MUST HAVES for Headshot Photography

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    Headshot photography just got easier with these MUST HAVES! This video showcases the top gear for capturing the perfect headshot. From the powerful Canon EOS R5 camera to the versatile lenses like the Canon RF 85mm f/1.2 L USM, Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM, and Canon 50mm 1.2. We also take a look at the essential backdrops, like the Savage Backdrops 5x7’ White or the Profoto B10X. With lighting equipment like the Profoto Deep Translucent Umbrella XL, 65", Profoto clic octa softbox, Profoto A1X Adorama 5-in-1 Reflector 42”, Trigrip 8-in-1 reflector kit 30”, Manfrotto light stand stackable and Flashpoint Empty Saddle Sandbag, you'll be able to create the perfect lighting for any headshot. Get ready to elevate your headshot game with these must-have products!
    For headshot photography, the following gear is recommended for you:
    Canon EOS R5 Camera: This full-frame mirrorless camera features 45 megapixels resolution, 8K video recording, and fast autofocus. It is a powerful camera that can produce high-quality images. PLUS a backup camera!
    Canon RF 85mm f/1.2 L USM Lens: This lens is great for headshot photography as it has a wide aperture that can produce a shallow depth of field if thats your style and it helps to separate the subject from the background. It also has fast autofocus.
    Canon RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM Lens: This lens is versatile and can be used for headshot photography as well as full-body shots IF you have the space to backup. It has a fast aperture and image stabilization which can be useful in headshot photography.
    Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 L USM Lens: This lens is a classic option for headshot photography as it has a fast aperture that can produce a shallow depth of field and a pleasing bokeh.
    Profoto B10 Plus: A powerful portable flash that can be used as a key or fill light. It has a built-in reflector and can be controlled remotely with a smartphone or an Air Remote.
    Manfrotto MT055CXPRO4 055 Tripod: This tripod is perfect for supporting your camera and lenses during long photo shoots. It is built from high-quality materials and features a 90-degree center column mechanism, which allows for easy low-angle shots.
    Choose the gear that best fits your budget and needs!
    0:00 Intro
    1:00 Camera #1
    2:07 Lens #1
    4:09 Lens #2
    4:50 Lens #3
    5:12 Savage Backdrops
    6:15 Lighting #1
    7:01 Umbrella
    8:10 Beauty Dish
    8:50 Flash
    9:11 Reflector
    9:32 TriGrip
    9:49 OH MY GOD
    10:12 Lighstands
    10:30 Sandbag
    10:55 Extra Flash
    11:11 Summary
    12:15 ONE MORE THING
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Комментарии • 125

  • @smellgoodphotography7722
    @smellgoodphotography7722 Год назад +1

    Great video! With modifiers, what’s is the best modifier and position if your shooting in a room with dark walls and high ceiling

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      This depends entirely on what you’re photographing the look that you are trying to achieve so I’m not really sure how to answer this but if you’re going for like a standard headshot with a white background and a fairly clean flat light on your subject, then I like using a 2 x 3 soft box 3 feet away from my subjects, face or so. I have a whole video tutorial on different ways to light headshot sessions at thephotoinsiders.com.

  • @forgottenamericana
    @forgottenamericana Год назад

    Great video. Excellent tips. Vanessa rocks

  • @Narsuitus
    @Narsuitus Год назад +1

    Thanks for the video.
    When I do head shots, I usually use a minimum of main light, fill light, and background light.
    If I add a fourth light, it is usually a hair light. Until your video, I had never considered dual background lights. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @jeanpaulfung_
    @jeanpaulfung_ Год назад

    This was invaluable. Thank you!

  • @TersiusvanRhyn
    @TersiusvanRhyn Год назад

    This is such perfect timing as I was doing research on overhead shots the past 3 days. Thank you for sharing your indispensable information 🙏

  • @jwong7316
    @jwong7316 Год назад +1

    I do quite a few headshots lately and really enjoyed your gear talk + lighting techniques; thanks for sharing, I learned some new tricks from you!

  • @simioncosmin8038
    @simioncosmin8038 Год назад +1

    Great to have some diversity in the headshot tutorial space 🤗
    Awesome episode

  • @Snapit551
    @Snapit551 Год назад

    Such a joy to see a fantastic video from a professional 👏🏻

  • @Ranger7Studios
    @Ranger7Studios Год назад

    I usually use a good 85mm when I shoot head shots. I love the separation it gives me from subject to background.

