so accurate. I recently had it regulated for the first time and it was +- 8 seconds...after 15 years of use. After regulation it was +- 2 seconds.
Greetings from the Nap Valley. I think your videos are great I'm hooked. I just sprung for a microscope and am working on a camera setup. I'm determined to master this skill. I'm 77 with a long background in mechanical trade. I still have a steady hand and good eyesight. My major issue is to remember assembly and disassembly order. I completely admire watching folks like yourself that make it look so easy. I'm now fabrication a plexiglass side and end shield on my bench hoping it will help those flying little parts. Thanks for your great videos. Jerry
Tianjin Seagull is sort of hit or miss as an ebouche maker, but when they make sure their own movements are lubricated properly on their own watches, they're very impressive. Dial and hands come from a brand called Parnis, I'd be willing the case does too, but no telling.
This movement is basically Seagulls version of the Unitas 6@@@ range of movements. Same movement Pam 111 used to have inside. Seagull definitely has made their movements far better than they used to. Great video. Subscribed.
Thank you for your tutorial. With your guidance, I was able to disassemble and reassembled the seagull st36 with my first attempt. It was an awesome feeling seeing that balance wheel kick start.
Seagull have certainly upped their game in several movements, the dry movement problem is still a persisting issue where movements are leaving the factory unoiled on certain parts but once corrected you should get a decent 10 year service window at least. I'm seriously looking at getting one of the Seagull mechanical chronograph movements and building from that, maybe a repro TinTin as the movement is only 58 dollars and I reckon 100-150 dollars would get you the parts for a decent mech chrono based around the Venus 175 build which is basically an up to date Strela movement, indeed I have a pristine porcelain Sekonda Strela dial here and if the measurements are correct I can have a beautiful Soviet dialled mech chrono. Did enjoy your video.
I'm new here, but for a cheap watch, the finish on the outer surfaces of the movement, and that dial are really very, very nice. The blued screws make a nice statement as well.
I worked for rolex the reason you can't buy one from an AD is because roles do there research into who they sell to (very snobbish I know!) But if you walk into a shop to buy one they will tell you its out of stock and take all your details and tell you you will be placed onto a waiting list it isn't the case it's more a case of ifnyour face fits
@@occamsrazor3128 I've heard Oprah Winfrey mention she was shunned in a high end ladies purse shop in Paris. Oprah asked how much a particular bag was and the sales lady said, "That bag does not suit you." Actually, not sure it was Paris, but is was a European city and not US. Maybe Switzerland.
What I immediately noticed about your Seagull ST36 watch, is how smooth the indented pieces are, that cradle the movements. I like that feature in watches...
Nice video. It's a great watch to work on and looks beautifull. Now you know that you pay way to much for a Panerai... Some tips: don't use a metal tweezer to pick up the dial. The dial will be damaged for sure. And when getting the mainspring out, get the dial out of the way! Or don't you love your dial? Next: NEVER use your US cleaner for the delicate movement parts. They will be damaged for sure! Try a piece of aluminium foil and you know what I mean.... Oh, and the crown wheel is wrong lubricated. The ring doesn't turn, lubricate the outer diameter of the ring. That part touches the rotating crown wheel. Have fun!
That is an excellent video. Camera work was good with clear closeups and the diction was clear, nicely paced and at a good even volume. I've just taken delivery of one of those movements as a start for my watch repair hobby, as soon as I get all the tools etc I'll hoe into it. If I can get mine running with the same accuracy as yours then I'll be well chuffed. Thanks!👍
One thing you didn't mention is that the crown wheel screw is an anti clockwise thread. New hobbyists could break it trying to remove it if they don't know this.
I remembered that when taking the watch apart but the next day I spent 45 minutes trying to get it back in until I remembered. This is my first watch disassembly and assembly.
Great video I pretty much got the same setup as my first project a while ago and now watched your video for the first time! I agree 100% this movement is great for getting the first steps done in this wonderful crafts.
That movement fits in my 4040 Bergeon movement holder:) I have the exact same watch. I just swapped dial, hands, stem and crown. Runs nice, but without service there will always be longterm concerns. I cannot imagine this movement being nicely lubricated for the price. The problem is that underlubrication actually doesn't manifest clearly when a watch is new. Unlike overlubrication (Seiko disease!), which results in low amplitude (under 200°) and inaccuracy.
I mistakenly bought the 4039-p movement holder which only holds movements up to ~25mm 😩 ended up using a case holder for this watch 😅 rumour has it that these Seagul movements leave the factory without any lubrication or regulation, they work an absolute charm once serviced though!
The first watch I started on was a vintage Seiko LM. after alot of work and reading and scouring the net for old parts I got it running like a peach. I was so happy with myself but after a while a non repairable part just failed on me for just being old and it was kaputs (second driving wheel). Four hundred quid in the bin. It could have been any other part within and id be able to fix it at that point but this was the only riveted gear on the whole bloody watch.
I’ve actually just bought 2x seiko LM’s for future videos with faulty quickset stars, hoping to get them up and running without hiccups, but will be the first time working on a seiko 🙏
I am contemplating getting one just because it looks easy to service on your own.I thought that before i even saw this video. As it's a large movement and simple.
Just bought watch from link, gonna try to take this movement apart and put it back together again, following your brilliant video. If I manage to do this, this cheap little watch will become my favourite watch in my collection 😂.
