The weird thing is that CGC ran that big sale in October and then laid off a large portion of employees. Logic would suggest that they should have kept those employees to handle the flood of incoming comics.
My initial reaction to the long turn around times at CGC was that CGC will always disappoint us. They transition from scandal to long turnarounds to price increases. I also remember measuring how long it took to get books back in SEASONS instead of months - submit in summer and get them back in the spring of the next year. However, much like you said Bry, longer turnaround times will probably mean a larger price premium for graded books for those of us that invest, submit and are patient! 💰
Bry has recommended you. I'd like to get a small stack of books cleaned and pressed and graded. I've never done it and these books are not big grails or anything. They're for my PC. I don't even know how to start the process. If you clean and press books do you then send them on to CGC?
I don’t see the price premium hitting for some time. There is a massive supply of graded books out there. Every show and site has the standard spec or it books. I don’t mind the wait but the quality control is just so bad I would rather wait for PSA or try another company. They run their business poorly. Numerous unforced errors and not an ounce of contrition.
I can vouch for the turn-around time as I sent in five siler age Avenger books which I believe CGC received August 23rd. It is November 18th and I have heard nothing. As you said, it is what it is.
People keep neglecting to mention their recent grading sale. They offered for the almost entire month of October a pretty decent discount on grading fees “10/10 Day”. Plus we just had New York comic con so tons of submissions were done there too and then you add on employee layoffs and, boom. Substantially increased turnaround. My previous submission from a few months ago came back to me within less than four weeks.
Yep. Price hikes are coming soon, and then there will be a whole new cycle of fan outrage here on RUclips, even though it's completely predictable.... Great, insightful video, Bry!
The CCS pressing fast track is hilarious. You go from 22 days to 19 days for moderns, and 26 days to 24 days for vintage. Not that you ever go with CCS.
@@samuelcatoe1927 Yes for in-house signing I would use CCS. Sent off a ASM 300 that I pressed twice but I paid the extra $20 for a CCS pressing, think they press after the book is signed. Got the grade I expected, a 9.4.
BRO! I am so stoked right now; just pulled the switch on one of your "Big Boy" books (look mommy, I'm a big boy now)! 😂 Can't wait to hold that beautiful book in my hands, Thank you again for having such Fair Prices! You're the best! The CGC return thing doesn't affect me as much because I just want to buy books where people already went through all the trouble of doing that work. I am not good at "Wait times", Anything over a week would stress this old guy the heck out! 😆 Loved the video though; I really enjoy learning about all this "New stuff" that we never even dreamed of back in the 70's. I for sure will keep commenting until you turn comments off; gotta love the chance at free Spidey Slabs! LOL PS - can you explain what the "you received points" email that buyers get please.
You’re 100% right on the values going up. Not to mention maybe a longer turnaround time means they have more time to actually take their time grading books? I hope so
The QC department at CGC needs more people. I had 125 slabs come back and 50 needed to be submitted for ME because of contaminates encased with the books.
Just out of curiosity I gave CGC a call today as the new 81 day wait period was revealed on my books 47 day at their facility. I wanted to know if the new turn around would be compounded. Of course I knew it wouldn't, but I wanted to get a sense of how backed up they are. The customer service agent was amazing as always and we had a nice chat. Would you believe there are some 40,000 books in the arrears!? Welp they are and IMO to no fault of their own (well maybe a little). CGC has an unsurmountable task that manifests by being bombarded by greedy vendors dumping pallet after pallet of BS books in an attempt to get a 9.8/9.9. True there is the collector that submits a 50 book for slabbing but a fool and his money are...... With respect to the PV they are not the cause of CGCs 40+ thousand woes. Wonder who then, I wonder who....? So how does CGC solve this debacle. Easy. RAISE PRICES SUBSTANTIALLY!!! I could go on and on but that last tid but should keep you dastardly vendors busy. Or not. Whatever.
