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Lovely video as always, but I did notice what may have been the equivalent of a verbal typo at 13:50 or so. Where Danielle says, "Now their feral **ancestors** cover almost 100% of the continent." when I think perhaps instead of *"ancestors"* it should have been _"descendants."_
I do not disagree that cats are invasive, but you called them "apex" predators. This is a poor adjective, as "apex" means "on the peak". Housecats, domesticated or feral, are not "apex" predators. On an island overrun by rabbits, they could be a top predator, but they are not "apex" predators. They are secondary, niche predators.
"Do you know how the Super Pigs first came into being? They were Pigs once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life." - Saruman Probably
I adopted two feral kittens. They were so wild they had to be kept in a guinea pig cage and I had to swaddle them in a towel with only their heads visible so I could get close to them and tame them. They grew up to be the most loving and gentle cats I've ever had.
Yeah, feral cats are notoriously difficult. I've been lucky to work with some where the owners of the land were actually wanting to become friends with them. I went over to a friend's grabdmothers house once because he'd told her I was goof with cats. She had a feral mother with a somewhat new litter. I simply sat with the kittens while they hid, spoke softly to them, and so on. I only went over once. Apparently, she was able to later befriend the kittens, though the mom was still cautious and wouldn't do more than accept food. The kittens were probably about 5 or 6 weeks old when I went, I'd guess. Perfect time to work with them. I feel horrible for feral cat populations, as much or even more than strays. Ferals will, more often than not; never find a home and will simply be killed or trapped. Strays are generally more approachable and adoptable. It's really not fair. I was just watching a show on pollution and the true impact it has. Now this. Us humans are truly lost. We need help.
But also remember, dingoes were able to naturalize by outcompeting mainland thylacine species. So while they became naturalized, a niche had to open up for them first.
@@brunocaruso6007That is theorized as why mainland species went extinct as quickly as they did after human habitation. Their prey overlapped with eachother's, it's just that dingoes had help from human.
@@brunocaruso6007 Maybe, but to say the arrival of dingoes, a much smarter, more competitive placental mammal didn't have an impact and didn't have as much of an impact as we humans did, is being considerate. That 35,000 years ago, for all we know there could have been many smaller animals that perished that we are unaware today by the dingoe's jaws.
@@brunocaruso6007wait, are you talking about Thylacines in Tasmania or the species as a whole? Because Thylacines went extinct in mainland in mainland Australia about 3,000 years ago. Tasmanian Devils actually had populations on mainland Australia too... and went extinct there around the same time Dingoes spread across the outback Europeans only finished the job dingoes started with Thylacines and we're lucky to have Devils still kicking around
In my former neighbourhood, we had a feral cat that refused to get trapped for many years, living in a cemetery, sleeping in purpose-built cat housing. After being injured, he was finally caught, sent to the vet to get treated, neutered and full immunization. He was adopted by a person who treated him well, fed him and cleaned his litter box. Several months in, the cat decided he loved captivity, and now cuddles and is friendly to his adopted family. He refuses to go outside, because it's cold and scary.
I never understood why so many people apparently hate pigeons. These are some of the most gentle and non threatening animals out there, and contrary to popular belief they barely even carry diseases, you are far more likely to get infected from interacting with chickens than you do with pigeons (and even then still low unless you eat them raw) yet you never hear people complain about chickens being dirty. Pigeons got treated so damn poorly by humans it's crazy
Have you ever been pooped on by a pigeon? Or had your car covered in poop? There you go. Chickens don't poop on us. And it's not like pigeons are incontinent either. They can control when they go but they choose to crap when they fly over people. That makes them assholes.
@@Tatertot01bro I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but pigeons don't have a concept for appropriate shitting areas. If they need to poop mid-flight they're going to poop mid-flight, you can't blame them for that😭
@@mariunfabregas7533 So if you got pooped on every day by pigeons you would just say oh well and accept it? No you would take matters into your own hands. Just like when invasive feral pigs are destroying crops and farm land you don't say, well they don't know any better, it's not their fault, let's just let them keep doing it.
Not this again, in Australia its all the dog owners are on about this but forget to mention that Foxes and cats have the same sized prey that they catch. Together they destroy a lot of wildlife but in Australia lets forget all the feral creatures like red deer up the road from my place, pigs, lots of Foxes, introduced Fking Indian miners ( almost as a big of pest as those Curries in scam centers), and of course the LNP.
It could be interesting to see a video talking about the Peccary; there doesn't seem to one in the channel's library yet, at least not that I could find. And honestly speaking, Peccaries deserve more attention.
My (temporary) roommate has a young feral barn cat.🐈 My cats are looking at me like "what is wrong with that thing" and they are trying to train it to behave. 😮 It's been a rough month.
@@paulgoogol2652 she was born in a barn. Her mother and father were both part of a feral colony that had been there for generations. The property owners have been trying to control the population and took the babies from mom at 5 weeks and found them homes. Even though they found loving homes(2 years ago), all the kittens are so feral.
This kinda happened to me too. My cats though, didn't like it when a new cat or kitten scratched me. Cue = Cats Fight 😅 That new cat was suddenly very tame...
Ooh ooh. Talk about wild woodland creatures that survive in urban and highly populated sub-urban areas. Like groundhogs, gophers, squirrels, skunks, raccoons, chipmunks, etc...
