They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played. Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
@@aslemartinsen5284 I mean that's quite dishonest from the English speaking community to point "French kids" as raging, etc etc. I've been a passive on&off LoL player for 10 years, was always insulted for being French speaking by English speakers, obv most of the time for no reasons. The drama here is a stack of, a huge fanbase, a continuous discrimination between eng fr, and some "ultras" being clearly too much, communities that fell on KC at each of their games. It's a clearly unhealthy scenario but I don't see it changing by banning a few people supposed to be at the center of this toxicity drama on twitter. It's (imo) deeper than that, rooted in cultural differences. About Kameto, he explained the drama multiple times and quite extensively on stream, condemning toxicity, explaining that T1 didn't take the boo badly and would jump on any occasions to remake a KCX type of event (apparently the CEO even asked him tips to hold such a big community). People made a fuss about it for quite nothing, but I guess that's how social media works, toxic by essence. Might be one of the reasons too imo, twitter by itself. The lack of moderation, what is has become in general with porn and violence. Probably will (and was) never the healthiest social media to use to get the nice part of fanbases interacting with each other. Btw, G2 story is far worse than toxicity
@@aslemartinsen5284 wth do you mean by publicly disowning that sounds like even bigger toxicity through civil wars. Several people aren't just individuals but people followed by hundred of accounts
Back when KC just came to the LEC, Caedrel was one of the few non Blue Walls members that defended them & initially he shuts down KC hates in his chat regularly whenever KC got shit on (they lose A LOT btw so when I say regularly it really is a VERY FREQUENT occurance) The fact that someone like that still got threats from KC fans & made him change his opinion on them within THE SAME YEAR says SO MUCH about their community. Caedrel simply can't take, justify & keep defending none of their bullshit anymore. Those blue bastards just goes rabid on whoever says even the *slightest* negative thing about them, regardless if it's objective or not. Blind hate all around, but when negativity came from within their Blue Walls they bats an eye & defend them, then not blame them, not even for a lil bit. That's why shit like this keeps happening & none of them stopped! let alone decreasing. Zero accountability behind anonimity & numbers behind crowd mentality. Hell, they'll even hide behind those "few bad apples" bullshit & none of the "Good ones" will make those "bad minorities" take responsibility at all. Yet they wonder why they get hated so much "for being French" despite French teams & players already existing in the League LONG before them but never even got close to the same amount of sheer unanimous spite towards a single community of people.
@@aHat69i don't think Caedrel got threats until recently with this drama but what made him change his opinion is the kc fans reactions against lyncas, saken, targamas and other players because they were playing bad or for lyncas they felt betrayed by the way he left. I'm a kc fan, i was mad with the way lyncas left but the way he doesn't deserve the hate and i agree that a lot of kc fans are problematics. On twitter yk there is the community thing and ofc there is one for KC fans and even within there are toxic fans being annoying with roster changes, "this player so bad" and all this toxic stuff so they made a new community named "KC without dumbass" ( or something like that ) and there the toxic fans are banned when we see them but there are too many because like a lot of us say there are too many of them and we can't really deal with all of them. But we still are part of KC and when someone insults KC we want to defend it, we know there are problems in KC community but we are also part of that community
Gotta love how their 'own' is that Cadreal didn't understand it as a joke at first but they didn't stop and think 'hey maybe there's something wrong with this community everyone's first instinct is to expect the worst from us'.
Whats so crazy to me is that kc fans always say, its just a small amount of ppl and we always point toxicity in our community out. The L1mitless guy who made the "joke" is an admin in their Twitter community and is known for being insanely toxic and disgusting, i have him blocked for a long time. All these big kc accounts get 10k likes for super toxic tweets and all the higher ups of kc do is put out a tweet once every 2 months and nothing else, while these huge accounts go around on twitter and non of them give a shit. The toxic ppl are not the minoriti of the community and even if so, they are the by far loudest and the org + rest of the community does not give 2 fucks about these ppl
They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played. Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
@@schmorman773 You just explained in your own comment that these accounts are minority. Or maybe you meant that these « big accounts » which are toxic are a majority which means more than half of the community that is KC fans ? You understand that Twitter is not real life and that 75% of the community don’t even tweet or interact with it right ? You are biased because you form your opinions on a social media platform where all the toxic fans will rage bait everybody in the community for a bit of buzz. And by thinking like this you simply forget that the VAST majority of fans who are chill don’t even interact. So yes this toxic fans are loud and there is a lot because the fan base is one if not the biggest so they get more interactions etc… Also KC fan base and French fans in general are really into twitter (maybe a bit more than other fan bases in term of % of users) which amplifies this effect. But I can bet there that is not necessarily more toxic fans than in other fan bases in term of %. What might be different though is the degree of the toxicity (death threat etc…) which in my opinion goes a lot of time too far, and is what most of people will only remember. But having certain fans being super fucking toxic doesn’t equal having the most toxic fan base. If a fan base had 1000 fan and 500 of them were toxic than they would be the most toxic.
@@MathisL how about criticizing that shitty part of your community instead of making excuses and let that shitty part of your community bark the loudest?
@@MathisL Yeah i dont really care about the fact that non toxic fans exist, ofc they do. But you have toxic Accounts insulting and lying that get 10k likes per Tweet and that the higher ups in KC simply dont give a shit about. The fact is, that these accounts are way too loud and kc as an org needs to do something against that. And no, posting a pls dont be toxic animals tweet, that 70% ignore anyways, because lyncas eg. gets to hear shit from the kc fans to this day. The org knows that they have the most toxic fanbase and they do nothing against that, or just not even close to enough against that that. My point is, that its getting out of hand and that there are too many ppl in this Community that are way too loud and that nothing is being done against that, quite the opposite actually, because higher ups or employes interact with these ppl and always overlook the obvious issue. I dont care if its the minority or not, its gotten out of hand.
hypocrite that you are when you see the vile tweets and comments from T1 fans you become blind and no one talks about it when there really were death threats and also trucks and other poisoned gifts from others fans 100 times worse than tweets from kc who laugh among themselves but it's T1 they win the worlds they faker so you become blind and in this case it's just reality
I think booing is seen differently in NBA or Premier League, because every match there is one home and one away side. On the other hand when you have something like the World Cup, in Japan or Russia or Qatar, it is seen as poor form to boo all teams other than the hosts.
yea in some sports its almost tradition to boo the opponent, it's not meant as disrespect, more so to support your own team. like its a classic thing drunk fans do for fun. it's definitely lame but not THAT serious. but at the same time any chance to hate on KC fans is a welcome one lmao
@@UnusGrunus Hold on, it definitely is also meant as a bit of disrespect. It's just a level of disrespect that's tolerated in a lot of sports culture because it usually doesn't get out of hand, and there's an inherent equality in how all the fanbases act. The whole KC thing is so annoying because eSports doesn't have that same type of culture built up. Normal league play doesn't have home or away teams so it's a different dynamic than the normal sporting one. Fans in studio are either cheering for any exciting thing that happens, or purely for their favorite team. Almost no booing normally occurs, especially in the asian leagues. It usually only happens in Western leagues in a cheeky way when a player is leaning in to some shit talk or something. Even in cases where there is a home element (Worlds in China or Korea for example) the fans rarely actually boo. This is even more notable when you consider that China and Korea aren't really on the best of terms and are culturally more likely to be openly hostile to each other than some random Euro squad. The LoL eSports scene is a culture that mostly reserves the shit talking to online communities, preferring to either be silent or generally positive in person. KC fans decided to not only ignore the established culture for their own preference, but they also booed a legend of the game in a for-fun event. Nobody does that shit in that situation, in any sport. Only time I see things like that is when the guy getting booed is a known shit-disturber or something and they play into it with the crowd. Faker aint that. KC fans decided that they wanted to spice things up, but when the community told them "nah man, we don't do that shit," they decided to act like victims instead of owning up to their overstep. Bunch of babies.
