He stayed true to his character in the sense that he always carried out his duties as an admiral, granted, we hadn't seen him in action for a long time Imo, the whole ordeal re-contextualizes his affirmations (cog in the machine) as that, self-affirmations that he will carry out the assassination of Vegapunk, and I believe it all circles back to Saturn's actions and how evil he is bringing grief to Vegapunk along with his "family," with Kizaru eventually falling victim to Saturn's sadistic tendencies However, whether people truly want to empathize with Kizaru is up to them
After everything that has happened he isnt really unclear, unsure I can see, but I think it's better to say he has blind eye justice. He turns as much of a blind eye to almost everything in the story. Until in egghead he has to turn the blind eye to his own reality.
Interesting, though I have I have mention that for the most part Kizaru lived up to unclear justice given that most readers couldn't really grasp what his motives were rooted in
Even in the movies, it is said that he relies too much on his devil fruit. I choose to interpret that as him having relatively weak haki for an admiral. He doesn't have any real willpower to drive the things he does.
@@PipPanoma Haki is Willpower made manifest into greater strength Someone like Kizaru who is unclear about what he wants is unable to utilize his haki to the fullest
This was all about Saturn's manipulation. He was watching Kizaru's every move, and Kizaru being an Admiral had to oblige. What Kizaru was doing was pretending to follow Saturn's orders while trying to allow an opening for him to be defeated. That way Saturn couldn't say that Kizaru didn't follow orders, or coin him a traitor. He would conclude that Kizaru lost in the process of following his duties as an Admiral. Vegapunk on the other hand saw this too which made it harder on Kizaru, and put him between a rock and a hard place. He was getting manipulated by Vegapunk and Saturn on both sides. He had no choice but to shoot Vegapunk because of how the situation unfolded. This is the same thing Garp went through watching Ace's execution. He was being manipulated by Sengoku who watched his every move. He also chose to get KO'd by Luffy because he didn't want to deal with being tormented by being stuck in between. Garp lashed out at Sengoku and told him to shut up, and Kizaru did the same thing to Akainu.
Kizaru is "uncertainty" because he is "Light" With light the uncertainty is whether it is observed as it can be a wave or a particle(?) Depending on whether it is observed. Thus i think we can extrapolate Kizaru while watched has different priorities as when he is alone.
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I still believe that Vegapunk asked Kizaru to kill him.
I think Kizaru is human and this was hard for him, but this does NOT in anyway absolve him. He made his choice. He was willing to kill Vegapunk in the end, he was willing to kill Bonney and Kuma and it was only thanks to others that saved them. He is guilty of murder, no matter how bad he feels later. He is gray and he does put his duty ahead of other things, but simply because he doesn't want to do something or he feels bad, doesn't mean he gets a free pass for anything.
I agree, but I think the overarching point here is that we aren’t really seeing the full story yet. Until we know his history, his relationship and allegiances and loyalties as well as his motivations like we should probably reserve judgement because one piece as a story does a pretty good job at eventually breaking down in a pretty realistic way that while there is evil characters or factions that serve a greater good or greater evil, it is a lot more nuanced and complex then that and isn’t so black and white and there is different perspectives. Sure right now, from what we know, have been told, what we know about all the people opposing borsalino yes, it’s easy to draw these conclusions but that doesn’t mean in the end when we really know the full story we won’t have a completely different opinion. I mean take snape as a prime example from Harry Potter , not only was he perceived to us and everyone in the story to be a traitor to his mentor, his friends, his students, we saw first hand that even if we did have our doubts because we still didn’t know his full story yet that he was the one with his own two hands to kill dumbledore…and so the same can be true of snape, that well regardless of his feelings he was guilty of killing dumbledore but once we really knew the full story, why he did what he did like it not only completely absolved him of any guilt like he ended up basically being a legitimate hero. Doesn’t mean the same will be true with borsalino but I prefer to reserve judgement until I get the full perspective.
All i want to add is that the admirals were inspired by yakuza actors and i think oda is trying to get us to view them as yakuza like calling each other brother and bound by hierarchy and duty
@@mrbubbles6468 Literally the first marines we see in the story are terrorizing people and are corrupt assholes up until good boi Smoker shows up. You think they are the exception when all the marines do is defend the down to the core super corrupted world government? Literally in Ohara and recently Egghead they are ready to commit genocides no questions asked
@mrbubbles6468 no they are not. There's more akainu than garp minded people in the navy. That's like saying since the strawhats are nice to ppl all Pirates are good for the world. There will be no "good" group until the world government is reformed and the story is over
Think from a poor kid's perspective thinkin' the world is a shitty place that needs order..it's pretty basic to understand. We know WG takes orphans etc for the Marine. He knows it's not perfect but better than chaos. Akainu has poor background as well.. Plus they are the Marine. They take order from WG not Marine.
The thing is, is that Kizaru's personality has always been a front. As such it was until he broke down and cried, that we finally saw a bit of the real Kizaru. There's also one specific quote Kizaru did at Egghead that is very not Kizaru-like. When Sanji kicks his laser. Kizaru retorts very differently than how he normally does. He actually responds very seriously and logically. He dropped the facade, for just a bit, the shock of seeing his laser was a bit too much. But then, he recomposes himself and successfully brings a more nonchalant quote. Very few noticed it. But it is clear the real Kizaru is a logic based person. As such emotions and logic can cause a conflict. So the best way to deal with it, is by trying to not take the situation seriously. But Egghead was too much for that facade. Kizaru knew it though. But Akainu nagging at him, was just the breaking point. I do believe Kizaru is no longer going to be the same after Egghead. He will try to act nonchalantly, but it is likely that the events on Egghead have left a scar that will make it very hard for him to use his facade as easily as before.
To me, Kizaru is someone who really understand they greys of the world, but also more of the darks of it, he isnt complacient with the orders because he believes its the right thing to do, but believes its the least evil It is my belief that Kizaru has info equal to or close to the Fleet Admiral, so his position is similar to Sengoku, but had decided to act on what he believes is the least evil possibility
I wanna believe that Kizaru was forced into the Marine path solely due to his Devil Fruit. Seeing the pictures of Oda of Kizaru as a kid, we see him reading. Also the fact he considers Vegapunk his best friend, i believe Kizaru wanted to be a Scholar or a Scientist when he was young. But his Devil Fruit forced him into the path of the Marines. It is also why he actively worked with Vegapunk, he may not have achieved his dream, but at least he can work with the person he admires. But as he climbed the ladder, he grew tired and disappointed. But at the same time he is the type of man that believes in the idea of Order and Justice. So he decided to just go with the flow. But as the years passed, going with the flow became most like letting the flow guide him. Oda is basing Kizaru on the typical Japanese Salaryman, persons that to ensure they maintain their job continue doing a job they hate, doing things they dont want, working exhausting hours for little to no praise. Kizaru is indeed just a cog in a machine, and the fact he knows it is his only solace. To him personal Justice doesn't exist, Justice is no longer something he can grasp, is what his superiors tell him what it is.
