BYD ATTO 3 EV DRIVE FROM SYDNEY TO MELBOURNE IN ONE DAY | January 2023
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- Update: Efficiency is 198Wh/km to include final hotel AC charging in Melbourne
Driving BYD Atto 3 electric car from Sydney to Melbourne in one day demonstrating the use of Australia's DC EV fast charging network | January 2023 by Tesla Tom | Ludicrous Feed
BYD ATTO 3 EV DRIVE FROM SYDNEY TO MELBOURNE IN ONE DAY | January 2023
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00:00 Introduction
00:18 Charging cables & contingencies
00:50 Charging RFID cards & NRMA membership
01:10 Understanding range
01:33 Resetting Trip Computer
01:50 Planning charging stops
02:02 Sutton Forest Evie Chargers
06:59 Goulburn Chargefox Chargers
10:28 Yass NRMA Chargers
13:44 Jugiong NRMA Chargers
14:50 Tarcutta Evie Chargers
17:32 Barnawartha North Chargefox Chargers
21:13 Euroa Chargefox Chargers
23:06 BYD Dolphin spotted!
25:14 Melbourne City Apartment Hotel
26:14 AC Chargers for overnight charging
27:52 Trip summary
32:03 Trip statistics
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Update: 32:47 Efficiency is 198Wh/km to include final hotel AC charging in Melbourne
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Great video, also just a heads up the average fuel efficiency for light passenger vehicles is 11.1 litres per 100km in Australia.
So it would have cost almost exactly $200 for the average person to drive in their non EV.
Also one question, are you sure that those heavy charge cables are liquid cooled? It was my understanding that the non liquid cooled cables were thicker, heavier and less flexible.
@@SirDragonClaw I just did a quick search. Tritium 350kW charger cables are liquid cooled
@@SirDragonClaw You feel the vibrations of the pump for liquid cooling on the cable when charging.
GV60 193kW/km Nowra to Melbourne. 198kW/km Melbourne to Nowra. I blame the difference probably on the hotter weather and being a little more comfortable with the whole long distance EV driving thing (i.e. not using ECO mode) on the way home.
Hey Ludicrous, although the range shown is 480km, that is the Chinese Standard. In Australia they only claim 420km (it can be annoying). Hopefully BYD can change this with an OTA update at some point.
In 12 weeks of owing our Atto 3, off the freeway, we're consistently getting 400-430km. On the Freeway at speed limit, 320-350km. However, if I drop my speed to 100kmh, 350-380km... and (when light traffic) at 90kmh, 380-400km. The car is excellent and I highly recommend it (especially at a $10,000-$25,000 discount to comparable EV's).
Yes, 420 WLTP is certainly more accurate and your experience where the range is better in urban settings mirrors my own
Indian standard was company claim was 480km . But government agencies give range certificate to byd atto 3 was ( 521 km range 😅.)
So is it faster to drive at 90km/h and spend less time charging/stopping or 110km/h and charge longer?
Helloo, Im from India, got my atto3 delivered on Jan 24th, really loving the car, great driving experience, got around 410 km for the 1st full charge, though tested only until 10% (372 km from 100%-10%) though, very happy to join the byd club of owners...:)
Congrats on your new car! That’s a good range test 👍
What's the charging infrastructure like in India?
@@suad01 I would say it is still in the growing phase, last couple of years have witnessed significant new ev stations coming up, next 2 years will be crucial too, however most of the charging stations offer speeds in the range of 30 kw, 60kw and few 150 kw stations
Banning TikTok because its Chinese but allowing BYD? Wah Modiji Wah
@@thrishulreddy6433 where are you from ....
In Maharashtra there's no EV stations, it really is stagnant...
Also traffic is worst , people have double mind if even to buy a Car because the population is insanely growing
A heartfelt thanks!! Informative, balanced and just what I need to know as I enter the EV fold (with my BYD ATTO 3).
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Tom. I thought this review was fantastic. Loved your summary in the end. Really unbiased and if someone asks me what I thought about the state of EVs in Australia I feel like forwarding this video in your summary time point!
Feel free to pass onto others!
Thank you so much for these real world videos. Thank you for the tips to charge often as you can between major cities so you have more options to keep on going in case of broken Trituim chargers or too many evs waiting. And taking more breaks to rest is safer too. I haven't done too many long range trips in my Model 3 but have learnt a lot from your videos. Thanks again Tom and family.
Pleasure and I hope you’re able to go on an EV road trip soon 🙏😃
I don't drive an EV but I subscribe anyway. Thumbs up for creating good quality content on the land of Australia. I am pretty sure most EV drivers will find your video extremely helpful.
Thanks ever so much!
Family and dog drove from Sydney to Sunshine Coast the day after boxing day in our M3 SR+, left at 5:30am to beat the holiday traffic. 4 charging stops at Superchargers. 1 stall was broken at a busy charger, but only had to wait 2 minutes. One time the Tesla navigator rerouted midjourney for a less busy charger. 1.5 hours charge time, 10.5 hours driving. Car was always ready to leave before we were 😉.
Tesla Supercharger network = super reliable
How much all up for that trip?
"Car was always ready to leave before we were" HAH, keep telling yourself that.
What happens when technology makes your battery type redundant and they stop making charging stations for yours. Your car resale becomes zilch.
Enjoy your life as a guinea-pig while you can while most of us just laugh at your virtue signalling.
@@gone547 idiotic comment
Thanks for this run down mate, good to see this as it is one of the longer trips we would be making in our car as well, starting in Melbourne.
I liked the quick views of the area around each of the chargers, some good spots for running the dogs on the trips as well.
Pleasure and enjoy!