I have never heard about feral crops before this! I realize the channel is called animalogic but it would be very interesting and I would love to have a longer video on it.
Betting Tasha the Amazon will cover that in a Floralogic video at some point. I know she's talked about Kudzu in the past which is basically a feral ornamental. Feral barley sounds funny, doesn't it? Though I'm betting it's not.
Tbh it's uncertain whether the Przewalski's horse is a true wild lineage or also a rewilding/feral horse because there are contradicting studies on when their genetics split from other horses.
It is extremely likely to be that they have just been hybridizing with feral horses but were a wild species to begin with. Much like coyotes in the US, they all contain some genetics from wolves, and domestic dogs.
Even if their genetics are not entirely free from domesticated horse admixture they do at least in appearce seem to be something close to what those original wild horse populations would have been. That being smaller and a bit more Zebra like in build and appearance.
We don't have enough apex predator to control the pigs. We let them get out of control, human ignorance. Male boar is on average 500lbs, and even grizzly will think twice before hunting one.
I was waiting for you to mention the rabbits in Australia as well as the pythons in Florida and the Lionfish, which may or may not have been "domesticated". It is sure wrecking havoc in places.
Lionfish have never been domesticated. Invasive species for sure, but not Feral. Rabbits (including feral) I feel may have been covered on the channel before
@@LordBraddington Lionfish MIGHT have been kept as pet fish but that doesn't mean domesticated. They really are something else. This is was the first time I ever watched this channel. I'm 72 so I'm probably not going to worry too much about it. cheers.
"You just can't barbecue your way out of a wild pig problem" --- Well you could, but the *problem* is catching them. You know, people used to get killed on wild boar hunts all the time, because they thought it was worth the risk. Did you see GoT?
@@brunocaruso6007 I'd be offended by that term if I didn't know how awesome rats are. Pigeons too. They're actually very intelligent birds when they aren't getting addicted to crack and other hard substances.
I’m not sure about the feral hogs, but domestic pigs can produce 2 litters a year, three under ideal conditions. So twelve piglets per year is probably an underestimate.
Horses were NOT reintroduced to the Americas in the late 1400s. Most sources I could find say 1519 when horses were brought over with Cortez. AnimalLogic probably got this from PBS (which doesn't provide a source, as usual). Possible but highly unlikely exception: Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500.
Have y'all ever done an episode on Cumberland Island off the coast of the state of GA? They have all kinds of wild animals that don't belong there, and turtles hatch there.. it's a fun weird trip
@Animalogic, in southwest Michigan, the European garden flower, purple loose-strife, has taken over thousands of miles of the lengths of the tributary rivers of the St. Joseph river system. In some places accessible to people, like parks, one can see along streams perhaps two or three Native plants, where there should be a dozen species, and it is very quiet, because purple loose-strife doesn't support any Native animals in the local food web. But it does suppress and make locally extinct those plants the local web needed. "But they look so pretty....."
Notice the dingo was also hated, but he claims him because of them hunting the pigs. But if they had not seen this, they would be looked at in the same manner as the pigs.
Horses originally evolved in North America, and died out over here at the end of the last ice age, along with many other megafauna species. We might not be able to bring back mammoths, but at least horses have come home again.
We can blame the cats for causing extinctions but it's humans that introduced cats to Australia in the first place, isn't it? So, technically, we are the bad guys.
The hate for pigeons all stems from the phrase "rats with wings," which was coined by a homophobe and popularized by a convicted pedophile. Pigeon haters are on the wrong side of history.
they got full of lice in the feathers. didn't know that too and ended up saving dying one with serious feet infections from cuts. it recovered very quickly after vet visit (tho toes were cut off as rotten) and starting to noticed my hands were itchy after handling it and one day saw tiny insect biting my hand (had no idea what lice looks like) and in short, rushed back to vet to confirm about lice and return with powder and.. well, unbelievably there were hundreds of them dropped dead from it's body. in the end, release it back to freedom and it kept returning for bird food every week for years (strangely it behaved differently when near home as if his own turf and bullied everybody else from eating but didn't do that when food was put quite distance away). the point was they got lice and probably the reason you see they keep grooming themselves often.
I'm all for re-normalizing squab, though I suppose we have to worry about diseases don't we >.> but you're right, all those reasons are why humans domesticated doves to begin with!
They're loved pets in our culture for thousands of years, and I don't recon any local disease outbreaks to humans from them.As long as we also do our part in a harmonious habitation, cleaning up where it matters for us
@@lazy_nyt they're not lice but bird flea, yeah they have those, although not all wild/feral populations has those.... just don't let them nest near clothes or inside your house, and it's totally fine
_Domesticated_ cows can be quite aggressive. Outdoorsman and humor writer Patrick McManus used to suggest that one invention hikers really needed was a jerkass cow detector.
There really really needs to be indoor cat laws; letting cats roam free unrestricted and unprotected is enormously irresponsible. Indoor cats live dramatically longer lives than ones allowed outside. (12-16 years versus just 2-5 years.) Also maybe if North Americans stopped genocidally murdering native predators like wolves and coyotes we'd have less of a pig problem.
hmm wonder how long as a rough generalization it takes for an Animal or plant to become part of the habitat they are introduced into. it could be an interesting video, comparing feral and invasive animals and other animals that have been introduced a long time ago like the dingo.
I was also thinking the same when she started mentioning feral horses being protected. I want to see her dive more into invasive vs naturalization. Why are some feral species you are encouraged to kill, but some like horses become protected and even reintroduced when their population drops.