@@LG-kw6fn the only books I’ve seen massive dumps are what are considered modern. Hulk 181 and similar titles Wolverine. CGC ran discount specials and took on too much work. Nobody is finding massive stashes of 1960’s and older for a 9.8. Most of that stuff already went through during the boom of ‘22.
@@LG-kw6fn CGC has different teams that grade vintage books. They’ve been slowing down vintage for some time which is why it was odd for them offer a massive discount. Poor management and corporate overlords.
This is correct. Right now, it does seem to be taking longer to get books back. Right now, I have a modern book sitting for about a month. No worries on that. But I have a magazine that has been sitting with them (CCS to be exact) since August. I'm still hoping for the best on turn around. These to submissions are for other people who I submitted for. Been keeping them updates as the process go along.
I really like the idea of value going back up on some books. But I really don’t like the idea of it taking forever to get books back from CGC.Great video man. Keep killing it!!!
I wouldn't unless you want your books damaged or bent books in the inner Wells. And if they damage your books doesn't matter. They won't replace them or give you fair market value for those books that they damaged.
Anything good, is worth waiting for. Hopefully the employees won't feel like they are more rushed than normal and end up grading lower to be on the safe side.
I have a submission of vintage that was received 8/12/24. It’s gonna take as long as it’s gonna take. The part that kills me though is that I’ve lost out on some really nice trades because of the delay. That’s how it is though. There will always be another book that comes around.
I've never sent books into CGC or any other service. I have a small stack of books that I would like to have graded for my PC. But I want to have a professional clean and press them first and I don't even know where to start so ..........
I keep thinking that as soon as I submit a book they will come out with new slabs so i don't send anything in but they never come out with a new slab design. It is like I'm stuck in a Microsoft excel circular reference error.
Good video and good information! I think too many books are getting graded these days anyway. There needs to be a correction, there’s going to be a ton of useless, unwanted slabs lying around in a few years.
Thanks Bry - interesting video but agree with the insight on more times is more submissions so more market….maybe. We will see. Thanks for the information
The only books ive been sending out lately have been for signature series. Starting to think its time for a good old fashioned blue label 25 book submission
I have a good stack of books I want to submit for grading. This just makes me want to wait for PSA to start their comic grading services. Especially if a price increase will be in the future.
Yea times have definitely got longer. I submitted in person at Baltimore comic con in early September. My books didn’t even get logged til mid October and they came like a week ago. Where as my last submission had like a 3 week turnover no fast track. Still have a JSC signature series “scheduled to be graded” for like 2 months.
all of the JSA books being sent in now contributed. However, I don't want to wait 6 months to get my books back ever again. Its so super frustrating so I'm just not submitting anymore right now. I'll prob hold back and give JSA a shot (but I'm sure they'll be crushed too.)
I think if I submit soon I’m just going to go for a modern 9.8 prescreen for my more valuable PC books that way whatever I get back slabbed it’s in the grade I want.
CGC grew too quickly thinking the comic book would never end. Now, with interesting in the hobby waning, plus all the scandals (banana-gate, beholder-gate, etc) there have got to be far fewer submissions and, a need to cut costs. All those folks who are comic enthusiasts who moved to Sarasota to work the grading floor are out of jobs. Say what one will about CGC but I feel for those graders who got to live the dream for a little while and are now back to working the check out stand at Walmart.
I gotta disagree with Bry raising the fees won't increase the value of the item. Consumers usually have no idea how much the fees are. PSA fees have gone up to $25 and their slabs haven't seen a bump in value, lot of time they sell for $5 even in a PSA 10.
With all the problems with CGC I lost trust in this company and have sent nothing to BlackStone Grading aka CGC. I went to a much smaller company called EGS. I know, I know, there’s no resale market for EGS but I trust this company and I’m strictly a collector and never sell my comics.
Worse with sports cards. You open a pack win a redemption card for a autograph and the player is lazy and never signs them and some wait years just to get a offered a replacement of a different player.
If grading a book cost about $25 you would then have to also include about $15 for cleaning and pressing and another $20 for shipping, how is that worth the grading fee if the book is only worth $50?