Great video! I have been trying to spot an Atto 3 in Melbourne but ended up seeing my first 2 in Noumea, New Caledonia a few weeks ago. Then I saw 1 as soon as I arrived at Melbourne airport. I also quickly saw a BYD Dolphin from a bus in Noumea, nice looking car.
The Dolphin will sell well in Aus!
Amazing video and super helpful, hopefully able to take an atto 3 for test drive soon
Glad you enjoyed it 🙏
Thanks very much for posting this video. I found it very helpful and reassuring!
I’m glad it helped!
A great, resourceful video that is really helpful for someone sitting on the fence for an EV! Thanks for sharing.
Pleasure! Glad you found it helpful
Cheers for the thorough video! Received my Atto 3 yesterday (which is my first experience with an electric car), and even though I'm in NZ, it's great to see some real world examples of charging use/range/PlugShare app etc! ✌
Congrats on the new car!
Tim, get my Atto3 on Tue, I am on Taupo. What percentage are you charging the battery to?
Very informative. Thanks mate!
Pleasure
always informative cheers
Thanks 👍
Very good video.
I'm starting to see a hell of a lot of these BYDs in Perth.
🚘😃
Very interesting video! I really like to see how charging infrastructure has developed in other countries. A few months ago I took my 2021 Kia Soul EV with the 64kWh battery pack on a 1131km road trip in Western Canada through the Rocky Mountains. It took about the same time as yours and I had 5 charging stops along the way (mostly on the slower 50kW charging infrastructure). We averaged 18.3kWh/100 km and the total cost was about $50 CAD. It was awesome to see the charging reality in Australia. Well done!
Thanks for sharing your experience in Canada!
There is a Tesla charging reality (tops) and a non-Tesla charging reality (catastrophic) in Australia. Very sad but true.
@@moestrei I have to say that the situation in Canada isn’t ideal either. We’re very much behind in terms of infrastructure compared to Northern Europe or even the US, unless you drive a Tesla and then you’re able to charge quickly and reliably.
Very good well presented and clear.👍👍
Thanks!
Thank you! My family and I just completed our first Bega-Sydney roadtrip in our SR MY Tesla and it was great! [2adults, 2kids under 7yrs, 1 dog] We went North along the coast road and were automatically navigated along “rat runs” several times to avoid seriously bad bottlenecks with the holiday traffic at a standstill for many kms! Several other Tesla’s were spotted on our back-road rat runs, similarly relieved :) At the Berry “Silo’s” Supercharger, I was amazed that it was almost full at one point! I’ve been through this point many times over the years (with my previous SR M3) and I was usually solo! So great to see so many EVs on the road now. We charged to full there because we were staying with my mum, no home charging. Had first experience with “Evie” at our local Westfields in Marrickville, easy! We came home, southward, via Hume HWY, easy cruising & charging at Goulburn & Narooma. Our local NRMA charger in Bega is always busy but a great option if we have many cloudy days (we charge from solar at home). QUESTION: why do you have the key cards for Evie and Chargefox? We just checked-in & paid using the app… [we are going on a roadtrip again, soon: Bega - Bendigo - Melb - home]. Thank you for your comprehensive and helpful reviews and insights :)
PS. We saws our first Atto 3 in Bega before we left, they looks Great! :)
Thanks for sharing your experience, sounds like it was a great trip!
I have the keycards handy because:
1) the handshake with the units is generally easier in theory: tap and start; as opposed to whip out phone, unlock phone, open app, sign in (maybe), find charger location, confirm correct plug, start charging
2) there are potentially some locations without cell signal / wifi which will preclude one from accessing charging apps hence why I carry the cards as a backup
@@LudicrousFeed Great advice, again, Thank you
Awesome video and glad you guys had a good trip and got down there safely!
You definitely hit the nail on the head. Range anxiety is no longer a thing but due to ongoing charger reliability that’s definitely the most anxious part of a trip. Third parties need to really get up to the reliability of Tesla Superchargers with apps that show up to date and reliable health information of the status. When that happens coupled with more charging stations we can also remove that anxiety from the list.
Great video and a lovely little car!
Thanks mate! Totally agree - charger anxiety is real and needs to be addressed before mass EV adoption is possible 👍😃
Thanks Tom,
I just drove Townsville to Ballina and return in my Atto3 purely using the QLD Electric highway charging units, they are predominantly the older Tritium 50 kWh DC units I think, set up with 1 DC fast charger and a 20 Kw AC charger with two ports per stop.
North of Sunshine Coast there’s no real Tesla infrastructure so lots of competition for fast chargers as each unit only has one CCS port.
I was looking at your trip with great envy so much more charging access 😁 I was travelling at peak holiday traffic traffic times on the Bruce highway and had to wait for charging access a couple of times due to demand worst delay 40 mins.
Luckily virtually all the chargers were working so I worked on 3 hourly stops giving me a safety of 100 km in the tank if needed to bail to next charge site. Lots of chats with other EV drivers learnt a lot great trip. 😁👍
Thanks for sharing your experience! Let's hope we all get more chargers across the country as we'll need them - more EVs will be delivered as time goes on
Really informative video. Thank.
Pleasure 🙏
Great video, thanks for the real world perspective on traveling Syd-melb..
Pleasure
Thanks Tom great real life video. I rang and reported the Chargefox charger where the card reader wasn't working several weeks ago. The RFID wasn't working on all machines there. Cool seeing the Dolphin being tested. Just a note that the Ultra Rapid chargers are $0.60/kwh whereas the slower rapid chargers are $0.40/kwh so people can save money using the rapid chargers. I felt charging up at 50% SOC was probably a bit too cautious for a Sydney/Melbourne trip.