@@UnusGrunus The difference is that T1 doesn't gain much from appearing at KC's event, whereas KC gains a lot. So booing them after they show up to a, to them, meaningless event is just weird
2/3 of those countries are fascist. Nobody cares how they view things, sorry. I can't wait for my own personal slave when I go to Qatar. The fact people take those countries seriously is sad. Including America being an ally with Saudi.
the problem isnt the booing, its the context in which it happened. KC invited T1 to play in an event a couple weeks after they won worlds and instead of taking the time to rest they attended the showmatch event for the fans who then booed them when they walked out. if KC ever makes it to worlds they can go ahead and boo, just dont do it when show up to play a showmatch for you weeks after they won a big tournament
They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played. Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
@@aslemartinsen5284 ok then lets ban fnc fans because some of thems sended death threats to razork and lets ban g2 fans because they did the same to hans sama right :)
@@kartoche1484G2 and FNC fans are tame compared to KC. G2 and FNC fans flame their own team when they make mistake and see no improvement, that's normal on any esports team to be honest. KC fans however will see NO MISTAKE and disown, threathen and insult any other team, player and league personality who does not agree or make KC look great in their mindset. Its a strech that I'm saying it is comparible to a diehard Swifty but it's already heading in that direction.
Caedrel mentioned it on stream too, with the booing. You're allowed to boo, but notice how even in Dom's example, it's personal usually. Imagine FNC fans wouldve booed Rekkles and Caps after going to g2. That would be personal, since these players specifically left the team to join the rivals. Karmine Corp and T1/Faker have literally never played against each other in an official match, KC has nothing on faker, it makes no fucking sense to boo someone like faker if you're kc or a kc fan edit: grammar lmao
Plus it is literally t1 doing a favour to come play kc. The most popular team in the world do not need to play kc to get sponsors and make money. For t1 to do kc a solid and have their fans boo is just dumb. T1 does not need to and probably should not have a showmatch with kc if it just causes problems. Esp since culturally it is not normal to be booed at by "passionate" (read demented) fans in korea.
They say that their community is toxic just because its big but I saw accounts with 10-20k followers that are active within their community promoting this kind of toxicity
that's not at all a xenophobic and toxic comment yeah i guess. Generalizing peoples behaviour based on their nationalities is obviously rational and based on solid studies about human behaviors (plot twist no, you're just spreading confirmation bias because you don't like french people based on nothing.)
poor form to boo all teams other than the hosts at such an event. Also caedrel did explain that part a bit more. You're booing for what? There's no rivalry between KC and T1 whatsoever. Its a showmatch not a tournament.
Bds is a Swiss based team and has a small fan base and VIT roster although based from France has no French player which make less French people interested in it. The problem is that almost 100% of the fan base of KC is French and one of the biggest, which is makes it completely different from BDS and VIT in my opinion. So this argument is not valid in my opinion
@@MathisL It's not even that they are French. The main difference is that Vitality fans are fans of the org, while KC fans are fans of Kameto acting like they are fans of esport.
@@iwdclipshighlights2855 I think the longer version was necessary. People don't talk about these toxic fanboys anywhere near enough. Now we just need a video about how disgusting GenG and Chovy fanboys have become and life will be complete.
@iwdclipshighlights2855 Making content purely for length and to meet a timer for maximum profit at the expense of quality or dragging on is the fastest way to not grow on the internet. If you have to repeat a point multiple times in a video, most people click away by the second or third time and find the content boring, and less likely to engage.
@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV You're right. Some people drool on their keyboard and don't think while they get told the same point seven times over and over and call that 'entertaining'. I guess we know which side you're on.
As a French person who support KC, The biggest problem that I see with the community are those Twitter Fan with 2K+ follower, The active KC Twitter Fan are always interacting with each other and a lot of People only follow KC. Some KC related account have 10K follower because 80% of what they post is KC related, If you follow enough KC account you Will end up in the KC bubble. Everything related to KC Will be shared, Everything done by KC Will be critized. They are not even Nice with KC employes either the KC community manager was scared to post meme because he was made fun of so much at some point. It was getting so bad the CEO Arthur talked about it. The instagram, tiktok, twitch KC People are not like this.
@@xankaisehri5353 i agree and i am the saùe as orangeFan and just want to add . i have no social média ( X, insta ... nothink ) i see drama like that on youtube and wtf can i do about it ? what Orangefan or myself can do about it ? yes there some fan who are toxic .. the only thing people can do when you see it is take a picture of the tweet and send it to arthur ( ceo ) or someone who lead the fan org and tell them about it . They don't like toxicity and try to clean it BUT ( like IWD say ) some thing can be "toxic" for you and not for other ... boo in a stade can be hard toxic for some ... but just normal sport event for other ... KC has a fan base close to what football have ... so yes it's way more "hard" than what esport have before ... BUT it's also mean they can full stadium, sell merch ... and maybe ( maybe ) it's the futur of esport . more and more people do the same and WANT the same "fan base" you hate ...
@@xankaisehri5353 it's not him who can do anything, the only ones who can do something about it is maybe kameto and arthur, but they don't seem to really care that much, like ofc they will do a tweet about it maybe but nothing really radical which will solve the problem, like hard blocking this people, banning them for being an attendee to events, and tbf this is really hard to do, so y this problem will not be solved in a while i think
@@BrovarSpirytus okay sure caedrel should've known that maybe. But thats not even the point. It's irrelevant not because he's wrong, but because he mentions something completely different
Welcome to your averadge french football fans i gues. These people are wild and as every french person they love riots. But for real i remember 2 years ago there was a ton of games in France that where called off because of fan problems.
Oh yeah I remember when Portugal won euro in 2016, one of my friends was living in France and he was getting threatened by some coworkers because of being Portuguese
The only thing wrong said about Caedrel in this Vid is that he sometimes jokes about having a "KC Hate Stream", but other than that he never streams other streams without their permission, he never insults any teams and he never degrades players by their nationality etc… he only focusses on the gameplay and will say that they played bad or good.
To be fair: soccer is originally a term from the UK. It's short for "association football" . And I don't think it makes sense to criticize Americans for using that term for the sake of their viewers.
I think the key thing you said is that it's more than should be acceptable in esports. I've played football for years, gone to college football games, etc. I view KC as the Philly sports fans of the esports world. I view KC as more toxic because of the fact it is esports. While what the fans say isn't acceptable in normal sports, it's more understandable given the level of physicality of those sports. You would inherently expect fans of UFC to be more emotional and have stronger reactions/words than those of fencing or golf fans. But this is esports, where a game can be as short as 20 minutes. I'm not saying that esports can't be emotional at times, but I am saying that with this specific fanbase prides itself on being so disproportionately vulgar and insanely rabid reactions to any perceived criticism. Compared to actual sports fans, they're barely anything. But for esports, they shouldn't have been allowed to enter a major league to begin with.
To be honest , it is a 'double sad' because KC was a project that was all about 'good vibe and support your team' , Kameto does have a strong DNA rooted in respect...but something went wrong somewhere. I agree that they go to smoothly about the toxicity , but they do not condone it. At some point they will realise that the next arc was about going to Europe , and business wise , it was growing fandom , with this reputation , the rethoric of us vs them that they over-use , they are just scaring everyone away.
Hans Sama even said he gets dms to go kll himself and whatnot, which was obviously really hard for him mentally. Little actions of "allowing" such toxicity leads to more intense ones.
The real problem is twitter, or twitter ban system not kc fans ... ofc there will be some toxicity in every fanbase esp when it is one of the biggest. But from my POV, i blocked like 15 accounts that were spreading negativity and i didnt see any drama since 5 months until this. I went to 2 KCX and most of toxic people on twitter dont even go to irl events. You just have to accept that farming stats for kc is easy when you have controversial takes and just block (even a small amount of accounts make a huge diff)
And I think the take on G2 taking the L, getting flamed by casters and joking is irrelevant. Of course you can do that when youre winning everything since 2016, you can say that G2 is shit because youre not really thinking it (or just for 1 game). If you're saying a team and players are shit when it is actually the 10th or 9th, youre not joking and its pure flaming. I dont think Rogue will take the flame easily as well, they just have less fans to defend themselves
I think drawing the line at "you should kys" is less because of people not being able to handle it, but more of that this is the border between mad and insanity. LIke when someone insults you, even for something stupid, you know that their still somewhat mentally well atleast, but when they start saying kys, then you know that they have definitely some sort of problem
I need this will probably get lost in the sauce when you post clips like this can we get time stamps for the stream cuz it makes me want to watch the follow-up that would be amazing and I'm sure I'm not the only one 🙏🙏
Let's be honest the "fans" on Caedrel's stream were farming KC drama etc for weeks, these aren't KC or Caedrel fans, they don't have neither's best intention in mind. I'm an Caedrel watcher and the KC baiting is insane, even more than everything, they want Caedrel to mald and make KC fans mad, I've seen this for weeks now
Just wanted to add some context, caedrel doesn't mind them boo-ing, he said it's disgusting since it was a reference to the last time where they booed T1 after they were travelling half the world to join a for fun tournament FOR kcorp and then they get booed for no reason
Last point dom is bringing up is valid. But he is forgetting LEC is in Berlin. Getting a gun im germany is not like in the US. We dont have mass shootings here.
