Florida Delivered The Goods And Cars! - The Carmudgeon Show Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 136
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2024
- The boys are back from The Amelia, and now you get the recap on all that was amazing.
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The Amelia is one of the most prestigious Concours in America, but it's evolving more quickly than most - there was a whole 1990s JDM supercar section!
And the same weekend, a Radwood, a Cars & Caffeine, a Porsche show, and The Hangar.
Loads of great cars, even for Carmudgeons who aren't aged! 
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I’m sick and have just been binging old Carmudgeon episodes. Clicked on this thinking it was an old episode I just couldn’t remember but was pleasantly surprised looking at the “12 minutes ago”.
A red/tan Ferrari F355 Spider 6 speed with 20k ish miles sold in the 70s!
9:04 Jason having a very well thought out and well spoken point about designing cars for people... Only for him to fall silent and both of them to laugh as he says van-gina is honestly the best distillation of why i love this show.
@23 mins, we, your audience, do not feel like an apology is needed. We knew what situation you were in, and you both performed admirably considering.
I put my kids in the back of a 911 and Audi TT and they had to continue to contort themselves into it until they were mid teens.
They eventually complained I got an Audi A4 😆
When my mom was dating the man who became "Dad" to me and my younger brother, I remember going to the drive in in Mountain View California in his '72 Triumph Spitfire convertible and us boys were sitting on the speaker boxes behind the seats. We barely fit!
I did think it odd that you guys interviewed Chrysler/Stellantis folks. I mean it was nice enough, but not your usual gig. Felt more like you were co-opted for a press event rather than a genuine interview though. Definitely felt the awkwardness. Also didn't change my mind about the quality of Chrysler products, so if that was their goal, they did not succeed.
A sunday episode? You guys are spoiling us
27:11 NO MORE COMMENTS?!?!?! I came here to get excited about the R3X with Camissa!!!
I could hear the corporate out-of-touch BS within 30 seconds of the Chrysler folks coming on stage. Straight up tuned out, but I'm giddy to hear you two tearing their commentary apart post-Amelia.
Alright alright alright. Making my Sunday guys.
I thought I had missed work today. Thank you for a Sunday show!
Sunday just got a lot better!
wrong day guys ? I am not complaining
Thank you for showing a few seconds of cars this time.
Saw an E39 B10 V8 Touring street parked in Amsterdam last month in a similar spec. Blew my mind.
It was great saying hi after your podcast. Sorry if I was holding you up, I didn’t realize how jet lagged y’all were.
Greetings from Montreal you guys have an excellent show
Happy to see a fellow Montrealer listen to the podcast
The Vangynah commentary sends me everytime. This was next level.. 😂👏🏻🤦🏼♂️
When is the podcast network going to have more than 1 podcast?
Sam Smith of shitbox BMW racing and formerly Road & Track has a great one on the HPN called Driven to Fail.
@19:55
I am almost certain that would be Max Gumpel, Swedish waterpolo olympian. A book and movie with William Holden "A Counterfeit Traitor" was made after him and his spy colleague.
It is!
2:23 that was a good one, DTS. I see the progress!
22:05 The RUF CTR having 356 headlights instead of the 911 ones is normal. They did that, along with the removal of the rain gutters.
seems the beeing doing it since 87 but at least in the original car no chrome
RUF was more like Alpina at BMW in the 80's. Look at a BTR, CTR or other early RUF cars up close and they were more based in Hotrod from the 70's or earlier. Shaving the gutters was a leadsled thing. Look at what everyone else was doing in the 80's in Germany, BB, Koenig, Gemballa, DP cars were all making your old 911 look like the new flatnose, 928, a Kremer race car or a Testarossa. This rather plain dated look even at the time was something your Dad would buy and reflects the staff at RUF. Look at the interior of an early RUF and it's no graphic equalisers or 928 seats. They even wrapped the roll cage in the old 911 white dotted fabric around cage so it blends into the a pillars instead of mounting the cage proud like a race car. This separation of styles is still present with Swiss, Austrians, Germans etc, huge money on getting interior upgraded in leathers and engine tuned. But debadged and outside looks like a base model.
A nice Sunday surprise!
You guys are going to Greenwich! I'll be there!
Unexpected Sunday episode. Made my day!
No apologies needed for last week. It was great. I'm enjoying a Sunday surprise episode! My crappy rainy New York Sunday afternoon, just got a dose of sunshine. Thanks guys!