  • @Jwitherow1964
    @Jwitherow1964 Год назад

    Nice job thanks I never have tried 2 lights on the back ground, I will definitely try it out thank you

  • @thomasbednarowski1651
    @thomasbednarowski1651 Год назад +2

    I agree that RF 2870 is a very versatile lens when it comes to portrait shots. Besides that Im using also Sigma 85mm f1.4A for the inside photos and Sigma 105mm f1.4A for the outside. They have great detail capabilities. Especially the 2nd one, which in some scenarios outperforms the look of RF 85mm f1.2L.

    • @markcunzolo1659
      @markcunzolo1659 6 месяцев назад

      I agree with the importance of having a semi-wide angle lens on hand for those on-site situations where you don't have much room. For me though, I go with the RF 24-70. I like having the f.28 and image stabilized option. However, if I have the space, I have been going with my RF 70-200 f2.8. That lens is just crazy sharp. HOWEVER, I recently picked up the RF 100 macro and that is now my ABSOLUTE lens of choice for single person portraits and headshots. Not only is this lens STUPID sharp but with dual motors, it focuses way faster than the 85 mm.

  • @davidschumannphotography6680
    @davidschumannphotography6680 Год назад

    This is always a refresher to be able to just make sure you remember what you should bring

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      true!

    • @davidschumannphotography6680
      @davidschumannphotography6680 Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy have a quinceañera this weekend or how they call it here in USA a sweet 16 and a new camera on the way here we go.

  • @stingylizard
    @stingylizard Год назад

    Really good advice in this video,including having that back up camera.

  • @therock1232100
    @therock1232100 Год назад +1

    Hahaha. Nice save on the light and mic. Great content, Vanessa!!

  • @charliegreen1989
    @charliegreen1989 Год назад

    Great video Vanessa.

  • @ElMacho0423
    @ElMacho0423 Год назад

    Thanks for the tips! I’ve always felt that lighting is super complicated

  • @AdrianBacon
    @AdrianBacon Год назад +1

    My Headshot list: R6II, backup R6, 24-105 f/4 (backup in case I can't get far enough away) 70-200 f/2.8 (primary lens). Gitzo tripod, full complement of lights. I primarily shoot headshots, and in all honesty, for me, the first order of consideration is perspective and shooting distance. I pick the shooting distance and perspective that makes the subjects nose and ears approximately the same size in the frame, then use the appropriate lens to the the composition I want. Somebody has a bigger nose and smaller ears, you're shooting from further away, smaller nose and bigger ears? You're getting up closer. I also almost never shoot more wide open than f/5.6 and am usually f/8-f/11 range because I want as much of their head as possible in focus. The whole "shoot wide open and pop them out of the background!" is not a thing the second you have to do a background replacement in post and the only thing in sharp focus is the eye closest to the camera. Talk about making your job unnecessarily more difficult. It's way better if you can have as much of them as possible in fairly sharp focus. The next thing is lighting. Again, this is a headshot, not a portrait, or an environmental portrait. Control the lighting. If you don't put a light on it, it should be black. I usually roll in with at least 5 or 6 lights (including backup lights) plus the needed stands, modifiers, etc. Backgrounds, this is simple... I use a collapsible background that is white on one side and black on the other. Savage makes it. Lastly, this is just me... but I see a lot of "headshots" that are really just portraits... A headshot is a headshot and has some pretty specific elements that makes it a headshot and not just a portrait.

    • @benharris3949
      @benharris3949 Год назад

      Love the ears/nose tip. Thanks a bunch!

    • @AdrianBacon
      @AdrianBacon Год назад +1

      @@benharris3949 Yep. Almost nobody takes it into consideration. They just throw on a 50, or 85, or 100/135 and shoot away. It's one of those subtle things that once you see it, you can't unsee it and a headshot where the subjects ears and nose and different sizes starts to look just off. It's one of those things that just subtly registers. You can literally take the same shot from three different distances of a client, one close where the nose is bigger, one where the ears and nose are the same size, and one where the ears are now a bit bigger (this can be a little hard to do unless they have a small nose and big ears) and the client will almost always pick the shot where the two are the same size if everything else is about equal. They don't know why, but that one looks better than the other ones. Well, yeah, your photographer picked a perspective that makes none of your features stand out any more than any of your other features.