I completely agree that the death threats and hateful comments on players twitter/insta is unacceptable and should never be allowed to happen. However you can tell how different the us and europe mentality towards sports/esports is and how being overly passionate for your team is regarded negatively in the us compared to in europe where it's normal. Ultras are such a common thing in europe compared to the us that it kinda makes sense that you all don't understand it and are kinda scared by it. Also KC being a french org makes it automatically hated by the majority of ppl just for being french (being french around international ppl this is very true), which reinforces the kc vs the world narrative. This is just my opinion and isn't meant to disregard any other opinion in any way.
12:25 . That's all KC fans need to hear to understand how delulu their fanbase is. They can't even take criticism from others but they're always willing to dish it out. KC is that friend in the friendgroup that can't be joked around with. lmao how sad is that
You would think their organization and teams have won multiple Worlds titles if they have gotten so toxic, but they can barely even get 8th place in LEC lmfao.
@@JoeMama-ik7qf Yes, they won a bunch of amateur regional titles that mean nothing, in weak sauce years against mediocrity players/teams such as Eika, then got destroyed once competing with the big boys, thanks for reminding us.
@@JoeMama-ik7qf king of Europe and barely manage to get 8 place in a league were 8/10 make it xD? Not counting the two time before were they didnt make it to play off ? XD
we dont hate every player that leaves us btw, of course i condemn every tweet made in a hostile way to lyncas bcs its just dumb toxicity and shouldnt be allowed but he left in a very special way, he was 'poached' by vitality bcs of how close he was to the coached while being in a discussion about a renewal of contract and its the 'kind of a betrayal because he had a change of heart last second' that made the community so bitter against him. But what happens often like with rekkles is just a ton of support and appreciation for the player. I know my community has a lot of toxic people and it sucks, Iwe are fully aware of it and cant dey it as much as people cant deny the hatred of kc in the public's opinion. And both thing sucks bcs its a cycle of negativity. Btw if you guys have any questions on kc and why we act a certain way sometimes pls ask me and ill try to explain it so we end this war of misinterpretation and irrational hateful comments.
If I say what I think about Caedrel and KC's fans, France's political agenda, “cultural enrichment”, the victim complex and the high levels of toxicity and delusion, I will probably be banned from RUclips. So at the end of the day as a G2 fan, I will continue to support my 1 team region by ignoring all this drama. Btw: What are the chances of FNC and KC winning anything this year other than having dreama for clicks and views?
But please tell me how this condemning would look like? You can mute them, ratio them, but there is no way of stopping them realistically. The fact that this tweet about your trip only got like 15 likes and not thousands isn't good enough sign that the majority isn't condoning this?
I think you're absolutely allowed to boo a team i just don't think redbull league of their own is a tournament where this aplies since it has the vibes of a charity match.
"KC fans have attended... without creating any problem." Kotei needs to be told that KC fans don't need to create any problem, because their existence is a problem on its own
i dont think booing is bad honestly cs has it too but the problem is KC fans are just has that malicious intent whereas cs is just drunka nd having fun with what they say
Remember he didn't dodge. God guided the bullet. Into his supporter behind him. The guy standing with his insurrectionist ass even after he basically admitted to everything he's being accused of. But maybe if Dom tried to take over Riot and install himself as the LoL esports dictator God would do him the same favor 😄
@@MASSIVEsock i said "cringe" to you for sending hate to dom... then you say "cringe" to come at me on a joke comment. good one. here's a nobody who doesn't bring anything to the table, besides his massivesock.
I hope Riot does the corporate thing and slam KC to protect their current golden goose Caedrel who is saving the entire fucking LEC despite Riot's best efforts
why is every one saying BOO when the disgusting part of that tweet was that it said BOOTTTTTT they are already ill if some ppl even pick up on the mob mentality it could be bad
sure there's no correlation between MDK and KOI joining LEC and whole LEC going to sewer level of enjoyment and skill. Just unlucky coincidence i guess
KC fans will say "it's just some bad apples" then you'll see the majority of good Apples defend those *person* instead of condemning their *behaviors* . It's not even the small accounts, some of their bigger personalities within the community is defending those "few bad apples" too! instead of doing what's right. Says alot about the entire community's blind militant loyalty no matter what. Instead of doing their best to become an actual good community by doing what's right, they (thousands of people) decided they'll do this stupid mental gymnastics & PR stunts to justify those bad apples & "clean" their name.
This part is the only part you need to watch if you don't want to watch the whole thing: 2:05 - 6:12 Tell me where the lie is... and if there is no lie, why are you okay with it?
I am French and i feel very sorry for this kind of attitude. I'm a KC fan of the shadow (I am not involved in anything) but I have support for the story of KC (how it started with Kameto and Kotei), however I absolutely don't agree with these types of behaviors and condemn them. Unfortunately it has become something very common in France, not only online. These 'small' groups will always defend their partners/friends even if it's totally irationnal. Unfortunately, Kameto and Kotei aren't doing anything to condemn this kind of attitudes and, in a way, are supporting it. I must say i'm in a deep depression myself part because of that kind of attitude you can find almost everywhere in France. Peoples are full of hate and feel the urge to express it whenever they find someone that is not on their 'line' of ideology. In my life I tried manytimes to reason with these peoples but they prefer to avoid the logical aspect to just try to be right, or justify their actions instead of taking responsability for it. The only solution I found is to ignore them as much as I can, but even that won't work because they will percieve it as a kind of "weakness" and will try to bully you. Nowadays I'm not sure anymore how to handle these peoples and I must say, If I had the possibility to get away somehow, I would take it, but I unfortunately can't. I'm really sorry for what you're going through with french peoples, I'm ashamed of my country. Sorry for my english.
This shit happens in every other competitive sports idk why booing is bad Honestly league need this kind of toxicity (not in the game but between fans) to make the game more popular and exciting
@@distortion6981 yea but thats not what he is saying. hes saying that IF we use the logic of these kc fans responding to caedrel, then he would be. but he obv definitely isnt. thats the point, at least im good 90% sure
@@yihadistxdl951I seriously don't get where you pulled this deep ass meaning in this comment from lol. Literally just says "I just found out Veigarv2 is a pedo from a rt" ? Veigarv2 does have a rather controversial past, and uninformed people jumping to conclusions isn't just something that's far more likely than a joke, but is also a reality. Many people do think he's really a pedo because of people badmouthing him on twitter, so it doesn't really make sense to assume that they're joking, when they could easily simply be disinformed.
@@plasmodius9449 yes he has a controversial past ddossing people and thats pretty far in the past. also i dont think its that deep at all. he said that this video made him realize x person is y because of rt. if you watched the video yourself its extremely obvious what he means. "this thing made me realize" you need to think, what thing was that, what happened in the video? kc fans are making shit up and accusing caedrel of the made up shit. and this commenter is definitely joking and not disinformed because you dont say that someone is a pedophile based on made up shit, which was the "thing" he is talking about, and then add "lol" at the end of a sentence. yea im laughing out loud too when i find out that someone is a pedophile and molests children? yea no
KC fans being toxic and annoying. KC fans getting called out. It is just a joke and plays the victim. Before KC we thought FNC reddit is toxic, but KC ultras are something else.
They only act that way because they have no consequences for being that way in France. If KC were an American fanbase, they would've already had their own Columbine event. I bet they would calm down after that happened.
Honestly if they pay for a ticket and go to the event who the fuck cares if they choose to boo whoever the fuck they want? Like what is the issue here?
