One of the first gun I tried to progress was the M1 Garand. You have to try really hard with that gun in every gun fight, if you're inaccurate it becomes a 3 shot kill and if the enemy shoots you first with an automatic, it's flinch city for the rest of that engagement. If you ask me, it makes no sense for the marksman rifles to have so much flinch, when the automatics are able to be just as good at range as them. You can decrease the recoil of guns like the STG to the point of it being a laser and it seems to out dps the M1 as well. They should probably rebalance it.
Sorry- mistake, obviously I am replying to hyperfeul: ok big brother i don’t think that reply was necessary. I truly wasn’t being mean, I’m just saying: proficiencies are kinda self-explanatory and ace delves a lot into them on several videos. There are words on the screen that tell you what they do and there is no data to explain- it has no statistical effect. I think the intended question is “should i use vital”. Yes. Use vital on the 3 guns its available lol.
@@bju83 to be honest, a comprehensive video about proficiencies would just get more views and make more money, as well as being useful to players. It's a prime target.
Hey Ace, I haven't played COD in a long time. But I remember your analysis and break down vids were top notch. Glad to see things haven't changed. Keep up the hard work!
I feel like dauntless would be a top tier perk if it countered the flinch increasing proficiency which isn't common but really annoying to play against. Countering just movement reducing penalties like suppression isn't enough for me to sacrifice something better like ghost.
This is a pretty great idea. I still don’t think it would be top tier, but it would be significantly more competitive compared to the other tier 1 perks.
@@astadagouki8160 All it really does is counter frangible and piercing vision. Everything else the content creators basically have to inform us what its vague description means
I agree with your point of randomness that flinch causes which lowers the skill gap, but with sniper rifles if someone is hard scoping a lane, and you quickly get 3 bullets into them, there absolutely should be flinch that throws them off target. In Cold War I’ve seen it a million times where I get a few quick bullets in and they still one shot kill me. Not just a handful of times but 85% of the time. Flinch is good in this specific scenario
Can't really blame the guys using snipers in this game for hardscoping and holding lanes. The ADS speed is literally twice as slow as the ttk in this game. It's painful trying to quickscope when you could technically be killed twice before you even have your gun up.
The flinch just honestly makes automatic weapons even more powerful than they already are. I'm not a great player and using any slower weapon becomes a pain when the flinch throws off your aim completely.
@@heroscapeguy15 hardcore sucks, it's full of people sitting in corners, or people hardscoping one angle with an lmg, and 90% of the time they go negative when I go positive
@@matthewloscar2893 That's just cause they're bad bro, hence why the camp, i remember befriending a 60yo back in black ops 3 on 360 who exclusively HC cause he couldn't keep up with the reaction times of kids, so he camped and all, but the dude was max prestige and actually pretty good on HC, most of the time top one on the scoreboard. It gave me a different perspective to the gamemode, it may suck but sometimes it's the only way certain type of people can do good and have fun.
@@kristofferjohansen2780 flinch may be fine with the flinch attatchments on, but they all slow your ads time, with a fast ads build being shot by an stg with incend rounds will have you starring at the ceiling in no time
@@hern2063 and that is exactly how it should be, snipers should flinch or they would be too good, if they buff the ads a little the snipers are more than good enough
Sniper rifles need some sort of buff in terms of flinch resistance or ADS. Most guns in the game have a far quicker TTK than sniper rifles have of even ADSing. You don't need to have the insane sniper rifles as Cold War did, but in their current state in Vanguard they are very underwhelming to use, and downright frustrating when you can be insta-burst across map from a no-recoil STG before you can even aim your weapon.
you can die twice before you can even ads fully, the fire rate is super slow, and the flinch on the default sniper scope seems absolutely terrible and way too overkill
@@pluto3194 yeah working on diamond marksman rifles now, got the svt gold first and when you unlock the damage increasing barrel to make it like a sniper, it was pretty fun to use honestly. Even using the first ammo you get that decreases damage I think but helps with fire rate, recoil/accuracy was really fun. While using the sniper barrel and that ammo, it felt like I didn't lose any sort of damage whatsoever and you could basically spam a sniper rifle. Working on the m1 garand right now and it's kinda painful compared to the svt lol
@@SooHighFashion I switched off the lower damage mags onto the 15rnd mags and liked it a whole lot more. It was very strong before, and was an absolute headshot magnet but the upper torso one hits (w/o vital) do wonders for it's consistency. The lower rate of fire matters less because you're gonna be killing more often anyway, and it's fire rate isn't horrible without it, it still beats every sniper by a ton. Very fun gun to use, definitely top 3 if not my favourite gun in the game.
You need to use the barrel that reduces flinch to reduce it a lot. On the G-43 I’ve used the flinch reducing grip & barrel since I got them and it’s way better.
I just wanted to say you are hands down the most informative cod creator there is. Hard facts and evidence and all opinions are prefaced. Keep up the great work man, glad to see you enjoying playing cod again.
it’s really not fair how badly snipers are being treated as they aim so slow shoot so slow and have so much flinch. i can literally aim and kill with a stg before somebody with a kar can sprintout aim and fire their weapon. kind of ridiculous
Flinch on snipers is ridiculous. Hate it that snipers are at a disadvantage at long range to smgs and assault rifles. I would like to see them implement a flinch mechanic that you can only deal flinch to a sniper within a certain distance. Would like to see a good sniper buff aim down sight speed. The fast time to kill in Vanguard makes it not fun to snipe.
The only way I've leveled up my sniper rifles was from zombies. I'll occasionally pick up a sniper rifle from a dead teammate on Red Star or Oasis, but otherwise tap firing an automatic weapon or just using a scoped marksman rifle is this game's "sniping" experience.
@@Real_Beaky and I’d have to respectfully disagree with your statement. The average ADS for a sniper is between 500-550ms. You can easily get an SMG to ADS at around 200ms with a 200ms TTK. So an SMG has time to kill you almost twice, before you can even ADS if you also include trying to aim with the sniper while flinching. So the only option is to scope in at a distance, but with the scope glint, if a player sees that, they can still kill you just as easily because the flinch doesn’t allow you to aim properly, and most guns have little to no recoil, so they can “pepper” you and beat you every time. The guns are not balanced at all.
I would rather have flinch removed entirely. I've seen some arguments that removing flinch would make the game campier because you won't be able to flinch the camper off target. Well, that's not the case. Removing flinch will make it easier to remove campers from their headglitches.
As a person who enjoys snipers, I think they are fine because you can kill the other person before they kill you in 1-shot if you play smart. If flinch did not exist then when another player lands their 1st bullet on you... they lose despite landing their shot first. The fact the ttk is fast enough to where you can't just use the sniper as a crutch means it is fair the same way standing far away from shotguns is fair. No weapon should be good in every single situation and put almost complete control in 1 person's hands. So having huge flinch helps reward those people who need 2 or 5 shots to kill for landing their shot before you fire. When you failed using a sniper.