I personally never feelt like kizaru wanted to kill vegapunk and the rest, and well now we now know that he 100% didn’t want to do it , he was tasked with doing so, and was sent there with a gorosei memeber which is actually pretty insane if you think about it, it’s pretty understandable that he wouldn’t want to do it, but he was forced to by the world government, he tried to evade it as much as possible by wasting time with luffy and just talking with vegapunk to just straight up missing opportunities that he had to accomplish his mission. I feel like he tried to keep his composure and act like normal, and that’s why he doesn’t really show what he is feeling with his body or face, but with his actions, and this would ultimately lead to Saturn noticing that he wasn’t doing as good as he normally does showing that he was mentally conflicted since the start, so at that point it becomes quite clear that he has no other option but to finish his mission, because Saturn was up to him, so it would make sense that at the end he would end up killing vegapunk.
I dont know why people have these insane expectations of Marines to defy the World Government or their own Orders. Its like asking a random Police Officer to break the law or change the law or blame them FOR the law because you dont agree with it. Its not their job to make/change laws, its their job to enforce them as currently written. They are soldiers, and its a war against pirates every day in the world of One Piece. I really dont think this is a hard concept to understand but for some reason a lot of people it just completely goes over their heads. Anyone who says "well they could always quit their job" is really blind to the obvious ideals of them being a Marine in the fucking first place. They have a sense of justice, they have ideals they want to protect for everyone, they see a greater evil that could be cast upon the world if they dont enforce these laws. Marines like Koby go into their service seeing a VERY big picture and its what drives them passionately. But much like Koby they slowly are introduced to the smaller details over time that are not so pretty as that big picture. And they have to decide "am i ok with the small horrors, if i can defeat the big horrors". Kizaru killed his best friend because he HAS to believe that if hes received these orders that its important to the worlds safety. And that if it were anyone else he would eliminate them within a blink of an eye. He cant play favorites with criminals even if they are friends and family. However, he was shaken to his core through out the entire process and afterwards broke down in tears because even if hes protecting justice and the safety of the world.... he has to kill a part of himself to do it. Thats what Justice truly is.
I mean, the power to enact state violence and the willingness to use that against the populace is a personal choice. Can a cop change law? No. But they can choose to take on personal risk by not enforcing immoral or unjust laws in the moment. They can't change the system any more than any of us. But they aren't powerless because unlike us they have that authority from state violence. The inspirational effect of one or a few standing against and failing. Is an effect. And robbing that system of one more willing participant is also an effect. Throw a pebble into a lake and you ripple the entire surface.
@@HerculesOfHate yeah agreed with the entire point here. Just because the wg does something evil and is ruled by monsters , vegapunk still chose to do what wasnt allowed to so he knowingly broke the law. Kizaru is like a police officer. Even if u know its ur best friend u have to abide by the law. Yes. The law is bad but the law maintains order. U cant just break order and put the world in chaos and say "i did good justice ". No. U didnt do anything.. Kizaru has seen how the world works being the oldest among the og admirals. He has seen kuzan fight and leave the system to do what? Join the most evil pirates? What do they expect the admiral to do? Leave his duties , rebel against the wg alone , get hunted down by the other admirals and just tarnish the name of the wg? Garp couldve rebelled and given ace a saving chance. But he couldnt. The order must be upheld until we can remove the problem at the root. And even if he did rebel.. To accomplish what? They had the gorosei incoming so we can safely assume vegapunk was gonna die anyway. Kizaru saving vegapunk or rebelling the wg would not serve any purpose. A person who has served the wg for his entire life just going against the entire goverment for a best friend wont suit his character as an admiral at all
@@radaro.9682 The point i think you are missing is that a Soldier refusing to fight on the battle field will never impact or change a thing(other than killing themselves and others potentially). Law isnt changed on the battlefield its changed in courts and in government. The marines at the end of the day cant just stop working and boycot the law. If they did that the pirates would completely take over in the time that the Government even took notice. Soldiers fight and follow orders. If you arent capable of that then you were never meant to be a soldier. Police are only a good example of real world politics being pushed on people just doing their job. The Marines are more of a hybrid of Police and Soldiers, leaning more heavily on soldiers as they are trained to kill and follow orders without hesitation.
@@HerculesOfHate it won't impact much, no. But you're ignoring that one soldier choosing to stop fighting is the same impact the other side has when the kill someone. If that's not impactful what use is it throwing soldiers at each other. No mater the outcome it didn't have an impact. Discounting the act of the one or the few is how refusing collective action is justified and excused. Either it's 0+0+0...... or it's not. Can't be both.
@@radaro.9682 Theres always impact, but its not just positive or negative and its not always intended. A soldier not following orders can be the sole reason an infiltration or mission fails. If it fails it doesnt always mean theres no losses on either side. An entire squadron of people can go ass up if a single soldier hesitates or fucks up at a crutial moment. The truth is that you shouldnt be a soldier PERIOD if thats going to be an issue with you. Thats the dark truth of being a soldier. Politics and the rule of law can not be argued in the battlefield. Best example is that Koby tried to stand up in that moment to protest at Marineford. He said what he wanted and made a momentary protest..... only to almost be executed by his own people for delaying the assault. It took a powerful 3rd party to save his life. Guess what, in real life a powerful 3rd party is not going to save your life on the battlefield. You just die and people around you often will as well. Oda is trying to show in that moment that yes Authority needs to be questioned and held accountable. But its a dramatization of those things. Court is the REAL place these things happen and resolve, doing it on the battlefield is a death sentence.
I think you missed a bit of the point, the tragedy of Kizaru is that both he and Vegapunk serve as instrumental agents of systems of oppression. Vegapunk literally dies for his sins and Kizaru has to be the boot to do so, however unwilling he may be. But the irony is that this ends up playing into the themes of will inherited. Vegapunk needed to die to send the message and do something meaningful to absolve himself for allowing his greed to run rampant. Kizaru as much as he hated what he was doing, ended up doing what Vegapunk wanted, tragically cementing his role as a tool of abusive government and now he has to bear the weight of his sin. Idk why people keep forgetting Oda’s criticisms of abusive governments. The man’s got a poster of Che on his wall, the Admirals and the Marines in general are not the good guys, and wont be until the heads that dictate the means of violence are removed and replaced by Koby.
Sunken cost fallacy and suffocating inner conflict. The world can cause a kindhearted man to become jaded and bitter, hiding behind sarcasm and humor. Kizaru just went through his own personal Ohara incident. I have a feeling he might join the revolutionary army by the end of the story.
If you think about it’s he’s kinda like the CIA. He’s more so connected to the “shadow” government than anyone else beside Sengoku. He was basically running an op with Vegapunk and got too close. Maybe his form of Justice is a Justice that can resemble criminal activity.