I never fully understood how mentally soft the competitive gaming community is until this clip where a bunch of grown men are sharing their feelings and throwing tantrums over booing from a competitors fan base... I grew up playing real sports and we got booed getting off the bus for middle school football games and once I got to high school football there would be parents booing us from the stands
These typa fans think it's fine to just say the most vile shit and are surprised nobody likes them. Yes we are aware that not all kcorp fans are like that, but when your community is known to everyone as a flaming pile of garbage and a lot of the fanbase actively encourages these toxic people and this "us vs them" mentality, not condemning the ones that are toxic and even doubling down the toxicity just because you feel the need to defend your own fandom to feel like a real fan, then you aren't changing anybody's minds anytime soon. Hold people accountable rather than defending them. The joke's not only a joke when the guy who said the joke is known to be a toxic fuck and what's worse is that they're known in the community and so much kcorp fans are defending them and saying the most vile shit to Caedrel through the replies and qrts.
Dude i would just argue that its because you are not used to the ultras spirit that exists in football for example (at least in europe or south america for example) >> everything for the club and the rest of the world is an opp. Although most of KC fans are not lunatics, and when Lyncas took that wave of hatred a lot of KC fans were outraged so, please hold your horses. In ESports you are too used to a calm envirnment of geeks (i am a geek btw ngl), being French i would say this though > our fans need and trully need to learn self restraint, and respect if we ccompare them to Korean fans who are mental for their teams but stay very respectful andyway. Last point, s a KC fan i definitley condemn the threats you were a victim of man, trully, amd i think KC is putting things in place to severely punish the psychos going too far.
Bro caedrel is literally the least inflammatory twitch streamer for league of legends pro play. Why do these ckorp fans think he has that many viewers? Its actually such a joke
yea trying to paint fucking caedrel as a toxic hater from all people is beyond insane. if you at least try to paint dom as a super toxic hater, that could at least make some sort of sense. but caedrel? nah theyre just mentally ill
Ppl are too comfortable on the internet I think if u tweet a threat - the police should find out where it was posted from and gg go to jail or do community service
death threats and trucks are disguting I agree, at least T1 fans dont go and flame other teams and they only act if someone flames the team or the players. I'm a T1 fan myself and I really like when dom speaks about them seriously but sadly since there is this situation about him hating T1, some T1 fans misunderstand (i have to say he is really annoying when he talks about T1 to trigger T1 fans tho). anyway comparing T1 fans with KC fans is too much imho, KC fans are the worst fanbase I've seen in esport. (don't get me wrong, the T1 fanbase who sends trucks is bad too)
You should be allowed to boo unless you ended 10th place 2 times in LEC. G2 fans have a rivalry with T1 if anything, they can boo (which they don't), not a 0 history, 0 legacy esports team like KC.
It's funny that they expect everyone to know it was "just a joke" when they literally have booed faker in the past. I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be a joke if there wasn't an outrage about it. I don't hate kc because they're french, I hate french because of KC.
Since you made a comparison with football fans, eSports fans are camomile in that regard. First I been a football fan for 23 years now. I have been cheering for my team since the age of 6. The fan base of my team is more toxic toward their own players than other teams. Booing on stadium is a common occurrence. And it should not get anyone banned. Why? Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the most influential players in history, one of the best football players in history, top goalscorer of all time, got booed by his own fans for the poor performances. It is normal to get booed, and it's normal to get cheered on. No matter who you are. The only thing that I find disgusting is the booing of national hymns before the national matches. That's just unsportsmanlike and disgusting behaviour of any fan base. But there are fan base that everyone really hates. And that's simply a Barcelona fan base. Literally, no one likes them due to their own delusional takes, hate, and blindsided trust. To them, Barcelona is not a club but religion. When you get down to it, it is so disgusting and hypocritical that you don't even take them seriously anymore and just leave them be in their own little asylum. KC fans are Barcelona fans of esports. Or even better, to make it more French, PSG ultras. Football also had problems with ultras and hooligans. And have it to this day. Fans killing each other due to a difference of opinion. Players being harassed, huge violence acts before, during, and after the game. Arranged fights of fans in the cities, stadium, and even on highways. No one is safe. Fans, players, managers. And how did football deal with it? Jail, sanctions for the clubs, banning fans, etc. But Esports is too young for that. None got hurt yet. When it comes to KC, I haven't seen much of them since I'm a G2 fan, and G2 marketing and social media are too good at their job. Also, Caedral and Dom are the only content creators I watch from the whole league community. Dom has his own opinion, Caedral, The rat king is probably most objective in this whole community, unless it is TheShy. KC fans are not hated because they are French. French are hated by whole Europe, including the French themselves. KC fans are hated because they are acting like spoiled children throwing tantrums and bad jokes all around, expecting to be praised and loved. Being French just makes the stereotype of the French fit in more with the fans. AND if you want to deal with them, you either make draconian measures at the start (now) or after someone get hurt when it is too late. But ultras will always be ultras.
Generally when he goes on a rant about something, it’s not him seeing it once or twice but constantly to the point of feeling the need to address it, which he said in his clip addressing it.
“People only hate kc because they’re French” just like people hate vit for being French and all that, which surely everybody sees daily.
but vitality is normal compared to k corp XD
isn't also BDS french? I love them
The French are just colonizers. all they are
@@doomkingraye7692 BDS is a swiss org with literaly a small amount of fans.
@@howmanyroads1388 idk I feel like BDS fans are less vocal
It's only a joke when they get call out. You can't stack toxicity on top of toxicity over a long period of time and think it's normal.
They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played.
Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
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@@aslemartinsen5284 I mean that's quite dishonest from the English speaking community to point "French kids" as raging, etc etc. I've been a passive on&off LoL player for 10 years, was always insulted for being French speaking by English speakers, obv most of the time for no reasons.
The drama here is a stack of, a huge fanbase, a continuous discrimination between eng fr, and some "ultras" being clearly too much, communities that fell on KC at each of their games. It's a clearly unhealthy scenario but I don't see it changing by banning a few people supposed to be at the center of this toxicity drama on twitter. It's (imo) deeper than that, rooted in cultural differences.
About Kameto, he explained the drama multiple times and quite extensively on stream, condemning toxicity, explaining that T1 didn't take the boo badly and would jump on any occasions to remake a KCX type of event (apparently the CEO even asked him tips to hold such a big community). People made a fuss about it for quite nothing, but I guess that's how social media works, toxic by essence.
Might be one of the reasons too imo, twitter by itself. The lack of moderation, what is has become in general with porn and violence. Probably will (and was) never the healthiest social media to use to get the nice part of fanbases interacting with each other.
Btw, G2 story is far worse than toxicity
@@aslemartinsen5284 wth do you mean by publicly disowning that sounds like even bigger toxicity through civil wars. Several people aren't just individuals but people followed by hundred of accounts
@@cicadarinn12530 printers were involved in the making of this comment 100% fax
Caedrel usually laughs off most toxicity or whatever so for him to go off like that you know it’s seriously pissed him off
Back when KC just came to the LEC, Caedrel was one of the few non Blue Walls members that defended them & initially he shuts down KC hates in his chat regularly whenever KC got shit on (they lose A LOT btw so when I say regularly it really is a VERY FREQUENT occurance)
The fact that someone like that still got threats from KC fans & made him change his opinion on them within THE SAME YEAR says SO MUCH about their community. Caedrel simply can't take, justify & keep defending none of their bullshit anymore. Those blue bastards just goes rabid on whoever says even the *slightest* negative thing about them, regardless if it's objective or not.
Blind hate all around, but when negativity came from within their Blue Walls they bats an eye & defend them, then not blame them, not even for a lil bit. That's why shit like this keeps happening & none of them stopped! let alone decreasing. Zero accountability behind anonimity & numbers behind crowd mentality.
Hell, they'll even hide behind those "few bad apples" bullshit & none of the "Good ones" will make those "bad minorities" take responsibility at all.
Yet they wonder why they get hated so much "for being French" despite French teams & players already existing in the League LONG before them but never even got close to the same amount of sheer unanimous spite towards a single community of people.
@@aHat69i don't think Caedrel got threats until recently with this drama but what made him change his opinion is the kc fans reactions against lyncas, saken, targamas and other players because they were playing bad or for lyncas they felt betrayed by the way he left. I'm a kc fan, i was mad with the way lyncas left but the way he doesn't deserve the hate and i agree that a lot of kc fans are problematics. On twitter yk there is the community thing and ofc there is one for KC fans and even within there are toxic fans being annoying with roster changes, "this player so bad" and all this toxic stuff so they made a new community named "KC without dumbass" ( or something like that ) and there the toxic fans are banned when we see them but there are too many because like a lot of us say there are too many of them and we can't really deal with all of them. But we still are part of KC and when someone insults KC we want to defend it, we know there are problems in KC community but we are also part of that community
cuz faker fangays will follow him then lol
Gotta love how their 'own' is that Cadreal didn't understand it as a joke at first but they didn't stop and think 'hey maybe there's something wrong with this community everyone's first instinct is to expect the worst from us'.