Good video, next can you talk about ads on snipers, personally I think the flinch on them would be balanced if I could add fast enough to contest any weapons ttk in the game
This is so true. Snipers are way too slow to also get insane amount of flinch. Almost every reg gun in the game can kill you 3 times over before you even get your scope in and if you happen to be faster you just flinch off target just before you can take your shot. Snipers need a buff
I find one of my biggest annoyances of this game is how many guns have terrible magazines/clips. There’s a hand full where you lose a portion of your aim down site view and it really sucks donkey balls.
No flinch only works with ridiculously slow weapons. Snipers and marksman rifles are way too slow in this game for the amount of flinch there is. You can barely react with them.
I personally like this flinch mechanic. It makes the flinch reducing attachments/proficiencies not crucial anymore and keeps the others more or less competitive as a choice. I personally think MR's flinch should be toned down a little (maybe closer to pistols) but it's not the biggest deal, I just think they're underpowered compared to most other guns, though maybe I just haven't found the one yet.
Have had the most luck with the gewer and svt. Gewer needs a trigger finger though and even then you've got like 20 bullets. Still fun but not terribly competitive
They're all very strong really. The M1 2 shots consistently, it just needs recoil control attachments. The SVT is heavy but has huge one shot potential. The G43 can two shot and has high rate of fire (it needs ammo box though). I think the assault rifles being good at literally everything holds them back though. Maybe if they were less effective at long range the marksmen rifles would shine more.
Ace, you are truly one of a kind. Thank you for giving Drift0r your testing data. I missed seeing his COD videos over the past couple of years. Between his health problems and his videos drifting in other directions I've given most of his videos a pass. With Cold War it was you, Favstar, and Elgomtaf that saw me through the multi-player (Detested Warzone because of the cheaters). So thank you, watching his vid on the type 100 but paused it to say I wasn't wrong crowning you the king of COD.
The flinch in this game is crazy, but let's be honest with how fast you die, if you get hit first you are losing that fight with or without flinch 99% of the time in Vanguard.
I've noticed some serious visual flinch using a riot shield on your back when you're getting shot from the front too, unless that's the suppression mechanic kicking in
yeah in a video a while back he showed how flinch resistance actually lowered the amount your point of aim flinches but in this video he said they dont affect it?
Agree with what you say but a game without flinch for snipers at least is a horrible idea. Just look on cold war, snipers were a huge pain the ass in that game.
@@fifteen8850 and snipers are clearly too weak in Vanguard, nobody uses them and for good reason. MW had fast ADS times with decent flinch to keep snipers balanced, CW had almost no flinch but slow snipers, so they were balanced, Vanguard has the highest flinch we've seen with slow ADS times making them useless if you are not camping. 'BuT yOu ArE nOt SuPpOseD tO rUn ArRoUnD WiTh A sNiPeR'. It's CoD, everyone is hopping like a bunny and sliding around while carrying heavy weapons and having perfect aim while in the air, realism doesn't play a role, quickscoping has always been a part of CoD and people will always be annoyed by it no matter what. You can kill mr 2-3 times with an AR/SMG before I can zoom in with a sniper, if I hit that shot, I deserved the kill.
This explains why I cant possibly reduce my actual flinch on marksman rifles, I get hit once by anything and I'm shooting the ceiling. Its also disturbing how aiming for the middle of the chest will get you accidental headshots more often than not which may be an issue in Warzone (I remember dying to accidental headshots in BO3 a lot) and I wish hardened was still a perk.
Would you please do an all ammo types guide/breakdown? I know you've done one on incendiary and now hollow point but I want to see how Lenghtened and FMJ stack up.
First of all, I think the flinch is just fine where it is in Vanguard. Second, I'll say that I REALLY miss the life bar from Black Ops 4. When I had a baffling death in that game, I could actually go through the effort and grab the footage, slow it down, and literally see how many times I was shot and where, and calculate the damage.
I think it’s funny. Every one wants snipers to be slow and huge flinch. And they use “ it’s a one shot “. Yet a 2 shot ar/smg is faster ads, 1/3 the flinch. And way more forgiving. Yet again skill is punished.
Hey ace this was very informative thank you so much and by the way can your next gun guide be either the PPSH-41 or the Volkssturmgewehr please and thank you
As a sniper, flinch is absolutely ridiculous. With a fully kitted Kar98 (for ads speed), you will be shooting at the mood by the slightest bit of damage. This sounds like it would give some room for counter play with the snipers, but it just compounds the balancing issue. Quickscoping is off the table because many guns kill you 2-3x over before you get the scope to your face. Holding sightlines is off the table, because you are way to easy to challenge. It has me wanting to just out put them down, and just run around with a stg or mp-40 like everyone else. Its much easier at the very least.
I think if someone has an attachment or perk that is supposed to add flinch, it should be a bigger effect than it is. Also, with the opposite, to resist flinch, it should reduce flinch to nearly nothing when being shot by someone with nothing added to their weapons to cause more flinching. I don’t think much else would need to change though, I just think the perks/attachments should benefit more, whether adding flinch to opponents or reducing flinch from opponents. Just my 2¢
What I hate most in Call of Duty is when you are shooting someone, and they're shooting you, and you causing them to flinch results in them hitting you with a headshot.
I like the flinch in this game and I hope it carries over to Warzone Pacific. I hope they add the effect to snipers especially. It’s ridiculous that you can be basically unloading into a player with a sniper and they’re just like, oh no, I’m getting shot at. I better stand here, figure out where I’m getting shot from, ads, and return fire because there’s no flinch.
Hey there ACE. Great job 👍🏽. I would love to see the breakdown of diffrent attachments that lower ur RELOAD time. Is sleight of hand the best or the other one that activates when ur injured.
Have you guys actually tried using a marksman rifle? The flinch is ridiculous in actual play. It doesn’t seem that bad but you lose so many gun fights because of it. Yes, there are attachments that “help” the flinch issue, but only using one attachment isn’t cutting it. In some circumstances, using two attachments won’t be enough to cut the flinch to win a gun fight. So now, at the very least, you have to use two attachments, that you could use for much better ones, just to reduce the flinch enough that it doesn’t kick you completely off target. Really go into the game put on everything single attachments that reduces flinch on the Marksman rifle and it still kicks more than a AR. It really is ridiculous. Great video Ace, not bashing you at all, it’s just the flinch on the marksman rifles really is kind of dumb.
Yeah i was boutta say. Sure the numbers and data say one thing but that doesn’t really speak for how sniper rifles and marksman rifles actually feel. The flinch feels very strong and someone landing 1 or 2 shots on me at range shouldn’t automatically win the gunfight because now my cursor is aiming at the sky. Flinch and ADS make sniper and marksman rifles very unenjoyable to use currently.