3:56, this is not an accurate representation of natural selection and is vague enough to be misinterpreted as Lamarkianism. it would be more accurate to say for a given biome and/or environment the organisms most suited to that environment are more likely to pass on genes, thus naturally selecting for traits advantageous for that given environment/biome. To say they "adapt" without the added context of those that survive and thus pass on genes are the "selected ones". The only real difference between natural and artificial selection is humans are intentionally controlling the given environment to select for those most suited for it.
Coincidentally in yesterday’s episode of BBC’c QI they talked about wild boars having been imported to America and also how a cross between a wild boar and a domestic pig grew into hogzilla. Sandi also mentioned that earth worms were unintentionally brought over. I didn’t know that there were no earth worms in America between the ice ages and Europeans unwittingly importing them.
It might have been a situation like the importation of European bees, apis millifera. If they go wild, they compete with native, wild bees which may or may not be eusocial.
One of my triggers is when cat owners let their pet outside with no consideration of how bad they can be for the environment. Foŕ example, a good friend of mine bragged to me about how her cat is so good at catching lizards, birds, and butterflies. I was appalled. That was someone who I had respected. And I witnessed a neighbor's cat snatch a sleeping bird right out of it's nest at night. It was a terrible scene. The cat wasn't even hungry because I had already fed him. (Again, he's the neighbor's cat.) On the plus side, though, that same neighbor and I have removed all of the feral femalè cats from our area. I tamed them by accident because I was taking care of them. I taught them how to be petted and enjoy human company. One mama we found a home for before she had her babies. Now that mama and her babies are all in loving homes rather than running wild. Two of the mamas decided to walk into my neighbor's home and raise their babies there. I now have 2 of their babies adopted into my home. (Inside only and spayed and vaccinated, of course.) The neighbor kept 1 kitten and isn't letting him outside until he is neutered. The mamas went to the shelter after they were close to fully tamed so they could be spayed and adopted into homes instead of just getting pregnant again. And the last feral girl is now in the neighbor's home until we can have her spayed. So, even though the neighbor sadly lers her cat hunt as he pleases, we are still doing our part to reducing the feral cat population, for the environment, and for the safety of the cats.
I can see how the presence of Dingoes could be beneficial to the ecosystem compared to the total absence of any apex predator. But their niche likely only opened up because Australias previous marsupial apex predators were wiped out. I cannot see any scenario where invasive herbivores/ generalists will be beneficial for the ecosystem in that way without wiping out huge numbers of native species. It would be far better if the camels, pigs etc. could be removed from nonnative ecosystems. The horses in North America are likely o though, as horses were native to North America until they were wiped out during the most recent glacial maximum/ice age
Like always. this video was packed with infromation. since feral plants where mentioned in the biginning, when you started talking about the impact of feral riceplants I thought this would be the second half of the video. I would like to watch the sequal plant episode.
Hmm... as a former farmer, several farmers have had litigation threatened and or lost their farms for having saved seeds with bioengineered traits from farms not even near them. The genetically modified crops and animals promised never to escape into the surrounding environment makes as much sense as the argument as there was no biological way for Thomas Jefferson to father children with Sally Hemmings. The super pig problem may require they replace a current apex predator or may require the expansion of a native apex predator. Maybe a polar bear grizzly bear hybrids might be able to take on a pack of 500-700 pound boars, but I think not, especially if the bear's food supply has already been consumed.
"they need a diverse appetite that doesn't overlap too much with human food" -- proceeds to list exactly the foods humans eat the most ever since agriculture became a thing
@@necromax13this. This was why salmon was a poor man's while chicken was only cooked during special occasions. The former is basically free while the latter have to be fed grains.
Although invasive feral species can be a huge threat, I won't villainize them. If there should one be called a villain it would be us. We are the biggest invasive species the world has ever seen. And to be honest, I really like the animals from this video, invasive or not. A final note: I am really curious how these habitats will look like within a couple of millennia
There is an interesting thing that probably connects to the topic: Dollo's law. It is about the fact that a species can't go back to its "previous form", but instead it always evolves into a new one (that might resemble a previous one, for example, whales and fish). So every feral animal or plant eventually becomes something new, none of them evolve back to their actual ancestor.
The thing is, at this point, I think trying to eliminate invasive species is a losing battle. The best we can do is simply continue to reintroduce native species and even introduce more invasive species to suffering ecosystems as crazy as it sounds, in hopes that maybe they will rebalence them out like introducing Dingos did for Australia and reintroducing Wolves did for Yellowstone. Only this time I wouldn't be by accident.
I'd like to see the speculative evolution these super pigs could undergo if not eradicated and if humans were to disappear, possible return of Hell Pigs/Entelodons?
As far as I'm aware, Przewalski horses aren't wild but rather a breed of ancient feral horses. I believe the current consensus is that there are no extant species of wild horses.
To be fair to feral cats though, as far as my limited knowledge goes, with the exception of places that never had wild cats, Australia, New Zealand, several islands, they are primarily a threat to species that already had most of their population wiped out and most of their habitat destroyed by the by far most destructive, adaptive and succesful invasive species on the planet. Us.