Been Collecting snice the late 80's In I still haven't sent any Comics to CGC. I have alot of Early AMS that I would love to send to CGC. I'm afraid if I do I might sell them. I don't want to sell none of my Spider-Man. But everything else I don't care about at all....
It's about more money for them. Im not a reseller. Why would I spend an extra 15 just to get them 1 or 2 weeks faster. Now 3 to 4 months faster, that might change my mind.
I'm boycotting cgc. Seven moderns. I got back in early September - All had the bends - All graded at 9.8. Three books had dimpled spine on the cover from the bend. Two out of those three books had color breaking spine tick where the spine dimple was. All graded at 9.8. They ruined two out of seven books for sure. I cannot sell those books at a 9.8 with that color breaking spine tick on the cover. And I took detailed pictures of the books before and they did not have a spine tick otherwise I would not have sent them in. And CGC won't do a darn thing about it. They won't replace the books that they damage with the same book at the same grade nor will they give me the fair market value for the book graded at a 9.8. It's a bad look for CGC.
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Great hints. These summer children don't remember the days when we submitted books and left the incoming slabs in our wills.
The weird thing is that CGC ran that big sale in October and then laid off a large portion of employees. Logic would suggest that they should have kept those employees to handle the flood of incoming comics.
My initial reaction to the long turn around times at CGC was that CGC will always disappoint us. They transition from scandal to long turnarounds to price increases. I also remember measuring how long it took to get books back in SEASONS instead of months - submit in summer and get them back in the spring of the next year. However, much like you said Bry, longer turnaround times will probably mean a larger price premium for graded books for those of us that invest, submit and are patient! 💰
If I send books to CGC by Monday, I want them by the following Monday 😂😂😂 hi Ron
Bry has recommended you. I'd like to get a small stack of books cleaned and pressed and graded. I've never done it and these books are not big grails or anything. They're for my PC. I don't even know how to start the process. If you clean and press books do you then send them on to CGC?
I don’t see the price premium hitting for some time. There is a massive supply of graded books out there. Every show and site has the standard spec or it books. I don’t mind the wait but the quality control is just so bad I would rather wait for PSA or try another company. They run their business poorly. Numerous unforced errors and not an ounce of contrition.
I just submitted a bunch of books 2 weeks ago. Your video has lessened my annoyance at the turn-around time. Thank you!
Good info the community. Thanks Bry! Keep them coming.
I've noticed it's mainly the VINTAGE that take a while now. I saw moderns still take 1-2 months (maybe 3 at worst)
That's great. i have some sonics and urotsukidoji I'm gonna send in
I can vouch for the turn-around time as I sent in five siler age Avenger books which I believe CGC received August 23rd. It is November 18th and I have heard nothing. As you said, it is what it is.
I think you're right. Prices are going to go up. Great video. Thx Bry
The last thing CGC can afford is to raise prices. If you ask me they are circling the drain already 😅😅😅.
Bry I thank you for all the advice, you are a legend in the game imo
I appreciate that!
People keep neglecting to mention their recent grading sale. They offered for the almost entire month of October a pretty decent discount on grading fees “10/10 Day”. Plus we just had New York comic con so tons of submissions were done there too and then you add on employee layoffs and, boom. Substantially increased turnaround. My previous submission from a few months ago came back to me within less than four weeks.
Truth
Not only the October 10/10 sale but also that vintage sale ($30/book, min 15 books) back in the summer; you know, about 81 days ago. 😁
Been slowing down all year. October sale was the clincher. PSA has a October discount as well. Lots of stuff being graded.
Yep. Price hikes are coming soon, and then there will be a whole new cycle of fan outrage here on RUclips, even though it's completely predictable....
Great, insightful video, Bry!
The CCS pressing fast track is hilarious. You go from 22 days to 19 days for moderns, and 26 days to 24 days for vintage. Not that you ever go with CCS.