If you used a scope on the sniper, then you would see just how busted flinching is. You should also bump the health up and shoot at the target more than once. This will be a more thorough test for every weapon. Shooting in bursts would be preferable.
If they were to improve DMR flinch. They should have it be in line with pistols. If they have too little flinch. My fear is they would likely become a better choice than a sniper at long range.
They already are a better choice at long range, so are some ARs especially if they get the first shot off. The flinch definitely balances them out especially if you're holding a lane with a sniper, but DMRs especially the SVT, I feel are way more consistent in multiplayer.
On Vanguard it seems that the total XP till next operator level-up in the upper right part of the screen while in the OPERATOR tab is 2,000 points off from when you go to the operator next level up page. I also think this is incorrect with the gun XP because in the after game weapon level up screen, it will, for instance, say the gun is at level 40, but when you go to the loadout screen, the gun is still at level 39 with about a 2,000 point discrepancy. Any thoughts?
They need to reduce flinch for the snipers a bit. The snipers were the most infuriating weapon class to get diamond because I'm shooting the sky if I get hit with a single bullet.
Is anybody else getting major Packet Loss and High Latency games now? I never had this issue before, it only started when they reinserted the Events of the Pacific. I’ve tried turning off the High Textures but still no luck. This makes the game unplayable :(
my only problem with flinch is with the svt-40 1 shot attachements which should have alot of flinch so people have a chance of fighting back but in other scenarios i can see flinch as a problem overall. snipers need flinch or they just dominate the game(mw 2019) comes to mind.
In my opinion, it would be more fair if movement also plays a role in flinch. The less movement, the less flinch. That way players can somewhat control their flinch.
Hi Ace, thank you for another great breakdown! I am a sniper since many years and I would consider myself ok. Would it be possible for you to do a video comparing sniping amongst COD since 2019? It feels to me that sniping in this game is nearly impossible due to flinch, ADS and time to kill. I love to quickscope but in Vanguard I can get barely get my gun up before I am dead. Even if I have a 50 ping. Hope this would be possible, thanks and keep it up 👍🏻
Giving sniper/marksman rifles flinch (and the option to make the enemy flinch even more) seems to be the wrong move. It makes them more effective if the person misses a good "sniper" shot, and lets weapons that are MEANT to have a weakness at close range/poor aim a HUGE benefit.
its so nice to hear u saying that this flinch on snipers is fair w this slow ads and w reg guns like mp40 killing with literally 2 shots... in not saying snipers dont need flintch, but they have slow ads, slow bolt speed and a lot of flintch
The flinch on snipers is the same as in mw, difference is the kar is a sniper in this game where as in mw it was a marksman riffle, marksman riffles that one shot were way to op in mw so I think its now balanced, if you get the first shot you win if you are slow and get shot you will likely lose
I don't think the ADS time is in a good state at all for sniper rifles and they should be buffed across the board. I just like having some counterplay to snipers via flinch.
I know sniper balance is always a hot topic in CoD, but in my opinion the flinch on snipers is too high in this game because of the extremely fast TTK of reg guns. If a sniper is pre-aiming a line of sight you lost anyways. He can shoot before you’re ready and you die, so flinch doesn’t matter there. Quickscoping doesn’t matter too cus it takes 550 ms to ads. He can miss half his shots and you still die before you even had a chance to ads. Flinch doesn’t matter there also. The only time it matters is when you are scoped in and need to adjust your aim. This should be about accuracy and gun skill imo. If it goes to Marksman rifle levels its fine.
I'm gonna have to play the Owen gun again tomorrow bc today I unlocked the mag with larger caliber rounds which do 50 damage so I was excited I'd be getting 2 shot kills up close. For whatever reason it doesn't seem to work. I've hit people from less that 10 meters away at least 3 times in the chest and they didn't die. The base damage ammo is a 3 shot kill ammo so it should always kill in 3 shots unless you put the smaller caliber rounds on. Also it seemed like it messed my aim way up and that there was significant flinch with that ammo type on. While leveling it up, since it has such a slow fire rate, it was easy to stay on target but with the higher caliber rounds it goes all over the place, especially when I'm getting shot. I know they increase your damage but that gun fires really slow and with every other gun I've played with in the game with higher caliber rounds didn't affect my aim up nowhere near that much and I don't remember flinch being anywhere near that bad. I'll take it off tomorrow and see the difference.
Flinch is another reason why recoil control and accuracy dominate my builds. I wish you would've tested flinch on hip fire also. Cant wait till my level up screen goes past prestige 3. ✌✌
For the free to play weekend I mostly only used the M1 garand and I even got it to max level and the M1 itself didn’t really seem to great besides being a heavy two shot king. Most of the gun fights I experienced was lost to flinch. It making it so that I had to push myself to basic sniper range and hope that nobody was using an automatic or their aim was just terrible. I do wish that there were more flinch resistant options and/or I just hope that they cut it down until then I’m probably not gonna buy the game till Christmas or until most of the bugs are gone.
Flinch is ridiculous on sniper rifles. The magnitude of it on its own isn't too much of a deal, i am also of the mindset that as they are one shot to kill weapon to the chest, they deserve more flinch else we'll have a situation like CW where if you cross the path of a sniper that's ADS you stand literally zero chance of winning. With that being said, the high magnitude of flinch, combined with relatively slow ROFs on all the snipers, combined with the slow ADS speed, combined with the fact that you can set up nearly every full auto weapon in the game to kill in 3 or less shots at insane fire rates due to the headshot multiplier and damage boosting attachments, you have a weapon category that's completely outclassed by everything. Being a one shot kill weapon does not matter when an AS44 can kill you nearly 8 times before you've even ADSd with the fastest type 99 (fastest type 99 ADS is 424ms, the AS44 with the 7.62 gorenko, recoil booster and 650mm barrel can kill in 2 headshots at 1052rpm, resulting in a 55ms ttk. That's with 3 attachments, you can make the AS44 VERY accurate with the remaining 7) Not to mention the fact that in order to get a competitive ADS speed with snipers you have to sacrifice nearly all of your OHK area as it makes them a headshot only OHK. Which, admittedly, I'd be down with... if not for the fact that literally every gun in the game can kill you more than twice before you've ADS. Or that a single shot from any weapon in the game is enough to completely throw you off target. Slow ADS is fine, MW and CW proved that snipers can cope with slow ADS. Even slow ROF snipers can thrive, so long as their damage compensates well enough. However, slow ADS snipers should NOT have massive amounts of flinch in a game with an average ttk under 200ms. The "but it one shots" argument doesn't work here, the snipers are worthless in their current state, due to those two factors alone. ADS speeds need to be bumped up at least 20% across the board, flinch needs to be reduced down to the current marksman rifle level, and flinch reducing attachments (for all weapons really) should actually reduce flinch, not just viewkick Ok I'm done now, I'd like to know people's thoughts lmao
No matter how many recoil attachments you put on the AS44, you are not consistently hitting 2 headshots at any range that matters. If you are trying to snipe, you should not be able to line up a clean headshot while being peppered with an AR/LMG/SMG. I've used the snipers in this game. I'm 100% okay with the amount of flinch they have. I'd even be okay with them turning it up. I'm tired of COD games with OP snipers.