It is certainly is funny how humans categorize cats as the most destructive animal, when by far humans have caused more damage to ecosystems and entire planetary systems more than any species alive.
pigeons are alright... i recently saved one from the factory i work. it was weakened, it was trapped there the whole weekend :P i held it captive for some hours, gave it some water and food. after that it was strong enough to flew away :)
In my home area of the Eastern Shore of Maryland, there's an island called Assateague. It's quite similar to the Nova Scotian island, except i think ours are ponies not horses. They're barely 5 and 1/2 ft tall from what I've seen. And you also aren't allowed to touch them or interact with them at all
Be careful about praising the Dingo. Yes they are useful cat killers now, but they're one of the main reasons Thylacines went extinct (the other being human hunting though that was a later nail in the coffin in Tasmania where as Dingos killed off Thylacines of mainland Australia) Feral horses also cause water competition in arid regions, pressuring both livestock and native herbivores. While I'm not wholly against feral horses or modern dingoes, it's just a little unfair you wouldn't mention their downsides in the same video you paint feral pigs as villains.
@@anthonykent00 the hooves and excrement of feral horses and cows can do a number to arid ecosystems when they destroy precious few creekbeds and riparian habitats that keep water from evaporating too fast. They definitely don't affect as many place/other species as pigs for sure, but even small springs horses can quickly contaminate can mean life or death to large swaths of the Australian Outback or American West Really we should just recognize all feral animals have downsides even if they are "pretty" or "cute", not just the most disastrous
I can't remember how old it is, but Terra Australis was theorized to exist long before any Westerners came near the continent. They thought the earth needed to have equal landmass on the southern hemisphere to balance it out.
In reality all animals have been invasive at some point in time, Camel's and horses originated in North America went extinct,and then thousands of years later were reintroduced.
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Pleassse fix the sibilant ‘s’ soundsssss.
Lovely video as always, but I did notice what may have been the equivalent of a verbal typo at 13:50 or so. Where Danielle says, "Now their feral **ancestors** cover almost 100% of the continent." when I think perhaps instead of *"ancestors"* it should have been _"descendants."_
Canola is not a crop. Its RAPESEED
I do not disagree that cats are invasive, but you called them "apex" predators. This is a poor adjective, as "apex" means "on the peak". Housecats, domesticated or feral, are not "apex" predators. On an island overrun by rabbits, they could be a top predator, but they are not "apex" predators. They are secondary, niche predators.
More information. less attempt at a personality. Fail every host.
"Do you know how the Super Pigs first came into being? They were Pigs once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life." - Saruman Probably
Hahahah perfect.
" Looks like endemic species are back on the menu, boys!"
well, sounds like a normal domesticated pig's life really…
Ora-oinks
"My Fighting Boar-Ukai"
@@brunocaruso6007😂
I never thought I'd hear the phrase "feral rice" but here we are.
I adopted two feral kittens. They were so wild they had to be kept in a guinea pig cage and I had to swaddle them in a towel with only their heads visible so I could get close to them and tame them. They grew up to be the most loving and gentle cats I've ever had.
Yeah, feral cats are notoriously difficult. I've been lucky to work with some where the owners of the land were actually wanting to become friends with them. I went over to a friend's grabdmothers house once because he'd told her I was goof with cats. She had a feral mother with a somewhat new litter. I simply sat with the kittens while they hid, spoke softly to them, and so on. I only went over once. Apparently, she was able to later befriend the kittens, though the mom was still cautious and wouldn't do more than accept food. The kittens were probably about 5 or 6 weeks old when I went, I'd guess. Perfect time to work with them.
I feel horrible for feral cat populations, as much or even more than strays. Ferals will, more often than not; never find a home and will simply be killed or trapped. Strays are generally more approachable and adoptable. It's really not fair.
I was just watching a show on pollution and the true impact it has. Now this. Us humans are truly lost. We need help.
So, you went with full nelson on those kittens. Excellent choice.
Sooo…swaddle the pigs next?
But also remember, dingoes were able to naturalize by outcompeting mainland thylacine species. So while they became naturalized, a niche had to open up for them first.
@@brunocaruso6007That is theorized as why mainland species went extinct as quickly as they did after human habitation. Their prey overlapped with eachother's, it's just that dingoes had help from human.
@@brunocaruso6007 Maybe, but to say the arrival of dingoes, a much smarter, more competitive placental mammal didn't have an impact and didn't have as much of an impact as we humans did, is being considerate. That 35,000 years ago, for all we know there could have been many smaller animals that perished that we are unaware today by the dingoe's jaws.
lmao, i blame Aboriginal colonization@@brunocaruso6007
@@brunocaruso6007wait, are you talking about Thylacines in Tasmania or the species as a whole?
Because Thylacines went extinct in mainland in mainland Australia about 3,000 years ago. Tasmanian Devils actually had populations on mainland Australia too... and went extinct there around the same time Dingoes spread across the outback
Europeans only finished the job dingoes started with Thylacines and we're lucky to have Devils still kicking around
considering that thy had a extremely weak bite
it could only hunt small animals
In my former neighbourhood, we had a feral cat that refused to get trapped for many years, living in a cemetery, sleeping in purpose-built cat housing. After being injured, he was finally caught, sent to the vet to get treated, neutered and full immunization. He was adopted by a person who treated him well, fed him and cleaned his litter box. Several months in, the cat decided he loved captivity, and now cuddles and is friendly to his adopted family. He refuses to go outside, because it's cold and scary.