Man i love this podcast😩
Ahhhh
My weekly Jason fix.
Speaking of Stellantis the outgoing Lancia Ypsilon was explicitly marketed to women and last year sold 40k units in Italy alone (while the whole Alfa Romeo brand sold 27k domestically)
I think it's explicitly marketed to cheap Italian drivers period, rather than women. COL in Italy is sky high and it is relatively rare to see any luxury car, Italian or otherwise. Maybe Ypsilon buyers skew towards women, but it's more about how affordable the car is IMO.
it definitely it was marketed to woman:all the special edition with clothing brands, but also was the cheapest way the get a econobox ( i.e. Panda ) with decent interior
Jason answered his own argument, 68% of car buyers are women, the same percentage in the US of home ownership is that. His analogy of them failing was and I use this in a past tense as the example he used was in the 50's mad men era. I would turn it around the other way, which car that is aimed at only male drivers in 2024 is growing in market share? Even Harley Davidson has run out of old white men.
nice hoodie jason 🔵⚪️
Suprise Muddgeon! Nice....
I was hoping they would mention the Bugatti V16.
Engineering Explained recently did a great analysis video on the V16
Interesting to see the drama behind the Auctions of Amelia Island and Miami. I only knew about ModaMiami because I follow Curated and they helped put it together and host it. Very interesting to learn that thos was basically an out of spite event
Griot's Garage has little yellow tire guards that keep the hose from getting stuck! Wonderful items!!!
if you don't want to spend money on a product, a tennis ball works decently too!
@whyhellothere3601 great idea! I think I paid like 15 bucks on these guards about 25 years ago so at least they're well made!
I thought Jason did well in finding common ground with the Chrysler folks re: reducing overwhelming design. This episode talked about it like it was mega cringe and it was just okay. Everyone doing what they were supposed to do, playing nice, good job team.
Its so funny getting a sunday episode nowadays, when we'd have nothing for months and months in the past. God I can't get enough of this show, PUMP IT INTO MY VEINS.
No mention of the “6 litre” naturally aspirated Aston V12’s? Their origins may be somewhat pedestrian compared to the high-flying exotics, but I think they sound great.
The tesfiniti model qs gets me every time 😂
My favorite kind of nerdiness
ONE time went to one of those brutal beater-brush car washes, haven't been so infuriated in following 15yrs.
(was ignorant, only hand or no-touch washing normally, just a nice E46 330, felt like mirrors would come off and sandpapered paint a given, feel better about dirt road rallying it)
Thanks for poking fun at that Chrysler CEO, it was full of marketing BS
What is this an early episode? Also I love Mazdas I would get a Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 pretty much most of their cars are above average. I am glad that the CX-5 i as popular as it is so they can keep making more MX5s. Also thanks to you two I now daily an MX 5 and love it. Also Derek's enthusiasm for Mercedes definitely has rubbed off on me and I find myself wanting an 190E 2.6 as a second car.
what is the thing in the black box that says "vintage leather seats"
Derrick's favorite Ferrari F355 Spider, red/tan, 20k miles 6 speed sold for an incredibly cheap mid 70s at auction! That would be money well parked. Hardtops 6 speeds are being sold for twice that.
Plot twist: Jake behind the camera is actually Jake from State Farm.
RM results were sketchy to me. The Challenge Stradale that "sold" was bought later that week by my friend directly from the dealer. The F40 that sold was previously sold by RM in August 2023 for the same price. And watching the video, there were only 2 bids - the first was $3M. 😐
Have you guys ever spoken about Lada?
That explains MODA Miami. It seemed on the surface to be all about super/hypercars. Did not really have any interest in paying $150 to go see them at the Biltmore.
People are against washing cars to save water but the second you propose to just rip up the lawn and build a go cart track or burnout pad, that never requires watering, they just get upset
Well, yes, because that could hurt the property's value. And that means the neighborhoods value.
@@TwoDollarGararge this is America, not the Soviet Union
@@Iamthestig42069 Yeah, that's not how suburbia works. If you don't mow your grass, the neighbors complain. Because then that makes the neighborhood look bad. Which hurts the individual property values, which then becomes an issue of the town?