Only with one of their signings, right?
That’s ridiculous lol
@@samuelcatoe1927 Yes for in-house signing I would use CCS. Sent off a ASM 300 that I pressed twice but I paid the extra $20 for a CCS pressing, think they press after the book is signed. Got the grade I expected, a 9.4.
BRO! I am so stoked right now; just pulled the switch on one of your "Big Boy" books (look mommy, I'm a big boy now)! 😂 Can't wait to hold that beautiful book in my hands, Thank you again for having such Fair Prices! You're the best!
The CGC return thing doesn't affect me as much because I just want to buy books where people already went through all the trouble of doing that work. I am not good at "Wait times", Anything over a week would stress this old guy the heck out! 😆
Loved the video though; I really enjoy learning about all this "New stuff" that we never even dreamed of back in the 70's. I for sure will keep commenting until you turn comments off; gotta love the chance at free Spidey Slabs! LOL
PS - can you explain what the "you received points" email that buyers get please.
Congrats on that one she’s a beauty! If you log in by clicking the rewards icon you can redeem points for a discount, 3% back I believe it is
@@BrysComics Cool! TY again! May buy some more later tonight. Depends on if my auction bids win or not LOL
Always appreciate the content here man! Always learn something here! Keep up the good work!
Great insights, thanks Bry.
Awesome video Bry, keep up the good work buddy.
You’re 100% right on the values going up. Not to mention maybe a longer turnaround time means they have more time to actually take their time grading books? I hope so
The QC department at CGC needs more people. I had 125 slabs come back and 50 needed to be submitted for ME because of contaminates encased with the books.
Thanks for your efforts Bry. Good information. Keep grinding bro!✌️
CGC’s 10/10 promotion increased the number of books submitted. I sent 10 orders of 25 and saved $1,000 from the promotion.
It's one scandal after another after another at CGC and people are sick of it.
Just out of curiosity I gave CGC a call today as the new 81 day wait period was revealed on my books 47 day at their facility. I wanted to know if the new turn around would be compounded. Of course I knew it wouldn't, but I wanted to get a sense of how backed up they are. The customer service agent was amazing as always and we had a nice chat.
Would you believe there are some 40,000 books in the arrears!? Welp they are and IMO to no fault of their own (well maybe a little).
CGC has an unsurmountable task that manifests by being bombarded by greedy vendors dumping pallet after pallet of BS books in an attempt to get a 9.8/9.9. True there is the collector that submits a 50 book for slabbing but a fool and his money are...... With respect to the PV they are not the cause of CGCs 40+ thousand woes. Wonder who then, I wonder who....?
So how does CGC solve this debacle. Easy. RAISE PRICES SUBSTANTIALLY!!! I could go on and on but that last tid but should keep you dastardly vendors busy. Or not. Whatever.
I don’t see greedy vendors dumping massive amounts of vintage books.
....said the blind man.
@@LG-kw6fn the only books I’ve seen massive dumps are what are considered modern. Hulk 181 and similar titles Wolverine. CGC ran discount specials and took on too much work. Nobody is finding massive stashes of 1960’s and older for a 9.8. Most of that stuff already went through during the boom of ‘22.
Pallets and Pallets... I just assumed it would be understood that the involvement was Modern era. Should have taken Benny Hills advice. Beam me up.
@@LG-kw6fn CGC has different teams that grade vintage books. They’ve been slowing down vintage for some time which is why it was odd for them offer a massive discount. Poor management and corporate overlords.
This is correct. Right now, it does seem to be taking longer to get books back. Right now, I have a modern book sitting for about a month. No worries on that. But I have a magazine that has been sitting with them (CCS to be exact) since August. I'm still hoping for the best on turn around. These to submissions are for other people who I submitted for. Been keeping them updates as the process go along.
I recently submitted at NYCC*24 and there already scheduled for grading, but let’s see how long they sit there for hopefully not too much longer lol.
Thanks for all the helpful tips
Thx for this video. I am one of those people who like the slab but hate that the comics can’t go inside the books.