People disappointed in Kizaru power levels fail to realize the Strawhats are some of the strongest people in the verse now. Luffy is a legit Yonko now, and Zoro and Sanji will be Admiral level by the end of the manga. Remember that will have a huge part to play in powers levels too, and Kizaru didn't seem to have much will to do what he was doing, but was just following orders. I think he was protrayed very well considering the type of character he is. Also he isn't the focus in this story or arc, so he performed his role very well.
i think many has missed that kizaru looks like in the verge of crying, if not already crying or tearing up, way back in chapter 1111 on the last page, saying "he is deeply wounded" or "his wound is deep" indicating his heart's is broken not literal wound he's clearly conflicted with his action, and when akainu tries to call him out, there's no surprise that kizaru would snapped.
I think we need to start by assuming that Vegapunk had planned for Kizaru to kill him, and that it was important for him to do so. He is always following orders and should be extremely predictable for someone like Vegapunk, his effort is heavily related to his internal conflict, despite always following orders. Ans we might still reach the point where he still breaks away from the marines.
I just feel like confusion and conflict is how we are supposed to take Kizaru’s actions. And something is telling me Kizaru knew Vega Punk wanted to die for his plan. Because who else did Vega Punk think would be able to kill him?
This is who kizaru actually is if anyone wants to know: It's not about the content of the plan but about execution of plans which will outshine plans not being realized. It's what most people do and what happens to a population that is powerless. Kizaru has great power to fight and defeat anyone (as in potential) but not to rule the world which is why he supports the dominant faction no matter who it is He is following orders because he believes in obedience to authoroty or power despite one's own believes. Kinda like kaido but in an accepted subordinate position. If whatever authority has power to realize a plan its better than no plan or chaos. This is how he is in contrast to both kuzan and akainu Kizaru is a straight line from power Like a light ray from the sun Akainu is overwhelming righteous power like the sun or molten core of earth at the center of things Kuzan is conservative power in consideration for an effective position to use power Like ice expanding under the earth to break a road from underneath Kizaru is so simple that people can't understand a person like that
Considering in as SBS we saw a studious Borsalino perhaps he entered the Navy on a scholarship in the Navy's tactics division and owes a debt to the Navy furthering his education.
Sakazuki and Borsalino being referred to as brothers did not shock me because of the cover for the chapter titled Cheer where we see Borsalino being supportive to Sakazuki whilst tending to his bonzai tree.
It seems like kizaru was intentionally missing and delaying hits looking for ways to fail until Saturn was really watching like kill him now or you know the consequences so he did and as soon as he had it immediately devastated him and after that he’s just not the same person. The new kisaru was willing to feed luffy
I really like how Oda developed him. Realistically if you are a killer who identity is connected to following orders faithfully but then are asked to kill your friend… you have a mode you can tap into and force yourself to do it… but he was not dying on the inside and after the dead was done his human side came pouring out. In fact he probably gave Luffy food so he could save Bonney
There’s a Taking Back Sunday song that comes to mind. I believe it’s called “there’s no I in team”. ” Best friends mean I pull the trigger, Best friends mean you get what you deserve.” 😢😢😢😢 I feel like Kizaru had to kill Vega Punk due to the fact that he brought him in . Vega Punk seemed like Kizaru’s responsibility so he would have wavered in his form of Justice if he shrunk from the task. Resulting in weaker Haki in the future. It’s sad it happened that way but, causality can’t be escaped.
vegapunk is somehow not physically dead as lilith mentioned, which means kizaru may get another chance to see his best friend again. we know vegapunk is not shy to guilt trap his friends, so we will eventually see kizaru helping us
@@bigwooh4367 i think lilith has some kind of connection to the brain of vegapunk at punk records.. maybe punk records sent some message to her of its own accord and that all the dead vegapunk are stored in the brain in data form
Kizaru strikes to me like someone that doesn’t fully believe in the marine justice but then what’s the next best thing? In the world of onepiece marines are necessary as much as we want to believe otherwise and most soldiers compromise and just do their job , kizaru compromised maybe a long time ago and decided to carry out orders and that’s it, now that compromise came to bite him back in the ass and when vegapunk said he was a sad man kizaru did view himself as such a cog in a machine he made himself compromise with , i don’t think he will turn on the marines , he is painfully aware of the world he lives in , he knows he is a piece of shit and will just continue living that way to maintain a semblance of *justice*
Indeed, even the Revolutionary Army recognizes that fact. As they say, their enemy isn't necessarily the Marines themselves, but the Celestial Dragons who control them.
Facts. Kizaru has matched up to the strongest fighters in the series, WB, Old Ray, G5, Shanks (in a movie) He’s the strongest admiral, but he doesn’t care that much.
I think Borsalino was a long defeated man in his past, and since that defeat (whether it be loss, being beated, his dreams crushed) he's just been cruising along life since, and his friends on Egghead were the only people to break through to him, but apathy consumed him when it mattered.
His actions are in very contrast with that of kuzan Kujan had his doubts as pointed by garp in their clash But kizaru was always dutiful Wether against 'Z' or vegapunk
You might be cooking with Kizaru potentially being taken in by an admiral/high-ranking Marine. There’s Koby and Kuzan with Garp, Rosinante/Corazon with Sengoku and Kujaku with Tsuru.
You should go back to the Ohara incident and see the parallels with Aokiji. Kizaru is a man who has two roads ahead: The path of Aokiji who left the Marines or The path of Akainu who stayed.
@14:48 I might be nitpicking but to me, Kuzan fought for the admiral position mainly because Sengoku recommended him to Kong. Maybe I'm wrong but I always felt this way
I feel like we'll get more context on Kizaru and the Marines when we learn the final secrets of this world, what they are trying to preserve or prevent.
7:30 this is the ultimate problem with kizaru IMO. He wasn’t taking his time to kill Luffy, he was actively avoiding fighting Luffy to kill vegapunk, when his motivations should have him doing the opposite.
when you think about it it seems kind of obvious that Kizaru's justice will transition from unclear justice to clear justice, given that light is so obviously linked to clarity. I wonder if Oda has been planning a reversal, or upgrade, of all three of the OG admirals sense of Justice, in line with their fruit powers. So, something like: Aokiji: Lazy --> Cold/Impartial Justice Kizaru: Unclear ---> Clear/Transparent Justice Akainu: Absolute Justice ---> Fiery/Passionate Justice
i think kizaru kinda has a strong sense of justice, in the sense that he truly believes that justice if good and should be something to follow and strive after, but he is very unclear on what justice is... thus he has dedicated himself to the marines, the supposed good guys... who should be on the side of justice...