    • @benharris3949
      @benharris3949 Год назад

      @@AdrianBacon I was a dedicated prime shooter, but I’ll pick up a zoom for headshots now.

  • @joronbrice
    @joronbrice Год назад

    Loved
    You've gained a new Sub!

  • @cadmus777
    @cadmus777 Год назад

    I always make sure to take this lens: my 85mm. And my 135mm. And my 24-70. And my 70-200. You're so right - you can never be sure, and even when you are, take them all anyway!!

  • @ShawnLPorterPhotography
    @ShawnLPorterPhotography Год назад

    This was right on time!

  • @brad_in_yyc
    @brad_in_yyc Год назад

    As always, informative and precise. Personal preference, I would turn one of those background lights and use it as a rim or hair light. I like the gradient. But, again, that's personal preference. And would be if the client wants a full white background or a gradient to it. I love my Sigma 85 F1.4 Art for headshots. But I definitely bring my Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 OS Art as well. Just in case. Great to see I'm on the right track!

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      exactly! I mention that option when talking about bringing three lights. It all depends on personal preference, and what your client wants for sure!

  • @Lunatflowers
    @Lunatflowers 6 дней назад

    Thank you!

  • @randyschwager2515
    @randyschwager2515 Год назад

    Excellent information! This is very helpful! I’d love to see a video of you working with both male and female headshot clients! Thanks!

  • @gavriel_adi
    @gavriel_adi Год назад +2

    לסיכום הצלחתי להבין מה כתוב לך על היד השמאלית סוף סוף 🤩
    "כי חדות ה' היא מעוזכם"
    יפה אהבתי.
    תודה רבה על הסרטון 🙏

  • @veselinvasilev9362
    @veselinvasilev9362 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @TheOneWillFocus
    @TheOneWillFocus Год назад

    For my corporate headshot clients, I will bring my 85 1.8, with my 24-70 2.8 as a backup. If i'm shooting in studio I love my 105 macro.

  • @jacephotos
    @jacephotos Год назад +1

    Love your stuff Vanessa! And here comes the But... I was a full time event photographer for longer than I care to say. Now retired and moved from CA to WA because of hubby's job. Clients gone, jobs gone, equipment sold and also went the desire to do event shooting. I live in a beautiful state and being only a few miles from the Canadian border I'm finally learning (my secret passion) landscape photography. I do take on the occasional head shot but more importantly pet photography is the most requested. I can no longer afford the equipment I depended on and would love to see your version of lower cost gear. Thanks in advance... :-)

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +2

      I have quite a few videos on this channel already with budget gear, a whole series dedicated to it in fact. :-) more coming!

  • @Narsuitus
    @Narsuitus Год назад

    Here are the lenses I use:
    85mm f/1.4 for half-length and head & shoulder
    100mm f/2.8 backup for head & shoulder shots
    105mm f/2.8 macro for tight face shots
    135mm f/2 for tight face shots
    80-200mm f/2.8 zoom backup for prime lenses

  • @EDLEEPHOTO
    @EDLEEPHOTO Год назад

    😝The "Oh My God" was on point.

  • @phelix920
    @phelix920 Год назад

    👍🏾👏🏾💐okay Sister Joy, I see you. Good video. The outfit is a good look for you. Phelix

  • @billx4266
    @billx4266 Год назад +3

    Hello pretty woman, nice video. Question, i have a eos R5, but i want one of the aps-c camera's. Which one should i take, the R10 or R7? Greetings from belgium. BTW your lens choices in this video costs arms and legs (some kidneys too) here in europe.

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Haha - who needs two kidneys anyway?
      I would go with the R7 if you can OR go with the R10 and then you have some money left over for a lens and you don’t even have to sell your kidney. By the way, the RF 85 mm F2 is a great choice as well.

    • @airjaff
      @airjaff Год назад +1

      Yea the lenses recommendations are not realistic for 90% of the public. Can get same results with way less expensive lenses.

    • @billx4266
      @billx4266 Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy Thanks for your answer ❤ Its goin to be the R7.... I can miss a kidney lol

  • @romelmurdock4187
    @romelmurdock4187 Год назад

    How are you going to place a flash on top of your camera if you do then what's triggering your lights is everything on Slave at that point by the way I definitely like those light stands at $120 not bad at all for quality

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      My flash triggers the lights ☺️

  • @pbanthonyv
    @pbanthonyv Год назад

    Pretty hefty price tag for a minimal setup, but then again I guess this isn't aimed at hackers.
    Very informative video.