Caedral calling them vile is true. Doesn't matter if it's a joke lets be honest, they're trash.
*I love Pedro, love his casting, draft analysis, love his streams and love the rats. Pardon me, but KC who?*
Whats so crazy to me is that kc fans always say, its just a small amount of ppl and we always point toxicity in our community out. The L1mitless guy who made the "joke" is an admin in their Twitter community and is known for being insanely toxic and disgusting, i have him blocked for a long time. All these big kc accounts get 10k likes for super toxic tweets and all the higher ups of kc do is put out a tweet once every 2 months and nothing else, while these huge accounts go around on twitter and non of them give a shit. The toxic ppl are not the minoriti of the community and even if so, they are the by far loudest and the org + rest of the community does not give 2 fucks about these ppl
They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played.
Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
@@schmorman773 You just explained in your own comment that these accounts are minority. Or maybe you meant that these « big accounts » which are toxic are a majority which means more than half of the community that is KC fans ? You understand that Twitter is not real life and that 75% of the community don’t even tweet or interact with it right ? You are biased because you form your opinions on a social media platform where all the toxic fans will rage bait everybody in the community for a bit of buzz. And by thinking like this you simply forget that the VAST majority of fans who are chill don’t even interact. So yes this toxic fans are loud and there is a lot because the fan base is one if not the biggest so they get more interactions etc… Also KC fan base and French fans in general are really into twitter (maybe a bit more than other fan bases in term of % of users) which amplifies this effect. But I can bet there that is not necessarily more toxic fans than in other fan bases in term of %. What might be different though is the degree of the toxicity (death threat etc…) which in my opinion goes a lot of time too far, and is what most of people will only remember.
But having certain fans being super fucking toxic doesn’t equal having the most toxic fan base. If a fan base had 1000 fan and 500 of them were toxic than they would be the most toxic.
@@MathisL how about criticizing that shitty part of your community instead of making excuses and let that shitty part of your community bark the loudest?
@@MathisL Yeah i dont really care about the fact that non toxic fans exist, ofc they do. But you have toxic Accounts insulting and lying that get 10k likes per Tweet and that the higher ups in KC simply dont give a shit about. The fact is, that these accounts are way too loud and kc as an org needs to do something against that. And no, posting a pls dont be toxic animals tweet, that 70% ignore anyways, because lyncas eg. gets to hear shit from the kc fans to this day. The org knows that they have the most toxic fanbase and they do nothing against that, or just not even close to enough against that that. My point is, that its getting out of hand and that there are too many ppl in this Community that are way too loud and that nothing is being done against that, quite the opposite actually, because higher ups or employes interact with these ppl and always overlook the obvious issue. I dont care if its the minority or not, its gotten out of hand.
hypocrite that you are when you see the vile tweets and comments from T1 fans you become blind and no one talks about it when there really were death threats and also trucks and other poisoned gifts from others fans 100 times worse than tweets from kc who laugh among themselves but it's T1 they win the worlds they faker so you become blind and in this case it's just reality
I think booing is seen differently in NBA or Premier League, because every match there is one home and one away side. On the other hand when you have something like the World Cup, in Japan or Russia or Qatar, it is seen as poor form to boo all teams other than the hosts.
yea in some sports its almost tradition to boo the opponent, it's not meant as disrespect, more so to support your own team. like its a classic thing drunk fans do for fun. it's definitely lame but not THAT serious. but at the same time any chance to hate on KC fans is a welcome one lmao
@@UnusGrunus Hold on, it definitely is also meant as a bit of disrespect. It's just a level of disrespect that's tolerated in a lot of sports culture because it usually doesn't get out of hand, and there's an inherent equality in how all the fanbases act.
The whole KC thing is so annoying because eSports doesn't have that same type of culture built up. Normal league play doesn't have home or away teams so it's a different dynamic than the normal sporting one. Fans in studio are either cheering for any exciting thing that happens, or purely for their favorite team. Almost no booing normally occurs, especially in the asian leagues. It usually only happens in Western leagues in a cheeky way when a player is leaning in to some shit talk or something. Even in cases where there is a home element (Worlds in China or Korea for example) the fans rarely actually boo. This is even more notable when you consider that China and Korea aren't really on the best of terms and are culturally more likely to be openly hostile to each other than some random Euro squad. The LoL eSports scene is a culture that mostly reserves the shit talking to online communities, preferring to either be silent or generally positive in person.
KC fans decided to not only ignore the established culture for their own preference, but they also booed a legend of the game in a for-fun event. Nobody does that shit in that situation, in any sport. Only time I see things like that is when the guy getting booed is a known shit-disturber or something and they play into it with the crowd. Faker aint that.
KC fans decided that they wanted to spice things up, but when the community told them "nah man, we don't do that shit," they decided to act like victims instead of owning up to their overstep. Bunch of babies.
@@UnusGrunus The difference is that T1 doesn't gain much from appearing at KC's event, whereas KC gains a lot. So booing them after they show up to a, to them, meaningless event is just weird
2/3 of those countries are fascist. Nobody cares how they view things, sorry. I can't wait for my own personal slave when I go to Qatar. The fact people take those countries seriously is sad. Including America being an ally with Saudi.
the problem isnt the booing, its the context in which it happened. KC invited T1 to play in an event a couple weeks after they won worlds and instead of taking the time to rest they attended the showmatch event for the fans who then booed them when they walked out. if KC ever makes it to worlds they can go ahead and boo, just dont do it when show up to play a showmatch for you weeks after they won a big tournament
All my homies hate KC fans
They should ban the fans, and they should force the owner to publicly disown the fans unless they stop their toxic behavior. It's spreading in the game as well, tons of raging French kids who troll, int and flame. These days you're lucky if there's only 1 game without trolls per 10 games played.
Remember what Riot did to G2? They forced Ocelote out cus he partied with Andrew Tate, who Riot deemed toxic for telling boys to be responsible. So why the fuck shouldn't they interfere with KC, who negatively influence the entire LoL community? They're destroying the game.
@@aslemartinsen5284 ok then lets ban fnc fans because some of thems sended death threats to razork and lets ban g2 fans because they did the same to hans sama right :)
Lmao
@@aslemartinsen5284 the guy who objectifies women? or the alleged sex trafficker? that guy? or the guy charged for raping women?
@@kartoche1484G2 and FNC fans are tame compared to KC.
G2 and FNC fans flame their own team when they make mistake and see no improvement, that's normal on any esports team to be honest.
KC fans however will see NO MISTAKE and disown, threathen and insult any other team, player and league personality who does not agree or make KC look great in their mindset. Its a strech that I'm saying it is comparible to a diehard Swifty but it's already heading in that direction.
Caedrel mentioned it on stream too, with the booing. You're allowed to boo, but notice how even in Dom's example, it's personal usually. Imagine FNC fans wouldve booed Rekkles and Caps after going to g2. That would be personal, since these players specifically left the team to join the rivals.
Karmine Corp and T1/Faker have literally never played against each other in an official match, KC has nothing on faker, it makes no fucking sense to boo someone like faker if you're kc or a kc fan
edit: grammar lmao
Same thoughts.
Plus they do it in a fun match.
Plus it is literally t1 doing a favour to come play kc. The most popular team in the world do not need to play kc to get sponsors and make money.
For t1 to do kc a solid and have their fans boo is just dumb. T1 does not need to and probably should not have a showmatch with kc if it just causes problems.
Esp since culturally it is not normal to be booed at by "passionate" (read demented) fans in korea.
They say that their community is toxic just because its big but I saw accounts with 10-20k followers that are active within their community promoting this kind of toxicity
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lets be honest its because they're french
They already have the debuff of being French, we don’t need to kick them when they’re down
They do a great job reinforcing the stereotype.
fr*nch people are a different breed man, you cant tell me otherwise
classic french L
that's not at all a xenophobic and toxic comment yeah i guess. Generalizing peoples behaviour based on their nationalities is obviously rational and based on solid studies about human behaviors (plot twist no, you're just spreading confirmation bias because you don't like french people based on nothing.)