@@Real_Beaky If you're not hitting 2 headshots consistently with the AS44, you actually need to learn to aim. Weapons in every game since bo4 have had predictive recoil, meaning recoil becomes pretty much irrelevant once you've used the weapon long enough, so long as it doesn't have too much side to side bounce. The AS44 with just the attachments I listed doesn't have this issue in the slightest, especially now after they buffed the bloom on it. 2 headshots, especially at 1052rpm, is easy. And I agree, if you're using a sniper and being peppered with an AR/SMG/LMG then you shouldn't be able to cleanly line up a shot. With that being said, they still have to be useable. If you see someone whilst you're using the fastest ADS type 99 (which has the smallest base OHK area of any sniper), you have to literally hope that a stray bullet doesn't hit you or that the person you're aiming at doesn't see you and land a single shot in the nearly half second it takes to accurately aim, and then you have to hit a small, specific area of the body else you get a hitmarker and have to wait for the rechamber, by which point you're definitely already dead. No other weapon category in this game has the same issue. No other weapon category is penalised so much for such a small advantage. Even if every sniper was as fast and consistent as the pre patch SPR from MW, they would STILL be outclassed at every range by the STG, MP40, AS44, BAR, etc etc etc, simply because of the flinch and how fast the full auto guns kill in this game. There's literally no way snipers can ever be OP in this game because most guns kill so damn quickly anyway.
I personally think the flinch when using a sniper could be reduced slightly, the snipers already feel like theyre dog shit and the amount of flinch just makes it even worse
Since Halo dropped, I haven’t even touched this mess. So much better. I’d love some Halo videos this year, even if they’re more casual, or live-commentaries
I’m really disappointed because I’ve been sacrificing ads speed or recoil control attachments for a visual “resistance” to flinch I think it should 100% reduce the actually flinch as well as visual if you’re gonna trade off something like ads speed
Notice how if you get shot first by an AR or SMG the flinch makes your gun aim at almost an instant headshot…. Seems like a disadvantage to put the first bullet in someone lol
I feel like flinch is very disorienting in this game. Maybe because of the added suppression affect that occurs in this game whenever I'm getting shot at with my screen shaking constantly it becomes very annoying to play with.
Using a sniper for quick scoping is hilarious with at the minimum 430ms on the type 99 (not the good setup which has Abt 485 iirc) the Kar and 3 line sit at 520 and 540 respectively. It's insanely hard to ever contest people in this game with flinch (since most ads attachments increase it) you almost never win vs a decent player. I really think they should increase ads time by like 50-75 Ms across the board for snipers
Same with the garbage marksman rifle flinch, except 2 of them can't 1 shot and the one that can one 1 shot can't do it consistently without the first barrel and Vital.
Using a reg gun site on the sniper is not a very good way to compare how bad it is with a regular sniper scope... you can lose fights to sub machine guns at range because of flinch and sway and ttk.
The screen shake and supression from literally anything is still way to high imo, even when turning that down to 50 % i feel like its almost impossible to see your target at times
I was leveling the Pellington in Plunder. And it is just impossible to make a kill when you are engaged. When hit, the flinch is so hard that you cannot re-engage when you get hammered with 60 STG bullets , you flinch as hard as when you would be hit by the Oden or so, but 60 times. Impssible to aim, let alone get a kill. The game is so broken in favor of Vanguard-weapons.
One of the first gun I tried to progress was the M1 Garand. You have to try really hard with that gun in every gun fight, if you're inaccurate it becomes a 3 shot kill and if the enemy shoots you first with an automatic, it's flinch city for the rest of that engagement.
If you ask me, it makes no sense for the marksman rifles to have so much flinch, when the automatics are able to be just as good at range as them. You can decrease the recoil of guns like the STG to the point of it being a laser and it seems to out dps the M1 as well.
They should probably rebalance it.
Ace, could you do a complete guide of all the weapon profiencies in the game?
He does so much lol let him get to it bruh
@@bju83 he just asked, he didn’t say he has to do it immediately lol
I’m sure he’ll get to it
Sorry- mistake, obviously I am replying to hyperfeul: ok big brother i don’t think that reply was necessary. I truly wasn’t being mean, I’m just saying: proficiencies are kinda self-explanatory and ace delves a lot into them on several videos. There are words on the screen that tell you what they do and there is no data to explain- it has no statistical effect. I think the intended question is “should i use vital”. Yes. Use vital on the 3 guns its available lol.
@@bju83 to be honest, a comprehensive video about proficiencies would just get more views and make more money, as well as being useful to players. It's a prime target.
“Too high, too LOW, lemme KNOW, down BELOW” idk why that sounded deliberate ace but it felt good😂
Was about to point that out aswell 😅 Ace the poet
Hey Ace, I haven't played COD in a long time. But I remember your analysis and break down vids were top notch. Glad to see things haven't changed. Keep up the hard work!
I feel like dauntless would be a top tier perk if it countered the flinch increasing proficiency which isn't common but really annoying to play against. Countering just movement reducing penalties like suppression isn't enough for me to sacrifice something better like ghost.
This is a pretty great idea. I still don’t think it would be top tier, but it would be significantly more competitive compared to the other tier 1 perks.
I said the same thing. It reduces the effects of moment but what all does that intel?
@@astadagouki8160 All it really does is counter frangible and piercing vision. Everything else the content creators basically have to inform us what its vague description means
any toughness or flinch reducing perk is always a must use perk.
People still think ghost is a top tier perk?
I agree with your point of randomness that flinch causes which lowers the skill gap, but with sniper rifles if someone is hard scoping a lane, and you quickly get 3 bullets into them, there absolutely should be flinch that throws them off target. In Cold War I’ve seen it a million times where I get a few quick bullets in and they still one shot kill me. Not just a handful of times but 85% of the time. Flinch is good in this specific scenario
Can't really blame the guys using snipers in this game for hardscoping and holding lanes. The ADS speed is literally twice as slow as the ttk in this game. It's painful trying to quickscope when you could technically be killed twice before you even have your gun up.
Yeah every gun except for snipers should have flinch
The flinch just honestly makes automatic weapons even more powerful than they already are. I'm not a great player and using any slower weapon becomes a pain when the flinch throws off your aim completely.