So I think it was like way too obvious when Oda actually put him on front Street since the beginning of egghead so this is what I think especially after the panel about sakuzuki I think they’re gonna fight and pertaining to Vega punk I think that was the plan all along I think they may have talked before. Like honestly he can move at light speed so like what if he just said he had to go do something real quick or something and went and talk to him lol I think about it just like when people were speculating about the food luffy when he was fighting him and Saturn at the same time everybody thought he may have DoorDashed him 😂 but I think he was still sad that he had to actually agree to kill his friend and that may be another metaphor like in the end he still had to kill Dr. Vegapunk and I just clicked on your video and I paused it right when you asked that question lol I’m a big fan by the way but
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we find out that Vegapunk and Kizaru did talk but I also quite like the tragedy of it all if they didn’t. But I think regardless, both of them knew nothing could be done. Vegapunk knew the WG wouldn’t stop chasing him, so Kizaru would also know him trying to help would be pointless. Like I said, the tragedy of it all 😭😭 thanks for your thoughts!!
It feels like Kizaru was "half hearted justice" or "clumsy justice" I am leaning more towards "half hearted justice", because thinking back Kizaru has never truly gave it his all. His heart is never fully committed to something. He either doesn't really care (more going through the motions), and even when he does he is constantly hesitating and second guessing, but still does his job.
I think this situation personifies the banality of evil. What Kizaru did is evil , even if he is conflicted or not fully commited. Much like the officers in concentration camps who commit atrocities even if their hearts aren't really fully into it. Amazing reflection and analysis.
Like Aokiji before him, Kizaru has become aware of just how much of a tool and a simple cog in the greater World Govt machine. There is no coming back from the Egghead incident. And if Kizaru does not resign soon after this to grieve, if not totally kill Akainu for giving him orders to kill Vegapunk, I will be more surprised. More surprised than if he resigned and finally acknowledged Garp’s avoidance of admiralty was the right way to go.
Here's my searing hot take: Kizaru has ALWAYS been The Killswitch for Vegapunk, from the very start of their relationship. He always was the Chekhov's gun aimed precisely at Vegapunk's big ol' noggin, with Saturn holding the trigger. Here's a hotter take: they both knew that. Too bad that human beings' most powerful instinct is to make bonds, eh?
Kizaru is a Mercenary , it's about the berries you see how he dress. Tough suits cost alot of berries his 401K is the bottom line, so kill your best friend he don't like that, but okay. Can't remember the exact chapter he said it's about the bag but yea!!
Kizaru could’ve finished luffy off numerous times in that fight. This unfocus , mentally and emotionally broken man still gave gear 5 a run for his money while his heart wasn’t in it. He hasn’t shown us an awakening and barely followed up on luffy when he had the upper hand
Vegapunk was like "Jesus" , working for a better future for humanity and he has the capability for that ( Kizaru knew it ) A few tears of Kizaru are worth nothing Why people like Kizaru ???? ( mistery for me )
"absolving" a fictional character from their crimes is a useless discussion anyways, it's much more important that this one scene makes kizaru and the rest of the marines much more interesting
Akainu torched a ship full of women and children who were trying to escape O'Hara. He's an irredeemable piece of crap in my eyes. And it's also why I don't think he and Dragon were friends.
Oda is good at having situations where people can’t cry at death, shirahoshis mom, choppers dad, smile fruit, and now borsalino doing his job. Kizaru is sad suicidal and green bull is hipster emo suicidal lol Kizarus teacher was Z someone who was heavy on both sides of justice, yet kizaru is light on both sides of justice. Oda is saving kizarus back story for an sbs lol
I feel like Vegapunk set this up. He told himself to trust himself and die. I think he asked his friend to kill him, so he could shift himself to a trusted surrogate. I still think he will turn in the government or at least remain neutral in the final saga.
Just like Luffy, Ace, and Sabo brotherhood ... Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan brotherhood ... Dragon as well!? Just like Luffy, Ace, and Sabo brotherhood ... Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan brotherhood ... Dragon as well!?
I don't think they are that close. The term kyodai isn't just used for brothers, it can also be used for comrades or brothers in arms, which I think is closer to what they are.
Kizaru is not sarcastic. He's cynical. He no longer believes, but he has been doing this for so long, that he doesn't know what else to do.
He can be both. Plenty of cynical people are sarcastic.
Kizaru lives up to his justice.. very unsure and unclear. People have a lot of expectations from characters that is not yet to come. Cant help it
He stayed true to his character in the sense that he always carried out his duties as an admiral, granted, we hadn't seen him in action for a long time
Imo, the whole ordeal re-contextualizes his affirmations (cog in the machine) as that, self-affirmations that he will carry out the assassination of Vegapunk, and I believe it all circles back to Saturn's actions and how evil he is bringing grief to Vegapunk along with his "family," with Kizaru eventually falling victim to Saturn's sadistic tendencies
However, whether people truly want to empathize with Kizaru is up to them
After everything that has happened he isnt really unclear, unsure I can see, but I think it's better to say he has blind eye justice. He turns as much of a blind eye to almost everything in the story. Until in egghead he has to turn the blind eye to his own reality.
Interesting, though I have I have mention that for the most part Kizaru lived up to unclear justice given that most readers couldn't really grasp what his motives were rooted in
Good video, kizaru reminds me of a salaryman who lost his way and does it only for a paycheck.
Even in the movies, it is said that he relies too much on his devil fruit. I choose to interpret that as him having relatively weak haki for an admiral. He doesn't have any real willpower to drive the things he does.
that's why he has the title of unclear justice he lacks motivation
@@PipPanoma Haki is Willpower made manifest into greater strength
Someone like Kizaru who is unclear about what he wants is unable to utilize his haki to the fullest
This was all about Saturn's manipulation. He was watching Kizaru's every move, and Kizaru being an Admiral had to oblige. What Kizaru was doing was pretending to follow Saturn's orders while trying to allow an opening for him to be defeated. That way Saturn couldn't say that Kizaru didn't follow orders, or coin him a traitor. He would conclude that Kizaru lost in the process of following his duties as an Admiral.
Vegapunk on the other hand saw this too which made it harder on Kizaru, and put him between a rock and a hard place. He was getting manipulated by Vegapunk and Saturn on both sides. He had no choice but to shoot Vegapunk because of how the situation unfolded.
This is the same thing Garp went through watching Ace's execution. He was being manipulated by Sengoku who watched his every move. He also chose to get KO'd by Luffy because he didn't want to deal with being tormented by being stuck in between. Garp lashed out at Sengoku and told him to shut up, and Kizaru did the same thing to Akainu.
Light when observed behaves differently. It is a real scientific principle.
Kizaru is "uncertainty" because he is "Light"
With light the uncertainty is whether it is observed as it can be a wave or a particle(?) Depending on whether it is observed.
Thus i think we can extrapolate Kizaru while watched has different priorities as when he is alone.
I still believe that Vegapunk asked Kizaru to kill him.
I think Kizaru is human and this was hard for him, but this does NOT in anyway absolve him. He made his choice. He was willing to kill Vegapunk in the end, he was willing to kill Bonney and Kuma and it was only thanks to others that saved them. He is guilty of murder, no matter how bad he feels later. He is gray and he does put his duty ahead of other things, but simply because he doesn't want to do something or he feels bad, doesn't mean he gets a free pass for anything.