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Yeah for sure, but one can replace anything with the budget equivalent 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @borgdylan
    @borgdylan Год назад

    This explains why it gets so expensive to get headshots taken. As a hobby photographer I only take pictures of myself and immediate family and use way less things. Just my M50 Mark II, SIgma 56mm f/1.4 set to f/2.8 and the Speedlite EX 430 III RT flash.

    • @borgdylan
      @borgdylan Год назад

      To clarify f/2.8 for belly and up pictures, for actual headshots I'd use f/5.6 as the widest aperture

  • @paigecfrancis
    @paigecfrancis Год назад +3

    Those backdrops are just right. Of course white and gray are out of stock rn 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +1

      try this one - I have it - it's great: adorama.rfvk.net/Ryzv7N

    • @paigecfrancis
      @paigecfrancis Год назад +1

      🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽nice. I did find them on Amazon. Which I’m sure are coming from Adorama. Time to play the waiting game 🕐🕑🕒

  • @BoReynolds
    @BoReynolds Год назад

    Vanessa, can I PLEASE ask you HOW you get such a great painted back wall in this video? RGB light or lights? Green screen? WHAT? It's not just great looking , it's pro level! Can you share the answer? I appreciate it!
    Bo

  • @johnclay7644
    @johnclay7644 Год назад +1

    informative 13mins on headshots

  • @FormlessPhotography
    @FormlessPhotography Год назад +1

    My god you are such a breath of fresh air offering REAL PERSPECTIVE on photography helping the community unlike some (one) others with bad hair calling it a fro. I don’t even shoot canon (Nikon) and can appreciate your input. Keep killing it chica! P.S. you need another “troll” video of said character above. 😉

  • @diogomartinez7991
    @diogomartinez7991 Год назад

    man you should talk about how to be in style and look good 🤗

  • @erichanford5654
    @erichanford5654 Год назад

    What are your thoughts about using a 135 like the new RF 135 1.8?

    • @mastermanphoto
      @mastermanphoto Год назад

      She actually did a review of it last year (spoiler: she absolutely loved it) ruclips.net/video/8YtTiBBFVuM/видео.html

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      for headshots? I'd likely save that for on-location shoots

    • @memcrew1
      @memcrew1 Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy what’s unique about “on location shooting” for using the 135?

    • @villageblunder4787
      @villageblunder4787 Год назад

      Space

  • @harshitamahajan1968
    @harshitamahajan1968 Год назад

    I would love to tether but most of my clients want to have their spouses help them choose so I do the online gallery. But I think I am going to tether anyway because it's better than showing the back of the camera

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Ha yeah they say that too but I let them know that’s just not how my process works. But that’s also because head shots are not my primary form of income so I don’t want them drinking on weeks and weeks while they ask everyone they know about their headshot.

  • @Pezinokrm
    @Pezinokrm Год назад

    Hi Vanessa just one thing that you forgot is camera strap sling. Cheers! 🥃

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      True! But you can’t find mine anymore 😭

  • @michael-4k4000
    @michael-4k4000 Год назад +1

    Vanessa only uses the 50mm lens, according to her videos!

  • @FrankDiNardi
    @FrankDiNardi Год назад

    What about the lights in the building? Shit them off?

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      No just start your natural light exposure with a black frame and build your lighting from there

  • @michaelm5214
    @michaelm5214 Год назад

    How about a video on headshots and minimal gear. With 6k - 8k just in lighting, the RF lens at about 3k each. A Tutorial with 1 body, 1 lens and 2 speed lights how to make that work. Thanks

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Cool idea! Check out @lastxwitness’ video doing just that: ruclips.net/video/fcOXIC6xgu4/видео.html

    • @michaelm5214
      @michaelm5214 Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy Laura BC has the best videos on working with minimal gear. Thanks for the effort

  • @truthsayers8725
    @truthsayers8725 Год назад

    nice video.
    one question though, NOT photo related...
    what is your Hebrew tattoo?

