How to build primitive bamboo and cane arrows
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Bamboo and river cane make some of the most durable and accurate natural arrow shafts out there. Additionally, the hollow material can provide surprisingly high spine range in a pretty small diameter and light weight shaft. What this means is that bamboo and cane are the perfect arrow shaft material for extreme FOC arrows (EFOC). This video will show you how to make EFOC primitive bamboo and cane arrows.
In this video I mention another video on tuning your bow and arrow. To get the best performance possible, watch that video and follow some of the tips there to match your arrows to any longbow, recurve, or selfbow.
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I see this isn't a new video but you brough back a memories of my youth which I appreciate. You and I do almost the same thing when building arrows. I used Switch Cane for shafts and a 160 grain broad heads with a three to one ratio like yours. One of my favorite heads were the Modoc heads. A lot of people put the Modoc heads down due to the point bending. If the point is lined up with the dynamic center of the shaft it won't bend.I have taken lots of game Squirels. rabbits, deer and hogs and the only goose I ever shot at with 3 to 1 ratio blades.
I shot off the first joint of my fingers this allowed me to shoot a little lesser spined arrow than archers with a deep hook due to a extremely clean realease more so than a deep hook release. In my day, years past a lot of people thought I was a good shooter? I never thought so although I have many trophies from my tournament days. I am in my eighties now and only have memories. I hope people will follow your way of making arrows. I am courious as to the type of cane you use? I watched some Japanese archers when I went to Japan and their cane was different than mine. Ithink if my memory hasn't failed me it was called Madaki bamboo? Thank you for a well made video. We didn't have computers only a few books on archery.
Hi, I would like to know how to align point with the dynamic center of the shaft. Can you please explain it.
@@sujitgurav7465 What I did was I used a board any size but about three feet is long enough. Take four nails any size and nail two of them at an angle opposite one another forming a vee. take the other two and do the same thing about one and a half feet apart at the other end of the board your arrow will rest in the two vees. make sure the shaft is straight. Now roll your arrow with your point on but not glued. Watch the tip of your point if it warbles ajust it until the tip of your point stays in one place when you turn it. be careful while turning the arrow. if you bend the shaft the least bit you will be off. Now you can glue your point on and check it by putting it on the board again to verify that you have it straight with the dynamic center of the shaft. I also make a mark directly under the point on the board for future arrows I may make. This should get you as straight as possible. If you are using cane shafts use the spin method it is a bit slower but cane isn't as smooth as wood arrows and might give a false reading using the above method.
I used the word,"dynamic center" but meant "Physical center". I had a long bow design in my mind.
Thank you very much. I will try this method on my next set of arrows. I now learnt that the shaft needs to be perfectly straight before fixing point in it. I will also try this method on my old arrows as well. Until now I used to spin arrows on my palm, which I think is not very perfect method. Thanks again for the help.
@@sujitgurav7465Spining the arrow works but take a bit more time. I never quit trying to perfect my archery skills . I found out that the more I learned the more I found there was to know? You showed me a few things I wish I had known back then.
I made my spine tester I didn't have a chart to go by I just got an arrow that shot well and marked where the pointer was and made my arrows fit the mark. How crude it was but it worked. One thing you said that was spot on is something that seems minor and insignnificant can have an effect on how accurate you can shoot. People should take that to heart if they want to excell at archery. A tweak here and there will improve an archers accuracy. I found it ironic that to shoot well you need a fine tuned bow. The problem is a person that is trying to learn can't tune a bow easy. He is working in the dark? Once a bow is tuned to the archer things progress rapidly. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people try to spend their way to sucess and fail miserably.
A problem that haunted me a long time was I used more bow than I needed. A good example was when I flew out to Texas to hunt Hogs in the hill country. The only take down bow I had was a Jim Brackenbury."Drifter" recurve 55#draw weight. I had never taken a hog before and worried that I may be under bowed? It was the only bow I had that I could carry on the plane. Was I wrong! I shot a hog at 17steps And I saw the yellow fletching disappear in its side. I had double lunged the hog and must have severed some main vessels as he bled profusely. Needless to say he didn;t go far.
I know I get carried away with my postings, sorry!
Yes, well tuned bow is a must and archer won't have enough knowledge about tuning a bow. Well tuned arrows may work with one bow but they won't work very well with different bows. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I live in the northern Ca mountains and we have a lot of dogwood and creek cane. I love creek cane. I insert a small dowle in the front and back for nock and arrowhead. Excellent shooting arrows.