Haha, glad I could help Bert! That gold washer is an hour wheel washer, it keeps the hour wheel under a slight bit of tension to keep it in place and make sure it doesn’t disengage 👍🏻 JSG
Just checked Price 184.00 Still decent value tho. I have 4 of tgese movements and am impressed. Not only stable rate and beat error...but minimal positional variance too! Wish it was 5mm smaller tho
@@jsgwatches Ive bought a table and some basic tools, including a good light. There’s a guy nearby who does basic courses so I’m going to do that too. I live in Poland and my Polish is rubbish, so should be fun
the fabricator from Tianjin, China is the first factory in China who made independently the very first version of watch of China in 1950s. It represents the Chinese best level of watch manufacturers
What a great video, this channel is bound to do well! You mentioned that some of the materials were inferior to the ETA. Could you expand a little on which materials or components would be more likely to fail compared with the ETA?
Appreciate the support David! From what I see, I imagine some of the minute/hour/intermediate wheels would struggle to survive constant use, as they appear to be extremely soft. A scenario where someone over winds the watch, or lets the mainspring slip during powering down on a service, could destroy the teeth on any of these wheels. This however is just my opinion, I could be wrong and these things could be bullet proof! That could make for an interesting video
@@jsgwatches I have one of these watches and the durability issue is also my main concern regarding these movements. It performs very precise but it had a winding problem when it has arrived where some of the wheels slip when tension on mainspring gets higher during winding. I had to replace that problematic wheel with an original UT one. I don't know which was it since watchmaker did the job using spare parts from an old pocket watch.
Hi great videos keep it up 👍 I watch three other watch channels and you are doing really well. I have my first watch and an amount of tools but we have just moved and are doing lots of work to the house Hopefully in the new year I will do my first repair 🇬🇧
Love your videos, your voiceover is what i love! You’re a natural! It’s relaxing to listen to you and learn more about watches and horology. And i just saw you’re in SG?! I’m from Sweden but i moved to Philippines permanently! And me and my wife just visited SG last month! I actually made a few videos about! My wife and little sis never been outside the Philippine it was their first time! Thanks for these video! Can’t even imagine the work behind one! Impressive! Take care and much love from Christian Nelson Of Pilipinas 🤗❤️
K&d winders are useful but need some care because the spring ends can snap due to the way they are build however another way is to measure the barrel and buy the bergeon to size. Bergeon nr 5 6 7 are most used in seiko's and therefore more obtainable.
I built one. It's had two movements. Both had winding mechanism failures. The other issue was the case. I have a nickel allergy. This was the worst stainless case I've had for aggravating the allergy, despite an exhibition back.
Brilliant video. I just got one of these cases to make a marriage watch using a 101 year old Hamilton 920 movement and wanted to see if it truly was just press fit between the case back and the shelf at the front. I’m debating trying to make shims or a new spacer ring to better hold it in place so it doesn’t rattle. Maybe a second O-ring for the case back to press on. Anyway, thank you for the video, it answered a lot of questions.
New sub & have only watched a couple of your vids. Very enjoyable & even fascinating to me. Don’t think I have the patience, eyesight, or dexterity to do what you do but it would be an interesting video to see all your tools described with sources & prices for them.
Hi! Another awesome watch! I noticed you oiled the pallet fork jewel. Under normal circumstances that jewel does not need oil. I’ve had a couple of these clones too and amplitude has been 270-300. I have a feeling the oil in the pallet fork jewels might be sucking some energy and giving you the low amplitude.
This could well be a contributing factor! I also did not add any oil to the pallet fork stones which may also decrease the amplitude a bit. Thanks for the info and I’ll keep this in mind for the next one 🙏 forever learning on this horology journey!
@@jsgwatches Yes (and I'm just starting out on this journey myself) by my understanding you don't lubricate the pallet fork pivot jewels. It seems counter intuitive to me, but I also see the reason not to do it. Oiling the pallet stones is necessary, but the recommended oil appears to be Moebius 9415 (also just called "941" apparently). I think the reason is that it is a fine oil that tends to stay where you put it. Failing that I've seen 9010 used "with care" whatever that means. I think it's probably OK on these slower movements (18000 or 21600 bph) but maybe not so much on something that's flying (eg 36000 bph) Then there's the whole thing about using epilame/fixodrop on the escapement components (to keep the oil where you put it), but we're not really working on anything that's going to benefit from that so much (and it's really expensive even in comparison to Moebius 9010). I shall probably investigate DIY solutions to the epilame - apparently it's basically steric acid in a solvent of some kind (1:100 w/v), or the fumes from heating steric acid is a better option that is superior even to fixodrop. So much to learn... but it is a lot of fun.
Excellent vidio... Seagull are great reliable robust workhorse movements I have several watches with this movement no issues at all fairly accurate..... Forget all the rubbish about inhouse movements what a load of tosh... Just a gimmick you buy a mechanical watch with a sellita, ETA, or indeed a seagull they all do the job just fine... You get Rolex with all their ridiculous patented systems, components... Antimagnetic properties what a load of rubbish... Listen I've worn mechanical watches for well over 50years never ever had an issue with magnatism.... Service what's that? If it ain't broke it don't need fixing... Service a watch when it dosent run... I've got watches running and keeping time that have never been serviced in over 30 years.... 👍
I’d agree, I believe a lot of the high end watches command a large price tag due to brand recognition alone, I’d imagine their sales margins are eye watering!
@@jsgwatches yes the profit margins on luxury watches are truly eye watering I don't buy luxury watches these days far too overpriced and overhyped I buy micro brand watches and parnis etc but only mechanical watches.. I have over 100 mechanical watches I still have my very first watch my father brought me in 1967. A interpol deluxe divers watch hand wound... Still running!...... I brought my first Rolex in 1981 a 5513 submariner.... Cost £474.... Yes £474....and no wait list back then.... The last luxury watch I brought was about 8years ago an Eterna super kontiki divers watch love Eterna one of my favourite brands... Excellent vidio its truly amazing how you strip and re assembled the movement... Very impressive I look forward to seeing more vidios 👍
As far as “anti-magnetic” properties goes, the only thing I know that affects that is the material of the balance spring. A silicon balance spring (silicium) is anti-magnetic but who puts a mechanical watch (any watch for that matter) near a magnet anyway?