I never understood why so many people apparently hate pigeons. These are some of the most gentle and non threatening animals out there, and contrary to popular belief they barely even carry diseases, you are far more likely to get infected from interacting with chickens than you do with pigeons (and even then still low unless you eat them raw) yet you never hear people complain about chickens being dirty.
Pigeons got treated so damn poorly by humans it's crazy
Have you ever been pooped on by a pigeon? Or had your car covered in poop? There you go. Chickens don't poop on us. And it's not like pigeons are incontinent either. They can control when they go but they choose to crap when they fly over people. That makes them assholes.
@@Tatertot01bro I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but pigeons don't have a concept for appropriate shitting areas. If they need to poop mid-flight they're going to poop mid-flight, you can't blame them for that😭
@@mariunfabregas7533 So if you got pooped on every day by pigeons you would just say oh well and accept it? No you would take matters into your own hands. Just like when invasive feral pigs are destroying crops and farm land you don't say, well they don't know any better, it's not their fault, let's just let them keep doing it.
They are iften called flying rats because they carry numerous diseases, luckily most not transfer to humasn, but they can to other poultry.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT FERAL CATS IN AUS!!
They've decimated my neighbourhoods bird population and it's so sad.
When I lived in Georgia (US) 25 years ago the entire northern part of the state's song bird population was wiped out by feral cats.
Not this again, in Australia its all the dog owners are on about this but forget to mention that Foxes and cats have the same sized prey that they catch. Together they destroy a lot of wildlife but in Australia lets forget all the feral creatures like red deer up the road from my place, pigs, lots of Foxes, introduced Fking Indian miners ( almost as a big of pest as those Curries in scam centers), and of course the LNP.
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds. a lot of people care, dickhead
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds
Looking real goofy right about now. It must hurt on the regular.
@My_pfp_beats_all_dog_breeds.Get the cat poop parasites removed from your brain and you might see some sense.
It could be interesting to see a video talking about the Peccary; there doesn't seem to one in the channel's library yet, at least not that I could find. And honestly speaking, Peccaries deserve more attention.
This is a family-friendly channel
The native american cousins of pigs are such a great topic
@@Boco_Corwin Peccaries are just the american cousins of pigs
what's the problem
they have teeth? so do you
It's not a video, but there's already a "song": _The Adventures of Greggery Peccary,_ by Frank Zappa.
@@mal2ksc I've heard of it, but not actually heard it
The pigeons are brutally oppressed... I'm sure not even 1 pigeon would agree to an interview due to fear of retribution
My (temporary) roommate has a young feral barn cat.🐈 My cats are looking at me like "what is wrong with that thing" and they are trying to train it to behave. 😮 It's been a rough month.
did it spend early life on a farm? we have a farm cat and it is kind of normal. we had her when she was very young.
@@paulgoogol2652 she was born in a barn. Her mother and father were both part of a feral colony that had been there for generations. The property owners have been trying to control the population and took the babies from mom at 5 weeks and found them homes. Even though they found loving homes(2 years ago), all the kittens are so feral.
This kinda happened to me too. My cats though, didn't like it when a new cat or kitten scratched me. Cue = Cats Fight 😅
That new cat was suddenly very tame...
Ooh ooh. Talk about wild woodland creatures that survive in urban and highly populated sub-urban areas. Like groundhogs, gophers, squirrels, skunks, raccoons, chipmunks, etc...
Thus could be a very fun video
Here in Colorado, that would also include coyote, fox, bears, deer, bobcats, and mountain lions
I have never heard about feral crops before this! I realize the channel is called animalogic but it would be very interesting and I would love to have a longer video on it.
Betting Tasha the Amazon will cover that in a Floralogic video at some point. I know she's talked about Kudzu in the past which is basically a feral ornamental.
Feral barley sounds funny, doesn't it? Though I'm betting it's not.
Wait until you hear about tumbleweeds...
Yes, I'd like to hear more about how feral rice is a threat to domesticated rice. Is feral rice inedible?
Tbh it's uncertain whether the Przewalski's horse is a true wild lineage or also a rewilding/feral horse because there are contradicting studies on when their genetics split from other horses.
I thought they were descended from domesticated horses.
@@kiuk_kiks yeah it's uncertain
It is extremely likely to be that they have just been hybridizing with feral horses but were a wild species to begin with. Much like coyotes in the US, they all contain some genetics from wolves, and domestic dogs.
Even if their genetics are not entirely free from domesticated horse admixture they do at least in appearce seem to be something close to what those original wild horse populations would have been. That being smaller and a bit more Zebra like in build and appearance.
We don't have enough apex predator to control the pigs. We let them get out of control, human ignorance. Male boar is on average 500lbs, and even grizzly will think twice before hunting one.
Sadly, just about every invasive animal and plant species are a direct result of our ignorant meddling.
Super pigs! This episode is going to be amazing!
I went back and watched that 9 year old pigeon video. Same music and format as today! Crazy!
I've been watching Animalogic since it's inception, and it's been 9 years?
That's crazy.
Because they never evolve always relying to sex appeal to promote their channel
If you listen closely the cow is mowing “fight the power!!!!”
I was waiting for you to mention the rabbits in Australia as well as the pythons in Florida and the Lionfish, which may or may not have been "domesticated". It is sure wrecking havoc in places.
Lionfish have never been domesticated. Invasive species for sure, but not Feral.
