Pipeline: The Surf Coaster Analysis SeaWorld Orlando New for 2023 Stand Up Coaster
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- SeaWorld Orlando finally announced their new roller coaster, and it's in the form of Pipeline, the worlds first Surf Coaster by B&M! The ride is the next generation stand up coaster, with seats that 'bounce' the mimic the feeling of riding a wave. It's sure to be a super unique ride experience!
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This is one of those rides that you don't go to the park because it's there, but you'll definitely ride it when you are, if that makes sense.
Exactly. It's a good filler thrill coaster. Like the Superman: Ultimate Flight clones, only this'll have better capacity and should be way more comfortable if trains get stacked
Exactly!! People will go for Mako, but will 100% ride Pipeline too!
A.K.A. Crowd Control attraction.
It's just okay, but has superb capacity to entice people enough. I won't be surprised if it would be a "people pleaser", apart from insane height requirement ofc
Capacity seems about average though.
@@coasternamegenerator5611 Looks like around 1200 pph
But it's B&M we talked about, this is already on realistic capacity anyway. Not controlled-condition capacity like Intamin uusally advertised
I'm mostly interested to see how the "bouncing" seats impact airtime. Will it make it better by giving more of a feeling of lifting off, or will it make it worse by being a bit painful when the seats bounce up and down?
There's actually a rather smooth dueling stand-up coaster in Japan called Milky way at Greenland (He made a review of the park but not the coaster weirdly) and there's one airtime hill that literally makes you "bounce" (cause the seat also springs) and ur feet literally goes up in the air. It truly makes it so fun and terrifying cause it floating. I rode it before and it's definitely a 11/10. Oh and it didn't hurt either so I'm pretty interested in this addition!
I think most people overlook something really important in this new train design. Yes on one hand the up and down movement will mimik the movement of a surfer on a board, but what it will also do is increase the leg angle the more Gs you pull, which in turn means more of your weight will be supported by your butt instead of your feet and crotch. In High G moments, this coaster will feel more like a sitdown coaster than a standup. I think this will make it work compared to the old train design. But again, we´ll have to wait and see.
Yep. If one of these pulls 4 Gs, it's basically a #SquatCoaster
@@brianfoss571 lmao😂
Can we just say it now. For us dudes it will be #crotchcrusher 😂
@@theruleoffire Pretty sure the restraint will have something that's more like a bike seat than the old design, haha
@@brianfoss571 my gooch really hopes that is true
Gotta remember B&M almost never build some huge ride as the prototype. For a prototype its a very good addition. If the suspension on the seat works well it could really catch on
I'd compare this ride to Air/Galactica at Alton Towers, it's a test of the new model. This also applies a lot to Oblivion and Raptor (Gardaland) as well.
The only real outliers are the prototype models for the floorless, Inverted Hyper, however with the later two that's mostly because they're basic sit-down models at their core, so they could go crazy.
Batman the Ride on the other hand was a risk that could have EASILY backfired on them.
@@AceAviations2 Exactly. Its the next Air/Oblivion/Raptor. Alton being my local park i know that the prototypes arent always incredible but are all fun rides
The moving seats really could be a game-changer, especially if they put them on sit-down models. Just imagine airtime moments enhanced by the seats pushing you up in addition to the negative Gs.
Facts I was thinking the same thing
Moving seats on sit-down models would be just as stupid as the S&S Axis.
You could have the seats move up during airtime moments, or you could just change the profiling of the hills.
I'm kind of glad the layout isn't too intense, because standup coasters tend to really hurt your legs with strong forces. The bouncing seats will probably alleviate some of that as well. It's best for B&M to play it safe for their first one in case it's not a pleasant experience, because that would be much worse with high Gs
I am a big fan of this concept. I do think SWO needs a properly good family coaster, and they desperately need a VelociCoaster competitor. The surf coaster looks cool visually and will be an overall good fit for the park.
I completely agree with you !
You wouldn't say mako is like a velocicoaster competitor?
@@kraftykay4276 not even close
They should put in a water tunnel, similar to the one at the finale of Poseidon’s Adventure at Islands of Adventure. Have the coaster go through a legit wave pipeline. I’m not sure if it is viable outdoors, but that would be another feature to bring publicity to the ride.