Interesting that the RFID didn’t work at the other Barnawartha chargers also
@@LudicrousFeed I used the exact same charger there as you way back on the 3rd October and the RFIFD wasn’t working then. I was in a SIXT hire car (MG ZS EV) which comes with a Chargefox card (free too). I had to sign up with the app and actually pay.
@@bastabasta1435 That’s frustrating!
Sydney to Melbourne has always been a good trip for EVs (Model 3). I've stopped at Gundagai and Euroa on most trips as main charging points, pushing the limits but making it!
Easier in a Tesla using the SC network that's for sure!
@@LudicrousFeed Yes, the infrastructure needs improving (seems to be getting there) for other EVs
Thank you for such an honest video.
Pleasure!
Recently got my Model 3 and haven't really used public charging too much yet (only intially when I got it lol)
This was a really useful video to give me an idea on future road trips, thanks!
Plus with a Tesla you have access to the (more) reliable Supercharger network
Well done Tom. I mirrored your trip in a Model Y on Sat 27th Dec, and yes, I saw the huge queue at the Yass petrol station. I had to wait at the Goulburn supercharger for about 15 mins to get a charge, but most drivers were great...getting their 70% - 80% then leaving. 20 minutes does it, and for the most part I found myself rushing to finish the toilet/coffee/snack before I needed to move the car. I never travel more than two hours on a long trip whether I'm driving a Tesla, a Toyota, or a Tonka Truck.
Just one thing. You didn't seem to allow for the last fill at the hotel AC in your calculations. Assuming about 41kWh to charge from 31% back to the 100% you left with, that brings the total usage to about 178kWh (19.8 kWh/100km). The Model Y returned about 17.5 overall for a practically identical journey (110 km/h when I could), which would seem about right given Tesla's excellent efficiency. Still thinking about an Atto 3 though...my passengers complained bitterly about the poor ride of the Tesla.
Good point about the hotel charging at the end - I'll amend my spreadsheet
We recently drove from Albury NSW non stop to Melbourne in our M3 long range at highway speed and arrived with 37% left in the battery. No stress and no stopping.
Nice
Is that starting at 100%? And with 18" or 19" wheels?
Can I ask what an M3 is please … brand ?
@@brent_in_aussie Model 3 Tesla. MY is Model Y
@@justnit ha ha thanks
I did a google search n all for an all new electric MY !! Bahahah
Great info, thanks for sharing. We haven't done any long trips yet, so it's good to see what we'll be up against when we do.
Hopefully this video gives viewers what to expect in 2023
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing.
Pleasure 🙏
You did exactly what I was wondering on our way back from Adelaide to Brisbane over the past weeks. Whilst waiting at Superchargers (Horsham, Wodonga and Newcastle) was slightly annoying (they were only 5 minute waits), I noticed that my alternatives at Horsham and Gundagai were broken. So it is comforting to know that Tesla network always works. Also the mucking around with apps and replugging the car in is a nightmare. You are right that Tritium has a monopoly on this and always point to the proprietors like Evie and Chargefox when there is a problem. Then again Evie and Chargefox don’t help themselves with poor communication. This is only reason I choose my Tesla M3P over the BMW i4 M50. Even though, I love my Model S, I really liked the i4 as our new daily. Tesla are 10 years ahead from an infrastructure perspective. The plug and play charging gives them that massive edge.
No doubt the Tesla Supercharger network is ahead in 2023 because of the reasons you mentioned
Hi AK, when was the Gundagai charger out of action please?
Driving Perth-Sydney return from the 15th Jan and Gundagai is one of my planned stops. Thanks
(In my Atto 3)
@@sarahwhite6146 they should be online only now, I just checked Chargefox and PlugShare. Always check before you set off on the day. This video really illustrates this. Also try plugging in despite the machine saying it’s offline. Sometimes it’ll kick in. You’re very brave crossing the Nullarbor in an EV. All the best!
@@AKA001 I’m surprised they have any EV infrastructure to cross the Nullarbor. Unless things have changed a lot in the last 6 months I don’t think even Tesla has charging stations in place to get from Adelaide to Norseman.
Great video thanks. We drove Sydney to Goldcoast and return in Tesla model Y. With 2 kids in the back, found super chargers so quick and convenient. Don’t see myself getting any other EV just for this reason. We went at a busy time and only had to wait few minutes once
Agree with you, Tesla supercharger network is rock solid
Thanks for a very informative video! We drive down yearly to Melb from Syd just after Christmas so this was a great comparison for us. This year we left at 7am on the 26th with a full tank, first rest at 347km (3hrs 32 min) out. Only other stop was in Gundagai (514km & 5hrs 27min) for a refuel of 44L diesel @ $2.26 p/l. We arrived in st Kilda at 4:20pm for a total time 9hr 20min and trip computer showed fuel consumption of 5.3 L/100km. Our 5 year old Evoque is about the same size as the Atto 3 and I was keen to see how the BYD performed in this except trip as we still looking at alternatives to the Model Y. Fingers crossed that Tesla opens up their charging network to non Tesla vehicles here in OZ!
That’s pretty good time and fuel economy! Let’s hope we get more chargers installed soon along this route 🙏
I really enjoyed this video. A realistic experience of what it’s like to have an EV.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great real-world account of the current charging experience in Aust. We need a lot more chargers (soon rather than later), and uptime and reliability need to be addressed.
Agreed! I’m hoping the right people who make the necessary decisions watch this video
Cars came 8 years before the petrol station franchises. Give it time. We are in the precipice on swapping over.
Thank you Tom! It is interesting to see the charger reliability or really lack thereof. Tritium have really dropped the ball there is no way Petrol stations would put up with 50% of their pumps out of order for months. Bjorn has done a charge graph on his recent tests in Thailand. They really need to rip and replace like EA are doing in the US but put in Delta, Kempower or Alpitronics hardware. If you ever get to Tasmania EHT have recently started installing Kempower hardware. Nice to see the PM 2.5 filter working for you. Really needs Plug & Charge to simplify this process and shorten the handshake period.