@Iamthestig42069 I have a neighbor down the street that owns an RX7 And no surprise occasionally needs work That usually involves. It sitting outside on Jack stands for at least 1 to 3 weeks. And he has had the neighbors complained about him and had the cops. Tell him to move the ugly broken thing Sitting in front of his driveway, Hurting the image and reputation of the street.
@@TwoDollarGararge you now your grass to keep rodents away and for the fire danger. Doing something you don't wanna do for the "better of the community" is grade A commie bs. HOAs are just for loney, rudderless, boomers who can only achieve a serotonin release by being on a power trip
Lol I knew Derek was thinking “what the hell did he just say” when that guy said some dumb shit about women drivers
I don’t have much classic car market knowledge. But in terms of new and used cars for the general public the market is at pre Covid levels. At least in the north east where my dealer is. We never charged above MSRP and that gave us so much business in the past few years because we were one of the few that didn’t put mark ups on cars. But now the market has changed, people are no longer happy to pay just MSRP, we are discounting new cars and the market is clearly falling.
I wash three vehicles weekly. Can't imagine neighbors having an opinion or caring what they think.
Regarding V12 that sounds great, I’m not sure I agree with Jason entirely. 599 GTO certainly makes sense but Aventador sounds very unique while not good in my opinion. It has nothing on Murcielago SV. Richard Hammond’s Top Gear segment on SV will forever be etched in my brain because of the sound.
from the top gear episode it's seems a lot a exhaust sound, i hope it's not like the aventador where only you can 't hear its glory
Are you guys sure the show/lot was full of Mercedes? Because thats probably what you wanted to see... I could probably walk through the same show and not see a single one because I wouldn't give a shit about them LOL
Derek is an alien. The stuff he knows off the top of his head and it’s often something I’ve never even heard of. 🤯
Wealthy Florida loves Mercedes, perhaps more than any other state
Florida and Mercedes go together, like F150s and Wisconsin
As a southern Floridian my R129 500sl is the perfect enthusiast car for the environment
You are evil prophets! Ever since you started calling out how bad Subaru drivers are (in CA), they have now gotten terrible in TX.
Maybe it’s the Cali invasion, but jeez, rarely a day goes by that I don’t have to deal with a shit Subaru driver!
All water is recycled...😂
Jokes about going to med school, 2 sentences later, “I can’t exist under 6 hr of sleep,” definitely 💯 should not go to med school
What are you guys waiting for, before you attend Retromobile in Paris??
Ew, Paris. Gross.
The Amelia show was do much better before Hagerty took it over, but the overcrowding was already eroding the pleasure of going.
If I ever get a chance to see you guys live at one of the car shows, and Derek doesn't clap I'll need a refund. Derek Clapton tickets are quite expensive. 😂❤
people are finally figuring out that Enzo was wrong about the E-type, It's ugly.
Ya just sat won't stop raining & recycled car wash water in the same sentence. Ah, CA....
We appreciate the apology. We still love you and we forgive you. Singed: The Audience
God I hate 300SDs. Enjoy your minute to sixty
Agreed that BMW m70 doesn't sound great. Unremarkable engine.
Put a water meter on your hose. 15 bucks, Amazon. If you use a pressure washer, you can wash and rinse in less than 10 gallons, which is equivalent to 4 minutes in the shower. If anyone breaks my balls, I just point to my meter and say “see for yourself. If you’d like I can come over and time your showers and we can see who’s wasteful”.
People look at you funny for washing your car? Boy how the turns tabled
mercedes is big in Florida because its a car for retirees and Florida IS the land of retirees
Try again.
The podcast was ok until the guests started spewing PR/marketing nonsense, I tuned out at that point.
Gotta say you guys sound like 2 jaded old queens saying cars are not designed or marketed towards women.
Mustang was designed for women.
Mehhhhhhh aventador sounds nowhere near as good as a murcie SV
“Design a car for women and it fails.”
Ford Mustang has entered the chat.
Maybe design isn’t accurate…marketed a car for women would be more accurate.
Well the I6 ones were marketed towards women I believe, as were most non V8 pony/muscle cars of the era
The Miami event with RM Sothebys was made with John Temerian over at Curated @CuratedTVbyJohnTemerian He could be fun guest because he deals in very high value collector cars.
Biggest disappointment was after lauding the comfort and able to move in the chairs, was not having Hyphen clap, fully expected it to be a planned lead in to it
The also sell little rollers that you can chock the wheel with that allow the hose to freely track around the wheels