The shocks in the seats are totally going to be a revolution. Taking the forces off your legs in high-g moments which is one of worst parts of standups (worst being your naughty bits getting crushed.) Hell, could add extra negative gees to an airtime hill too. 1:10 Going to be fantastic to be able to walk around the lake now. Really needs a flat somewhere in that plaza though. An S&S swing over the water or launch tower in middle of one of helixes. I really don't think it's going to be a popular coaster though. Bad move in my opinion. Cool concept.
I was iffy about it at first until I remembered it's a B&M, possibly the most risk averse coaster company there is at the moment. I'm guessing if people go into this with their expectations set, B&M will deliver the exact ride they're promoting it as.
1) I think its cool that they're doing something to differentiate themselves from the other Orlando Parks 2) I think the floating seats are going to make it much more comfortable than the old style stand up coasters. 3) I'm just glad that Sea world is actually building rollercoasters now. I remember a time when they had ZERO coasters.
after blackfish or whatever the shamu documentary was they had to come up with something really quick
I just hope they don't keep removing all of their smaller rides for coasters, or removing the whole ocean element. They've already removed the penguin ride and the artic ride, and I do miss the Christmas village area. I love coasters but I've always liked that seaworld had different things.
The only SeaWorld park with a good coaster collection is SeaWorld Orlando.
San Antonio has Steel Eel, which has strong ejector-airtime but isn't super comfortable, and Great White, a Batman: The Ride clone.
And the best ride at San Diego is Emperor, an B&M Dive coaster.
Both parks would benefit from 200 ft tall B&M Hypers.
There are no other similar coasters in the area, and they would really put these parks on the map.
I’m glad to see B&M doing something new again! The stand-up coaster honestly is a decent concept, it was just never executed the best, partly cuz I don’t think the tech was quite there yet to make it all that enjoyable. Now with over 20 years having passed, I’d imagine the experience will be superior. And need I mention B&M doing another launch?! Thunderbird showed us they know how to do it right
I could end up being wrong but I actually think this is gonna be really cool
I work at seaworld Orlando, we have been hearing rumors it might open sometime around March 2023
It might feel really fun having your feet start to get lighter as they lift off the board in negative G moments (I know it won't be anything crazy, but still). I definitely can't wait to check this thing out, and I'm glad to see SeaWorld Orlando continue to expand their park with rides.
This is actually more exciting the more you think about it
They’re testing out this concept; don’t expect a super crazy layout for a first of its kind coaster type; especially since it’s such a unique design.
Rode it yesterday! I like it. Feet came off the deck a couple times, and on the banks, you can feel the down force in your legs.
I have been saying for awhile now I feel it's time for a stand-up coaster renaissance. A focus on airtime and hangtime could be amazing on a stand-up, while the old adage of positive gs just hurt everyone's legs. The other thing is the seating, if you remove/fix the bicycle seat it could possibly be comfortable AND fun.
Welp I think this exceeded everyones expectations
Variety is the spice of life! I know roller coaster enthusiasts want extreme thrills. I love intense coasters. However, as I age I have a greater appreciation for less intense coasters that are interesting, different, and fun. This seems like it could be that.
I'm into it. I'll be there day 1.
If a success, I wonder if these trains can be retrofitted to current B&M floorless coasters a bit like what they did with Mantis/Ragarou
My friend just rode it and said it’s the second best ride in the park
Standups were pretty beloved for a time, the problem is that they were very uncomfortable. If this works well, it solves the comfort problem.
"something different" Manta is a flying coaster!
I can’t wait to ride
Imagine how poop yourself moment when persons feet goes off the ground over some airtime. This idea is great. Cheer up Taylor
I think the most unique thing is honesty how it's only 2 sears across, I'd assume they weren't going all out for capacity on this one.
I was just at sea world a few days ago it was amazing to see pipeline! It wasn't running or testing but I think the trackwork is complete
I'm excited about this new ride if only for the restraints it'll use. I think if SeaWorld can more or less approximate the sensation of "surfing" (albeit facing the wrong way) it'll be a really cool experience that people will get excited to try out, just like the novelty of "flying" on Manta. I just hope it's been tested to make sure it actually fixes the problems with previous standup coasters 😅
I wonder if their gonna do a lift standup again
Coaster enthusiasts always want more and never enthusiastic or enthused when they get more 😂
My thoughts..... You roller coaster enthusiasts are so critical of just sheer fun that you can't seem to appreciate what was developed for the majority of folks who are going to enjoy the experience. There Taylor, I said it.