Thanks so much for this video Clay. I’m in the process of making my first set of bamboo arrows. After watching this video, I went out and made a spine tester. Very glad I did. My bamboo shafts initially spined between 55 to 64 lbs. With the spine tester, I managed to dial back that range to 57-61 😀
excellent!
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@Marco Lucas happy to help :)
excellent information - thanks Clay
Very good
I like that
Thank you for posting this video.
I've been through the comments, but could t find the following question.
Does it matter on what side of the shaft you put the odd/cock feather?
Because when I bend my bamboo, one side bends more then the other... As in the other side is more stiff.
Hope you'll reply :))
Your arrows should be equally flexible on all sides. It shouldn't matter what side you put the cock feather if it's like this.
I just got a dozen each of bamboo and douglas fir shafts. This will be my first attempt at wooden arrows. I was going to use plastic nocks but maybe I'll try some of these self nocks. I picked up several valuable tips here thank you! The bamboo arrows should be especially good for small game hunting but I'm curious to see how the two wood types compare in strength. Also, I copied your design for a sanding jig because my pencil sharpener style would not work on bamboo. Works great! Thank you!
You can build a bow with a $20 draw knife and a $15 Rasp, and a couple pieces of cheap sandpaper, but if you want to build arrows?! That’s when you really start spending the money. Feather burners, fletching jigs, tapering tools, disk sanders, the list goes on. Funny how that works! Great videos man I’ve really been enjoying everything and I just got my copy of the bowyers handbook from you. Can’t wait to build my first bow! When are you going to teach a class around Texas sometime?
That's nice idea to make cute bamboo arrow. Thank for helpful video.
I am not yet familiar with bamboo, so thank you for this very informative video.
Tu peux aussi utiliser les phragmite qui polluent les autoroutes du Quebec
Sérieusement? Je suis un peu curieux sur la tolérance de ce matériel.
@@sebastienraymond3648 c'est assez résistant si tu choisis un bon diamètre. Mais comme l'explique Clay Hayes, tu dois absolument mettre un bout de bois dans les extrémités du roseau car c'est une partie très fragile. Je n'ai jamais mis de selfnocks sur des flèche en phragmites... à voir
Merci pour ces informations vraiment précieuse sur le phragmite. Tu as vraiment réussit à piquer ma curiosité. :-)
@@sebastienraymond3648 Te souviens tu de moi, je fabrique des selfbows je t'avais posé des questions sur les flèche en automne
Do you put your feathers with a twist on the shaft or you glue them straight on?
Great Video as always, keep pls going on :D And thanks for share your knowlegde with us.
Grettings from Germany
they are straight fletches but angled across the shaft a little.
Thanks Brother Very Cool 😎👍💯
Great video! Excited to make some of these soon!
The power tool taper jig I think is by Wood Chuck. I works by setting up on a sanding disc and does good
Where do you get your bamboo and cane shafts ?
Thank you for the vid. It was very educational.
Thanks iam moving to bamboo.for my yellowstone bow.
Hi, thanks for such an informative video. I want to know what difference does skewers make in bamboo arrows. I want to know if there will be any difference in shooting arrows with or without skewes. Also, can you make a video on how to straighten bamboo arrows and how to remove nodes or bumps on them.
Where do you get the arrow shafts from or do you make them yourself? Most bamboo sticks are crooked. How do you get them then?
I match my bamboo arrows by weight So 30-32 gram arrows and I can make a tight group with them.
Regards, friend, would bamboo arrows with a diameter of 8 mm serve me for hunting? are they faster?
Actually since I plan on making arrows and selling them with my Flatbows at a local Saw Mill of all things I am concerned about consistency.
I had not priced the spine measuring tool, but I do want something similar so that quality goes with the product.
I am thinking that creating a tool that supports an arrow at two points 28 inches apart with a 880 gram weight deflecting the shaft and a indicator set up so that it magnifies the actual deflection may not be terribly hard.
Even if you fail to coincide with the the 350 that corresponds with 350 thousands of an inch deflection as long as your scale remains constant you can still maintain consistency is my general thought.
what type broad head do you prefer and why?
I like the heavier (190 grain plus) single bevel heads like Meatheads, Cuttroat, Abowyer, etc.
So your cane comes with the nodes ground and chutes straightened?
Ive done some with local harvest, straightening each chute and filing the nodes. I love working Boo arrows! Pretty sure that was one of the known uses when the universe designed this plant lol.
Pretty much. This is tonkin cane so it's a little different than the native river cane. The nodes are really small.