Rabbits (including feral) I feel may have been covered on the channel before
@@LordBraddington Lionfish MIGHT have been kept as pet fish but that doesn't mean domesticated. They really are something else. This is was the first time I ever watched this channel. I'm 72 so I'm probably not going to worry too much about it. cheers.
The foxes in Australia too.
The dingo has probably taken the place of the Tasmanian Tiger as an apex predator in Australia. I would suspect it is now a keystone species there.
“You just can’t barbecue your way out of a hog problem”
Hold my beer.
"You just can't barbecue your way out of a wild pig problem" Are? Are you challenging me?
"how the turntable's...." ALWAYS makes me laugh!!! Love this channel, GREAT work!
Was waiting on a video of the Canadian super pigs
Let's talk about the okapi 🤩 it is my favorite animal and I've only seen it once, at a zoo, when I was the child. I'm 55 years old now 🤘🏾
I like them too
"You just can't barbecue your way out of a wild pig problem" --- Well you could, but the *problem* is catching them. You know, people used to get killed on wild boar hunts all the time, because they thought it was worth the risk. Did you see GoT?
Huh... I always thought Rock Pigeons and Pigeons were the same thing. Didn't realize what we see in the city is the feral version of Rock Pigeons
This pisses me off so much, when people say city pigeons are the exact same as rock doves. There are clear visible differences.
@@brunocaruso6007 I'd be offended by that term if I didn't know how awesome rats are. Pigeons too. They're actually very intelligent birds when they aren't getting addicted to crack and other hard substances.
@@brunocaruso6007 I... _We_ accept your apology.
I’m not sure about the feral hogs, but domestic pigs can produce 2 litters a year, three under ideal conditions. So twelve piglets per year is probably an underestimate.
10:24 hey kinda Like what Spirit did with Rain, If you know you know.
14:41 that explains why Dingoes have that Shiba inu or Akita appearance.
4:58 “native eco systems” ah yesm the wheat fields, mother nature’s buffet
Horses were NOT reintroduced to the Americas in the late 1400s.
Most sources I could find say 1519 when horses were brought over with Cortez.
AnimalLogic probably got this from PBS (which doesn't provide a source, as usual).
Possible but highly unlikely exception: Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500.
‘Some More News’ has been telling us about the boars for years.
Have y'all ever done an episode on Cumberland Island off the coast of the state of GA? They have all kinds of wild animals that don't belong there, and turtles hatch there.. it's a fun weird trip
The swiming pigs are adorable.
@Animalogic, in southwest Michigan, the European garden flower, purple loose-strife, has taken over thousands of miles of the lengths of the tributary rivers of the St. Joseph river system. In some places accessible to people, like parks, one can see along streams perhaps two or three Native plants, where there should be a dozen species, and it is very quiet, because purple loose-strife doesn't support any Native animals in the local food web. But it does suppress and make locally extinct those plants the local web needed. "But they look so pretty....."
Very appropriate name for an invasive specie wrecking havoc on an ecosystem
The armies of Ganon grow stronger by the day.
I love that you call them what they were colonizers not settlers!
Love you Danielle 🥰 What a journey since you started, I'm so thankful for what you share with us and... you're honestly an inspiration ☺️
Notice the dingo was also hated, but he claims him because of them hunting the pigs. But if they had not seen this, they would be looked at in the same manner as the pigs.
Wait, Cody's wild boars weren't just an allegory?! 😮
Humans have re-wilded themselves in a lot of Australia. The last time I went for a party in the bush, some real feral ones turned up 😆
horses is such a tricky topic in the us at least
Horses originally evolved in North America, and died out over here at the end of the last ice age, along with many other megafauna species. We might not be able to bring back mammoths, but at least horses have come home again.
We can blame the cats for causing extinctions but it's humans that introduced cats to Australia in the first place, isn't it? So, technically, we are the bad guys.
Pigeons are hated for no reason lol, they're cute, can fly, no need of care, and are delicious
The hate for pigeons all stems from the phrase "rats with wings," which was coined by a homophobe and popularized by a convicted pedophile. Pigeon haters are on the wrong side of history.
they got full of lice in the feathers. didn't know that too and ended up saving dying one with serious feet infections from cuts. it recovered very quickly after vet visit (tho toes were cut off as rotten) and starting to noticed my hands were itchy after handling it and one day saw tiny insect biting my hand (had no idea what lice looks like) and in short, rushed back to vet to confirm about lice and return with powder and.. well, unbelievably there were hundreds of them dropped dead from it's body. in the end, release it back to freedom and it kept returning for bird food every week for years (strangely it behaved differently when near home as if his own turf and bullied everybody else from eating but didn't do that when food was put quite distance away).
the point was they got lice and probably the reason you see they keep grooming themselves often.
I'm all for re-normalizing squab, though I suppose we have to worry about diseases don't we >.>
but you're right, all those reasons are why humans domesticated doves to begin with!
They're loved pets in our culture for thousands of years, and I don't recon any local disease outbreaks to humans from them.As long as we also do our part in a harmonious habitation, cleaning up where it matters for us
@@lazy_nyt they're not lice but bird flea, yeah they have those, although not all wild/feral populations has those.... just don't let them nest near clothes or inside your house, and it's totally fine
13:50 You mean their feral descendants. The cats in the past were the ancestors.
06:11 "You just can't barbecue your way out of a wild pig problem......."
HOLD MY BEER!