Makes my knees hurt to even think about riding this.
they just got ice breaker, now this? i gotta go
That ride looks awesome
To me I think it would have been a better idea to try and angle the seat sideways to mimic surfing even more.
Probably not safe
I wonder if jumping increases airtime
If Thunderbird didn't exist, SeaWorld would have ordered the first launched wing coaster. But Holiday World beat everyone to the punch, so they had to come up with another "first." Despite the higher height requirement, I think Pipeline will help a lot of coaster rookies get comfortable with going upside down. It's the "Icebreaker" for inversions, if that makes sense. And SeaWorld wouldn't have added a coaster with such a basic layout if they didn't already have 4 or 5 thrill coasters. Pipeline straddles (pun intended) the middle ground between Hagrid's and Velocicoaster, and since it's right in the front of the park, I don't think standing will be a huge issue for the GP. Most riders will get in line first thing in their day. As for a true family coaster, I'd love to see a Gravitykraft in the Antarctica section themed to Shackleton's Endurance voyage. Hope that's the next priority for the park after focusing on the Arctic and former Shamu area.
I would think that if someone has their knees locked and the the seat goes down and the over the shoulder harness compresses you it could cause injury. I cant see how they could prevent this happening given so many unique leg lengths to deal with.
That concerns me, too. If someone already has bad knees, and this thing forces them to bend their knees, when they're not willing or able, could cause problems.
Just think if they turned the seats where you are facing outwards like you are on a surf board. I think they would make a unique ride experience.
I believe a family dark ride over a coaster would be a great addition but we know how that turned out for San Diego.....
I completely agree with your thoughts. If I were designing the layout, I would’ve definitely made it longer with more intense elements (like a WAVE turn and ejector airtime). It’s funny really. You’d think that the world’s first SURF COASTER would have a WAVE turn.
I'm with you on the excitement level. I've actually never ridden a stand up and never really been interested because of all the negative comments I've heard about them(Plus I'm old and got old knees to go with it). So while I'm intrigued, im not dying to rush out and ride it like Gwazi.
Sea World: adds a new extreme amazing roller cosater
Taylor: Literally no one asked lol
I can forgive the layout due to it being a prototype with trains that haven been used before, for a comparison look at Air/Galactica at Alton Towers, that ride has a simple layout as well because it was the first B&M flyer.
This will be a good testbed for how the new restaurant system works, something that future Surf Coasters will likely expand upon like the B&M flyers did.
Best case, this will do for stand up coasters what FLY did for flying coasters: make the concept not suck and be a brilliant showcase for the new gimmick. But I'm skeptical it's going to do that. My feeling is that it will just be alright. I think it's gonna be their Cheetah Hunt. Just a weird mishmash of a coaster that never commits to being fully one thing or fully another, and that looks more extreme than it is. CH does manage to be popular somehow, so maybe this will work for the park. Maybe it'll even catch on. Between this and the upcoming Merlin projects, B&M seem to be going smaller and smaller these days.
I'm still seeing the gentlemen's gooley-squashing harness arrangement.
Really no one is talking about the thumbnail of this video? 🤣. You put the word "Analisys" in the right spot, fantastic
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With how safe B&M tends to play it, I don't feel like they would make a new coaster model if they didn't feel it had some potential. Feeling the seats lift up as you crest an airtime hill sounds pretty sick. It seems like it would replicate the feeling you'd get from jumping in an elevator as it stops going up, but way more intense.
I 100% agree with everything you said
I think the most interesting thing about this is B&M putting a launch on a coaster for the first time ever. They've been so slow to innovate. Is this a sign of B&M trying to get more experimental?
It will be interesting to see how seat compliance affects airtime. Will you be able to have feet lift off the ground if you have upward momentum? I doubt it but that would be super weird and interesting.
I think with the seats moving, if they really do give quite a bit on airtime hills, we could be seeing the best airtime out there and a one of a kind experience for it. Just a thought!