I would have taken more pictures of the Dolphin, just got a wide shot pretending your are getting the Atto 3 really getting the Dolphin though. Not sure what the big deal is there is one in the Sydney Experience Centre or why in Camo. You survived the Melbourne Turn-Right from the left lane which I did once, luckily was a local in front of me so I could just follow them.
Totally agree with your summation Tom, more chargers and more diversity in charging hardware. The other thing I find when I do long trips in my Ioniq(classic) is that I find I am more relaxed as it's more about the journey and less about the destination unlike say in an ICE car. I find it more like cycle touring which I also do. You go places that many ICE road trippers totally miss as well since they are purely looking at the destination.
Agreed, we need to stop installing Tritium with public funds if they’ve shown themselves to be unreliable.
Stay tuned, I’m hoping for more Dolphin reviews and tests later this year
Thanks!
Pleasure!
Interesting, thank you
Pleasure 👍
Thanks Tom, good video. I saw your check in a couple of hours earlier at Sutton Forest. My concern is these charging companies are getting government subsidies to install and half of them aren't working
That’s mine and your tax payer dollars that these companies have accessed via ARENA to install these unreliable units
@@LudicrousFeed I have emailed some politicians about it. The taxpayer's are being fleeced. NRMA etc have bought out Chargefox and I'm not seeing any improvement in fact things are now worse
in a few years time , we'll be hearing stories of charge station rage! its gonna be a long long time before the infrastructure comes into place. i'll stick with my V8 thanks! Great video!
Thanks for watching
Terrific info video…. Well done
Thank you
Really really good video for someone someone with standard aussie holiday ev range anxiety. Hope charging spots and variety increase sharply!
There are certainly more locations available now compared to when this video was posted
Thanks for sharing the EV experience between Sydney to Melbourne. First, congratulation to your wife and family for enduring 12 hours trip. Second, for putting up with several stops including off the Hume Highway to reach EV charging stations. Third, to you for going out in 29 degree heat to charge your car in open grounds with no shaded structure several times including putting up with 2nd and 3rd grade charing boothe. Fourth, to your family for putting up with getting off the highway to charge the vehicle. Fifth, for saving the money over Petrol fuel. Sixth, the penalty in time between a petrol vs EV car for the journey. You were also lucky that you did not have to queue to gain access to the charging booth on busy holiday period where your stop over time will be even greater each time. I am all for EV vehicle but if I was driving such car during night time, heavy rain, cold windy days, very hot days, have young children or frail parents and wish to conclude the journey feeling fresh within reasonable timeframe then EV vehicles are not practicable, safe or enjoyable. I would not want anyone to charge their $50-100K EV car middle of night in sleepy country town with children sleeping in the back seat. It takes us 9 hours + 30m pit stop for fuel top up/food and amenities break for us to to drive 877km from Sydney to Melbourne. We stop at a major service centre with 24 hour staff presence inside a complex avoiding rain, heat and dark alleys. Safety, security and comfort of my family comes first if we are to enjoy any holiday trip. Australia's EV infrustruce has 10 years to go before it emulates current facilities enjoyed by petrol cars. I appreciate Tesla charging centres are more advanced and reliable and account for 13.5% of journey. Our 30 minute stop accounts for 5% of our journey. I will use a EV vehicle for city driving and petrol for long distance touring. Thanks.
Good summary! After this trip, I would also like to see the infrastructure improve to a point where the majority of the population would feel as safe and comfortable on a drive like this as they would on an equivalent ICE journey today. I will keep provide updates in time to come, thanks for watching!
Thank you for reminding me why i won’t go EV. Even if you could have avoided half those stops it’s simply nuts. Hot day with kids in the back - that’s a family trip from hell. On a business journey I’m not making money while sitting in a park eating takeaway snacks. Clearly the battery tech isn’t up to the distances many Aussies regularly travel
Seems to be a crazy amount of unnecessary stops for charging to me.
Because it's non Tesla, be prepared for CPR....
I agree, I probably could have saved 30-45mins had I skipped 1-2 chargers as I mentioned at the end of the video. BUT, it was holiday period hence I wanted plenty of redundancy and didn’t want to risk it given:
1) family in the car - didn’t want to be stranded on the highway
2) if busy/queues during holiday season, better to have higher state of charge so I could skip a location if needed
3) poor reliability of chargers - any of these units could have died at any moment without warning so better to have higher state of charge to skip ahead
4) I wanted to show you, the viewer what is available en route 😃🙏
@@LudicrousFeed A good example of ABC. Very sensible for first time in a new car
@@LudicrousFeed I'd probably do the same if I were you, TBH. A stupid question, excuse for my ignorance, is it safe for the longetivity of the battery if we were charging frequently and not up to 98-99%? Sorry again for the stupid question.
@@rubenshi9673 If your EV is equipped with a LFP battery like the Atto 3, it’s recommended that you regularly top it up to 100%
Good video and summary
Thanks!
Thank you for your video. My wife and I are hoping to take delivery of our Atto 3 within weeks. We live in Vic and are going to attend the fully charged show in sydney and were hoping to go in our Atto 3. Your video has given us reassurance its not that hard to achieve. Thank you for your video
Glad you found it helpful - Ludicrous Feed will have a stand at FCL so come say hello!
Could've taken plenty of videos and photos of the Dolphin since its a public place.
We have an M3 and an Atto3. Our trips are mainly Sydney Canberra and Canberra to Batemans Bay.
Both vehicles can do these trips with destination charging only. So very easy.
The Atto3 is a particularly relaxing drive due to very good ride and adaptive cruise.