I agree, but I think the overarching point here is that we aren’t really seeing the full story yet. Until we know his history, his relationship and allegiances and loyalties as well as his motivations like we should probably reserve judgement because one piece as a story does a pretty good job at eventually breaking down in a pretty realistic way that while there is evil characters or factions that serve a greater good or greater evil, it is a lot more nuanced and complex then that and isn’t so black and white and there is different perspectives. Sure right now, from what we know, have been told, what we know about all the people opposing borsalino yes, it’s easy to draw these conclusions but that doesn’t mean in the end when we really know the full story we won’t have a completely different opinion. I mean take snape as a prime example from Harry Potter , not only was he perceived to us and everyone in the story to be a traitor to his mentor, his friends, his students, we saw first hand that even if we did have our doubts because we still didn’t know his full story yet that he was the one with his own two hands to kill dumbledore…and so the same can be true of snape, that well regardless of his feelings he was guilty of killing dumbledore but once we really knew the full story, why he did what he did like it not only completely absolved him of any guilt like he ended up basically being a legitimate hero. Doesn’t mean the same will be true with borsalino but I prefer to reserve judgement until I get the full perspective.
This is all fairness Garp literally sat there while one of his sons was killed. That also made people feel very uncomfortable.
Oh for sure!! Broke my heart 😭
All i want to add is that the admirals were inspired by yakuza actors and i think oda is trying to get us to view them as yakuza like calling each other brother and bound by hierarchy and duty
We cannot truthfully judge him until we understand why he follows Marine orders. That is an extremely important aspect of understanding his character
I mean, beyond the fact that the Marines are honestly the best for 99% of the world?
@@mrbubbles6468 Literally the first marines we see in the story are terrorizing people and are corrupt assholes up until good boi Smoker shows up. You think they are the exception when all the marines do is defend the down to the core super corrupted world government? Literally in Ohara and recently Egghead they are ready to commit genocides no questions asked
@mrbubbles6468 no they are not. There's more akainu than garp minded people in the navy. That's like saying since the strawhats are nice to ppl all Pirates are good for the world. There will be no "good" group until the world government is reformed and the story is over
Think from a poor kid's perspective thinkin' the world is a shitty place that needs order..it's pretty basic to understand. We know WG takes orphans etc for the Marine. He knows it's not perfect but better than chaos. Akainu has poor background as well.. Plus they are the Marine. They take order from WG not Marine.
@@mrbubbles646899% is pushing it lmao
The Celestial dragons mass murder, enslaving and graping people. The marines then look the other way
The thing is, is that Kizaru's personality has always been a front. As such it was until he broke down and cried, that we finally saw a bit of the real Kizaru.
There's also one specific quote Kizaru did at Egghead that is very not Kizaru-like.
When Sanji kicks his laser.
Kizaru retorts very differently than how he normally does. He actually responds very seriously and logically.
He dropped the facade, for just a bit, the shock of seeing his laser was a bit too much.
But then, he recomposes himself and successfully brings a more nonchalant quote. Very few noticed it.
But it is clear the real Kizaru is a logic based person.
As such emotions and logic can cause a conflict.
So the best way to deal with it, is by trying to not take the situation seriously.
But Egghead was too much for that facade. Kizaru knew it though. But Akainu nagging at him, was just the breaking point.
I do believe Kizaru is no longer going to be the same after Egghead.
He will try to act nonchalantly, but it is likely that the events on Egghead have left a scar that will make it very hard for him to use his facade as easily as before.
I always loved Kizaru’s reaction to Sanji because I think the fact he broke his composure signified Sanji’s growth more than his physical feat itself!
To me, Kizaru is someone who really understand they greys of the world, but also more of the darks of it, he isnt complacient with the orders because he believes its the right thing to do, but believes its the least evil
It is my belief that Kizaru has info equal to or close to the Fleet Admiral, so his position is similar to Sengoku, but had decided to act on what he believes is the least evil possibility
I think there's something sweet about a Brain-man being best friends with a walking talking Light Bulb.
I wanna believe that Kizaru was forced into the Marine path solely due to his Devil Fruit. Seeing the pictures of Oda of Kizaru as a kid, we see him reading.
Also the fact he considers Vegapunk his best friend, i believe Kizaru wanted to be a Scholar or a Scientist when he was young.
But his Devil Fruit forced him into the path of the Marines.
It is also why he actively worked with Vegapunk, he may not have achieved his dream, but at least he can work with the person he admires.
But as he climbed the ladder, he grew tired and disappointed. But at the same time he is the type of man that believes in the idea of Order and Justice.
So he decided to just go with the flow.
But as the years passed, going with the flow became most like letting the flow guide him.
Oda is basing Kizaru on the typical Japanese Salaryman, persons that to ensure they maintain their job continue doing a job they hate, doing things they dont want, working exhausting hours for little to no praise.
Kizaru is indeed just a cog in a machine, and the fact he knows it is his only solace.
To him personal Justice doesn't exist, Justice is no longer something he can grasp, is what his superiors tell him what it is.
I personally never feelt like kizaru wanted to kill vegapunk and the rest, and well now we now know that he 100% didn’t want to do it , he was tasked with doing so, and was sent there with a gorosei memeber which is actually pretty insane if you think about it, it’s pretty understandable that he wouldn’t want to do it, but he was forced to by the world government, he tried to evade it as much as possible by wasting time with luffy and just talking with vegapunk to just straight up missing opportunities that he had to accomplish his mission. I feel like he tried to keep his composure and act like normal, and that’s why he doesn’t really show what he is feeling with his body or face, but with his actions, and this would ultimately lead to Saturn noticing that he wasn’t doing as good as he normally does showing that he was mentally conflicted since the start, so at that point it becomes quite clear that he has no other option but to finish his mission, because Saturn was up to him, so it would make sense that at the end he would end up killing vegapunk.
I dont know why people have these insane expectations of Marines to defy the World Government or their own Orders. Its like asking a random Police Officer to break the law or change the law or blame them FOR the law because you dont agree with it. Its not their job to make/change laws, its their job to enforce them as currently written. They are soldiers, and its a war against pirates every day in the world of One Piece. I really dont think this is a hard concept to understand but for some reason a lot of people it just completely goes over their heads. Anyone who says "well they could always quit their job" is really blind to the obvious ideals of them being a Marine in the fucking first place. They have a sense of justice, they have ideals they want to protect for everyone, they see a greater evil that could be cast upon the world if they dont enforce these laws. Marines like Koby go into their service seeing a VERY big picture and its what drives them passionately. But much like Koby they slowly are introduced to the smaller details over time that are not so pretty as that big picture. And they have to decide "am i ok with the small horrors, if i can defeat the big horrors".