I Love B&M
Sea World Orlando has their headliner coasters, this seems like a great supporting coaster… Ice Breaker seems like a miss to me, they should have just gone for a family ride… with the high height requirement it’s not even a “transitional coaster” for kids
Agreed
I couldn’t agree more. Reminds me so much of the mantis at cedar point…no one liked it so they eventually changed it to a sit down coaster. My thing is…if you stand in line for hours to ride a coaster you want to sit down!!!
I’m excited for this coaster regardless of you being mean about it
Who's being mean about it? It's ok to not be super excited about every single roller coaster lmao
Hopefully the moving seats will prevent the nut crushing…
I can see all the nets on those pathways now. It might feel like a discovery zone playground.
I’m curious how much each rider can change the experience by crouching or jumping along the ride layout. Seems like you make be able to modify the ride experience yourself!
I think most of you got it wrong , the pull outs at the bottom of a hill will put more force on your legs [[ not in the seat ]]
WITH THE SEAT GOING DOWN , HOW CAN IT GIVE YOU MORE SUPPORT ????
In the animation ---
NOTICE -- THAT EVERYBODIES KNEES ARE BEND ::::::
Your legs will NOT be strait but BENT , even at rest ....
I wonder if there’s a 4 train concept out there that other parks could buy to their standard standup trains rather than doing the floorless conversion.
I think if done right this thing could offer the most unique airtime experience.
I personally love their new plan to be Orlando's Roller Coaster Capitol. I do agree it's a strange addition but if they add a new dark ride/coaster in wild artic and a family launch roller coaster like wave breaker they would have a very decent line up. I am a season pass holder and the perks are great. Really love what they are doing to this park.
What happens in four five years when the shocks become rough as hell?
The hangtime on the inversion could be surprising especially with the new seats as well as some of the low to the ground elements, but if those don't carry the ride will probably be mid.
Soooo…. What happens when a rider locks their legs straight - knee, hip and ankle injuries galore?
Orignally I thought a "surf coaster" would have you rotating side side to side like a half pipe manouver. What if on this design your feet come flying up off the floor during certain elements? I'm excited to see what happens with this one.
I like the concept of this, but I too agree that the trains look a little weird and the hydraulics for the seats kinda scare me. If Hershey is planning on opening the new Wildcat next year, this might get overlooked by a lot of enthusiasts. Hopefully I get down to Orlando sooner than later to experience all the new coasters.
Seaworld Orlando is the land of B&M
I love the name of that inversion
Will you be making a video about King Islands announcement?
No one asked for another B&M here but here we are haha. It all comes down to the trains in the end.
Well intamin has universal on lock so... Yeah.
@@lastone032085 yeah their options were slim form a launch coaster. They wanted to go with something unique I'm sure.
I like how half of the word "analysis" in the thumbnail is covered up by the video duration thing. It makes it looks like it's saying something naughty. XD
Please take a look at the viseo “Get bit by king cobra standup coaster” which describes the development of the Togo standup coaster. The seat and restraint are phenomenally similar to the ones shown on Pipeline, complete with shock absorbers. And there’s no bike seat thing. It’s just a little flat seat. I’m trying to figure out from the cartoon whether they’re doing the same thing on pipeline. I only got to ride king cobra a couple of times back when it was new, and I remember really liking it, and then I’ve never been able to figure out why I hate B& M stand ups so much. It seems that they took a lot from Togo developing these new trains, including two across seating, the wide open cars, and the restraints, as well as the shock absorbers.
Springs are usually used to help adjust the seat, but then it locks. I presume this will have some of both, effectively.
I rode Shockwave @KD not Cobra, but Togo standups had a bit of airtime and also a forward and back whipping sensation over hills. Didn't do so well on curves but weren't many either. It's like they looked at what in their coasters could actually be improved by standing up and put that in. B&M standups -- so far -- grind your ears and legs with curves and other positive G forces. I can actually enjoy Lantern with a hoodie up, but 1 ride only and that straight drop with no air is tragic.
According to that RUclips video, the seats didn’t lock, but continued to allow motion throughout the ride. I don’t know if that carried over to King Cobra, or if that was just the prototype in the video, but it just seems remarkably similar.