I agree enroute charging generally needs a lot of improvement. Rapid charging in and around Canberra is also very limited for non-Tesla vehicles.
Around Canberra I have found the EVie network to be a good more reliable than Chargefox. There are plenty of Tesla chargers around town but they are very pricey, consequently Teslas often also tie up the cheaper non Tesla chargers, even as Tesla chargers go unused.
Agreed the Evie network seems more reliable
Definitely find a lot of Teslas at non tesla chargers. Particularly the free NRMA chargers. Tesla pricing is well OTT and will need to drop with increasing competition.
Thank you it’s making me think I need to plan a EV trip to Sydney
It’s a very doable journey
Glad I watched this. Convinced me I do not need to change over any time soon.
It’s a good snapshot of the current state of play when it comes to EVs (as of Jan 2023 anyway)
Bjorn actually experienced the opposite when driving the Atto 3 in Thailand. He found that when he turned the car on while DC fast charging, the charging rate dropped significantly. 9:44
Was he AC or DC charging? Because I find the charge rate slows with AC charging when the car is on
@@LudicrousFeedHe was DC charging. However his problem was he was doing a 1000km challenge and typically letting the car get quite low on charge. It started at 88kW but dropped down dramatically at the same point every time in the charge cycle. Think it might have been 50% but you'd have to watch the video.
Great vid thanks Tom. I've noticed on my Atto 3 the charge curve varies according to ambient temperature, and how hard I've been pushing the thing, so it basically varies with battery temp as well as SOC. Just sayin'. I've also found both Evie and ChargeFox start charging more reliably from their apps. Apparently they shouldn't, but they do.
Interesting point re: battery temp
Bjorn Nyland did some trips in sunny Thailand in an Atto 3, and he eventually realized that if you turn the car on while charging, and it starts running the AC, it actually takes away some of the battery cooling capacity and the car would charge slower. If the car is off while fast charging, it has full battery cooling capacity, and you can pretty much get its max speed every time.
My experience was different to Bjorn's because as you saw in my video, I had the AC running and still managed to get 89kW which is the car's top charging rate
@@LudicrousFeed Interesting, and nice know that at least in your car you can stay nice and cool inside the car without affecting charge rate. I was concerned about the 88 kW peak charge rate compared to Teslas/Hyundai etc, but that FLAT charge curve where it pegs to 88 kW until what, at least 80%? That's pretty impressive. In places where charging network is more reliable, and you can run it down to 20% and just flat 88kW charge all the way to 80 or even 90% SOC, that's actually not too bad compared to other cars that'll peak at 150 kW or more, but then by 50% they are down to 60 or 70 kW speeds.
@@tren133 Will do a charge curve vid soon
Very informative..
Glad you found it helpful
What an excellent and informative video! Well done! I recently travelled from Melbourne to Sydney (885 km) in a 2.5litre Mazda 3. By comparison with your Atto 3 Melbourne-Sydney trip (from the spreadsheet), I averaged a slightly higher speed on the road (100.2 km/h, vs 97.4 km/h), spent 30 minutes stationary (10 minutes filling the car, 20 minutes refuelling me) for a total trip time of 9 hrs 20 minutes (approximately 2.5 hours quicker overall).
Fuel efficiency was 6.03 litres / 100km, and I filled up at 191.9 cpl, for a total trip cost of $102.67. Some credit is due to the 7-11 price lock app which gave me city prices for petrol in the country!
In your spreadsheet you've recorded your charging at home as being zero cost - but I suspect that this is closer to 25c / kWh in reality. Allowing for that, your total cost was $83.12 - effectively $20 cheaper on fuel.
For me, the time saving on a long run still means the ICE is best for travelling. However, in the city for the daily commute.... I think the EV value proposition has potential.
The cost of charging at home back to 100% is covered in Part 2 of my video: Mel to Syd
Great video, very informative and practical. Do you think BYD will include the charger locations and SoC estimates (like the ones on Tesla navigation) on their NAVIGATION app soon?
The native BYD nav (which uses Google maps) does actually already have Charger location and availability ... but myself as an early EV adopter, old habits die hard and my trust is low hence why I crawled through various data points eg Plugshare, native apps etc
@@LudicrousFeed thank you for your reply! Does the BYD nav plan the charging points same as Tesla nav? ie. you plot the journey then the BYD Nav indicates where you will need to charge to get to your destination?
Thanks again! I appreciate the information you share in your real world tests/reviews!
I may release a Trip Planning vid
This video has nicely summarised why EVs still have such a long way to go before they're ready for mass adoption. The average driver has neither the time or interest to plan a trip to this degree, worry about not being able to charge etc etc.
The quality of non Tesla charging infrastructure here and in many other places in the world is absolutely woeful. Tritum are our national embarrassment.
Agreed, as much as I enjoy planning, I appreciate that life would be easier for the population if the non-Tesla charging network was more reliable
Very useful comparison between Telsa/BYD and changer reliability, thanks.
I saw a Model Y at a camping site today, they had a tent rather than sleeping in the car.
Nice!
your focus on the charging experience is a nice change.
Hopefully this sets a baseline for future comparisons 👍
Good Video Tom!
Are you able to estimate the extra costs of food/et al because you would have stopped more often with EV than with ICE? (Especially with family.)
Cost neutral with food. We’re not big eaters
At 4:30 and I've already decided against owning a full ev car. Just not happening in Australia atm. Ill try again in 5yrs.