Nice video. I don’t t see it as a teaching video though. Do you have any videos that focus on servicing the mainspring without speeding up the video? I started my journey modding Seiko 6309 and 7s26 divers. I then learned to service them by watching My Retro Watches here on RUclips. Those movements are also very easy to service and parts are available. I have been able to regulate these watches to a few seconds per day in the dial up positions. I have about 15 of these watches and they all keep time as well as my Omega, Rolex, Doxa, and other higher end Seikos. This has been a rewarding hobby. But I must admit, it can be very frustrating at times. I’ve been in my hands and knees more times than I care to admit!
I read some of the comments below. And most of you guys say that it is wise to service your new watch when bought in China! I bought 3 watches at the site you all know....Ali........s, just to see what i get. And 2 of them have ( at least they claim) the Seagull ST 1901 column wheel with gooseneck. The other is a tourbillon............😆. Worth the effort for a direct service? ( They are still on the way BTW)
I own the exact same watch, it is works perfectly since the day i bought it. Drop it a couple times, pretty robust i think. Now the glass a bit blured and I can spot dirts on the movement. Currently looking for maintenance service which is quite difficult in my town.
I have two pocket watches, a Charles Hubert, and a Regent hills model. They use a movement that looks like this. I think it is a copy of a Hamilton pocket watch.
I watched how the process from beginning to end and thoroughly enjoyed the whole tuneup of your Seagull ST36. Thank you! Question: "Can you repair one of my old Waltham watch? the alarm spring is off every time I wind it." Including my Seiko 17 jewels 7006 8007, that needs a tuneup, cleaning of scratches on face, and extended wrist band (too small, and lost the extension piece).
How reliable, accurate and long lasting are Seagull 3600 please? I am trying to choose between miyota 8215 vs seagull 3600 for a custom built watch. I love hand winding watches but they need to be reliable. Your voice is wonderful. Be well
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I'm just getting the tools together to start working on watches. I'm definitely getting a larger movement to work on initially after watching this video. I've picked up a few old non working field watches, as I love that style but they would be too small to start with. Thanks for the knowledge of the bigger movements as I hadn't thought of them as a beginner's way to start.
I am enjoying your videos.These seem to be nice movements to learn on. The only thing I had great difficulty with was the balance jewel spring. When I hinged mine back, it fell out out of the setting and went pinging away into space. A small dot of rodico near the hinge point and good tweezers will help with this. Both movements I ordered also came with no lubrication anywhere. From what I have heard, they normally supply the movements that way and expect the end user to do it. This may be for the movement orders only and not the finished watch. Did your assembled watch seem to have any lubrication? Thanks!
Hey there, the reason your amplitude is so low is that your lift angle is wrong for this movement. The ETA 6497 needs a lift angle of 44 degrees to get an accurate read, not the standard 52 degrees you measured at and I suspect the ST36 is the same as it is a clone. Set it to 44 degrees and do another reading and I'll bet you'll see better amplitude numbers^^ Good show otherwise!
I read a comment from someone mentioning that when a replica factory has a waiting list, its a sign that their products are superior to the originals. In this case, Swissarex is that factory.
Hi mate, just found your channel and you are doing a great job, I was just wondering do you put the pallet fork and balance in the ipa solution to clean it? It's just that ipa can dissolve the shellac holding on the stones
Hello mate, I keep the pallet fork and balance in for the first stage (lighter fluid), but remove for the 2nd and 3rd IPA stage to protect the shellac. I’d love to get a hold of some actual cleaning solutions as my current method is crude as hell, but importing them to where I live is almost impossible being hazardous substances 😩
I'm working on replacing a Seiko 7009's automatic works. I looked at the price of reduction wheels etc then spotted for just over a tenner a running fast spares or repair jobby which has its original pristine bracelet and now in the dilemma of do I put my rarer other 7009 back on the road or do I keep the freshly arrived one which apart from running fast (not magnets and did the "whap" thingy) is immaculate inside and out and on its original square end shell branded bracelet. Its even got an undamaged movement holder ring its that clean... Think I will pick up one of them cheapo Indian 7009's and harvest the auto worx off one of those and keep the running fast one and fix it up.
I just bought a 1980’s seiko 5 with a 7009 movement for the next video, the movement seems to be in working order, but the crystal is scratched to pieces. I’m going to attempt to sand the scratches out with fine grit paper and polish with some cerium oxide, let’s see if it works 🙏
Excellent. I am going to be working on an ST36 movement (no dial or case) alongside Mark Wiles' book about mechanical watches. Could you recommend one a vid that shows how to find a case and dial that would fit this movement so that I could eventually build a useable watch? Thanks.
hm, I was thinking how hard it would be to finish this movement in a Patek Philippe style. It is really tempting to take it apart and polish everything out, make a mirror finish, edges as well, than add some nice brush lines and put back together. I mean it would not take longer than a day.. what do you say?
There really isn't a right or wrong way everyone dose different things, their way just put the parts in their correct place, and you should be fine. Personally i start with the centre wheel and it's bridge if it has one not all do bridge that is, and go from there, seagull make some real nice movements.
I'm looking at this because I'm interested in following the disassembly of the st36. At 3:25 you start removing the hairspring assembly and then at 3:55 you continue with a smaller piece. On that second piece, you don't identify that part. My question: is it important to know the identification of each and every part to disassemble the movement? I wanted to know what it's called, but it ocurred to me that it might not be necessary. Thanks.