"if someone really wanted to kill me that plan would be really easy to execute" hah
poor form to boo all teams other than the hosts at such an event.
Also caedrel did explain that part a bit more. You're booing for what? There's no rivalry between KC and T1 whatsoever. Its a showmatch not a tournament.
Vit and Bds are from france also, they have highs and lows in the league but I don’t think much fans hated them like KC.
Bds is a Swiss based team and has a small fan base and VIT roster although based from France has no French player which make less French people interested in it. The problem is that almost 100% of the fan base of KC is French and one of the biggest, which is makes it completely different from BDS and VIT in my opinion. So this argument is not valid in my opinion
You don't know the dark side of vita fans lmao
@@MathisL It's not even that they are French. The main difference is that Vitality fans are fans of the org, while KC fans are fans of Kameto acting like they are fans of esport.
IWD could have summed this whole video up into "KC fans are out of control and people who argue with intellectually dishonest points are gross."
That would make significantly less revenue however.
@@iwdclipshighlights2855 I think the longer version was necessary. People don't talk about these toxic fanboys anywhere near enough. Now we just need a video about how disgusting GenG and Chovy fanboys have become and life will be complete.
@iwdclipshighlights2855 Making content purely for length and to meet a timer for maximum profit at the expense of quality or dragging on is the fastest way to not grow on the internet. If you have to repeat a point multiple times in a video, most people click away by the second or third time and find the content boring, and less likely to engage.
@@AGSkaary Not everyone has the attention span of a fly.
@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV You're right. Some people drool on their keyboard and don't think while they get told the same point seven times over and over and call that 'entertaining'. I guess we know which side you're on.
As a French person who support KC, The biggest problem that I see with the community are those Twitter Fan with 2K+ follower, The active KC Twitter Fan are always interacting with each other and a lot of People only follow KC. Some KC related account have 10K follower because 80% of what they post is KC related,
If you follow enough KC account you Will end up in the KC bubble.
Everything related to KC Will be shared, Everything done by KC Will be critized. They are not even Nice with KC employes either the KC community manager was scared to post meme because he was made fun of so much at some point. It was getting so bad the CEO Arthur talked about it. The instagram, tiktok, twitch KC People are not like this.
Cool, so if you all know what is the problem, start doing smth about it? You all act like this is normal...
@@xankaisehri5353 what is this one guy supposed to do about it
@@xankaisehri5353 i agree and i am the saùe as orangeFan and just want to add .
i have no social média ( X, insta ... nothink ) i see drama like that on youtube and wtf can i do about it ?
what Orangefan or myself can do about it ? yes there some fan who are toxic .. the only thing people can do when you see it is take a picture of the tweet and send it to arthur ( ceo ) or someone who lead the fan org and tell them about it . They don't like toxicity and try to clean it BUT ( like IWD say ) some thing can be "toxic" for you and not for other ...
boo in a stade can be hard toxic for some ... but just normal sport event for other ... KC has a fan base close to what football have ... so yes it's way more "hard" than what esport have before ...
BUT it's also mean they can full stadium, sell merch ... and maybe ( maybe ) it's the futur of esport . more and more people do the same and WANT the same "fan base" you hate ...
@@xankaisehri5353 it's not him who can do anything, the only ones who can do something about it is maybe kameto and arthur, but they don't seem to really care that much, like ofc they will do a tweet about it maybe but nothing really radical which will solve the problem, like hard blocking this people, banning them for being an attendee to events, and tbf this is really hard to do, so y this problem will not be solved in a while i think
@@xankaisehri5353are you a child like what do you want him to do how about you do something like how do you not cringe writing that lol
kpop twitter stans are a great way to describe how mental some of the kcorp fans are
22:44 "OH HEAVENS!" LMFAOOOOO
Even Wayne Gretzky was booed. Death threats, however, not acceptable.
Solid 1 for 1 is a crazy thing to say Dom ,i would not put it past KC fanatics doing it tho .
Dom to Caedrel : First Time ?
bro straight spitting up bars like it's a concert, noice lol
Was Kotei dropped as a baby?
Repeatedly
well that says a lot about caedrel if someone who was dropped as a baby is right instead of him
What is he right about? @@BrovarSpirytus
@@ahmadhani8339 about creating a drama of an obvious joke tweet
@@BrovarSpirytus okay sure caedrel should've known that maybe. But thats not even the point. It's irrelevant not because he's wrong, but because he mentions something completely different
Kc 0 trophy, won nothing, hot garbage. Hole the L
Came in a steaming pile of shit, should leave the same way
Thats why you need to stfu when you don't know about something kid
Bro didn't look esports last 10 years. 3 LFL titles, 4 EMEA titles, many Rocket League titles... yeah, I think they never won anything
Welcome to your averadge french football fans i gues.
These people are wild and as every french person they love riots.
But for real i remember 2 years ago there was a ton of games in France that where called off because of fan problems.
France has a ridiculous migrant problem. A lot of these “French” fans you’re talking about actually aren’t French; they’re African refugees.
Oh yeah I remember when Portugal won euro in 2016, one of my friends was living in France and he was getting threatened by some coworkers because of being Portuguese
The only thing wrong said about Caedrel in this Vid is that he sometimes jokes about having a "KC Hate Stream", but other than that he never streams other streams without their permission, he never insults any teams and he never degrades players by their nationality etc… he only focusses on the gameplay and will say that they played bad or good.
9:55 hoooold up. An american just called european football "football", and not soccer? 😮 respect, dom.
To be fair: soccer is originally a term from the UK. It's short for "association football" . And I don't think it makes sense to criticize Americans for using that term for the sake of their viewers.
@@vez3834 I'm not criticizing, it's just surprising to see this. and yeah, it's a UK term lmao, so we basically did it to ourselves
@@liqqit I know you didn't criticize in this case, I just wanted to comment on the phenomena :D
I think the key thing you said is that it's more than should be acceptable in esports. I've played football for years, gone to college football games, etc. I view KC as the Philly sports fans of the esports world. I view KC as more toxic because of the fact it is esports. While what the fans say isn't acceptable in normal sports, it's more understandable given the level of physicality of those sports. You would inherently expect fans of UFC to be more emotional and have stronger reactions/words than those of fencing or golf fans. But this is esports, where a game can be as short as 20 minutes. I'm not saying that esports can't be emotional at times, but I am saying that with this specific fanbase prides itself on being so disproportionately vulgar and insanely rabid reactions to any perceived criticism.
Compared to actual sports fans, they're barely anything. But for esports, they shouldn't have been allowed to enter a major league to begin with.
0:51 it was at last redbull event where 5 people booed faker, it wasnt at kcx
what a thumbnail LOL
To be honest , it is a 'double sad' because KC was a project that was all about 'good vibe and support your team' , Kameto does have a strong DNA rooted in respect...but something went wrong somewhere. I agree that they go to smoothly about the toxicity , but they do not condone it. At some point they will realise that the next arc was about going to Europe , and business wise , it was growing fandom , with this reputation , the rethoric of us vs them that they over-use , they are just scaring everyone away.
Twitter, that's where it went wrong.
Hans Sama even said he gets dms to go kll himself and whatnot, which was obviously really hard for him mentally. Little actions of "allowing" such toxicity leads to more intense ones.
The real problem is twitter, or twitter ban system not kc fans ... ofc there will be some toxicity in every fanbase esp when it is one of the biggest. But from my POV, i blocked like 15 accounts that were spreading negativity and i didnt see any drama since 5 months until this. I went to 2 KCX and most of toxic people on twitter dont even go to irl events. You just have to accept that farming stats for kc is easy when you have controversial takes and just block (even a small amount of accounts make a huge diff)
And I think the take on G2 taking the L, getting flamed by casters and joking is irrelevant. Of course you can do that when youre winning everything since 2016, you can say that G2 is shit because youre not really thinking it (or just for 1 game). If you're saying a team and players are shit when it is actually the 10th or 9th, youre not joking and its pure flaming. I dont think Rogue will take the flame easily as well, they just have less fans to defend themselves
The reaction from the fans shows how right he was.