Great to see a video of a real world experience. Shows there is still a lot of investment and improvements needed. Also conforms there is no case for me changing to an electric vehicle for my long distance work. As someone who does Sydney Melbourne in around 9 hours with no refuelling stress (One fill) the additional time, stops and stress of finding working chargers, there is no compelling reason for me change at present. My car is 10 years old and averages around 8l per 100km on Sydney Melbourne run ($110 in fuel at $2 a litre). It is good to see things are improving and hopefully the cost benefit to buy an EV will be there for me. For my local area driving an EV would be fine if the initial cost was not so high. Overall the payback is not there for me at all and I do not have spare money to spend unless justified. Thanks for the real world information rather than evangelical over optimistic figures.
Pleasure. We live in the real world so I’ll always do real world tests
hi tom...thanks for the video...
i've purchased myself a BYD Atto 3 surf blue, 480 km extended battery...
the amount you paid for the trip down, that was quite mind blowing, this is my First EV, so i appreciate this video, the information provided, the use of the 2 RID cards for Evie and Chargefox, as well I am a member of the NRMA which gives me discount as well, this video was a game changer, as i am thinking of doing newcastle to port macquarie, over to Tamworth then back down to Newcastle over a 2 day weekend, or might even do a week, just need to test the waters a bit as that road trip, would be used for doing Uber with...and while up at Port Macquarire, I could also use the rideshare app, go buggy
once again tom thanks for the video, charging times in the Atto 3 is quite mind blowing actually to see it....thank-you I also have the Evie & Chargefox Apps on my phone, as well as Plugshare, and the tesla app so I have a variety, but the one I would use the use the most is the Chargefox and the Evie apps when it comes to charging.
My pleasure! Glad you found it informative and I hope you enjoy the BYD when it arrives 😃👍
i'll stick to traditional car for roadtrip...thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
You're welcome! Traditional cars are definitely reliable for road trips. Have a great time on your journey!
Great video as I travel between Canberra and Melbourne Good to see Tesla options Cheers
Pleasure
❤️ BYD Atto 3 🌈
ABBs and Kempowers in addition to the Tritiums? Yes, please!
Bring it!
Thankyou for showing the difficulties of Interstate travel in the Atto 3. As a recent purchaser of a Atto 3 I was planning a trip from Brisbane to Sydney but after viewing your video I have decided against it. I don't understand why you need to go off the highways to hopefully find a fast charger in working order, in the small towns along the way. Why isn't there charging stations in the servos that are along the highway, seems like a no brainer to me. I also don't understand why it is necessary to have either a phone app or a special card to pay for the charge, why can't the companys that own the charging outlets simply allow payment by credit/debit card, as you can for just about any goods and services you normally use. The electric car industry has to make charging and paying simple as filling up with petrol if ever they wish to become mainstream. Imagine having to go to different service stations for your brand of car and have a credit card exclusive to that station, ridiculous! I have noticed that there are no NRMA/RACQ/RACV chargers between the Queensland border and Newcastle.
I agree with many of your points especially with regards to payment methods. My understanding is that at the current stage of adoption, providers use apps for data capture to make future decisions. Hopefully as the market matures, users can just ‘tap and go’ with their credit cards!
So if you have no idea why, you need to research how hard it is to provide a massive amount of electrical power to a fast charger. For example a remote petrol station on the highway just needs a power line to run, fast chargers require transformers, and individual power lines ie you can't just run an extension cable from a power point to the charger. Prior to EVs the general public would NEVER be near 50KW, that's a huge amount of electricity and if it was to leak for example it would boil off all the water in your body and set you on fire, instantly. There is no rescue from voltages like this.
Thanks matee
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Had one as a rental in Sydney yesterday, great fun
Nice!
Very informative video. Thank you. BTW, dolphin is a very cute compact affordable EV.
Looking forward to testing the Dolphin 👍😁
I've never driven in a Dolphin EV, but if it's typical of small cars like a Hyundai i30 it'd be very uncomfortable for long drives say between Sydney and Brisbane or Melbourne.
A Better Route Planner tells me Sydney GPO to Melbourne GPO will take me 9 hrs 34 mins, including 2 short charge stops, in our Tesla Model 3 Long Range. Easy indeed.
Easier in a Tesla
But having said that, there’s planning and then there’s reality
It's great watching you charging at Goulburn and Yass since I was there back in July 2022 charging my rented MG ZS EV. Nice memories! Shame you had to charge up to 100% (or thereabouts) based on charge anxiety. No such thing as charge anxiety in Hong Kong since we can't do long road trips 😄
Would love to be able to charge to a lower % once we sort out the charger reliability issues in Australia
A nice drive is melb to Eden then Eden to Sydney... beautiful drive n be great drive.
6.30am- dad mode activated- gotta beat the traffic
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@@LudicrousFeed The car seemed to handle multiple charges on a hot day well. How was the aircon? Great dolphin spotting ! did they say anything interesting ?
@@Dwil9057 climate control worked well! Dolphin testers were happy with the vehicle: they were doing Melbourne to Sydney
If u doing long trips in Aus I still think hybrid is the way to go. My Camry won't even need a single fuel stop to complete this trip. I can stop wherever I want for smoko, not where the charger is in some shytehole. In New Zealand u can sorta get away with an EV on road trips since everything is down the road lol.
Sure if you really are in a hurry then by all means use another form of transportation other than EV, for now anyway
It is amazing to see the different EV markets. You're already well on your way in Aus to adopting the big Chinese brands wholesale by the look of it. And good for you. They're obviously great cars. Also, from Germany,. severe weather-envy! I drove 250km yesterday in my Polestar 2 to pick up a piece of furniture, which was an interesting test of the car's loading flexibility. No problem at all. But the weather was hideous. You wouldn't want to imagine. And we have several more months to come! 230 Wh/km btw, but in soaking weather with near gales, 5°C, and quite a lot of 130 km/h or more. Charged twice for the sake of it, because it's cheaper from Ionity than from the house atm (insane situation). Charging in that sort of weather is not a nice experience tbh. Just makes me more envious watching your video. BYD Atto 3 looks really nicely made though. And the battery is a huge advantage since it's essentially got an infinite life.