“Extreme FOC arrows”...Dr. Ed Ashby intensifies
greetings friend... I was able to see your video of the bamboo arrows.. 👍... I did not understand well why it is in English... but I place the arrowheads in a vertical direction, that is, with the leaves perpendicular to the ground ...but did you explain something about placing them horizontally...is it so they fly better? what would be the best way? regards
Nays make.🏹😃
Hola que tal muy bueno seria tambien si lo mostraras mas de serca ok de Argentina gracias
I would like to watch you hunt with it
Guys please whats FOC?
Balance point is "F.orward O.f C.enter
great looking arrows! thanks for the vid
How are the bamboo shafts compared to...... carbon , wood in durability ? thanks for the vid .
The ones I got from China are comparable to POC. Dustin Black sells better ones on some of the Primitive archery Facebook groups.
I've tested wood vs bamboo. Bamboo was more durable. Carbon obviously is the best in durability.
Thanks guys ....I use carbon but do have some aluminum as well I shoot targets with.
Hi there clay,thankyou so very much for all your wonderful videos,please could you give me some advice on what would be the best spine of bamboo arrow for a 37lb English Longbow and also what would be the best FOC for a 28 to 30" shaft?
Many thanks and I look forwards to more of your brilliant videos
Hi Simon, it’s hard to say. It depends on you draw length, tip weights, etc. There are a few videos in the Shooting and Tuning playlist on that will help answer your questions.
Great video
Great video, thanks for posting. I’ve wanted to try bamboo arrows for a while now, any suggestions for where I could buy some shafts?
Dustin Black sells them on some of the Primitive archery Facebook groups.
Could you use a copper pipe cutting tool that you use in plumbing to score anchor cut the shaft much safer
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Do you seal the bamboo shafts in your dip tube like you do with your other shaft materials?
You could but the shafts I have are already sealed so no need.
Hello Clay, where do you buy or get your river cane?
I cut rivercane in Florida. These are bamboo shafts though. I made a big order from Olay Bamboo in China.
I see them on the website but do not see a way to order them?
@@clayhayeshunter will a bamboo arrow have the same deflection as wood
What broadheads are these
I guess I don't understand what you mean by orienting growth rings in a wooden arrow shaft perpendicular to the bow. They are concentric RINGS. There's no perpendicular in a round arrow shaft made from a wooden plant stem as far as I know. Now there may be basically one orientation of wood grain in a wooden dowel cut from a larger piece of branch or log. Perhaps that's the kind of arrow shaft you're talking about.
I know that the GPI isn't going to be a set number even within the same shaft due to the tapering, but about how much weight would you reasonably be able to get as a 33" shaft without sticking anything into the center?
The weight of these shafts varies from about 370 - 550 grains. You have to sort them into matched groups.
Great video. Do you test-shoot your homemade arrows prior to hunting, or do you already know they are going to fly as expected?
I never hunt with arrows that I haven't shot extensively.
Do you have trouble with broadheads remaining stuck in your targets? Any tips for the best targets to use with homemade arrows with broadheads would really be appreciated.
@@clayhayeshunter is the a such thing as bamboo arrow shafts that are spined from 30-70 sounds like a bunch of bs to me unless the makes are measuring deflection a different way i could be wrong
You say that you can add weight with shot or nails.. but surely it depends on the weight being equally distributed rather than just getting the right reading on the scales...I mean , do you add weight to the nock end or pile end .?
Surely it needs to be an equally distributed weight ?
Dont call me Shirley
Have you ever tried rapping a bow in leather braces
could you sand the bamboo shaft to reduce the weight further, to reduce the bumps and straighten it further without taking away from the strength of the shaft?
If you sand the nodes down you would weaken it there.
Thank you for the nice video! I need to buy some shafts from China, can you suggest me a seller that ship to Italy? Ps I have just bought your book, a really nice Book!
I got mine from Olay Bamboo company.
They grow bamboo in the southern United States, may be more convenient to buy from there.
If you have already bought bamboo from China I'd be curious to know how much you spent. I live in China and bamboo is very cheap here.
@@clayhayeshunter I went to Oulay bamboo site. Did not find any pricing or ordering instructions. Do I need to contact them by email with a request or is there a distributor in the states?
@@clayboy333 It grows in southern Indiana. Cleaning up some and getting ready to straighten it.. What diameter for 45-50 bow?
Are those 5/16s? Where can you get 190 grains tips of that size? I’m struggling to get heavier points for my bamboo shafts.
My field points are larger than the shafts but it causes no problems for me.
Just buy heavier arrows
Would making a cane arrow be similar?
yes
I would like to buy a bow from you
How big in diameter are those shafts?
about 5/16 inch
Where do you get the shafts?
Surewood shafts
@@clayhayeshunter thank you!!