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
_Domesticated_ cows can be quite aggressive. Outdoorsman and humor writer Patrick McManus used to suggest that one invention hikers really needed was a jerkass cow detector.
As a Kentuckian I love seeing wild horses. Majestic animals.
Feral horses
As an og fan, I DID remember the pigeon episode!
Oh wow! You rule, thank you!
There really really needs to be indoor cat laws; letting cats roam free unrestricted and unprotected is enormously irresponsible. Indoor cats live dramatically longer lives than ones allowed outside. (12-16 years versus just 2-5 years.)
Also maybe if North Americans stopped genocidally murdering native predators like wolves and coyotes we'd have less of a pig problem.
hmm wonder how long as a rough generalization it takes for an Animal or plant to become part of the habitat they are introduced into.
it could be an interesting video, comparing feral and invasive animals and other animals that have been introduced a long time ago like the dingo.
I was also thinking the same when she started mentioning feral horses being protected. I want to see her dive more into invasive vs naturalization. Why are some feral species you are encouraged to kill, but some like horses become protected and even reintroduced when their population drops.
Outstanding lecture. Thank you so much!
Do an episode about sturgeons, please.
Would love to, great idea!
I'm a sturgeon Dr. Han!
Some More News has been warning us of this for YEARS. When will society listen?
3:56, this is not an accurate representation of natural selection and is vague enough to be misinterpreted as Lamarkianism. it would be more accurate to say for a given biome and/or environment the organisms most suited to that environment are more likely to pass on genes, thus naturally selecting for traits advantageous for that given environment/biome. To say they "adapt" without the added context of those that survive and thus pass on genes are the "selected ones". The only real difference between natural and artificial selection is humans are intentionally controlling the given environment to select for those most suited for it.
makes me think of the hippos in the americas, not feral obviously, but still thriving in their little heaven.
6:13 "You just can't barbecue your way out of a wild pig problem." 😂
I love her voice
Super pigs. Great, just great...Can we get some more timber wolves please?
Coincidentally in yesterday’s episode of BBC’c QI they talked about wild boars having been imported to America and also how a cross between a wild boar and a domestic pig grew into hogzilla.
Sandi also mentioned that earth worms were unintentionally brought over. I didn’t know that there were no earth worms in America between the ice ages and Europeans unwittingly importing them.
It might have been a situation like the importation of European bees, apis millifera. If they go wild, they compete with native, wild bees which may or may not be eusocial.
One of my triggers is when cat owners let their pet outside with no consideration of how bad they can be for the environment. Foŕ example, a good friend of mine bragged to me about how her cat is so good at catching lizards, birds, and butterflies. I was appalled. That was someone who I had respected.
And I witnessed a neighbor's cat snatch a sleeping bird right out of it's nest at night. It was a terrible scene. The cat wasn't even hungry because I had already fed him. (Again, he's the neighbor's cat.)
On the plus side, though, that same neighbor and I have removed all of the feral femalè cats from our area. I tamed them by accident because I was taking care of them. I taught them how to be petted and enjoy human company. One mama we found a home for before she had her babies. Now that mama and her babies are all in loving homes rather than running wild.
Two of the mamas decided to walk into my neighbor's home and raise their babies there. I now have 2 of their babies adopted into my home. (Inside only and spayed and vaccinated, of course.) The neighbor kept 1 kitten and isn't letting him outside until he is neutered. The mamas went to the shelter after they were close to fully tamed so they could be spayed and adopted into homes instead of just getting pregnant again. And the last feral girl is now in the neighbor's home until we can have her spayed.
So, even though the neighbor sadly lers her cat hunt as he pleases, we are still doing our part to reducing the feral cat population, for the environment, and for the safety of the cats.
Danielle is so pretty, with a great sense of informative delivery; and such a warm voice. She's some serious eye-candy!💜
14:16
i am proud to be on the record that i love pigeons
I can see how the presence of Dingoes could be beneficial to the ecosystem compared to the total absence of any apex predator. But their niche likely only opened up because Australias previous marsupial apex predators were wiped out. I cannot see any scenario where invasive herbivores/ generalists will be beneficial for the ecosystem in that way without wiping out huge numbers of native species. It would be far better if the camels, pigs etc. could be removed from nonnative ecosystems. The horses in North America are likely o though, as horses were native to North America until they were wiped out during the most recent glacial maximum/ice age
Basically the pig version of how the Africanized honey bee came to be.
Like always. this video was packed with infromation. since feral plants where mentioned in the biginning, when you started talking about the impact of feral riceplants I thought this would be the second half of the video. I would like to watch the sequal plant episode.
shut up
“can’t bbq your way out” I died 😂
"how the turntables....have turned" :))) good one!
Hmm... as a former farmer, several farmers have had litigation threatened and or lost their farms for having saved seeds with bioengineered traits from farms not even near them. The genetically modified crops and animals promised never to escape into the surrounding environment makes as much sense as the argument as there was no biological way for Thomas Jefferson to father children with Sally Hemmings.
The super pig problem may require they replace a current apex predator or may require the expansion of a native apex predator. Maybe a polar bear grizzly bear hybrids might be able to take on a pack of 500-700 pound boars, but I think not, especially if the bear's food supply has already been consumed.
I live in Hawaii. The pigs, chickens, and humans have all gone feral.