Thanks for sharing your cold weather experience! I’m happy to take our warm days for now 😎
I remember supercharging a Model X in sub-zero C temps from a cold battery a few years ago in the US. Not pleasant indeed! Took almost 30’ just to get past 10kW 😟
Moving from Australia to France, watching this really makes me appreciate the TGV trains here
Thoughts in on high speed rail in Aus?
I remember reading about govt plans for *starting* construction of Sydney to Melbourne route in 2030, it made me laugh at the time
@@alexl7015 Why waste at least 6 hours on a superfast train, you can do it in a hour on a airplane, fly midweek and special deals less than $100
@@lot6129 the goal is to make it faster than 6 hrs. The beauty with trains also is that you can create a schedule which does *quick* stops at interesting towns. So with some flexi ticket one could have sth similar to a roadtrip. Not to talk about environmental friendly way of travel
Thanks. Found this really interesting. Used to be keen. Recently changed my mind. It clearly takes ten to twenty times longer to recharge an EV than to refuel a regular vehicle over a long trip. You've almost certainly proved that here. And yet we don't have ten to twenty times as many EV charging points as regular fuel pumps. Which is what is required for all of us to switch. Think I'm going to believe it when I see it. My car will have to last ten to twenty more years 🙂. Oh, and, one more thing: it already costs too much. You're paying too much to recharge. Not your fault. But it's absolutely not economically viable. Not a head decision at all vs cost of car.
Fair observations and I agree we don’t currently have the infrastructure to meet the growing fleet and demand of EVs. I’m hoping the right decision makers see this video and implement change. Eventually the cost of recharging will reach the cost of petrol like it is in Europe on public DC chargers but the real benefit of an EV is recharging at home regularly every night and where possible using renewables if you have solar.
We never will either, because the actual electrical grid cannot cope. We cannot generate enough, fast enough and cannot transfer the energy quick enough for it to be similar to petrol/ diesel. Also another thing to remember is if you regularly drain the battery it kills the longevity of the pack , meaning in the future you have the equivalent of a used car price to replace the batteries.
Good review and nice car for the money. Charging systems and speeds are horrible
Charging reliability in Australia needs to improve
@@LudicrousFeed it's bound to only get better from here hopefully
Did our first trip (Ioniq 38KW) from Adelaide to Melbourne and back earlier in the year. I agree with your observations about 'charger anxiety' -- especially in the Melbourne CBD as it happened -- and the reliability of Plugshare. I was very conservative on the way over, never exceeding 90k/ph -- which annoyed a few drivers! -- but relaxed a bit on the way back because we were more confident about the chargers. The charger in Horsham was down and that was critical because it's our half-way point (we usually stay overnight), but our hotel allowed us to trickle charge overnight which was very handy. I was very pleased with the way the car travelled. Overall it's very doable. Going in the other direction (we have relatives in Port Lincoln) is a little more problematic but this should change fairly soon.
Thanks for sharing and so true that things will improve with time
Drove Nowra to Melbourne (820km) 2nd Jan in my GV60. First experience public charging and road trip with an EV. Used ABRP to plan, but deviated on it after good numbers and charging up to Tarcutta. So pushed my range on my next leg to Euroa. Arriving at Euroa around lunchtime was a different experience. Chaos! About 40 mins to get onto a charger but nowhere to wait/park. Of note probably a 20 min wait to get onto a petrol pump too. Arriving on 3% I had no other option. Once charging I was happy until all power went down to all chargers! Thankfully I now had enough to go the next charger at Avenel but had another 15min wait. All fine from there.
Return trip home on the 8th stuck to the ABRP plan. Unavailability of Gundagai a real issue for planning both ways, and heat at Tarcutta and battery saw my charging drop to
Perhaps an unfair comparison but I have a M3 long range and do not have to stop nearly as often.
You can probably buy 2 Attos for the price of the M3LR
Tesla supercharger network is rock solid
At 68 years of age, I have no reason put myself in a situation, where I would experience ANY type of anxiety. Particularly when it comes to something as basic as going on a road trip. ICE for me thank you.
Fair enough, I'll take the anxiety for everyone! I plan to monitor the DC charging situation on this route hopefully on a regular basis
You’re very kind, I’m 58 and this trip would explode my head. I have a Long range Model 3 and road trips are a joy. With 500+km “real world” range Sydney to Melbourne requires just 2 stops:
20 minute top up in Goulburn
30 minute top up in Albury.
Then Melbourne.
Autopilot takes the mental load of steering and managing speed so you get to the destination fresh not fatigued.
Agreed Rory, having driven a few EVs on long drives, it’s much easier in a Tesla in 2023
Thanks for your video, with an ATTO 3 LR on order, appreciated your content, especially the re-charging. Doubtful I will stray much more than 450 or 500km from home here in Melbourne. Downloaded Plugshare to see where the charging stations are relative to the places we travel to and frequent. And this morning checked out a few at Greensborough plaza, Ivanhoe library and can see a few Woolworths not too far from home have them, etc. Familarizing yourself with EVs is probably not too much different that the first horseless carriage owners 110 years ago!
That’s the spirit! Explore what’s available and hopefully the map will be filled with more chargers in time to come
Thanks for the real world review! I’m considering getting EV but this video help me to decide to stick with petrol car for few more years.
Look out for more regular reviews on my channel!
Good work, thinking of buying this car :)
Nice!
@@LudicrousFeed Xiexie Ni! BYD Atto3 getting good reviews. It's a good brand, brother-in-law drives a petrol car still :) I've seen two Atto3 close to us, looks great ! QLD is so hot, so I'll get for a white one :) Haven't test driven yet, hopefully soon.