@@jsgwatches Marshall on Wristwatch revival is good but his choice of watches to work on can be limited. I think making it look possible for the audience to do this themselves is a factor in the pull these channels have. Making the content you would like to see is another; people can tell if you have a passion for what you’re doing. I’m intrigued with the movement that omega and tissot shared in the 60’s/70’s right now. Best of luck from Liverpool.a.
Seagull are licenced Chinese/Swiss watches, the Chinese bought the factory and the design years ago, a nation that invented porcelain and a Moonlander, can surely build a watch.
This ST3600 movement unfortunately doesn’t hack, I believe it was more pieced together for looks rather than function. Seagull do however have other reasonably priced movements that do have hacking functions (ST16 and ST25). I’ll definitely be looking at getting these at some point to give them a try!
Thanks for a nice video. I have the same kind of watch that i build myself. It's a nice watch and the movement is really reliable, cost friendly and accurate, mine is one of the most accurate watces I have in my collection. I wonder why you labelled the video as restoration, it looks like a brand new movement, not much restoration needed just a service 😊
¡¡ ALSO DON'T FORGET ( SEAGULL, WAS BORN IN SWISS ' & MOVED TO CHINA IN 1955) YES !! DO YOU SEE " BULOVA WITH JAPAN MOVENT ,BACK TO THE 60' AND MICRO,COMPANY WITH SWISS MOVEMENT... !!! .
Seagull 3600k mechanical ETA 6497 clone. Movement in that pilot watch. I have number of Chinese. Swiss and Japanese timepieces. The 3600 us decent accurate movement. Better than a Rolex kinda a loaded argument. By what standards would you apply to compare the 2. Not to mention Rolex to my knowledge does not have a mechanical hand would pocket watch movement in it's line only automatic timepieces. Great watch Peace
Great video. I've got a couple of questions about how the ultrasonic cleaner works. I was of the impression that you had to put your watch parts in those mesh baskets and then into the cleaner. However, you had yours a container, in mesh baskets, and then into the cleaner itself. Is this to not damage delicate watch parts?
The containers hold the cleaning solutions I use, the bath has standard water, the container then holds the solution and enables me to reuse the solutions rather than throw them out each time 👌🏻 JSG
Great video, thanks for the easy listen! I have a question for you though. If you were to start again would you go with a 6497 movement (as in this video) or an NH35/6 movement? I'm putting together my list for my own first prototype watch and I'm torn between the two !
Thanks dude, I just took at ST3600 completely apart and got it back together!!! Super excited about this!!! I've been moding watches and got a little board with it all, this is more interesting and fun. Hoping to get to the point I can do a service, if not just on my own watches to bring some vintage pieces back to life.
Top work Jeremy! And I agree, taking a watch apart and putting it back together is definitely satisfying, especially watching the balance wheel kick back up 🤌 JSG
I got one of these straight from China for $41 shipped, and it's literally my most accurate watch. I didn't need to adjust or service it or anything, it came straight from the factory with less than +-2 seconds per day
Im a big fan of these now, would definitely try out some of their other movements, I've got my eyes on the ST19 chronograph 👀 JSG
@@jsgwatches I actually have an ST1901 chronograph movement (non swan neck version), and sadly enough, it's actually my least accurate movement, yet it's still well within a decent standard and is absolutely beautiful to look at.
The non swan neck version isn't nearly as accurate as the 3600, however it is still a very pretty movement, and they're both really nice to own 😌
GREAT VIDEO! Thanks for introducing this movement. It looks much less intimidating to service than others I have seen on RUclips.
IMHO I just find this specific Seagull movement really pretty to look at, particularly the back side. Nice vid!
I wish that I had found this video sooner.
Very good!
You're videos are wonderful...great production and presentation. When I first noticed the video description and thumbnail, the movement looked the same as the one in my 2007 Panerai Black Seal PAM183 "clone" that a friend sold me for $125 new.
I've worn that watch twice a week since 2007 and it's been pretty much perfect. I alternate it with my Omega Speedmaster Professional, my Rolex Datejust from 1969, and a Bulova Lunar Pilot.
That Seagull movement has been so accurate. I recently had it regulated for the first time and it was +- 8 seconds...after 15 years of use. After regulation it was +- 2 seconds.
Your PAM has a Unitas movement I gather. I have a number of ST3600 timepieces some by Wing Liang Android retired line.
Greetings from the Nap Valley. I think your videos are great I'm hooked. I just sprung for a microscope and am working on a camera setup. I'm determined to master this skill. I'm 77 with a long background in mechanical trade. I still have a steady hand and good eyesight. My major issue is to remember assembly and disassembly order. I completely admire watching folks like yourself that make it look so easy. I'm now fabrication a plexiglass side and end shield on my bench hoping it will help those flying little parts. Thanks for your great videos. Jerry
Tianjin Seagull is sort of hit or miss as an ebouche maker, but when they make sure their own movements are lubricated properly on their own watches, they're very impressive. Dial and hands come from a brand called Parnis, I'd be willing the case does too, but no telling.
Parnis make good cases and dials.
Seagull make great movements.
This movement is basically Seagulls version of the Unitas 6@@@ range of movements. Same movement Pam 111 used to have inside. Seagull definitely has made their movements far better than they used to. Great video. Subscribed.
You have to set the parameter correctly. From this movement its 44 degrees. When you will set the parameter 44 you will get a higher amplitude
Thank you for your tutorial. With your guidance, I was able to disassemble and reassembled the seagull st36 with my first attempt. It was an awesome feeling seeing that balance wheel kick start.