@@suzanneeschenbach742 Just looked at that, love the "surpasses common sense", appears to be Togo promotional video. There are springs visible, and something about flexible, but doesn't say they're connected, I can't see any up down of the seats either. May be marketing/translation.
I think two-across stand-up roller coasters look fantastic off-ride. Really excited about this ride. Will be a draw for me to the park.
I'm just curious how much pressure riders will feel on their legs, with the constant bouncing up and down.
It looks like a cool design, but I would probably be too scared to ride it since I'm not much of a roller coaster person. It's fun to watch others ride it though
Same
The next rollercoaster model for this (if this surf coaster/train configuration is successful) would be to have the rider sideways.... the way you really ride a surfboard 🏄
I don't like stand-up coasters but this might be cool
It’d be super cool if the restraints were free floating and you’d float up into the air for floater and ejector moments
Could this come to K.I.?
Intriguing addition indeed 🤨
I'm not convinced the Surf Coaster model makes sense from a business perspective.
1- B&M basically forgoes one of its main selling points (big capacity).
2 - B&M also positions itself in a market segment - LSM launch coasters - already saturated by its competitors (Intamin, Vekoma, Mack to name a few).
3 - Last but not least, B&M reintroduces a product that isn't popular at all in its biggest geographical client base - China. To my knowledge, Chinese parks have not built any stand-up coasters EVER.
Obviously Chinese parks do not seem a sustainable prospect nowadays because travel ban + market maturation.
I'd really love to know what led both SeaWorld and B&M to create this new model. Do they expect other parks to build many Surf Coasters afterwards?
Wait and see...
I think it would be so cool when the Position would be sidewards and the coaster Kind if mild with bunny hops and a lot of curves. Than you would truly feel like surfing
Can you make a video on most and the least rides opening on time in a park
The way I view the bouncing seats is in the same vain I view S&S Axis models. The track layout isn't anything extraordinary, but relies on train mechanics to alter the ride experience (hopefully distinctively different than a traditional standup/sitdown)
If RMC made this, taylor would sound alot more excited. Which says all you need to know
RMC is super overrated
I disagree. Anyone trying to bring back the stand up coaster would have me scratching my head. There's a reason they lost popularity.
the seats should be at closer to 90 angle to the "board" to mimic surfing better
I think it would be cool if a company were to do a comfortable stand up coaster with a layout like panthion or something similar.
Or if the seats were sideways to simulate the feel of actually riding on a board
I’m also just so confused why the layout has the break run along the entrance?? So as you’re getting to the park, rather than seeing this roller coaster going crazy, you’re instead seeing a bunch of people just standing there waiting to go back to the station???
It just doesn’t feel weird to stand up on a coaster it also looks very weird
I feel moving up and down while the train is moving will feel funny but will also help with uncomfort
Looks cool to me. If they're not blasting "Pipeline" by The Chantays from the station all day, I'll be disappointed. Maybe when the train pulls back into the station, they could switch to "Wipe Out" by The Surfaris. Woudn't that be gnarly, dude?
Can you do an analysis of Kings Island’s new Adventure Port?
Why is everyone making videos about this now? They released basically the same video in June. This is the same video except they included the name and that it will open in the spring. This isn’t a big deal. It’s not new information.
This is their formal announcement with all the details released.
I like stand up coasters… but the only ones I’ve ridden are Georgia Scorcher and Riddler so guess thats why lol
I think the name sounds like a water slide name. It’s really going to take some getting used to. Isn’t the most uncomfortable part of stand up coasters the positive G moments? I don’t know if “bouncing” with negative Gs will necessarily fix that. Maybe they designed the layout to have very minimal positive Gs, but at that point.. why didn’t they just build a family coaster? I don’t even think any of those airtime hills will give airtime. Maybe the launched speed hill. Idk man this seems like a big risk. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is widely considered to be the worst thrill ride in the park. My most anticipated moment is probably the inversion. I wonder if the seats will float up with the hangtime in that moment? That could be a cool sensation.
The most hated thing about stand-up coasters for a lot of guys is that seat being right on the junk, and now the seat is going to lift you up by it?!?! How did anyone think this was a good idea? Also, if someone has their knees locked out and the seats go down, what happens -- does it just break their kneecaps?