Fairly new to collecting. I still haven't gotten anything graded. Thanks for your tips and info
thanks for sharing Bry.
Another great video with awesome information 🔥👍🏽
I really like the idea of value going back up on some books. But I really don’t like the idea of it taking forever to get books back from CGC.Great video man. Keep killing it!!!
Great info. The hate for grading companies baffles me. If you don’t like graded books, just don’t use them.
I've been waiting 7 years to submit. There comes a time when you just need to go for it!
I wouldn't unless you want your books damaged or bent books in the inner Wells.
And if they damage your books doesn't matter. They won't replace them or give you fair market value for those books that they damaged.
@Rhett-Christopher it's ok, I wasn't planning on it..I'm all talk and no action when it comes to grading
Thanks for the great insight into grading
I took advantage of the 10/10 sale along with my tier discount
Anything good, is worth waiting for. Hopefully the employees won't feel like they are more rushed than normal and end up grading lower to be on the safe side.
another helpful video thanks bry!!!!
I have a submission of vintage that was received 8/12/24. It’s gonna take as long as it’s gonna take. The part that kills me though is that I’ve lost out on some really nice trades because of the delay. That’s how it is though. There will always be another book that comes around.
I've never sent books into CGC or any other service. I have a small stack of books that I would like to have graded for my PC. But I want to have a professional clean and press them first and I don't even know where to start so ..........
Ron from palm beach pressing in this comment section is great
I keep thinking that as soon as I submit a book they will come out with new slabs so i don't send anything in but they never come out with a new slab design. It is like I'm stuck in a Microsoft excel circular reference error.
Just sent off a submission, will see how long it takes real-time. Will update you when I get em back👍
Yup...my vintage is taking FOREVER
I haven't submitted any books in a couple years. I'm considering submitting more soon.
I’ve had my four vintage books gone since June. Still no communication and when I’ll get those back.
Due to prices, wait times and their issues…why I will never submit my books. If I want one slabbed I’ll just buy it.
I have a New Mutants 98 newsstand and I have been contemplating getting it graded.
Good video and good information! I think too many books are getting graded these days anyway. There needs to be a correction, there’s going to be a ton of useless, unwanted slabs lying around in a few years.
Thanks Bry - interesting video but agree with the insight on more times is more submissions so more market….maybe. We will see. Thanks for the information
Bry is always helpful
Great tips, killing it bro
I have not graded in awhile as i've been on a kick to buy some keys for the "big" auction im doing in my store. Dont wanna dip into the ol' p.c. yet
The only books ive been sending out lately have been for signature series. Starting to think its time for a good old fashioned blue label 25 book submission
I'm sending a few in to get graded for my personal collection so I don't mind the wait so much.
How about other resources that grade books?
Good video I haven't sent any books to be graded but I definitely purchased graded books maybe one day I'll send some of my PC books
I have a good stack of books I want to submit for grading. This just makes me want to wait for PSA to start their comic grading services. Especially if a price increase will be in the future.
Yea times have definitely got longer. I submitted in person at Baltimore comic con in early September. My books didn’t even get logged til mid October and they came like a week ago. Where as my last submission had like a 3 week turnover no fast track. Still have a JSC signature series “scheduled to be graded” for like 2 months.
all of the JSA books being sent in now contributed. However, I don't want to wait 6 months to get my books back ever again. Its so super frustrating so I'm just not submitting anymore right now. I'll prob hold back and give JSA a shot (but I'm sure they'll be crushed too.)
I think if I submit soon I’m just going to go for a modern 9.8 prescreen for my more valuable PC books that way whatever I get back slabbed it’s in the grade I want.
I got 5 waiting to send off now for my personal collection. Wait time doesn’t really bother me
Great video Bry!