"they need a diverse appetite that doesn't overlap too much with human food" -- proceeds to list exactly the foods humans eat the most ever since agriculture became a thing
I was actually wondering about that. 😂 Humans are still heavily dependent on cereals the most globally. Very weird. Maybe she misspoke?
@@ElysetheEevee maybe. but the fact is like 60% of harvested crops go to farm animals lol.
@@necromax13this. This was why salmon was a poor man's while chicken was only cooked during special occasions. The former is basically free while the latter have to be fed grains.
Oh no, Cody Johnston warned us but we didn't listen!
*THE BOARS!*
Oh geez, haven't seen that guy for years. What's he been up to lately?
"you can't BBQ your way out of this situation". Maybe not but you can sure try. So fire up the pit and get to hunting!
Although invasive feral species can be a huge threat, I won't villainize them. If there should one be called a villain it would be us. We are the biggest invasive species the world has ever seen.
And to be honest, I really like the animals from this video, invasive or not.
A final note: I am really curious how these habitats will look like within a couple of millennia
There is an interesting thing that probably connects to the topic: Dollo's law. It is about the fact that a species can't go back to its "previous form", but instead it always evolves into a new one (that might resemble a previous one, for example, whales and fish). So every feral animal or plant eventually becomes something new, none of them evolve back to their actual ancestor.
Danielle’s voice is so soothing that it has a calming effect on me.
The thing is, at this point, I think trying to eliminate invasive species is a losing battle. The best we can do is simply continue to reintroduce native species and even introduce more invasive species to suffering ecosystems as crazy as it sounds, in hopes that maybe they will rebalence them out like introducing Dingos did for Australia and reintroducing Wolves did for Yellowstone. Only this time I wouldn't be by accident.
You look amazing Daniel 💖. Yes, I remember the pigeon video you guys put together, I love them too!
A video on feral crops on the floralogic section please
2:49 my favourite part (the background)
I'd like to see the speculative evolution these super pigs could undergo if not eradicated and if humans were to disappear, possible return of Hell Pigs/Entelodons?
As far as I'm aware, Przewalski horses aren't wild but rather a breed of ancient feral horses. I believe the current consensus is that there are no extant species of wild horses.
I think wild horses are extinct already.
They were possibly the first horse species to be domesticated 5000 years ago, but have all since become feral
Zebrs are horses.
@@CordeliaWagner1999 A zorse is half horse, of course
I am pretty sure that has been debunked and the Przewalski horse is a wild species
So would my once feral mustang now be redomesticated?
feral horses couldn't drag me away
To be fair to feral cats though, as far as my limited knowledge goes, with the exception of places that never had wild cats, Australia, New Zealand, several islands, they are primarily a threat to species that already had most of their population wiped out and most of their habitat destroyed by the by far most destructive, adaptive and succesful invasive species on the planet. Us.
It is certainly is funny how humans categorize cats as the most destructive animal, when by far humans have caused more damage to ecosystems and entire planetary systems more than any species alive.
Wolves. Lots and lots of wolves. That's what we need.
The best part. Their natural habit is almost the whole damn country.
What will I do when 30 - 50 feral hogs invade Animalogic in 3 - 5 minutes?
pigeons are alright... i recently saved one from the factory i work. it was weakened, it was trapped there the whole weekend :P i held it captive for some hours, gave it some water and food. after that it was strong enough to flew away :)
In my home area of the Eastern Shore of Maryland, there's an island called Assateague. It's quite similar to the Nova Scotian island, except i think ours are ponies not horses. They're barely 5 and 1/2 ft tall from what I've seen. And you also aren't allowed to touch them or interact with them at all
I remember a storybook, Misty of Chincoteague, which is also about fereal ponies on border islands.
Thanks for yet another excellent video ! Please keep them coming...
look at all these invasive food! enough to feed all the hungry people in the world folks!!!
Cody warned us
There's pigs species native from south america,
In brazil they're called "Cateto" and "queixada"
Just a small correction
I actually wrote a poem about a pigeon I met in Rome that I named Pauli.
very interesting, thank you Danielle, thank you crew
Probably the best video of this channel
Be careful about praising the Dingo. Yes they are useful cat killers now, but they're one of the main reasons Thylacines went extinct (the other being human hunting though that was a later nail in the coffin in Tasmania where as Dingos killed off Thylacines of mainland Australia)
Feral horses also cause water competition in arid regions, pressuring both livestock and native herbivores.
While I'm not wholly against feral horses or modern dingoes, it's just a little unfair you wouldn't mention their downsides in the same video you paint feral pigs as villains.
Fair point, but feral pigs destroy whole ecosystems. It's not the same as displacing an endemic species.
@@anthonykent00 the hooves and excrement of feral horses and cows can do a number to arid ecosystems when they destroy precious few creekbeds and riparian habitats that keep water from evaporating too fast. They definitely don't affect as many place/other species as pigs for sure, but even small springs horses can quickly contaminate can mean life or death to large swaths of the Australian Outback or American West
Really we should just recognize all feral animals have downsides even if they are "pretty" or "cute", not just the most disastrous
16:28 Wow, upsidedown Australian jokes have been around for awhile, huh?
Don't know why, but it felt like a newer invention.
I can't remember how old it is, but Terra Australis was theorized to exist long before any Westerners came near the continent. They thought the earth needed to have equal landmass on the southern hemisphere to balance it out.
In reality all animals have been invasive at some point in time, Camel's and horses originated in North America went extinct,and then thousands of years later were reintroduced.