Have you tried Hardcore? I exclusively play HC because I perform much better when I can 1-2 shot enemies, granted they can also 1-2 shot you
I haven’t really noticed the flinch idk if that’s because my centering is good or it doesn’t effect me when I get shot or it’s the gun I use
@@heroscapeguy15 Hardcore? I think you mean gammon bomb throwing simulator...
@@heroscapeguy15 hardcore sucks, it's full of people sitting in corners, or people hardscoping one angle with an lmg, and 90% of the time they go negative when I go positive
@@matthewloscar2893 That's just cause they're bad bro, hence why the camp, i remember befriending a 60yo back in black ops 3 on 360 who exclusively HC cause he couldn't keep up with the reaction times of kids, so he camped and all, but the dude was max prestige and actually pretty good on HC, most of the time top one on the scoreboard.
It gave me a different perspective to the gamemode, it may suck but sometimes it's the only way certain type of people can do good and have fun.
If sniper don’t get an ads buff flinch needs to be toned down a bit
The flinch is fine for the snipers, but they could give them a slight buff to ads.
@@kristofferjohansen2780 flinch may be fine with the flinch attatchments on, but they all slow your ads time, with a fast ads build being shot by an stg with incend rounds will have you starring at the ceiling in no time
@@hern2063 and that is exactly how it should be, snipers should flinch or they would be too good, if they buff the ads a little the snipers are more than good enough
@@kristofferjohansen2780 sounds like your just bad against snipers
@@Brutox6222 tf u on about? Ur probably the guy who camps back with a sniper crying when people hit u because u flinch. Get a life dude.
Sniper rifles need some sort of buff in terms of flinch resistance or ADS. Most guns in the game have a far quicker TTK than sniper rifles have of even ADSing. You don't need to have the insane sniper rifles as Cold War did, but in their current state in Vanguard they are very underwhelming to use, and downright frustrating when you can be insta-burst across map from a no-recoil STG before you can even aim your weapon.
you can die twice before you can even ads fully, the fire rate is super slow, and the flinch on the default sniper scope seems absolutely terrible and way too overkill
Amen
Was using the SVT-40 and was honestly surprised how much flinch you would take when shot. Definitely throws off your tracking
It functions more like a semi auto sniper anyway so I'm fine with that having more flinch tbh.
@@pluto3194 yeah working on diamond marksman rifles now, got the svt gold first and when you unlock the damage increasing barrel to make it like a sniper, it was pretty fun to use honestly. Even using the first ammo you get that decreases damage I think but helps with fire rate, recoil/accuracy was really fun. While using the sniper barrel and that ammo, it felt like I didn't lose any sort of damage whatsoever and you could basically spam a sniper rifle. Working on the m1 garand right now and it's kinda painful compared to the svt lol
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I switched off the lower damage mags onto the 15rnd mags and liked it a whole lot more. It was very strong before, and was an absolute headshot magnet but the upper torso one hits (w/o vital) do wonders for it's consistency. The lower rate of fire matters less because you're gonna be killing more often anyway, and it's fire rate isn't horrible without it, it still beats every sniper by a ton. Very fun gun to use, definitely top 3 if not my favourite gun in the game.
You need to use the barrel that reduces flinch to reduce it a lot. On the G-43 I’ve used the flinch reducing grip & barrel since I got them and it’s way better.
Try the g-d M1 GARAND... Easily 3 times worse.
The NZ41 also has a proficiency that increases flinch dealt if you weren't aware
I just wanted to say you are hands down the most informative cod creator there is. Hard facts and evidence and all opinions are prefaced. Keep up the great work man, glad to see you enjoying playing cod again.
That's why the BAR is incredibly insane. You get one shot by it and basically aim at the moon.
Lol for reals I remember I lost a gunfight using 50 bmg (bad aim) and i saw the kill cam of the enemy and he Hella flinched haha
it’s really not fair how badly snipers are being treated as they aim so slow shoot so slow and have so much flinch. i can literally aim and kill with a stg before somebody with a kar can sprintout aim and fire their weapon. kind of ridiculous
Flinch on snipers is ridiculous. Hate it that snipers are at a disadvantage at long range to smgs and assault rifles. I would like to see them implement a flinch mechanic that you can only deal flinch to a sniper within a certain distance. Would like to see a good sniper buff aim down sight speed. The fast time to kill in Vanguard makes it not fun to snipe.
Respectfully disagree. If you are trying to snipe, but getting peppered by my AR, you should not be able to line up a clean headshot.
The only way I've leveled up my sniper rifles was from zombies. I'll occasionally pick up a sniper rifle from a dead teammate on Red Star or Oasis, but otherwise tap firing an automatic weapon or just using a scoped marksman rifle is this game's "sniping" experience.
@@Real_Beaky and I’d have to respectfully disagree with your statement. The average ADS for a sniper is between 500-550ms. You can easily get an SMG to ADS at around 200ms with a 200ms TTK. So an SMG has time to kill you almost twice, before you can even ADS if you also include trying to aim with the sniper while flinching. So the only option is to scope in at a distance, but with the scope glint, if a player sees that, they can still kill you just as easily because the flinch doesn’t allow you to aim properly, and most guns have little to no recoil, so they can “pepper” you and beat you every time. The guns are not balanced at all.
I would rather have flinch removed entirely. I've seen some arguments that removing flinch would make the game campier because you won't be able to flinch the camper off target. Well, that's not the case. Removing flinch will make it easier to remove campers from their headglitches.
As a person who enjoys snipers, I think they are fine because you can kill the other person before they kill you in 1-shot if you play smart.
If flinch did not exist then when another player lands their 1st bullet on you... they lose despite landing their shot first. The fact the ttk is fast enough to where you can't just use the sniper as a crutch means it is fair the same way standing far away from shotguns is fair.
No weapon should be good in every single situation and put almost complete control in 1 person's hands. So having huge flinch helps reward those people who need 2 or 5 shots to kill for landing their shot before you fire. When you failed using a sniper.
see but the logic doesnt work here because most guns kill between 2 to 3 bullets the flinch and slow ads is completely unacceptable in this game
Good video, next can you talk about ads on snipers, personally I think the flinch on them would be balanced if I could add fast enough to contest any weapons ttk in the game
This is so true. Snipers are way too slow to also get insane amount of flinch. Almost every reg gun in the game can kill you 3 times over before you even get your scope in and if you happen to be faster you just flinch off target just before you can take your shot. Snipers need a buff
I find one of my biggest annoyances of this game is how many guns have terrible magazines/clips. There’s a hand full where you lose a portion of your aim down site view and it really sucks donkey balls.
Kinda missed no flinch of CW, but at least the flinch attachments now mean something for once.
No flinch only works with ridiculously slow weapons. Snipers and marksman rifles are way too slow in this game for the amount of flinch there is. You can barely react with them.