Kizaru killed his best friend because he HAS to believe that if hes received these orders that its important to the worlds safety. And that if it were anyone else he would eliminate them within a blink of an eye. He cant play favorites with criminals even if they are friends and family. However, he was shaken to his core through out the entire process and afterwards broke down in tears because even if hes protecting justice and the safety of the world.... he has to kill a part of himself to do it. Thats what Justice truly is.
I mean, the power to enact state violence and the willingness to use that against the populace is a personal choice. Can a cop change law? No. But they can choose to take on personal risk by not enforcing immoral or unjust laws in the moment.
They can't change the system any more than any of us. But they aren't powerless because unlike us they have that authority from state violence.
The inspirational effect of one or a few standing against and failing. Is an effect. And robbing that system of one more willing participant is also an effect. Throw a pebble into a lake and you ripple the entire surface.
@@HerculesOfHate yeah agreed with the entire point here.
Just because the wg does something evil and is ruled by monsters , vegapunk still chose to do what wasnt allowed to so he knowingly broke the law. Kizaru is like a police officer. Even if u know its ur best friend u have to abide by the law. Yes. The law is bad but the law maintains order. U cant just break order and put the world in chaos and say "i did good justice ". No. U didnt do anything..
Kizaru has seen how the world works being the oldest among the og admirals. He has seen kuzan fight and leave the system to do what? Join the most evil pirates?
What do they expect the admiral to do?
Leave his duties , rebel against the wg alone , get hunted down by the other admirals and just tarnish the name of the wg? Garp couldve rebelled and given ace a saving chance. But he couldnt. The order must be upheld until we can remove the problem at the root. And even if he did rebel.. To accomplish what? They had the gorosei incoming so we can safely assume vegapunk was gonna die anyway.
Kizaru saving vegapunk or rebelling the wg would not serve any purpose.
A person who has served the wg for his entire life just going against the entire goverment for a best friend wont suit his character as an admiral at all
@@radaro.9682 The point i think you are missing is that a Soldier refusing to fight on the battle field will never impact or change a thing(other than killing themselves and others potentially). Law isnt changed on the battlefield its changed in courts and in government. The marines at the end of the day cant just stop working and boycot the law. If they did that the pirates would completely take over in the time that the Government even took notice.
Soldiers fight and follow orders. If you arent capable of that then you were never meant to be a soldier. Police are only a good example of real world politics being pushed on people just doing their job. The Marines are more of a hybrid of Police and Soldiers, leaning more heavily on soldiers as they are trained to kill and follow orders without hesitation.
@@HerculesOfHate it won't impact much, no. But you're ignoring that one soldier choosing to stop fighting is the same impact the other side has when the kill someone. If that's not impactful what use is it throwing soldiers at each other. No mater the outcome it didn't have an impact.
Discounting the act of the one or the few is how refusing collective action is justified and excused.
Either it's 0+0+0...... or it's not. Can't be both.
@@radaro.9682 Theres always impact, but its not just positive or negative and its not always intended. A soldier not following orders can be the sole reason an infiltration or mission fails. If it fails it doesnt always mean theres no losses on either side. An entire squadron of people can go ass up if a single soldier hesitates or fucks up at a crutial moment.
The truth is that you shouldnt be a soldier PERIOD if thats going to be an issue with you. Thats the dark truth of being a soldier. Politics and the rule of law can not be argued in the battlefield.
Best example is that Koby tried to stand up in that moment to protest at Marineford. He said what he wanted and made a momentary protest..... only to almost be executed by his own people for delaying the assault. It took a powerful 3rd party to save his life. Guess what, in real life a powerful 3rd party is not going to save your life on the battlefield. You just die and people around you often will as well.
Oda is trying to show in that moment that yes Authority needs to be questioned and held accountable. But its a dramatization of those things. Court is the REAL place these things happen and resolve, doing it on the battlefield is a death sentence.
I think you missed a bit of the point, the tragedy of Kizaru is that both he and Vegapunk serve as instrumental agents of systems of oppression. Vegapunk literally dies for his sins and Kizaru has to be the boot to do so, however unwilling he may be. But the irony is that this ends up playing into the themes of will inherited. Vegapunk needed to die to send the message and do something meaningful to absolve himself for allowing his greed to run rampant. Kizaru as much as he hated what he was doing, ended up doing what Vegapunk wanted, tragically cementing his role as a tool of abusive government and now he has to bear the weight of his sin.
Idk why people keep forgetting Oda’s criticisms of abusive governments. The man’s got a poster of Che on his wall, the Admirals and the Marines in general are not the good guys, and wont be until the heads that dictate the means of violence are removed and replaced by Koby.
I think nothing changes as long as that black demon called IMU and his/her lackeys are still there.
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could imagine"
Vegapunk Kenobi
Sunken cost fallacy and suffocating inner conflict. The world can cause a kindhearted man to become jaded and bitter, hiding behind sarcasm and humor. Kizaru just went through his own personal Ohara incident. I have a feeling he might join the revolutionary army by the end of the story.
Maybe he still understands that despite what he is asked to fo the Marines still help 99% of people.
If you think about it’s he’s kinda like the CIA. He’s more so connected to the “shadow” government than anyone else beside Sengoku. He was basically running an op with Vegapunk and got too close. Maybe his form of Justice is a Justice that can resemble criminal activity.
People disappointed in Kizaru power levels fail to realize the Strawhats are some of the strongest people in the verse now. Luffy is a legit Yonko now, and Zoro and Sanji will be Admiral level by the end of the manga. Remember that will have a huge part to play in powers levels too, and Kizaru didn't seem to have much will to do what he was doing, but was just following orders. I think he was protrayed very well considering the type of character he is. Also he isn't the focus in this story or arc, so he performed his role very well.
And that also weakens Kizaru
He's conflicted. He's wavering.
Haki is Willpower made manifest. If your will wavers, so does your haki.
The fact this video got recommended and I forgot to subscribe long ago means it MUST be a great video. I now hit the button and the bell
Gracias ☺️
human beings are complex,thats why im looking forward to learning more about kizaru👍
i think many has missed that kizaru looks like in the verge of crying, if not already crying or tearing up, way back in chapter 1111 on the last page, saying "he is deeply wounded" or "his wound is deep" indicating his heart's is broken not literal wound
he's clearly conflicted with his action, and when akainu tries to call him out, there's no surprise that kizaru would snapped.
I think we need to start by assuming that Vegapunk had planned for Kizaru to kill him, and that it was important for him to do so.
He is always following orders and should be extremely predictable for someone like Vegapunk, his effort is heavily related to his internal conflict, despite always following orders. Ans we might still reach the point where he still breaks away from the marines.
I just feel like confusion and conflict is how we are supposed to take Kizaru’s actions. And something is telling me Kizaru knew Vega Punk wanted to die for his plan. Because who else did Vega Punk think would be able to kill him?