Seagull have certainly upped their game in several movements, the dry movement problem is still a persisting issue where movements are leaving the factory unoiled on certain parts but once corrected you should get a decent 10 year service window at least. I'm seriously looking at getting one of the Seagull mechanical chronograph movements and building from that, maybe a repro TinTin as the movement is only 58 dollars and I reckon 100-150 dollars would get you the parts for a decent mech chrono based around the Venus 175 build which is basically an up to date Strela movement, indeed I have a pristine porcelain Sekonda Strela dial here and if the measurements are correct I can have a beautiful Soviet dialled mech chrono. Did enjoy your video.
I'm new here, but for a cheap watch, the finish on the outer surfaces of the movement, and that dial are really very, very nice. The blued screws make a nice statement as well.
Fun fact, you can actually buy this watch, unlike a Rolex from an AD.
Yeah. I’m a higher end pawn shoppe guy for me Rolexes. Fuck that waiting list.
I worked for rolex the reason you can't buy one from an AD is because roles do there research into who they sell to (very snobbish I know!) But if you walk into a shop to buy one they will tell you its out of stock and take all your details and tell you you will be placed onto a waiting list it isn't the case it's more a case of ifnyour face fits
My butts been wiped
@@occamsrazor3128 I've heard Oprah Winfrey mention she was shunned in a high end ladies purse shop in Paris. Oprah asked how much a particular bag was and the sales lady said, "That bag does not suit you." Actually, not sure it was Paris, but is was a European city and not US. Maybe Switzerland.
@@chetmyers7041 really doesn't surprise me tbh it's all about image if you think rollex are bad check out what AP are like they are much much worse!
What I immediately noticed about your Seagull ST36 watch, is how smooth the indented pieces are, that cradle the movements. I like that feature in watches...
Nice video. It's a great watch to work on and looks beautifull. Now you know that you pay way to much for a Panerai... Some tips: don't use a metal tweezer to pick up the dial. The dial will be damaged for sure. And when getting the mainspring out, get the dial out of the way! Or don't you love your dial? Next: NEVER use your US cleaner for the delicate movement parts. They will be damaged for sure! Try a piece of aluminium foil and you know what I mean.... Oh, and the crown wheel is wrong lubricated. The ring doesn't turn, lubricate the outer diameter of the ring. That part touches the rotating crown wheel. Have fun!
Great video : Seagull's movements are really like "training ships" for watchmaking ! Many thanks
That is an excellent video. Camera work was good with clear closeups and the diction was clear, nicely paced and at a good even volume. I've just taken delivery of one of those movements as a start for my watch repair hobby, as soon as I get all the tools etc I'll hoe into it. If I can get mine running with the same accuracy as yours then I'll be well chuffed. Thanks!👍
One thing you didn't mention is that the crown wheel screw is an anti clockwise thread.
New hobbyists could break it trying to remove it if they don't know this.
I remembered that when taking the watch apart but the next day I spent 45 minutes trying to get it back in until I remembered. This is my first watch disassembly and assembly.
Always good to scan the comments for tips like this
A simple and very accurate movement.
Well done, nice numbers out of it at the end. I've done a handful of these 6497's
This movement by far my favourite to work on so far!
I do admire work on mechanical watches.
Great video I pretty much got the same setup as my first project a while ago and now watched your video for the first time! I agree 100% this movement is great for getting the first steps done in this wonderful crafts.
I agree, perfect little movement to learn on 👌🏻 JSG
That movement fits in my 4040 Bergeon movement holder:) I have the exact same watch. I just swapped dial, hands, stem and crown. Runs nice, but without service there will always be longterm concerns. I cannot imagine this movement being nicely lubricated for the price. The problem is that underlubrication actually doesn't manifest clearly when a watch is new. Unlike overlubrication (Seiko disease!), which results in low amplitude (under 200°) and inaccuracy.
I mistakenly bought the 4039-p movement holder which only holds movements up to ~25mm 😩 ended up using a case holder for this watch 😅 rumour has it that these Seagul movements leave the factory without any lubrication or regulation, they work an absolute charm once serviced though!
@@jsgwatches that certainly makes them more tempting as a first project, if I succeed then I have a nice moment that should last a while
The first watch I started on was a vintage Seiko LM. after alot of work and reading and scouring the net for old parts I got it running like a peach. I was so happy with myself but after a while a non repairable part just failed on me for just being old and it was kaputs (second driving wheel). Four hundred quid in the bin. It could have been any other part within and id be able to fix it at that point but this was the only riveted gear on the whole bloody watch.
I’ve actually just bought 2x seiko LM’s for future videos with faulty quickset stars, hoping to get them up and running without hiccups, but will be the first time working on a seiko 🙏
I am contemplating getting one just because it looks easy to service on your own.I thought that before i even saw this video. As it's a large movement and simple.
Just bought watch from link, gonna try to take this movement apart and put it back together again, following your brilliant video. If I manage to do this, this cheap little watch will become my favourite watch in my collection 😂.
Thank you so much for this, at 2:59 in the video I find out what to do with the extra parts in the bag.
Haha, glad I could help Bert! That gold washer is an hour wheel washer, it keeps the hour wheel under a slight bit of tension to keep it in place and make sure it doesn’t disengage 👍🏻 JSG
So glad to find you, excellent work mate!
Thanks mate, appreciate it 🙏 next video will be a beaten up Seiko Lord Matic with some hidden gremlins
Just got mine. Will be doing this at the weekend. Great to have something to follow. Thanks for your efforts.
I made up one of these. Excellent Seagull movement with a big power reserve.
such a wonderful video, was very relaxing to watch it on a Saturday afternoon. Thanks.