@@42ZaphodB42 I hate quickscoping so I disagree
@@poisonbcm5275 Instead you have campers and hardscopers. Id like a middleground
True, but for me too much visual flinch would throw my aim off ngl, so those flinch reducing attachments were useful for me
I personally like this flinch mechanic. It makes the flinch reducing attachments/proficiencies not crucial anymore and keeps the others more or less competitive as a choice.
I personally think MR's flinch should be toned down a little (maybe closer to pistols) but it's not the biggest deal, I just think they're underpowered compared to most other guns, though maybe I just haven't found the one yet.
Have had the most luck with the gewer and svt. Gewer needs a trigger finger though and even then you've got like 20 bullets. Still fun but not terribly competitive
@@redtheftauto I'll definitely try that out. Just feels like they've over tuned for Cold War's outrageous MR balance. Feel lack luster mostly
They're all very strong really. The M1 2 shots consistently, it just needs recoil control attachments. The SVT is heavy but has huge one shot potential. The G43 can two shot and has high rate of fire (it needs ammo box though). I think the assault rifles being good at literally everything holds them back though. Maybe if they were less effective at long range the marksmen rifles would shine more.
Ace, you are truly one of a kind. Thank you for giving Drift0r your testing data. I missed seeing his COD videos over the past couple of years. Between his health problems and his videos drifting in other directions I've given most of his videos a pass. With Cold War it was you, Favstar, and Elgomtaf that saw me through the multi-player (Detested Warzone because of the cheaters).
So thank you, watching his vid on the type 100 but paused it to say I wasn't wrong crowning you the king of COD.
The flinch in this game is crazy, but let's be honest with how fast you die, if you get hit first you are losing that fight with or without flinch 99% of the time in Vanguard.
Also, you can turn down the camera shaking intensity in the settings. Helps me a lot
After the USER friendly KAR with zero fricken flinch …. I’m all for MORE flinch …. Sick of the broken ass Kar lol.
Same here
I've noticed some serious visual flinch using a riot shield on your back when you're getting shot from the front too, unless that's the suppression mechanic kicking in
Did you test any of the other attachments that list Flinch Resistance as a stat, like certain stocks?
yeah in a video a while back he showed how flinch resistance actually lowered the amount your point of aim flinches but in this video he said they dont affect it?
What’s up Mr Ace love your videos I’m a new subscriber!!!!
Agree with what you say but a game without flinch for snipers at least is a horrible idea. Just look on cold war, snipers were a huge pain the ass in that game.
Yes, snipers need maximum flinch
Except they were pretty slow. Honestly all I hear were snipers being too powerful or too weak in that game, no in between.
@@fifteen8850 and snipers are clearly too weak in Vanguard, nobody uses them and for good reason. MW had fast ADS times with decent flinch to keep snipers balanced, CW had almost no flinch but slow snipers, so they were balanced, Vanguard has the highest flinch we've seen with slow ADS times making them useless if you are not camping. 'BuT yOu ArE nOt SuPpOseD tO rUn ArRoUnD WiTh A sNiPeR'. It's CoD, everyone is hopping like a bunny and sliding around while carrying heavy weapons and having perfect aim while in the air, realism doesn't play a role, quickscoping has always been a part of CoD and people will always be annoyed by it no matter what. You can kill mr 2-3 times with an AR/SMG before I can zoom in with a sniper, if I hit that shot, I deserved the kill.
@@Real_Beaky no they dont regular guns need more flinch
This explains why I cant possibly reduce my actual flinch on marksman rifles, I get hit once by anything and I'm shooting the ceiling. Its also disturbing how aiming for the middle of the chest will get you accidental headshots more often than not which may be an issue in Warzone (I remember dying to accidental headshots in BO3 a lot) and I wish hardened was still a perk.
Would you please do an all ammo types guide/breakdown? I know you've done one on incendiary and now hollow point but I want to see how Lenghtened and FMJ stack up.
First of all, I think the flinch is just fine where it is in Vanguard. Second, I'll say that I REALLY miss the life bar from Black Ops 4. When I had a baffling death in that game, I could actually go through the effort and grab the footage, slow it down, and literally see how many times I was shot and where, and calculate the damage.
I think it’s funny. Every one wants snipers to be slow and huge flinch. And they use “ it’s a one shot “. Yet a 2 shot ar/smg is faster ads, 1/3 the flinch. And way more forgiving. Yet again skill is punished.
“most gunfights come down to who shoots who first” EXCEPT FOR WHEN I DIE
Hey ace this was very informative thank you so much and by the way can your next gun guide be either the PPSH-41 or the Volkssturmgewehr please and thank you
As a sniper, flinch is absolutely ridiculous. With a fully kitted Kar98 (for ads speed), you will be shooting at the mood by the slightest bit of damage. This sounds like it would give some room for counter play with the snipers, but it just compounds the balancing issue. Quickscoping is off the table because many guns kill you 2-3x over before you get the scope to your face. Holding sightlines is off the table, because you are way to easy to challenge. It has me wanting to just out put them down, and just run around with a stg or mp-40 like everyone else. Its much easier at the very least.
The flinch with snipers is so bad that I don’t even want to use them
There's way too much camera shake in this game. When being shot, explosions, killstreaks. They need to tone it down.
I think if someone has an attachment or perk that is supposed to add flinch, it should be a bigger effect than it is. Also, with the opposite, to resist flinch, it should reduce flinch to nearly nothing when being shot by someone with nothing added to their weapons to cause more flinching.
I don’t think much else would need to change though, I just think the perks/attachments should benefit more, whether adding flinch to opponents or reducing flinch from opponents.
Just my 2¢
hey love your content are you going to look at vanguard sniper flich in warzone with all the flinch attatchment?
The Flinch experienced seems more significant with higher zoom optics
What I hate most in Call of Duty is when you are shooting someone, and they're shooting you, and you causing them to flinch results in them hitting you with a headshot.
I loved that Cold War didn't have flinch. They have made a big mistake going back in this direction.
I like the flinch in this game and I hope it carries over to Warzone Pacific. I hope they add the effect to snipers especially. It’s ridiculous that you can be basically unloading into a player with a sniper and they’re just like, oh no, I’m getting shot at. I better stand here, figure out where I’m getting shot from, ads, and return fire because there’s no flinch.
Flinch should be on every single weapon, this ain't flinch
Hey there ACE. Great job 👍🏽. I would love to see the breakdown of diffrent attachments that lower ur RELOAD time. Is sleight of hand the best or the other one that activates when ur injured.
I need the Itra Burst weapon gun guide next
Have you guys actually tried using a marksman rifle? The flinch is ridiculous in actual play. It doesn’t seem that bad but you lose so many gun fights because of it. Yes, there are attachments that “help” the flinch issue, but only using one attachment isn’t cutting it. In some circumstances, using two attachments won’t be enough to cut the flinch to win a gun fight. So now, at the very least, you have to use two attachments, that you could use for much better ones, just to reduce the flinch enough that it doesn’t kick you completely off target. Really go into the game put on everything single attachments that reduces flinch on the Marksman rifle and it still kicks more than a AR. It really is ridiculous. Great video Ace, not bashing you at all, it’s just the flinch on the marksman rifles really is kind of dumb.