What book is that on your work bench?
Yes, I refer to it daily...
Hi Clay, where do you buy your bamboo shafts? Thanks for your videos.
French bowhunter.
There is a fellow named Dustin Black selling them on some of the Primitive archery Facebook groups.
Jerome biscar tu peux aller sur webarcherie, un forum dédié aux passionnés de facture d'arcs il y a une section d'échange où tu pourras acheter des shafts ( plusieurs administrateurs sont très sympa)
Can you name some of the primitive archery groups you’re apart of? I want to dive deeper into all things primitive:)
@@eddielopez6796 for french trad bow hunter there is webarchery and archasse . For people who talk in english, i know that there is stonehill selfbows and paleoplanet. If you want more just write primitive bows on google ( ;
Miles Archery thank you sir!
Do you make arrows for people and if so I would like 24 for my 60lb at 32".
I don’t. You can get them from 3Rivers archery.
@@clayhayeshunter okay thank you
Heating broadhead with lighter for at least a minute
*casually touches broadhead to explain something*
Goes on with heating broadhead
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD SURELY PUT YOUR PAINT ON IT FOR THE TRIBE.
I don't crest any of my arrows.
when I cut my feathers down the seam like everyone says the center of the feathers I purchase the center is partly hollow and don't glue well and do not make good fletchings so it is a waste of money
I think you'd need to sand down that base (the one half of the seam) first for the thinnest and flattest surface possible before gluing
That is how you do it though. You can cut one end then literally peel the spine away or whatever then glue but when you glue use string to make sure it glues well and evenly.
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No
No what lol
Primitive arrows: NOT! no primitive man had the tools you used.
Primitive in style, not construction
Traditional made with nothing but modern tools, cool. I like to make em as modern as I can to match my carbon matched limbs on my Trad bow; that I never have to worry about its performance. I.always loved to see the self bow folks as they drive up in their $80,000 4x4 s. Clay is one of the few good self bow bowyers out there. I just think not using modern Trad gear is a loss for the hunter.
Why would you care? Why dont you just use a crossbow, or a compound since they out perform trad bows in nearly every way? Not that I care, I hunt using my self bow and wooden arrows I make using only my teeth and a few sharpened bone scraps
@@troy9327 no need to wad your panties there little fella. It's all good as everyone can do what ever level of replication and impersonation of archery they want. My point is that there are actual period bowyers who make at period equipment and that is respectable. My point to use modern materials in a trad bow provides me the simplicity and dependability of modern materials with the attributes of what positives trad archery brings to the table. I spent a year in South Korea studying their bow building and found a historical bias in bow building, I also grow Osage and Black locust for staves for friends on my small ranch. We all laugh at our selves when we make traditional bows smoking modern cigars flown in from Cuba. Go fling some arrows.
@@msb2948 I dont wear panties, I wear elk hide loin cloths, and in the comfort of the hollowed out log I call home, nothing at all. You were the one who had a problem with Clay using modern tools. I think its strange that you make fun of people using modern tools to make traditional gear, while you have no problem using modern materials to make traditional gear. Fun fact, I bushcrafted this phone im watching youtube on from nothing more than Sinew, a shed antler, and a lttle elbow grease.
@@troy9327 I like your simple sense of humor and youthful niave sarcasm, but you obviously are reading more in to My opinion than logical context should have been interpreted. Trad is a big umbrella and I stand by what I said about self bows in that the juice ain't worth the squeeze in general but modern Trad is broadly more useful, unlike your feelings that got hurt because of my opinion. Self bows are a novelty not unlike bamboo fly rods, if you actually use them enough in real outdoor pursuits, advancing to modern technologies and materials is the most common path. On your elk panties, did you brain tan it or use modern formulas?
@@msb2948 Glad you appreciate my sense of humor, its kept me going for over 70 years. I had no idea that it was possible to type with a posh british accent until I read your comments, you write the way I would imagine the monopoly man would talk, impressive actually. And not sure if you can not read, but I wear elk hide LOIN CLOTHES, of considerable length. Weird how interested you are in my underwear, but im not surprised.
Misleading title. Should be more like "how to use cane and build some arrows with a fully equipped workshop".
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There's a helpful RUclips video called; DIY Spine Tester!
sorry but this is not primitive, it is very technically demanding
There was nothing primitive about this video. Please stop using false buzzwords to get views
i have a girlfriend that tests how stiff the shaft is
classy
@@clayhayeshunter no-more ass-y but i like it
@@clayhayeshunter Always gotta be a Knot Head in the bunch. Thank you for keeping it family friendly.