CGC grew too quickly thinking the comic book would never end. Now, with interesting in the hobby waning, plus all the scandals (banana-gate, beholder-gate, etc) there have got to be far fewer submissions and, a need to cut costs. All those folks who are comic enthusiasts who moved to Sarasota to work the grading floor are out of jobs. Say what one will about CGC but I feel for those graders who got to live the dream for a little while and are now back to working the check out stand at Walmart.
Always Love your videos
Just sent some for the first time, hope it doesn’t take too long😂
Great info!
I collect raw books, but see the value in grading certain books.
I gotta disagree with Bry raising the fees won't increase the value of the item. Consumers usually have no idea how much the fees are. PSA fees have gone up to $25 and their slabs haven't seen a bump in value, lot of time they sell for $5 even in a PSA 10.
Agreed. On all levels
I’m so glad that I don’t submit comics anymore.
Yeah some of the hype movie books are definitely worth paying $100 for a quick flip
Interesting. Wonder if the buyers market means more people submit?
Thanks for the info.
very helpful info.
The whole process makes me nervous, lol
I sent in 6 books about 2 months ago, still waiting for 3 of them 😖
I’ve had that same issue and had more than a few come back messed up . I quit messing with them as a company
@rabbitquesada5837 One of my signed, absolutely pristine books came back a 9.2 and the graders notes didn't even match 🤬
Thx!
I see what your saying about fewer people sending
I'm still not convinced CGC is worth it anymore.
I'm still waiting on 2 of my books
I sent in 50 books before COVID. Finally received them. They damaged a couple books sadly. 😅
You sent in 50 books back in 2020 and just received them?
@richardolney2546 yes lol
Back to covid wait times. Ouch.
With all the problems with CGC I lost trust in this company and have sent nothing to BlackStone Grading aka CGC. I went to a much smaller company called EGS. I know, I know, there’s no resale market for EGS but I trust this company and I’m strictly a collector and never sell my comics.
CGC can get rough at times too
Just gotta submit and forget about it lol
Signatures are taking forever now days but I blame the signers and not CGC. Been waiting 6 months for my Jeremy Renner signing.
Worse with sports cards. You open a pack win a redemption card for a autograph and the player is lazy and never signs them and some wait years just to get a offered a replacement of a different player.
If grading a book cost about $25 you would then have to also include about $15 for cleaning and pressing and another $20 for shipping, how is that worth the grading fee if the book is only worth $50?
I'll still submit, even with the turn around times, is what it is 🤷♂️
Yes
Been Collecting snice the late 80's In I still haven't sent any Comics to CGC. I have alot of Early AMS that I would love to send to CGC. I'm afraid if I do I might sell them. I don't want to sell none of my Spider-Man. But everything else I don't care about at all....
Great advice
I believe the slab demand decreased, which only certain books will demand for slabbed and value in price.
Not everything needs to be slabbed.
It's about more money for them. Im not a reseller. Why would I spend an extra 15 just to get them 1 or 2 weeks faster. Now 3 to 4 months faster, that might change my mind.
Good stuff. Maybe one day I’ll actually submit to CGC. 😂
It's kind of addicting
where's my books CGC?
I’ve got submissions stuff ready for after GalaxyCon Columbus. Please don’t increase prices until after that!!
Great video
Seems to me CGC is playing us all.
This take makes me trust you less - to be honest.
I'm boycotting cgc.
Seven moderns. I got back in early September - All had the bends - All graded at 9.8.
Three books had dimpled spine on the cover from the bend.
Two out of those three books had color breaking spine tick where the spine dimple was.
All graded at 9.8.
They ruined two out of seven books for sure.
I cannot sell those books at a 9.8 with that color breaking spine tick on the cover.
And I took detailed pictures of the books before and they did not have a spine tick otherwise I would not have sent them in.
And CGC won't do a darn thing about it.
They won't replace the books that they damage with the same book at the same grade nor will they give me the fair market value for the book graded at a 9.8.
It's a bad look for CGC.
I have had the same problem, you are not alone!
It’s crazy how they can just deny that…
@@BrysComics why don't you talk about it on your channel?
Not a fan of grading any more