Yeah i was boutta say. Sure the numbers and data say one thing but that doesn’t really speak for how sniper rifles and marksman rifles actually feel. The flinch feels very strong and someone landing 1 or 2 shots on me at range shouldn’t automatically win the gunfight because now my cursor is aiming at the sky. Flinch and ADS make sniper and marksman rifles very unenjoyable to use currently.
@@colin7231 Exactly. I shouldn’t lose a gunfight if I’m shooting first and on target just because they were able to squeeze a bullet in
If you used a scope on the sniper, then you would see just how busted flinching is. You should also bump the health up and shoot at the target more than once. This will be a more thorough test for every weapon. Shooting in bursts would be preferable.
If they were to improve DMR flinch. They should have it be in line with pistols. If they have too little flinch. My fear is they would likely become a better choice than a sniper at long range.
They already are a better choice at long range, so are some ARs especially if they get the first shot off. The flinch definitely balances them out especially if you're holding a lane with a sniper, but DMRs especially the SVT, I feel are way more consistent in multiplayer.
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Are you stating that DMRs and some ARs are already better than snipers? Please clarify, I am confused…
On Vanguard it seems that the total XP till next operator level-up in the upper right part of the screen while in the OPERATOR tab is 2,000 points off from when you go to the operator next level up page. I also think this is incorrect with the gun XP because in the after game weapon level up screen, it will, for instance, say the gun is at level 40, but when you go to the loadout screen, the gun is still at level 39 with about a 2,000 point discrepancy. Any thoughts?
They need to reduce flinch for the snipers a bit. The snipers were the most infuriating weapon class to get diamond because I'm shooting the sky if I get hit with a single bullet.
Is anybody else getting major Packet Loss and High Latency games now? I never had this issue before, it only started when they reinserted the Events of the Pacific. I’ve tried turning off the High Textures but still no luck. This makes the game unplayable :(
nope just you, only the packet burst issue
my only problem with flinch is with the svt-40 1 shot attachements which should have alot of flinch so people have a chance of fighting back but in other scenarios i can see flinch as a problem overall. snipers need flinch or they just dominate the game(mw 2019) comes to mind.
In my opinion, it would be more fair if movement also plays a role in flinch. The less movement, the less flinch. That way players can somewhat control their flinch.
Ace, there's a high pitch whine in the background of this video - might want to look into this.
Wonder if results differ with grips that add flinch resistance ie polymer grip
Sounded like a rapper at the end there.
"You think it's too high too low
Just let me know
Down below"
I'd have loved to know if flinch has ANY input on bloom and the likes.
Hi Ace, thank you for another great breakdown! I am a sniper since many years and I would consider myself ok. Would it be possible for you to do a video comparing sniping amongst COD since 2019? It feels to me that sniping in this game is nearly impossible due to flinch, ADS and time to kill. I love to quickscope but in Vanguard I can get barely get my gun up before I am dead. Even if I have a 50 ping. Hope this would be possible, thanks and keep it up 👍🏻
Giving sniper/marksman rifles flinch (and the option to make the enemy flinch even more) seems to be the wrong move. It makes them more effective if the person misses a good "sniper" shot, and lets weapons that are MEANT to have a weakness at close range/poor aim a HUGE benefit.
I have leveled all the marksman rifles to 70, and I completely agree. There is way too much flinch.
Did you investigate the Pinned proficiency with respect to flinch for example on the NZ-41?
The flinch is insane no cap
its so nice to hear u saying that this flinch on snipers is fair w this slow ads and w reg guns like mp40 killing with literally 2 shots... in not saying snipers dont need flintch, but they have slow ads, slow bolt speed and a lot of flintch
The flinch on snipers is the same as in mw, difference is the kar is a sniper in this game where as in mw it was a marksman riffle, marksman riffles that one shot were way to op in mw so I think its now balanced, if you get the first shot you win if you are slow and get shot you will likely lose
I don't think the ADS time is in a good state at all for sniper rifles and they should be buffed across the board. I just like having some counterplay to snipers via flinch.
Flinch when using a sniper is absolutely insane. Makes it way harder to snipe.
I know sniper balance is always a hot topic in CoD, but in my opinion the flinch on snipers is too high in this game because of the extremely fast TTK of reg guns. If a sniper is pre-aiming a line of sight you lost anyways. He can shoot before you’re ready and you die, so flinch doesn’t matter there. Quickscoping doesn’t matter too cus it takes 550 ms to ads. He can miss half his shots and you still die before you even had a chance to ads. Flinch doesn’t matter there also. The only time it matters is when you are scoped in and need to adjust your aim. This should be about accuracy and gun skill imo. If it goes to Marksman rifle levels its fine.
I'm gonna have to play the Owen gun again tomorrow bc today I unlocked the mag with larger caliber rounds which do 50 damage so I was excited I'd be getting 2 shot kills up close. For whatever reason it doesn't seem to work. I've hit people from less that 10 meters away at least 3 times in the chest and they didn't die. The base damage ammo is a 3 shot kill ammo so it should always kill in 3 shots unless you put the smaller caliber rounds on. Also it seemed like it messed my aim way up and that there was significant flinch with that ammo type on. While leveling it up, since it has such a slow fire rate, it was easy to stay on target but with the higher caliber rounds it goes all over the place, especially when I'm getting shot. I know they increase your damage but that gun fires really slow and with every other gun I've played with in the game with higher caliber rounds didn't affect my aim up nowhere near that much and I don't remember flinch being anywhere near that bad. I'll take it off tomorrow and see the difference.
Flinch is another reason why recoil control and accuracy dominate my builds. I wish you would've tested flinch on hip fire also. Cant wait till my level up screen goes past prestige 3. ✌✌
For the free to play weekend I mostly only used the M1 garand and I even got it to max level and the M1 itself didn’t really seem to great besides being a heavy two shot king.
Most of the gun fights I experienced was lost to flinch. It making it so that I had to push myself to basic sniper range and hope that nobody was using an automatic or their aim was just terrible. I do wish that there were more flinch resistant options and/or I just hope that they cut it down until then I’m probably not gonna buy the game till Christmas or until most of the bugs are gone.
do you get less flinch if you are wearing armour? since you lose less life taking less damage.
Hmm, does flinch come into play with explosives at all? Because this is the most annoying part. My screen is shaking like crazy 80% of the time.
Flinch is ridiculous on sniper rifles. The magnitude of it on its own isn't too much of a deal, i am also of the mindset that as they are one shot to kill weapon to the chest, they deserve more flinch else we'll have a situation like CW where if you cross the path of a sniper that's ADS you stand literally zero chance of winning.