This is who kizaru actually is if anyone wants to know:
It's not about the content of the plan but about execution of plans which will outshine plans not being realized.
It's what most people do and what happens to a population that is powerless.
Kizaru has great power to fight and defeat anyone (as in potential) but not to rule the world which is why he supports the dominant faction no matter who it is
He is following orders because he believes in obedience to authoroty or power despite one's own believes. Kinda like kaido but in an accepted subordinate position.
If whatever authority has power to realize a plan its better than no plan or chaos.
This is how he is in contrast to both kuzan and akainu
Kizaru is a straight line from power
Like a light ray from the sun
Akainu is overwhelming righteous power like the sun or molten core of earth at the center of things
Kuzan is conservative power in consideration for an effective position to use power
Like ice expanding under the earth to break a road from underneath
Kizaru is so simple that people can't understand a person like that
Kizaru didn’t even get a scratch on his suit.
Yeah I think he put in the bare minimum amount of effort to complete his objective (kill vegapunk) and that was it
Considering in as SBS we saw a studious Borsalino perhaps he entered the Navy on a scholarship in the Navy's tactics division and owes a debt to the Navy furthering his education.
Sakazuki and Borsalino being referred to as brothers did not shock me because of the cover for the chapter titled Cheer where we see Borsalino being supportive to Sakazuki whilst tending to his bonzai tree.
It seems like kizaru was intentionally missing and delaying hits looking for ways to fail until Saturn was really watching like kill him now or you know the consequences so he did and as soon as he had it immediately devastated him and after that he’s just not the same person. The new kisaru was willing to feed luffy
what if the admirals like Kizaru, Aokiji, and Akainu parallel Luffy, Ace, and Sabo also while Dragon is to Akainu like Coby is to Luffy.
Oh that's a nice take... I never considered Dragon as a part of og admiral crew
I really like how Oda developed him. Realistically if you are a killer who identity is connected to following orders faithfully but then are asked to kill your friend… you have a mode you can tap into and force yourself to do it… but he was not dying on the inside and after the dead was done his human side came pouring out. In fact he probably gave Luffy food so he could save Bonney
I couldn’t delve in to the “who fed Luffy” discussion because the video was already getting too long but love your analysis!
There’s a Taking Back Sunday song that comes to mind. I believe it’s called “there’s no I in team”.
” Best friends mean I pull the trigger, Best friends mean you get what you deserve.” 😢😢😢😢
I feel like Kizaru had to kill Vega Punk due to the fact that he brought him in . Vega Punk seemed like Kizaru’s responsibility so he would have wavered in his form of Justice if he shrunk from the task. Resulting in weaker Haki in the future. It’s sad it happened that way but, causality can’t be escaped.
Made me tear up all over again
vegapunk is somehow not physically dead as lilith mentioned, which means kizaru may get another chance to see his best friend again. we know vegapunk is not shy to guilt trap his friends, so we will eventually see kizaru helping us
The Vegapunk we saw wasn’t even alive in the traditional sense to begin with. We don’t even know if the body that died was his actual body.
@@bigwooh4367 i think lilith has some kind of connection to the brain of vegapunk at punk records.. maybe punk records sent some message to her of its own accord and that all the dead vegapunk are stored in the brain in data form
Kizaru strikes to me like someone that doesn’t fully believe in the marine justice but then what’s the next best thing? In the world of onepiece marines are necessary as much as we want to believe otherwise and most soldiers compromise and just do their job , kizaru compromised maybe a long time ago and decided to carry out orders and that’s it, now that compromise came to bite him back in the ass and when vegapunk said he was a sad man kizaru did view himself as such a cog in a machine he made himself compromise with , i don’t think he will turn on the marines , he is painfully aware of the world he lives in , he knows he is a piece of shit and will just continue living that way to maintain a semblance of *justice*
Indeed, even the Revolutionary Army recognizes that fact. As they say, their enemy isn't necessarily the Marines themselves, but the Celestial Dragons who control them.
Kizaru a piece of shit? Lol no. Vegapunk made weapons of mass destruction just to save his ass.
I think Kizaru being one of the few characters in the verse capable of fighting Gear 5 to a stalemate is a feat in itself.
Facts. Kizaru has matched up to the strongest fighters in the series, WB, Old Ray, G5, Shanks (in a movie)
He’s the strongest admiral, but he doesn’t care that much.
I think Borsalino was a long defeated man in his past, and since that defeat (whether it be loss, being beated, his dreams crushed) he's just been cruising along life since, and his friends on Egghead were the only people to break through to him, but apathy consumed him when it mattered.
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@JoyGirlYT if you've seen that drawing of him as a child it makes sense, OP characters don't break like that from nothing.
I hope we see Lilith meet Kizaru after everything
Kizaru is so unclear that even his feelings are unclear.So him staying makes perfect sense he dies not have any WILL.
His actions are in very contrast with that of kuzan
Kujan had his doubts as pointed by garp in their clash
But kizaru was always dutiful
Wether against 'Z' or vegapunk
Oh my god you been putting in work with one piece theories. 🔥
Are you saying your understanding of kizaru was Unclear?
You might be cooking with Kizaru potentially being taken in by an admiral/high-ranking Marine.
There’s Koby and Kuzan with Garp, Rosinante/Corazon with Sengoku and Kujaku with Tsuru.
What if Vegapunk himself told Kizaru to kill him.
You should go back to the Ohara incident and see the parallels with Aokiji.
Kizaru is a man who has two roads ahead: The path of Aokiji who left the Marines or The path of Akainu who stayed.
@14:48 I might be nitpicking but to me, Kuzan fought for the admiral position mainly because Sengoku recommended him to Kong. Maybe I'm wrong but I always felt this way
@24:08 headcanon is fine, i'd even say great as long as it is disclaimed at any moment. I like headcanon theories personally
Kizaru played a Judas role
Will Sentamaru join cross guild?!??
That hito hito no mi df have no business to be that hard on the table 😂
I feel like a better way to describe his Justice is, “Uncertain Justice”
Luffy vs Elbaf's giants ... Is that foreshadowing? 🤔
maybe the reason Borsalino is so loyal to navy he comes from a long line of respected Naval officers
I feel like kizaru might retire and if one day fujitora resigns im wondering whos new admiral to come bcuz koby will be one soon
I feel like we'll get more context on Kizaru and the Marines when we learn the final secrets of this world, what they are trying to preserve or prevent.
Definitely looking forward to more context for all the top dogs of the marines!
Unclear justice ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm just like kizaru his manarizm in irl but i hate him 😂😂
7:30 this is the ultimate problem with kizaru IMO. He wasn’t taking his time to kill Luffy, he was actively avoiding fighting Luffy to kill vegapunk, when his motivations should have him doing the opposite.
Now we knew Vegapunk knew his fate. I wonder if somehow at some point Vegapunk gave him the ok to kill him.