I think drawing the line at "you should kys" is less because of people not being able to handle it, but more of that this is the border between mad and insanity. LIke when someone insults you, even for something stupid, you know that their still somewhat mentally well atleast, but when they start saying kys, then you know that they have definitely some sort of problem
i usually don't like Doms personality but i always like his insight and facts he have ♥
old man spitting some wisdom
I need this will probably get lost in the sauce when you post clips like this can we get time stamps for the stream cuz it makes me want to watch the follow-up that would be amazing and I'm sure I'm not the only one 🙏🙏
Let's be honest the "fans" on Caedrel's stream were farming KC drama etc for weeks, these aren't KC or Caedrel fans, they don't have neither's best intention in mind. I'm an Caedrel watcher and the KC baiting is insane, even more than everything, they want Caedrel to mald and make KC fans mad, I've seen this for weeks now
Just wanted to add some context, caedrel doesn't mind them boo-ing, he said it's disgusting since it was a reference to the last time where they booed T1 after they were travelling half the world to join a for fun tournament FOR kcorp and then they get booed for no reason
Last point dom is bringing up is valid. But he is forgetting LEC is in Berlin. Getting a gun im germany is not like in the US. We dont have mass shootings here.
I completely agree that the death threats and hateful comments on players twitter/insta is unacceptable and should never be allowed to happen. However you can tell how different the us and europe mentality towards sports/esports is and how being overly passionate for your team is regarded negatively in the us compared to in europe where it's normal. Ultras are such a common thing in europe compared to the us that it kinda makes sense that you all don't understand it and are kinda scared by it. Also KC being a french org makes it automatically hated by the majority of ppl just for being french (being french around international ppl this is very true), which reinforces the kc vs the world narrative.
This is just my opinion and isn't meant to disregard any other opinion in any way.
12:25 . That's all KC fans need to hear to understand how delulu their fanbase is. They can't even take criticism from others but they're always willing to dish it out. KC is that friend in the friendgroup that can't be joked around with. lmao how sad is that
I'm not remotely surprised. KC fans are easily one of the most intolerable fan bases, inside and outside of esports.
„My community is known to make threats n other stuff - lets make a joke and use it as an alibi and make it similar enough“
Kc and Caedrel fan here. Not on twitter. Have a nice day.
What's weird to me is that dom is saying this while also flaming faker when he is struggling
You would think their organization and teams have won multiple Worlds titles if they have gotten so toxic, but they can barely even get 8th place in LEC lmfao.
brother they won second league lfl and eu masters they are the kings of europe LOL
@@JoeMama-ik7qf Yes, they won a bunch of amateur regional titles that mean nothing, in weak sauce years against mediocrity players/teams such as Eika, then got destroyed once competing with the big boys, thanks for reminding us.
@@JoeMama-ik7qf king of Europe and barely manage to get 8 place in a league were 8/10 make it xD? Not counting the two time before were they didnt make it to play off ? XD
@@JoeMama-ik7qf 'Kings of europe' yeah man FOR SURE! The team that won a tier 2 league are kings, not G2, you are not retarded!!!
@@JoeMama-ik7qfhahahha kings of Europe because they won tier 2 leagues???? Perma 8th place in lec and kings if Europe? Rather kings of garbage
we dont hate every player that leaves us btw, of course i condemn every tweet made in a hostile way to lyncas bcs its just dumb toxicity and shouldnt be allowed but he left in a very special way, he was 'poached' by vitality bcs of how close he was to the coached while being in a discussion about a renewal of contract and its the 'kind of a betrayal because he had a change of heart last second' that made the community so bitter against him. But what happens often like with rekkles is just a ton of support and appreciation for the player. I know my community has a lot of toxic people and it sucks, Iwe are fully aware of it and cant dey it as much as people cant deny the hatred of kc in the public's opinion. And both thing sucks bcs its a cycle of negativity. Btw if you guys have any questions on kc and why we act a certain way sometimes pls ask me and ill try to explain it so we end this war of misinterpretation and irrational hateful comments.
Its sad how threats on social media can just exist
The owner of that social media is
responsible too
Or rather the police is
If I say what I think about Caedrel and KC's fans, France's political agenda, “cultural enrichment”, the victim complex and the high levels of toxicity and delusion, I will probably be banned from RUclips. So at the end of the day as a G2 fan, I will continue to support my 1 team region by ignoring all this drama. Btw: What are the chances of FNC and KC winning anything this year other than having dreama for clicks and views?
i really think streamers and people should start boycotting them and stop talking about them ,, that s how they will get mad
But please tell me how this condemning would look like? You can mute them, ratio them, but there is no way of stopping them realistically. The fact that this tweet about your trip only got like 15 likes and not thousands isn't good enough sign that the majority isn't condoning this?
I think you're absolutely allowed to boo a team i just don't think redbull league of their own is a tournament where this aplies since it has the vibes of a charity match.
"KC fans have attended... without creating any problem."
Kotei needs to be told that KC fans don't need to create any problem, because their existence is a problem on its own
is booing in sports considered unacceptable now?
2:40 vayne E
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i dont think booing is bad honestly cs has it too but the problem is KC fans are just has that malicious intent whereas cs is just drunka nd having fun with what they say
I'm sure if Donald Trump can dodge a bullet on stage, so could IWD
Remember he didn't dodge. God guided the bullet. Into his supporter behind him. The guy standing with his insurrectionist ass even after he basically admitted to everything he's being accused of. But maybe if Dom tried to take over Riot and install himself as the LoL esports dictator God would do him the same favor 😄
@@THEkullerpuller k.
@@GarredGaming cringe
@@MASSIVEsock i said "cringe" to you for sending hate to dom... then you say "cringe" to come at me on a joke comment. good one.
here's a nobody who doesn't bring anything to the table, besides his massivesock.
@@MASSIVEsock ?
As a G2 I can say that we even have a stadium chant "We int every week"
"OH HEAVENS"
I hope Riot does the corporate thing and slam KC to protect their current golden goose Caedrel who is saving the entire fucking LEC despite Riot's best efforts
why is every one saying BOO when the disgusting part of that tweet was that it said BOOTTTTTT they are already ill if some ppl even pick up on the mob mentality it could be bad
It’s hilarious how perfectly his description of kcorp and its fans matches up with Republicans and MAGA
sure there's no correlation between MDK and KOI joining LEC and whole LEC going to sewer level of enjoyment and skill. Just unlucky coincidence i guess
KC fans will say "it's just some bad apples" then you'll see the majority of good Apples defend those *person* instead of condemning their *behaviors* . It's not even the small accounts, some of their bigger personalities within the community is defending those "few bad apples" too! instead of doing what's right.
Says alot about the entire community's blind militant loyalty no matter what. Instead of doing their best to become an actual good community by doing what's right, they (thousands of people) decided they'll do this stupid mental gymnastics & PR stunts to justify those bad apples & "clean" their name.
L take by Caedrel. Imagine not Booing at a sporting event.
the KC community looks like any football ultras comunity
IWillDramanate back at it again
This part is the only part you need to watch if you don't want to watch the whole thing: 2:05 - 6:12
Tell me where the lie is... and if there is no lie, why are you okay with it?
welcome to the post-truth era, it is everywhere
I am French and i feel very sorry for this kind of attitude. I'm a KC fan of the shadow (I am not involved in anything) but I have support for the story of KC (how it started with Kameto and Kotei), however I absolutely don't agree with these types of behaviors and condemn them. Unfortunately it has become something very common in France, not only online. These 'small' groups will always defend their partners/friends even if it's totally irationnal. Unfortunately, Kameto and Kotei aren't doing anything to condemn this kind of attitudes and, in a way, are supporting it.
I must say i'm in a deep depression myself part because of that kind of attitude you can find almost everywhere in France. Peoples are full of hate and feel the urge to express it whenever they find someone that is not on their 'line' of ideology. In my life I tried manytimes to reason with these peoples but they prefer to avoid the logical aspect to just try to be right, or justify their actions instead of taking responsability for it. The only solution I found is to ignore them as much as I can, but even that won't work because they will percieve it as a kind of "weakness" and will try to bully you. Nowadays I'm not sure anymore how to handle these peoples and I must say, If I had the possibility to get away somehow, I would take it, but I unfortunately can't.
I'm really sorry for what you're going through with french peoples, I'm ashamed of my country.
Sorry for my english.