Just checked
Price 184.00
Still decent value tho.
I have 4 of tgese movements and am impressed. Not only stable rate and beat error...but minimal positional variance too!
Wish it was 5mm smaller tho
First time here. Your voice and accent are very pleasant in my ears. Perfect tempo in your commenting & good audio.
Subbed. Thank you.
Buying one now and it will be my first one that I will take apart. Great vid 👍
Get ready to fall in love with watchmaking, clear you kitchen counter, you’ll need the space for your tools! JSG
@@jsgwatches Ive bought a table and some basic tools, including a good light. There’s a guy nearby who does basic courses so I’m going to do that too. I live in Poland and my Polish is rubbish, so should be fun
I bought a similar version but mine had the seconds at the 6! The movement kept excellent time and even has a sapphire crystal.
That is a 6498-style movement. It has a destinctive weighted balance.
Fantastic video. I'm going to buy one of those watches and have a go!
Excellent video.
I bought the same movement and some chap tools, and I am trying to learn.
Your video was indeed very helpful.
the fabricator from Tianjin, China is the first factory in China who made independently the very first version of watch of China in 1950s. It represents the Chinese best level of watch manufacturers
I have one of these on the way to begin my own trip down the rabbit hole...
Good luck boss! You’ve just opened the start of something lifelong
What a great video, this channel is bound to do well! You mentioned that some of the materials were inferior to the ETA. Could you expand a little on which materials or components would be more likely to fail compared with the ETA?
Appreciate the support David! From what I see, I imagine some of the minute/hour/intermediate wheels would struggle to survive constant use, as they appear to be extremely soft. A scenario where someone over winds the watch, or lets the mainspring slip during powering down on a service, could destroy the teeth on any of these wheels. This however is just my opinion, I could be wrong and these things could be bullet proof! That could make for an interesting video
@@jsgwatches I have one of these watches and the durability issue is also my main concern regarding these movements. It performs very precise but it had a winding problem when it has arrived where some of the wheels slip when tension on mainspring gets higher during winding. I had to replace that problematic wheel with an original UT one. I don't know which was it since watchmaker did the job using spare parts from an old pocket watch.
Very well done. Thank you for sharing.
Hi great videos keep it up 👍
I watch three other watch channels and you are doing really well.
I have my first watch and an amount of tools but we have just moved and are doing lots of work to the house
Hopefully in the new year I will do my first repair 🇬🇧
Best of luck for your first repair! Once you start, you will have opened the floodgates for many more to come 💪🏻
Love your videos, your voiceover is what i love! You’re a natural! It’s relaxing to listen to you and learn more about watches and horology. And i just saw you’re in SG?! I’m from Sweden but i moved to Philippines permanently! And me and my wife just visited SG last month! I actually made a few videos about! My wife and little sis never been outside the Philippine it was their first time! Thanks for these video! Can’t even imagine the work behind one! Impressive! Take care and much love from Christian Nelson Of Pilipinas 🤗❤️
K&d winders are useful but need some care because the spring ends can snap due to the way they are build however another way is to measure the barrel and buy the bergeon to size. Bergeon nr 5 6 7 are most used in seiko's and therefore more obtainable.
Good job and great video, I love this watch, the cost-benefit ratio is amazing.
I built one. It's had two movements. Both had winding mechanism failures.
The other issue was the case. I have a nickel allergy. This was the worst stainless case I've had for aggravating the allergy, despite an exhibition back.
Brilliant video. I just got one of these cases to make a marriage watch using a 101 year old Hamilton 920 movement and wanted to see if it truly was just press fit between the case back and the shelf at the front. I’m debating trying to make shims or a new spacer ring to better hold it in place so it doesn’t rattle. Maybe a second O-ring for the case back to press on. Anyway, thank you for the video, it answered a lot of questions.
Perfect job, thanks m8..
Looking forward to see Seiko..
New sub & have only watched a couple of your vids. Very enjoyable & even fascinating to me. Don’t think I have the patience, eyesight, or dexterity to do what you do but it would be an interesting video to see all your tools described with sources & prices for them.
Great video! Im inspired mate. Very clear and we'll presented. Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks boss 🙏, i’ve followed your page to keep up to date with your new stuff 👍🏻
Hi! Another awesome watch! I noticed you oiled the pallet fork jewel. Under normal circumstances that jewel does not need oil. I’ve had a couple of these clones too and amplitude has been 270-300. I have a feeling the oil in the pallet fork jewels might be sucking some energy and giving you the low amplitude.
This could well be a contributing factor! I also did not add any oil to the pallet fork stones which may also decrease the amplitude a bit. Thanks for the info and I’ll keep this in mind for the next one 🙏 forever learning on this horology journey!
@@jsgwatches Yes (and I'm just starting out on this journey myself) by my understanding you don't lubricate the pallet fork pivot jewels. It seems counter intuitive to me, but I also see the reason not to do it. Oiling the pallet stones is necessary, but the recommended oil appears to be Moebius 9415 (also just called "941" apparently). I think the reason is that it is a fine oil that tends to stay where you put it. Failing that I've seen 9010 used "with care" whatever that means. I think it's probably OK on these slower movements (18000 or 21600 bph) but maybe not so much on something that's flying (eg 36000 bph)
Then there's the whole thing about using epilame/fixodrop on the escapement components (to keep the oil where you put it), but we're not really working on anything that's going to benefit from that so much (and it's really expensive even in comparison to Moebius 9010). I shall probably investigate DIY solutions to the epilame - apparently it's basically steric acid in a solvent of some kind (1:100 w/v), or the fumes from heating steric acid is a better option that is superior even to fixodrop.
So much to learn... but it is a lot of fun.