No. Akainu killed the marine because that is insubordination. Insubordination is punishable by death in times of war.
Anyone keeping up with gear 5 is a powerhouse
when you think about it it seems kind of obvious that Kizaru's justice will transition from unclear justice to clear justice, given that light is so obviously linked to clarity. I wonder if Oda has been planning a reversal, or upgrade, of all three of the OG admirals sense of Justice, in line with their fruit powers. So, something like:
Aokiji: Lazy --> Cold/Impartial Justice
Kizaru: Unclear ---> Clear/Transparent Justice
Akainu: Absolute Justice ---> Fiery/Passionate Justice
Actually, Aokiji did change his justice from fiery to lazy, so I'd expect something similar happening to other admirals
I wonder if kizaru and helmepo will fight at the end. They would have an interesting conversation.
sakazuki was def close to dragon. he never even calls luffy by his name. its "dragon's son"
i think kizaru kinda has a strong sense of justice, in the sense that he truly believes that justice if good and should be something to follow and strive after, but he is very unclear on what justice is...
thus he has dedicated himself to the marines, the supposed good guys... who should be on the side of justice...
Interesting take!
Law is changed or made on the battlefield
Good video 😊
The Light will join the Sun
dragon and sakazuki are like butcher and homelander 😂
So I think it was like way too obvious when Oda actually put him on front Street since the beginning of egghead so this is what I think especially after the panel about sakuzuki I think they’re gonna fight and pertaining to Vega punk I think that was the plan all along I think they may have talked before. Like honestly he can move at light speed so like what if he just said he had to go do something real quick or something and went and talk to him lol I think about it just like when people were speculating about the food luffy when he was fighting him and Saturn at the same time everybody thought he may have DoorDashed him 😂 but I think he was still sad that he had to actually agree to kill his friend and that may be another metaphor like in the end he still had to kill Dr. Vegapunk and I just clicked on your video and I paused it right when you asked that question lol I’m a big fan by the way but
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we find out that Vegapunk and Kizaru did talk but I also quite like the tragedy of it all if they didn’t. But I think regardless, both of them knew nothing could be done. Vegapunk knew the WG wouldn’t stop chasing him, so Kizaru would also know him trying to help would be pointless. Like I said, the tragedy of it all 😭😭 thanks for your thoughts!!
Also good morning everyone! Hi Joygirl! Carpe Diem everybody!
It feels like Kizaru was "half hearted justice" or "clumsy justice" I am leaning more towards "half hearted justice", because thinking back Kizaru has never truly gave it his all. His heart is never fully committed to something. He either doesn't really care (more going through the motions), and even when he does he is constantly hesitating and second guessing, but still does his job.
Do people hate complex characters nowadays?
I think this situation personifies the banality of evil.
What Kizaru did is evil , even if he is conflicted or not fully commited.
Much like the officers in concentration camps who commit atrocities even if their hearts aren't really fully into it.
Amazing reflection and analysis.
Like Aokiji before him, Kizaru has become aware of just how much of a tool and a simple cog in the greater World Govt machine. There is no coming back from the Egghead incident. And if Kizaru does not resign soon after this to grieve, if not totally kill Akainu for giving him orders to kill Vegapunk, I will be more surprised. More surprised than if he resigned and finally acknowledged Garp’s avoidance of admiralty was the right way to go.
Resigning makes a lot more sense than him trying to kill Sakazuki for giving orders. Also, those orders came from the elders
@@superkamiguru2576 I meant "kill Akainu" by chewing him/punching him out for his "scorched Earth" approach to doing the World Govt's dirty work.
Here's my searing hot take: Kizaru has ALWAYS been The Killswitch for Vegapunk, from the very start of their relationship. He always was the Chekhov's gun aimed precisely at Vegapunk's big ol' noggin, with Saturn holding the trigger. Here's a hotter take: they both knew that. Too bad that human beings' most powerful instinct is to make bonds, eh?
What happened to the blue banana pod
Kizaru best admiral top 5 characters for me
Being a marine is not worth it you see your beloved grandson die cant even get revenge upon the killer, and the whole 5 elders stars dudes
Kizaru is a Mercenary , it's about the berries you see how he dress. Tough suits cost alot of berries his 401K is the bottom line, so kill your best friend he don't like that, but okay. Can't remember the exact chapter he said it's about the bag but yea!!
I haven't watched this channel in a minute, I was wondering where this voice was familiar from 😂
Glad you’re back!
Hey when is the blue banana podcast coming back 😢
Kizaru gave luffy the food
Kizaru could’ve finished luffy off numerous times in that fight. This unfocus , mentally and emotionally broken man still gave gear 5 a run for his money while his heart wasn’t in it. He hasn’t shown us an awakening and barely followed up on luffy when he had the upper hand
Vegapunk was like "Jesus" , working for a better future for humanity and he has the capability for that ( Kizaru knew it )
A few tears of Kizaru are worth nothing
Why people like Kizaru ???? ( mistery for me )
Kizaru needed to undergo depression... As consequence for his actions.
I think that’s kinda what’s happening. It may get the point that the Marines turn on the Government in order to protect the people.
wait is this why kizaru is luffys uncle in "Bro watch one piece, it's peak" video. is that video canon?
I don’t know what video you’re talking about but I’m intrigued 😂
"absolving" a fictional character from their crimes is a useless discussion anyways, it's much more important that this one scene makes kizaru and the rest of the marines much more interesting
True point! Is redeemable too similar? Maybe more understandable?
Honestly it wasn't hard to understand Kizaru unless you had an agenda stopping you from doing so.
The Admirals are weak. They’re nothing compared to the Gorosei, and Yonko. Why do you think they still fight? They have no choice.
Akainu torched a ship full of women and children who were trying to escape O'Hara. He's an irredeemable piece of crap in my eyes. And it's also why I don't think he and Dragon were friends.
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Big K better switch sides when it finally comes down to the big finale. He too likeable to remain a bad guy for the end.
Oda is good at having situations where people can’t cry at death, shirahoshis mom, choppers dad, smile fruit, and now borsalino doing his job.
Kizaru is sad suicidal and green bull is hipster emo suicidal lol
Kizarus teacher was Z someone who was heavy on both sides of justice, yet kizaru is light on both sides of justice.
Oda is saving kizarus back story for an sbs lol
That man has had enough of the bs
Kizaru too slow to see this comin😂
I feel like Vegapunk set this up. He told himself to trust himself and die. I think he asked his friend to kill him, so he could shift himself to a trusted surrogate.
I still think he will turn in the government or at least remain neutral in the final saga.
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Just like Luffy, Ace, and Sabo brotherhood ... Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan brotherhood ... Dragon as well!? Just like Luffy, Ace, and Sabo brotherhood ... Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan brotherhood ... Dragon as well!?
I don't think they are that close. The term kyodai isn't just used for brothers, it can also be used for comrades or brothers in arms, which I think is closer to what they are.