People trying to excuse the rat but don't excuse K-Corp?
This shit happens in every other competitive sports idk why booing is bad
Honestly league need this kind of toxicity (not in the game but between fans) to make the game more popular and exciting
Having a lot of fans does not make you pro material 💀 useless team
The only thing that this thing made me realize is that veigarv2 is a pedo thanks to a rt lol
what ? that is not true. Veigar did send rly stupid msgs and was on his edgy teen phase but he was underaged as well so not a pdf
@@distortion6981 yea but thats not what he is saying. hes saying that IF we use the logic of these kc fans responding to caedrel, then he would be. but he obv definitely isnt. thats the point, at least im good 90% sure
@@yihadistxdl951I seriously don't get where you pulled this deep ass meaning in this comment from lol. Literally just says "I just found out Veigarv2 is a pedo from a rt" ? Veigarv2 does have a rather controversial past, and uninformed people jumping to conclusions isn't just something that's far more likely than a joke, but is also a reality. Many people do think he's really a pedo because of people badmouthing him on twitter, so it doesn't really make sense to assume that they're joking, when they could easily simply be disinformed.
@@plasmodius9449 yes he has a controversial past ddossing people and thats pretty far in the past. also i dont think its that deep at all. he said that this video made him realize x person is y because of rt. if you watched the video yourself its extremely obvious what he means. "this thing made me realize" you need to think, what thing was that, what happened in the video? kc fans are making shit up and accusing caedrel of the made up shit. and this commenter is definitely joking and not disinformed because you dont say that someone is a pedophile based on made up shit, which was the "thing" he is talking about, and then add "lol" at the end of a sentence. yea im laughing out loud too when i find out that someone is a pedophile and molests children? yea no
booing = “disgusting” -Caedrel 2024
KC fans being toxic and annoying.
KC fans getting called out. It is just a joke and plays the victim.
Before KC we thought FNC reddit is toxic, but KC ultras are something else.
They only act that way because they have no consequences for being that way in France.
If KC were an American fanbase, they would've already had their own Columbine event.
I bet they would calm down after that happened.
Honestly if they pay for a ticket and go to the event who the fuck cares if they choose to boo whoever the fuck they want? Like what is the issue here?
I never fully understood how mentally soft the competitive gaming community is until this clip where a bunch of grown men are sharing their feelings and throwing tantrums over booing from a competitors fan base... I grew up playing real sports and we got booed getting off the bus for middle school football games and once I got to high school football there would be parents booing us from the stands
The guy saying kc fans are "badly painted" lmao
These typa fans think it's fine to just say the most vile shit and are surprised nobody likes them. Yes we are aware that not all kcorp fans are like that, but when your community is known to everyone as a flaming pile of garbage and a lot of the fanbase actively encourages these toxic people and this "us vs them" mentality, not condemning the ones that are toxic and even doubling down the toxicity just because you feel the need to defend your own fandom to feel like a real fan, then you aren't changing anybody's minds anytime soon.
Hold people accountable rather than defending them. The joke's not only a joke when the guy who said the joke is known to be a toxic fuck and what's worse is that they're known in the community and so much kcorp fans are defending them and saying the most vile shit to Caedrel through the replies and qrts.
"....and now we're back to T1-HLE" lmao 😂
Dude i would just argue that its because you are not used to the ultras spirit that exists in football for example (at least in europe or south america for example) >> everything for the club and the rest of the world is an opp. Although most of KC fans are not lunatics, and when Lyncas took that wave of hatred a lot of KC fans were outraged so, please hold your horses.
In ESports you are too used to a calm envirnment of geeks (i am a geek btw ngl), being French i would say this though > our fans need and trully need to learn self restraint, and respect if we ccompare them to Korean fans who are mental for their teams but stay very respectful andyway.
Last point, s a KC fan i definitley condemn the threats you were a victim of man, trully, amd i think KC is putting things in place to severely punish the psychos going too far.
Bro caedrel is literally the least inflammatory twitch streamer for league of legends pro play. Why do these ckorp fans think he has that many viewers? Its actually such a joke
yea trying to paint fucking caedrel as a toxic hater from all people is beyond insane. if you at least try to paint dom as a super toxic hater, that could at least make some sort of sense. but caedrel? nah theyre just mentally ill
French people wondering why they are hated.
Ppl are too comfortable on the internet
I think if u tweet a threat - the police should find out where it was posted from and gg go to jail or do community service
death threats and trucks are disguting I agree, at least T1 fans dont go and flame other teams and they only act if someone flames the team or the players. I'm a T1 fan myself and I really like when dom speaks about them seriously but sadly since there is this situation about him hating T1, some T1 fans misunderstand (i have to say he is really annoying when he talks about T1 to trigger T1 fans tho).
anyway comparing T1 fans with KC fans is too much imho, KC fans are the worst fanbase I've seen in esport. (don't get me wrong, the T1 fanbase who sends trucks is bad too)
You should be allowed to boo unless you ended 10th place 2 times in LEC. G2 fans have a rivalry with T1 if anything, they can boo (which they don't), not a 0 history, 0 legacy esports team like KC.
English and French hating each other is nothing new.
Centuries year old beef
except its french flaming all of europe cause theyre butthurt their team is shit
The French hate everyone, even each-other. Universal hate is a part of the French identity.
It's funny that they expect everyone to know it was "just a joke" when they literally have booed faker in the past. I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be a joke if there wasn't an outrage about it.
I don't hate kc because they're french, I hate french because of KC.
"its cause you hate french people"
also them: giving people a reason to hate french people
Since you made a comparison with football fans, eSports fans are camomile in that regard.
First I been a football fan for 23 years now. I have been cheering for my team since the age of 6. The fan base of my team is more toxic toward their own players than other teams. Booing on stadium is a common occurrence. And it should not get anyone banned. Why? Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the most influential players in history, one of the best football players in history, top goalscorer of all time, got booed by his own fans for the poor performances. It is normal to get booed, and it's normal to get cheered on. No matter who you are. The only thing that I find disgusting is the booing of national hymns before the national matches. That's just unsportsmanlike and disgusting behaviour of any fan base.
But there are fan base that everyone really hates. And that's simply a Barcelona fan base. Literally, no one likes them due to their own delusional takes, hate, and blindsided trust. To them, Barcelona is not a club but religion. When you get down to it, it is so disgusting and hypocritical that you don't even take them seriously anymore and just leave them be in their own little asylum. KC fans are Barcelona fans of esports. Or even better, to make it more French, PSG ultras.
Football also had problems with ultras and hooligans. And have it to this day. Fans killing each other due to a difference of opinion. Players being harassed, huge violence acts before, during, and after the game. Arranged fights of fans in the cities, stadium, and even on highways. No one is safe. Fans, players, managers.
And how did football deal with it? Jail, sanctions for the clubs, banning fans, etc. But Esports is too young for that. None got hurt yet.
When it comes to KC, I haven't seen much of them since I'm a G2 fan, and G2 marketing and social media are too good at their job. Also, Caedral and Dom are the only content creators I watch from the whole league community. Dom has his own opinion, Caedral, The rat king is probably most objective in this whole community, unless it is TheShy. KC fans are not hated because they are French. French are hated by whole Europe, including the French themselves. KC fans are hated because they are acting like spoiled children throwing tantrums and bad jokes all around, expecting to be praised and loved. Being French just makes the stereotype of the French fit in more with the fans.
AND if you want to deal with them, you either make draconian measures at the start (now) or after someone get hurt when it is too late. But ultras will always be ultras.
That's the exact problem when you have ultra supporters somewhere where they don't belong...
Kcorps being cringe aside, why does caedrel take every milk toast reddit opinion and roll with it in everyway situation recently
He's done it for years
Generally when he goes on a rant about something, it’s not him seeing it once or twice but constantly to the point of feeling the need to address it, which he said in his clip addressing it.
@@animeanime7849 Not just in this situation, look at his laughable clearly appealing to reddit take on Bardinette for example
Tbf I never watched him I genuinely thought he was his own content creator not reddit: the youtuber
@@terribleplayer2526 he's not reddit the youtuber. He has a big reddit community, he's communicating with his fans.
is anyone on kc's side that's not a kc fan
so KC is just french TSM, but worse. got it.
14:35 well u legit admitted the original tweet caedral responded to was a joke so technically he is creating drama