Ive heard that Rolex tried to shut down Swissarex, but its a testament to their quality that theyre still going strong.
Excellent vidio... Seagull are great reliable robust workhorse movements I have several watches with this movement no issues at all fairly accurate..... Forget all the rubbish about inhouse movements what a load of tosh... Just a gimmick you buy a mechanical watch with a sellita, ETA, or indeed a seagull they all do the job just fine... You get Rolex with all their ridiculous patented systems, components... Antimagnetic properties what a load of rubbish... Listen I've worn mechanical watches for well over 50years never ever had an issue with magnatism.... Service what's that? If it ain't broke it don't need fixing... Service a watch when it dosent run... I've got watches running and keeping time that have never been serviced in over 30 years.... 👍
I’d agree, I believe a lot of the high end watches command a large price tag due to brand recognition alone, I’d imagine their sales margins are eye watering!
@@jsgwatches yes the profit margins on luxury watches are truly eye watering I don't buy luxury watches these days far too overpriced and overhyped I buy micro brand watches and parnis etc but only mechanical watches.. I have over 100 mechanical watches I still have my very first watch my father brought me in 1967. A interpol deluxe divers watch hand wound... Still running!...... I brought my first Rolex in 1981 a 5513 submariner.... Cost £474.... Yes £474....and no wait list back then.... The last luxury watch I brought was about 8years ago an Eterna super kontiki divers watch love Eterna one of my favourite brands... Excellent vidio its truly amazing how you strip and re assembled the movement... Very impressive I look forward to seeing more vidios 👍
As far as “anti-magnetic” properties goes, the only thing I know that affects that is the material of the balance spring. A silicon balance spring (silicium) is anti-magnetic but who puts a mechanical watch (any watch for that matter) near a magnet anyway?
Nice video. I don’t t see it as a teaching video though. Do you have any videos that focus on servicing the mainspring without speeding up the video? I started my journey modding Seiko 6309 and 7s26 divers. I then learned to service them by watching My Retro Watches here on RUclips. Those movements are also very easy to service and parts are available. I have been able to regulate these watches to a few seconds per day in the dial up positions. I have about 15 of these watches and they all keep time as well as my Omega, Rolex, Doxa, and other higher end Seikos. This has been a rewarding hobby. But I must admit, it can be very frustrating at times. I’ve been in my hands and knees more times than I care to admit!
I read some of the comments below. And most of you guys say that it is wise to service your new watch when bought in China!
I bought 3 watches at the site you all know....Ali........s, just to see what i get. And 2 of them have ( at least they claim) the Seagull ST 1901 column wheel with gooseneck. The other is a tourbillon............😆. Worth the effort for a direct service? ( They are still on the way BTW)
I own the exact same watch, it is works perfectly since the day i bought it.
Drop it a couple times, pretty robust i think.
Now the glass a bit blured and I can spot dirts on the movement. Currently looking for maintenance service which is quite difficult in my town.
I have two pocket watches, a Charles Hubert, and a Regent hills model. They use a movement that looks like this. I think it is a copy of a Hamilton pocket watch.
Cool video bro, really fascinating 👍
Excelente vídeo !!! Parabéns pelo tema escolhido, tem pouca coisa disponível a respeito !!!
Se puder faça mais !!!
Got the exact same movement on a Parnis branded watch. Seem to b quite precise
It will be interesting to see the accuracy over a long period of time, to see whether it maintains or starts to decrease 👍🏻
A SEA GULL based in an UNITAS 'Lépine'. The model with small seconds at 6, offers improved isochronism and accuracy, imo.
I have a few surgess seagull watches. I love one of them so much. It does worry me that in a few years will someone want to service it.
Great video, mate. I will have one of these watches!
Fantastic video, thanks for the content. 👍
I watched how the process from beginning to end and thoroughly enjoyed the whole tuneup of your Seagull ST36. Thank you! Question: "Can you repair one of my old Waltham watch? the alarm spring is off every time I wind it." Including my Seiko 17 jewels 7006 8007, that needs a tuneup, cleaning of scratches on face, and extended wrist band (too small, and lost the extension piece).
How reliable, accurate and long lasting are Seagull 3600 please? I am trying to choose between miyota 8215 vs seagull 3600 for a custom built watch. I love hand winding watches but they need to be reliable. Your voice is wonderful. Be well
Well done.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I'm just getting the tools together to start working on watches. I'm definitely getting a larger movement to work on initially after watching this video. I've picked up a few old non working field watches, as I love that style but they would be too small to start with. Thanks for the knowledge of the bigger movements as I hadn't thought of them as a beginner's way to start.
Utterly brilliant 😎
Thank you boss 🙏 JSG
I am enjoying your videos.These seem to be nice movements to learn on. The only thing I had great difficulty with was the balance jewel spring. When I hinged mine back, it fell out out of the setting and went pinging away into space. A small dot of rodico near the hinge point and good tweezers will help with this. Both movements I ordered also came with no lubrication anywhere. From what I have heard, they normally supply the movements that way and expect the end user to do it. This may be for the movement orders only and not the finished watch. Did your assembled watch seem to have any lubrication? Thanks!
Hey there, the reason your amplitude is so low is that your lift angle is wrong for this movement. The ETA 6497 needs a lift angle of 44 degrees to get an accurate read, not the standard 52 degrees you measured at and I suspect the ST36 is the same as it is a clone. Set it to 44 degrees and do another reading and I'll bet you'll see better amplitude numbers^^ Good show otherwise!
I read a comment from someone mentioning that when a replica factory has a waiting list, its a sign that their products are superior to the originals. In this case, Swissarex is that factory.