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      It’s Nehemiah 8:10 - the joy of the lord is your strength

  • @romelmurdock4187
    @romelmurdock4187 Год назад

    Expensive lighting geez😩😩😩 I understand the camera and lenses being expensive I get that but the umbrella almost $400 and a reflector 150

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +1

      Yeah it is but 25 years after my first headshot session I’ve worked my way up 😉 my biggest advice is buy USED good quality lights

  • @MikefromQueens
    @MikefromQueens Год назад +1

    28-70 is nice but lol 24-70 2.8 is fine without getting a mortgage to purchase glass

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +1

      Totally worth the mortgage tho 😜 but yea the 2.8 is a great choice too!

    • @MikefromQueens
      @MikefromQueens Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy point taken lol

  • @FrankP83
    @FrankP83 Год назад +1

    ...i will add to all this gear a JBL Boombox

  • @animestarlord9021
    @animestarlord9021 Год назад

    Head shots not really my thing. I go more for full body.

  • @neostephens8980
    @neostephens8980 Год назад

    What pro (or sem-pro for that matter) continuously hits the zoom ring "accidentally"? Just say you don't like that lens vs it's not safe - SIGH! You're beginning to sound like the Northrops when they don't like a particular piece of gear or brand of gear. IJS

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Except I do like it 🤷🏻‍♀️ you’re beginning to sound like a troll

    • @neostephens8980
      @neostephens8980 Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy Nah, not rolling, just going by what you said about the 70-200 not being safe. If I was trolling, I'd be making comments on all your videos. 😃😃

  • @gchristopherklug
    @gchristopherklug Год назад

    I love your videos because it’s ‘the real world’ and in the real world we all accidentally rack the zoom ring and your framing is then off. Sigh.

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Lol for the video?

    • @gchristopherklug
      @gchristopherklug Год назад

      @@VanessaJoy No, just your comment about why a fixed focal vs. a zoom; that sometimes you accidentally move the zoom setting. I do that and more (accidentally change iso, or aperture. Especially in a long session with 70 subjects.

  • @stephaneclaveau9736
    @stephaneclaveau9736 Год назад

    Just those Canon 1.2's and the super expensive Profoto flashes, you need a mortgage, just saying ;)

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад

      Just showing what I use 🤷🏻‍♀️ if you’re looking for alternative options I have quite a few videos here on more budget photography gear

  • @firpofutbol
    @firpofutbol Год назад

    Minimal = $20k in gear. No biggie.

  • @strippedlist
    @strippedlist Год назад

    shhhh :)))))

  • @airjaff
    @airjaff Год назад +11

    All these recommendations have priced me out of this video hah. It doesn't need to be this expensive. Forget profoto way to much. And forget thoes stupid expensive canon lenses you are not really wanting that much detail and you are going to be shooting at a high f-stop. Can do this very nicely with mid range and third party lenses.

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +6

      Absolutely! I’m just showing you what I have that I’ve bought and invested in. Replace with equivalents as necessary

    • @corykphotography
      @corykphotography Год назад +5

      Vanessa is a Canon and Profoto user, OF COURSE that is what she is going to have and use. As she is explaining, just substitute with what you've got. She says Profoto, I substitute with Flashpoint. Vanessa says Canon 85mm, I say Nikon or M.Zuiko. Toe-May-Toe // Toe-Mah-Toe.
      Just dont be so rude, airtime.
      🍎

    • @brad_in_yyc
      @brad_in_yyc Год назад +4

      @@corykphotography Hahaha. I like the apple for the teacher reference. Brilliant.

    • @corykphotography
      @corykphotography Год назад +1

      @@brad_in_yyc it is a very deserving apple lol

    • @brad_in_yyc
      @brad_in_yyc Год назад

      @@corykphotography 100% it is.

  • @shaolin95
    @shaolin95 Год назад

    Hahaha 20-70mm for headshots 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 someone has no idea how that affects the face shape. You need at least 85mm to get away from "distortion"

    • @VanessaJoy
      @VanessaJoy  Год назад +2

      This might be the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. 1. It’s 28-70, not 20. Learn your gear. 2. I said I take that lens to use if there are space issues and only use it if I have space issues and certainly would not use it at its widest part. Learn to listen. 3. Some people actually prefer to be photographed for a headshot around 50 mm because if they are self-conscious about their face being heavy and 85 mm lens or higher focal length will make their face appear wider. Learn your clients.