With that being said, the high magnitude of flinch, combined with relatively slow ROFs on all the snipers, combined with the slow ADS speed, combined with the fact that you can set up nearly every full auto weapon in the game to kill in 3 or less shots at insane fire rates due to the headshot multiplier and damage boosting attachments, you have a weapon category that's completely outclassed by everything.
Being a one shot kill weapon does not matter when an AS44 can kill you nearly 8 times before you've even ADSd with the fastest type 99 (fastest type 99 ADS is 424ms, the AS44 with the 7.62 gorenko, recoil booster and 650mm barrel can kill in 2 headshots at 1052rpm, resulting in a 55ms ttk. That's with 3 attachments, you can make the AS44 VERY accurate with the remaining 7)
Not to mention the fact that in order to get a competitive ADS speed with snipers you have to sacrifice nearly all of your OHK area as it makes them a headshot only OHK. Which, admittedly, I'd be down with... if not for the fact that literally every gun in the game can kill you more than twice before you've ADS. Or that a single shot from any weapon in the game is enough to completely throw you off target.
Slow ADS is fine, MW and CW proved that snipers can cope with slow ADS. Even slow ROF snipers can thrive, so long as their damage compensates well enough. However, slow ADS snipers should NOT have massive amounts of flinch in a game with an average ttk under 200ms. The "but it one shots" argument doesn't work here, the snipers are worthless in their current state, due to those two factors alone. ADS speeds need to be bumped up at least 20% across the board, flinch needs to be reduced down to the current marksman rifle level, and flinch reducing attachments (for all weapons really) should actually reduce flinch, not just viewkick
Ok I'm done now, I'd like to know people's thoughts lmao
No matter how many recoil attachments you put on the AS44, you are not consistently hitting 2 headshots at any range that matters.
If you are trying to snipe, you should not be able to line up a clean headshot while being peppered with an AR/LMG/SMG. I've used the snipers in this game. I'm 100% okay with the amount of flinch they have. I'd even be okay with them turning it up. I'm tired of COD games with OP snipers.
@@Real_Beaky If you're not hitting 2 headshots consistently with the AS44, you actually need to learn to aim. Weapons in every game since bo4 have had predictive recoil, meaning recoil becomes pretty much irrelevant once you've used the weapon long enough, so long as it doesn't have too much side to side bounce. The AS44 with just the attachments I listed doesn't have this issue in the slightest, especially now after they buffed the bloom on it. 2 headshots, especially at 1052rpm, is easy.
And I agree, if you're using a sniper and being peppered with an AR/SMG/LMG then you shouldn't be able to cleanly line up a shot. With that being said, they still have to be useable. If you see someone whilst you're using the fastest ADS type 99 (which has the smallest base OHK area of any sniper), you have to literally hope that a stray bullet doesn't hit you or that the person you're aiming at doesn't see you and land a single shot in the nearly half second it takes to accurately aim, and then you have to hit a small, specific area of the body else you get a hitmarker and have to wait for the rechamber, by which point you're definitely already dead. No other weapon category in this game has the same issue. No other weapon category is penalised so much for such a small advantage. Even if every sniper was as fast and consistent as the pre patch SPR from MW, they would STILL be outclassed at every range by the STG, MP40, AS44, BAR, etc etc etc, simply because of the flinch and how fast the full auto guns kill in this game. There's literally no way snipers can ever be OP in this game because most guns kill so damn quickly anyway.
Did you also stack multiple flinch reducing attachments or just the focus proficiency itself
I personally think the flinch when using a sniper could be reduced slightly, the snipers already feel like theyre dog shit and the amount of flinch just makes it even worse
Since Halo dropped, I haven’t even touched this mess. So much better.
I’d love some Halo videos this year, even if they’re more casual, or live-commentaries
Will maps exposed be coming soon?
Mw3 focus. Was beast hasn't been the same since
Also do u think u could go over recoil booster in full details and see how much it harms your accuracy
I’m really disappointed because I’ve been sacrificing ads speed or recoil control attachments for a visual “resistance” to flinch I think it should 100% reduce the actually flinch as well as visual if you’re gonna trade off something like ads speed
Notice how if you get shot first by an AR or SMG the flinch makes your gun aim at almost an instant headshot…. Seems like a disadvantage to put the first bullet in someone lol
It makes sense with snipers because they can 1 hit? Have you used the type 99 lol
I like just a little bit of flinch but not with this super fast ttk, I would rather a slower ttk overall though
Exactly like its not rocket science
I feel like flinch is very disorienting in this game. Maybe because of the added suppression affect that occurs in this game whenever I'm getting shot at with my screen shaking constantly it becomes very annoying to play with.
Good vid
Why do they insist on keeping this mechanic around? I thought we got rid of it, or it was lowered so much, it was practically gone...
Please KEEP the flinch mechanic. Marksman rifles in MW are ridiculous with no flinch.
Using a sniper for quick scoping is hilarious with at the minimum 430ms on the type 99 (not the good setup which has Abt 485 iirc) the Kar and 3 line sit at 520 and 540 respectively. It's insanely hard to ever contest people in this game with flinch (since most ads attachments increase it) you almost never win vs a decent player. I really think they should increase ads time by like 50-75 Ms across the board for snipers
Same with the garbage marksman rifle flinch, except 2 of them can't 1 shot and the one that can one 1 shot can't do it consistently without the first barrel and Vital.
The visual screen shaking bothers me more than any actual flinch.
Using a reg gun site on the sniper is not a very good way to compare how bad it is with a regular sniper scope... you can lose fights to sub machine guns at range because of flinch and sway and ttk.
Should you prioritize recoil control or flinch resistance when you have to make the choice?
Im using the flinch barrel on the g43 and i deff notice a difference
Flinching will never be as bad as the old CoD games. Specifically, MW2.
Ace, is the Frenzy Proficiency worth using in core at all?
I wonder about how incendiary rounds affect flinch.
The screen shake and supression from literally anything is still way to high imo, even when turning that down to 50 % i feel like its almost impossible to see your target at times
You did video about lightweight being better than double time so is dauntless better than survival training since its kind of same scenario
There's proficiency that also increases flinch dealt by a gun. Have you tested it?
I was leveling the Pellington in Plunder. And it is just impossible to make a kill when you are engaged. When hit, the flinch is so hard that you cannot re-engage when you get hammered with 60 STG bullets , you flinch as hard as when you would be hit by the Oden or so, but 60 times. Impssible to aim, let alone get a kill.
The game is so broken in favor of Vanguard-weapons.
The answer is very bad but did dauntless ever get fixed and is it same or better than survival training
Then why does flinch in this game feel so much worse with the snipers than in previous years? (Mainly MW 2019 and CW)