Celebrating Syd>Melb in one day like its 1960. Shows how far we have come.
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Very good video thanks ! I have the ioniq5 but maybe my next car will be a BYD !
Definitely give the BYD consideration!
I drive from Central Coast to East Gippsland down the Monaro Hwy several times a year. Although not a perfect trip guide for me, it's good to know it's doable. Although the Cooma to Cann River drive might make me worry a bit, although that will be fixed when Bombala opens some charger stations.
But awesome and informative video, and you answered the one thing i wanted at the end with the fuel to EV comparison. My Corolla gets me 900km on full tank on the hwy.
My pleasure and I’m glad you are able to see that long distance EV travel, although admittedly probably not as convenient as it could be, is possible and is getting better as more chargers are installed. The challenge moving forward will be stall numbers and reliability. We know EVs work well when there are enough working chargers at each point: this will help with trip anxiety
Interesting video, and thanks for sharing. I have done the same Melbourne to Sydney and reverse numerous times in my Tesla Model Y, and initially I was also wary about the chargers being broken or ICED. Like you, (early on in ownership) I kept stopping to top up a lot more than was necessary (mainly due to wifeys anxiety on our 2023 Melb-Cairns-Melb trip via Dubbo). Whereas, on our Melb to Adelaide trip in Feb 2024, we only stopped twice, at Stawell Vic (Tesla 250kW), and Keith (Chargefox 350kW). Basically we ran the battery down to about 20% before refilling. Generally, we avoid Tesla chargers because of the ridiculous (and most expensive cost of 70c/kWh). One slight advantage the Tesla has over the BYD is it can charge at up to 250kW compared to 88 kW for the BYD. It is a great time saver, but that's about all... Happy driving. Regards, Greg.
Thanks for sharing your experience and yes it does take a bit to get over the charger reliability anxiety. The only solution would be to install more stalls at each location to minimise downtime in case they are either broken or in use 👍
Thanks for this-i hired one in Perth and found it ok ,but less chargers around -will definately rent electric again ,and hope WA puts in more chargers soon!
Check out the WA EV charging network!
www.synergy.net.au/Our-energy/Projects/WA-EV-Network
Thank you Tom, interesting reading.
We have an Atto 3 and intend driving it across to Adelaide from Bellingen in late Feb to attend the Writer's Festival. We need to go down to Newcastle first. You mentioned you drove a Tesla across to Adelaide early last year. Perhaps you had a passenger called Saul with you.
Your video has stressed the point to not fully rely on expecting the chargers to be working. That point was also pointed out on a NZ video on a trip from Auckland to Wellington. The point seems to be have enough battery to reach the charger next along from the one you're aiming for.
Great point Gary: have enough redundancy to be able to skip the next charger should it be broken/occupied
Great video, thank you for posting. For me, I'll wait for BYD to introduce their 800v electrical system so that I can get 250kw or higher speeds. Hopefully by then there will be enough DC fast chargers available as well.
Huge difference with 800V as I've seen with Hyundai/Kia charging speeds
@@LudicrousFeed I agree. 80Kw is good for 99% of the time to be fair. For a road trip the faster charging is welcome.
Great video. I wasn't that interested in BYD cars but they seem to have improved a lot the past couple of years. May consider looking at one next time I am in the market for a car.
They’re good value
Great experiment thanks Tom!
Those comparison cost figures at the end - would be good to give fuel cost for a comparably sized ICE SUV, like a Mazda CX5 or something.
(I guess I could do that myself with a calculator if I wasn't too lazy😉)
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I appreciated the numbers. I've got a RAV4 Hybrid and it looks like I would save about $30 in fuel, but it would take me an extra 2.5h of journey.
Very interesting and informative video! I own a 2020 Toyota RAV4 hybrid which averages (on the highway) around 5.5 to 6 litres per 100km, which would have cost about $100 to travel the same distance, so it's great to see EVs are considerably cheaper than a hybrid! You make a great point about "charger anxiety" as opposed to range anxiety. I often travel the Bruce Highway here in Queensland, which is very absent of chargers in regional areas, at least compared to NSW and VIC.
Indeed charger anxiety remains an issue particular for the non-Tesla DC network. Hopefully things improve as we see more investment into EVs and the surrounding infrastructure in Australia 👍
Considerably cheaper? roughly $30 less in the EV (which includes free charges - when will NRMA change that?) - Electricity prices going up 25%.... EV costs will be on par with a Hybrid shortly you would expect. Interestingly I would have expected the Hybrid to be more economical than that - We have a small turbo sedan that averages about 5-6l /100 highway and a large diesel SUV that averages 7l/100 when not towing.
@@SuperMattb17 The best I've achieved is 3.9 litres/100km (a few trips to work, 35km each way) but that's early in the morning with little traffic and no hills, etc. On the highway hybrids are not as economical as around town (opposite to a regular ICE vehicle). With a mix of town and highway travel I regularly get about 1000km out of 45 to 50 litres. EVs are the future anyway as all manufacturers will eventually be ONLY making them. BUT here in Australia it will take a very long time for this to flow through, especially when it comes to larger vehicles like 4WDs, trucks, buses, etc. which I believe will be hydrogen fuel cell powered over BEV.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. Unfortunately it has swayed me not to buy an electric vehicle. In a regular 4 cyl car would have been 1 5min stop to fuel up. I know. It works out a little cheaper for now but my time is worth more.
Very informative, thank you for sharing. I drove Atto 3 last week, it was ok but didn’t felt that driver connection with the car, compared to the Polestar 2 which had me grinning all the way. Of course different price points.
Thanks for sharing, I’m glad we now have more choice in the market with more to come!
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