Really interesting thanks 👍🏻
Hi mate, just found your channel and you are doing a great job, I was just wondering do you put the pallet fork and balance in the ipa solution to clean it? It's just that ipa can dissolve the shellac holding on the stones
Hello mate, I keep the pallet fork and balance in for the first stage (lighter fluid), but remove for the 2nd and 3rd IPA stage to protect the shellac. I’d love to get a hold of some actual cleaning solutions as my current method is crude as hell, but importing them to where I live is almost impossible being hazardous substances 😩
I'm working on replacing a Seiko 7009's automatic works. I looked at the price of reduction wheels etc then spotted for just over a tenner a running fast spares or repair jobby which has its original pristine bracelet and now in the dilemma of do I put my rarer other 7009 back on the road or do I keep the freshly arrived one which apart from running fast (not magnets and did the "whap" thingy) is immaculate inside and out and on its original square end shell branded bracelet. Its even got an undamaged movement holder ring its that clean... Think I will pick up one of them cheapo Indian 7009's and harvest the auto worx off one of those and keep the running fast one and fix it up.
I just bought a 1980’s seiko 5 with a 7009 movement for the next video, the movement seems to be in working order, but the crystal is scratched to pieces. I’m going to attempt to sand the scratches out with fine grit paper and polish with some cerium oxide, let’s see if it works 🙏
Excellent. I am going to be working on an ST36 movement (no dial or case) alongside Mark Wiles' book about mechanical watches. Could you recommend one a vid that shows how to find a case and dial that would fit this movement so that I could eventually build a useable watch? Thanks.
hm, I was thinking how hard it would be to finish this movement in a Patek Philippe style. It is really tempting to take it apart and polish everything out, make a mirror finish, edges as well, than add some nice brush lines and put back together. I mean it would not take longer than a day.. what do you say?
Good work. Thanks.
thank you. great show my man.
There really isn't a right or wrong way everyone dose different things, their way just put the parts in their correct place, and you should be fine.
Personally i start with the centre wheel and it's bridge if it has one not all do bridge that is, and go from there, seagull make some real nice movements.
I’m looking to get a few more movements from Seagul, they are definitely good movements to practice on!
I'm looking at this because I'm interested in following the disassembly of the st36. At 3:25 you start removing the hairspring assembly and then at 3:55 you continue with a smaller piece. On that second piece, you don't identify that part. My question: is it important to know the identification of each and every part to disassemble the movement? I wanted to know what it's called, but it ocurred to me that it might not be necessary. Thanks.
I’m sure that this channel has legs, buddy. I bet it’s exciting being on the cusp of something big.😀
Appreciate it boss! I’m just surprised there are so many people that enjoy watch tear down videos as much as I do!
@@jsgwatches Marshall on Wristwatch revival is good but his choice of watches to work on can be limited. I think making it look possible for the audience to do this themselves is a factor in the pull these channels have. Making the content you would like to see is another; people can tell if you have a passion for what you’re doing. I’m intrigued with the movement that omega and tissot shared in the 60’s/70’s right now. Best of luck from Liverpool.a.
Seagull are licenced Chinese/Swiss watches, the Chinese bought the factory and the design years ago, a nation that invented porcelain and a Moonlander, can surely build a watch.
There is one left-handed thread in the assembly that you have not pointed out at 19.04
Thanks, very informative. What a lovely movement. As a pilots watch it would need a hack for synchronisation. Does the sea-gull have one?
ST36 does not hack, the movement originally is designed to pocket watch.
This ST3600 movement unfortunately doesn’t hack, I believe it was more pieced together for looks rather than function. Seagull do however have other reasonably priced movements that do have hacking functions (ST16 and ST25). I’ll definitely be looking at getting these at some point to give them a try!
@@objective7042 The original Unitas/ETA movement, on which this copy is based, doesn't hack either.
Thanks for a nice video. I have the same kind of watch that i build myself. It's a nice watch and the movement is really reliable, cost friendly and accurate, mine is one of the most accurate watces I have in my collection. I wonder why you labelled the video as restoration, it looks like a brand new movement, not much restoration needed just a service 😊
Very nice. Why did not you add some finishing on the movement parts once it is disassembled? Good job.
Fine video
Try to use finger cots
I really enjoy your videos.
I hope you are still uploading?
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Seagull 3600k mechanical ETA 6497 clone.
Movement in that pilot watch. I have number of Chinese. Swiss and Japanese timepieces. The 3600 us decent accurate movement. Better than a Rolex kinda a loaded argument. By what standards would you apply to compare the 2. Not to mention Rolex to my knowledge does not have a mechanical hand would pocket watch movement in it's line only automatic timepieces.
Great watch
Peace
Is it really disposable? It's ubiquitous and notorious for being easy to work on
Great video. I've got a couple of questions about how the ultrasonic cleaner works. I was of the impression that you had to put your watch parts in those mesh baskets and then into the cleaner. However, you had yours a container, in mesh baskets, and then into the cleaner itself. Is this to not damage delicate watch parts?
The containers hold the cleaning solutions I use, the bath has standard water, the container then holds the solution and enables me to reuse the solutions rather than throw them out each time 👌🏻 JSG
Of course it's better than a Rolex Mr. CLICK bait.
their turbine version is nice
Good video and good watchmaking!!! Immediately subscribed to your channel ;-)
Thanks Paul! Appreciate it 🙏 planning to have another video up this Friday 👍🏻
Great video, thanks for the easy listen! I have a question for you though. If you were to start again would you go with a 6497 movement (as in this video) or an NH35/6 movement? I'm putting together my list for my own first prototype watch and I'm torn between the two !
This is a looking movement.
If you are learning, make sure you have plenty of jewelers putty.